[00:03] <Riddell> manchicken: jontheenchidna and apol but neither are here just now
[00:05] <manchicken> Riddell: That doesn't help me :)
[00:05] <manchicken> heh
[00:06] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm trying to figure out what dbus is doing with this, but I'm not familiar with dbus.
[01:30] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1194501] [ 4.8 Linaro regression] ICE on gcc-4.8 building kde4libs @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194501 (by Scott Kitterman)
[07:26] <Riddell> good morning Kubuntu
[07:29] <Noskcaj> Maybe you should setup kubotu so it says hello back. ;)
[07:29] <kubotu> hi, Noskcaj!
[07:29] <Noskcaj> lol
[07:30] <Riddell> voila
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:35] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[13:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: regarding copy-package, a suite is the release name?
[13:38] <shadeslayer> or the suite is 'main'
[13:40] <shadeslayer> ah nvm
[13:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: copy-package -p kubuntu-ppa --ppa-name staging -d ubuntu -s quantal -c main --to-ppa kubuntu-ppa --to-ppa-name=beta -n doesn't seem to work :/
[13:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: why that's a fun error code
[13:50] <shadeslayer> for those who don't know, he's running XMir and the error code that copy-package spits out is "Cannot connect to X Server"
[13:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: no way to specify all packages?
[13:55] <yofel> didn't see one
[13:56] <shadeslayer> where's kopy-package? was it removed?
[13:56] <yofel> kopypackages is in kubuntu-dev-tools
[14:45] <shadeslayer> yofel: is it just me or did libkipi 4.10.4 not get released?
[14:46] <yofel> should be at 4.10.2
[14:46] <yofel> 4.10.4 was saucy-only
[14:48] <shadeslayer> hm?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: I see kde4libs 4.10.4 in raring?
[14:50] <yofel> what does kdelibs have to do with libkipi?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> no, I'm saying that did not get uploaded with the rest of KDE SC?
[14:52] <yofel> nope
[14:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: why?
[14:53] <yofel> 0 changes since .2
[14:54] <shadeslayer> aha
[14:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: just seemed a bit weird to me due to version mismatch
[14:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: there's some magic in the backport script to check if anything actually got changed
[14:55] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:55] <shadeslayer> just not sure if that's a good idea, you have to keep track of why that package wasn't uploaded
[14:56] <yofel> really?
[14:57] <yofel> kubuntu-initial-upload's --sru mode checks for diff, any code and translation changes automatically mark a package for update, for the rest the script stops and shows you the diff
[14:57] <yofel> if there's no diff at all the package is skipped
[15:08] <shadeslayer> roger
[15:48] <moray33_> Can I make here some suggestions about packages I think should be includede in next versions of Kubuntu? And a couple of configurations.
[15:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: your kdevelop fix is waiting on armjf
[15:49] <yofel> brrrr
[15:50] <shadeslayer> okteta even
[15:50] <shadeslayer> moray33_: sure
[15:51] <shadeslayer> moray33_: we'll take them into consideration depending on licensing, disk size, and if it's worthwhile to have them
[15:51]  * apachelogger_ notes that the mailing list may be more appropriate
[15:52] <moray33_> icedtea-plugin, p7zip-full, kdeplasma-addons, unrar-free, sweeper, kde-config-grub2. Also, it would be nice kdegraphics-thumbnailers, kffmpegthumbnailer, kde-thumbnailer-openoffice and having those previous enabled in Dolphin. having double click in dolphin, and the Kubuntu icon the app launcher (I know this is not important but it would make Kubuntu less generic). Last, but not least, having the UFW KControl Module at least 
[15:52] <moray33_> available in the repositories...
[15:52] <shadeslayer> icedtea-plugin : java? not sure 
[15:52] <shadeslayer> kdeplasma-addons is too bug
[15:52] <shadeslayer> *big
[15:53] <shadeslayer> kffmpegthumbnailer uses ffmpeg probably, so can't be shipped afaik
[15:53] <apachelogger_> more importantly we don't have thumbnailing on by default
[15:53] <shadeslayer> true ^^
[15:53] <shadeslayer> bbiab, need to switch rooms
[15:54] <apachelogger_> moray33_: what's the rationale for sweeper?
[15:55] <moray33_> I think it's handy to have a cleaner
[15:55] <moray33_> it's not the most important thing, though
[15:56] <apachelogger_> right
[15:56] <moray33_> icedtea-plugin should be a dependency of open-jre at least. Some users can install java but when trying to use it in a browser they can't (it happened to me)
[15:56] <apachelogger_> grub2 we actually had on the ISO for a while, not sure why it got dropped but I seem to recall it having issues and blasting the user's config into oblivion
[15:56] <moray33_> buy maybe it's not up to you
[15:56] <apachelogger_> or perhaps it was decided that messing with your grub config is not something we encourage people to do
[15:57] <apachelogger_> yeah, icdetea-plugin may actually be a candidate for on-the-fly installation
[15:58] <moray33_> can you do something about it?
[15:58] <apachelogger_> in some capacity (that is to say: for rekonq we can)
[15:59] <moray33_> it couldn't be masked as dependency of open-jre?
[16:00] <moray33_> marked
[16:00] <apachelogger_> terribly unlikley, we are not maintaining the openjdk  package though so I wouldn't really know
[16:01] <moray33_> sould I file a bug asking for it then?
[16:01] <moray33_> should
[16:01] <apachelogger_> yeah
[16:02] <moray33_> ok, I'll do it later
[16:02] <apachelogger_> or try to find someone in #ubuntu-devel to discuss that with
[16:03] <moray33_> what about the rest of the suggestions?
[16:06] <shadeslayer> moray33_: we have Kubuntu Developer summit on Monday
[16:06] <apachelogger_> double click and kubuntu icon are not going to happen. we have a pending task to investigate UFW UI options for 13.10. unrar/p7 IIRC have legal implications (again on-the-fly installation may be an option)
[16:06] <shadeslayer> maybe you can join us and discuss?
[16:06] <apachelogger_> thumbnailing in dolphin is also not going to happen (previously discusseD)
[16:08] <moray33_> how does it goes (Kubuntu Developer summit)?
[16:08] <moray33_> why not double click?
[16:08] <moray33_> and Kubuntu icon?
[16:09] <apachelogger_> double click: upstream design/experience decision (i.e. KDE) and many times over discussed there
[16:09] <apachelogger_> kubuntu icon: many times discussed... result is that you use a KDE product so the KDE branding ought to be preserved
[16:10] <moray33_> Ok, I don't agree with the decission about the double click, but I think I can't do anything about it
[16:10] <moray33_> and the UFW KControl Module?
[16:11] <apachelogger_> https://trello.com/c/OUuTZcud
[16:15] <moray33_> is this from two years ago? why UFW KControl Module has shitty UI? I've always liked it. And it's better than having nothing...
[16:16] <moray33_> of from past may?
[16:16] <apachelogger_> what do I know, that's why there is a task for it....
[16:17] <apachelogger_> there are no open ports by default, so a firewall actually has next to no value on a standard setup
[16:21] <moray33_> yes, but it you want to install it, you don't have any Qt/KDE in the repositories. You have to install gufw or compile kcm-ufw.
[16:22] <apachelogger_> ah, packaging, yeah I guess that would be an optionj
[16:22] <apachelogger_> assuming it works and is maintained
[16:23] <moray33_> works for me
[16:27] <moray33_> so, will you take in consideration make it available in the repositories?
[16:34] <apachelogger_> moray33_: yah
[16:35] <moray33_> great! by the way, I just remembered something
[16:36] <shadeslayer> yofel:  marble-plugins : Depends: libqextserialport1 (>= 1.2.0~beta2) but it is not installable
[16:37] <shadeslayer> !info libqextserialport1
[16:37] <shadeslayer> !info libqextserialport1 raring
[16:37] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:37] <shadeslayer> uh
[16:37] <yofel> it should be in backports
[16:37] <shadeslayer> bah
[16:39] <shadeslayer> someone needs to do a release announcement btw
[16:39] <shadeslayer> 4.10.90 for quantal
[16:40] <shadeslayer> needs kubuntu-ppa/beta and kubuntu-ppa/backports
[16:40] <moray33_> I filed a bug sometime ago about jockey-kde not showing number versions but they said jockey-kde is not maintained and you can handle privative drivers from software-properties... I think it's wrong, I know in software-properties-gtk you can, but I don't have that tab in the kde version...
[16:42] <moray33_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/1078379
[17:00] <moray33_> hello?
[19:32] <Quintasan> \o
[19:44] <shadeslayer> *grumble*
[20:31] <yofel> *yawn*
[20:45] <yofel> shadeslayer: yay, kdevelop fixed at least
[20:56] <shadeslayer> right :)
[22:49] <Riddell> Kubuntu champagne at Akademy https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-xvFwDx8QDr0/UeFHDpVZf5I/AAAAAAAAOtg/X2tsUhpo4ho/w843-h562-no/IMG_6625_v1.JPG
[22:50] <ScottK> Who's the angry guy on the right?
[22:51] <Riddell> that is the awesome yofel!
[22:51] <Riddell> http://blogs.kde.org/2013/07/14/akademy-2013-day-2-photos
[22:52] <ScottK> Ah.
[22:54] <ScottK> Then who's the one in the middle?
[22:58] <Riddell> ah that's vHanda, not directly kubuntu then
[23:01] <ScottK> Thanks.
[23:01] <ScottK> But he hangs out here, so we'll take him.
[23:02] <Riddell> yeah
[23:03] <Riddell> especially since he's now the award winning vHanda 
[23:03] <vHanda> heh. I did run Kubuntu for 2-3 years
[23:03] <vHanda> well, maybe just 2