| shawnb | So I'm bazaar branching the documentation of natty and precise; I'm going to be asking a few questions but I'll look through these documents first | 00:37 |
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| Unit193 | Natty? | 00:38 |
| knome | shawnb, don't be fooled by the command saying natty. it's called that because the precise docs are essentially natty docs with s/11.04/12.04/ | 00:39 |
| knome | (11.10 actually, so we failed even that) | 00:39 |
| shawnb | yeah oneiric; I was going through the mailing list information today; so was 12.04's documentation updated at all? or is it just missing a few items? | 00:40 |
| shawnb | got it knome | 00:40 |
| knome | the branch we're working with now is copied from 13.10 | 00:41 |
| knome | the -old branch is basically what was the documentation for 11.04 | 00:41 |
| knome | that's purely for reference | 00:42 |
| shawnb | so we're trying to do 12.04.2's right? we're not working on 13.10s | 00:42 |
| knome | yes, we're trying to get the "precise" branch to match the situation in 12.04.2 | 00:43 |
| knome | but we've taken the 13.10 docs branch, because that's much better than the old docs | 00:44 |
| shawnb | makes sense | 00:44 |
| shawnb | I'm reading through the new documentation (I compiled it to read through it easier); and I was wondering if we could do apt links for software we reference to automatically install things for the user like omgubuntu does | 01:08 |
| knome | that would be something for the development (13.10) branch, and we'd have to see how we can handle apt:-links automatically | 01:09 |
| knome | i don't think we're doing that currently by default | 01:09 |
| shawnb | apt://minitube-ubuntu - that's how omgubuntu does it off their site | 01:09 |
| knome | shawnb, that opens a "choose an application" window, and there isn't any applications that are handling those links | 01:10 |
| shawnb | odd I use chrome and it prompts me to run xdg-open | 01:10 |
| knome | right, that works | 01:11 |
| Unit193 | Do you have apturl-gtk? | 01:11 |
| knome | firefox didn't propose that, but running 'xdg-open apt://appname' worked | 01:11 |
| shawnb | mine prompted to open ubuntu software centre - uh.. not sure lemme check | 01:11 |
| Unit193 | Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-usb, lubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-gnome-desktop | 01:12 |
| shawnb | no apturl isn't | 01:12 |
| knome | Unit193, i've a pretty default installation, and i've definitely installed anything that would open apt://-links, so there needs to be some magic | 01:13 |
| Unit193 | apturl-common is installed, but doesn't help me, maybe USC is required? | 01:14 |
| shawnb | probably USC | 01:15 |
| shawnb | I'm torrenting a xubuntu 12.04.2 iso I can check and see if it works in that | 01:15 |
| shawnb | I can confirm in a default install of Xubuntu 12.04.2 it does prompt to launch Ubuntu Software Center when clicking on apt links | 01:29 |
| Unit193 | Well alright. | 01:30 |
| knome | i mean, gweh | 01:30 |
| knome | sure, we could do that | 01:30 |
| knome | but rather than using our limited time on that, let's focus on other things which need reworking | 01:31 |
| knome | if we end up having time, sure, we can do that as well | 01:31 |
| knome | i would say we would need to test the apt://-links though. | 01:31 |
| knome | and that's the reason why i'm not sure about that | 01:31 |
| knome | shawnb, you missed at least two of my messages, let me repaste: | 01:33 |
| knome | 04:31 knome: i would say we would need to test the apt://-links though. | 01:33 |
| knome | 04:31 knome: and that's the reason why i'm not sure about that | 01:33 |
| knome | (yes, the timestamp is to indicate that it is 4:30am here) | 01:33 |
| shawnb | dang need to do my updates; my audio crashed my system - oh wow 4:30am | 01:33 |
| shawnb | yeah like I said in the default install it does open USC; that's a new fresh install of xubuntu 12.04.2 | 01:33 |
| shawnb | *prompt for install via USC | 01:34 |
| knome | yup, but we still should smoketest that change | 01:35 |
| shawnb | true | 01:35 |
| knome | and we might be a bit too tight on time for that for the SRU | 01:35 |
| knome | depends so much how the rest of the stuff comes along | 01:35 |
| shawnb | absolutely; it'd be an idea to keep for future releases though | 01:37 |
| knome | yup, we can work on that for the 13.10 docs | 01:37 |
| knome | for those, we have a looser schedule | 01:37 |
| knome | woo! | 01:41 |
| knome | http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-flavor-xubuntu.html | 01:41 |
| Unit193 | You renamed it. | 01:44 |
| knome | yeah, i was told it wasn't showing up because of that | 01:45 |
| knome | the topic blueprints used to be topic-raring-* though, so... | 01:45 |
| shawnb | knome - how would you like me to go about the documentation changes - put them in a document and mail it to the mailing list or discuss them on here? | 01:48 |
| knome | shawnb, the optimal way would be merge proposals | 01:49 |
| knome | shawnb, want me to go through that now? :) | 01:49 |
| shawnb | yes that would be great | 01:50 |
| knome | okay | 01:50 |
| knome | so how familiar were you with bzr? | 01:50 |
| shawnb | I've used it in the past to download packages like you do with git for compilation | 01:50 |
| shawnb | I haven't committed any changes or anything like that | 01:51 |
| knome | ok | 01:51 |
| knome | so let's assume you have branched the docs and done some changes | 01:51 |
| knome | then you would want to commit and push it. commit happens locally, pushing... pushes the code online | 01:52 |
| knome | so first, the commit: | 01:52 |
| knome | bzr commit | 01:52 |
| knome | that will open you a text editor where you should write the commit message | 01:52 |
| shawnb | anything specific e.g. chapter 6 where it says xyz changed line ____ to ____ | 01:53 |
| knome | no, you don't need to be that specific | 01:53 |
| knome | more in the lines of: | 01:53 |
| shawnb | quick question, are we using the old documentation interface (natty/oneric) to update or the new one (precise) | 01:54 |
| knome | "Reviewed chapter 6, updated application names and removed a mention of XYZ, which doesn't exist in 12.04" | 01:54 |
| knome | the new one | 01:54 |
| shawnb | ok, thank you | 01:55 |
| knome | so basically, a commit message is a descriptive but brief comment about the changes you've made | 01:55 |
| knome | if you write a good one, we can repurpose that in the changelog, which is awesome | 01:55 |
| shawnb | do you commit per change or do all the changes then commit? | 01:55 |
| Unit193 | You may want to bzr whoami first. | 01:56 |
| knome | use common sense: try to group meaningful subgroups into commits | 01:56 |
| knome | eg. committing every spelling error fix is bad | 01:57 |
| knome | otoh, totally rewriting a few sections and doing one commit is bad as well | 01:57 |
| shawnb | bzr whoami - Shawn Barnes <slooksterpsv@gmail.com> | 01:58 |
| knome | yup, that looks good | 01:58 |
| knome | (let's see if you also need to do other things...) | 01:58 |
| shawnb | sections meaning chapters or sections meaning pieces of the chapter | 01:58 |
| knome | anyway, once you've committed, you want to push | 01:58 |
| knome | sections meaning chapters :) | 01:58 |
| knome | as i said, just use common sense | 01:59 |
| knome | it's humans who review it anyway, so anything that you think is sensible bunch of changes is probably fine | 01:59 |
| knome | so once you've committed once or twice or how many times you need to, type: | 02:00 |
| knome | bzr push | 02:00 |
| knome | ...and forget that. | 02:00 |
| knome | you will need to specify a different push location, so: | 02:00 |
| knome | bzr push lp:~yourlpnick/xubuntu-docs/precise-branchname | 02:00 |
| knome | you can do a test commit/push now so we can go through it | 02:01 |
| knome | it can be anything, even just something silly. | 02:01 |
| shawnb | so bzr push lp:~slooksterpsv/xubuntu-docs/precise-???? | 02:01 |
| knome | yup | 02:01 |
| shawnb | nothing where the ??? is right? | 02:02 |
| shawnb | or branch | 02:02 |
| knome | and the complete branchname could be for example precise-chapter6 | 02:02 |
| knome | or something descriptive | 02:02 |
| knome | it doesn't really matter what it is - you will need to enter something | 02:03 |
| shawnb | ok so it'll create a branch via my name for that | 02:03 |
| knome | yes | 02:03 |
| knome | so go ahead and change something, then bzr commit and bzr push | 02:04 |
| knome | then we'll go through what that does and how you'd do the actual merge proposal | 02:04 |
| shawnb | ok I compiled the docs is that going to be a problem when I try the push? | 02:05 |
| knome | no, the built docs are ignored | 02:05 |
| knome | (there's a line in .bzrignore for that) | 02:05 |
| shawnb | bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/shawn/Xubuntu Community/Documentation/". | 02:06 |
| knome | right. you need to be in the xubuntu-docs-precise directory | 02:07 |
| shawnb | oh ok | 02:07 |
| knome | or whatever your branch directory is | 02:07 |
| knome | same with bzr commit and push | 02:07 |
| shawnb | ok so it's finding revisions and uploading | 02:08 |
| knome | great! | 02:08 |
| shawnb | oops I did push not commit | 02:08 |
| shawnb | commit first then push right? | 02:08 |
| knome | yep | 02:09 |
| shawnb | can I delete this branch? | 02:10 |
| knome | let's do the fake merge request first | 02:10 |
| knome | as you probably noticed, it appeared in https://code.launchpad.net/~slooksterpsv | 02:11 |
| knome | on https://code.launchpad.net/~slooksterpsv/xubuntu-docs/precise-testpush, you have a link that says "propose for merging" | 02:11 |
| knome | click that | 02:11 |
| shawnb | ok | 02:11 |
| knome | the target branch for the precise docs is: lp:xubuntu-docs/precise | 02:11 |
| knome | you'll have to enter that manually | 02:11 |
| shawnb | ok | 02:12 |
| knome | (or click choose, but you'll end up writing almost as much) | 02:12 |
| shawnb | haha yeah | 02:12 |
| knome | then in the description field you can write a description of *all* the commits you did | 02:12 |
| knome | i would be fine if that spot mentioned which chapters you touched. | 02:12 |
| knome | you can leave the reviewer empty | 02:13 |
| shawnb | okay | 02:14 |
| knome | i'll catch the xubuntu merge proposals anyway, and that leaves it open for others if they have time | 02:14 |
| knome | then just click propose merge | 02:14 |
| shawnb | you want me to click propose merge now? | 02:14 |
| knome | (this time, add knome as the reviewer, and click propose merge now) | 02:14 |
| shawnb | *do you - wow I can't type today; | 02:14 |
| knome | (so we won't email other people) | 02:14 |
| shawnb | any extra commit messages or that | 02:15 |
| knome | nope, you can always leave the advanced stuff as they are | 02:15 |
| shawnb | alrighty; now can I delete the merge and branch lol | 02:16 |
| knome | great, so now https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/xubuntu-docs/precise tells me there are 2 branches proposed | 02:16 |
| knome | and your merge proposal is at: https://code.launchpad.net/~slooksterpsv/xubuntu-docs/precise-testpush/+merge/174595 | 02:16 |
| knome | that page will show everybody the diff | 02:16 |
| knome | (nothing in this case, since you didn't change anything | 02:17 |
| shawnb | oh ok | 02:17 |
| knome | and the fantastic thing | 02:17 |
| knome | after we've reviewed that, it's super easy to merge into the actual documentation | 02:17 |
| knome | so by doing the merge request, you help us merging things in the docs | 02:17 |
| knome | rather than sending documents where we need to see what's changed etc | 02:18 |
| shawnb | awesome; that makes it a lot easier than I thought it would be | 02:18 |
| knome | with MP's, everything is in the docbook format so we don't need to copypaste anything | 02:18 |
| knome | (and you can *now* delete the branch :)) | 02:18 |
| shawnb | that's awesome | 02:18 |
| knome | (i just deleted the MP) | 02:18 |
| shawnb | awesome I delete the branch | 02:19 |
| knome | great | 02:19 |
| knome | so now you know how to do a merge proposal | 02:19 |
| knome | before you start working on anything, | 02:19 |
| shawnb | yay I'm excited that's awesome | 02:19 |
| knome | you might want to email the mailing list telling you're working on X | 02:20 |
| knome | to cooperate and make sure nobody else is doing the same | 02:20 |
| shawnb | ok I'll start small for now till I get the hang of things | 02:20 |
| knome | but other than that, there's no limits | 02:20 |
| knome | the documentation should have pretty good examples of all docbook markup you might need | 02:20 |
| knome | so just look at the other files | 02:20 |
| shawnb | yeah I was looking through a lot of it earlier today and its just like you said xml | 02:21 |
| knome | if you think you need something that's not done yet - think again - and if you still insist - ask other first :) | 02:21 |
| knome | *others | 02:21 |
| knome | i pretty much used docbook to its limits | 02:21 |
| knome | so it's possible there just isn't a better way to do something | 02:21 |
| knome | if you end up needing to add chapters | 02:22 |
| knome | you can just follow the example in the index file and before committing, run 'bzr add .' (which adds all new files into your branch) | 02:23 |
| knome | ...or you can ask me to lay the groundwork for you | 02:23 |
| knome | does that all make sense to you or would you like to ask something? | 02:31 |
| knome | huhu, Unit193 reconnecting | 04:02 |
| Unit193 | Figured I'd do so since things are slow, and it was bugging me. :P I've been checking the blueprints, and only thing I can see that I could technically do is review of docs (again.) :/ | 04:03 |
| knome | is there something else you could do if somebody helped you with it? | 04:04 |
| knome | also, there are testcases, which are not exactly documentation... | 04:04 |
| knome | and what about helping out with the flyer content? (i know, that's boring writing too...) | 04:05 |
| knome | and i don't think it's mentioned on the blueprints | 04:06 |
| knome | tbh, we don't have too many things in there | 04:07 |
| knome | if you filed those bugs i've said "file and let's get them sorted", please link them to -development blueprint | 04:07 |
| Unit193 | I had thought they were wiki'd, but can't find it. Some are already looked at, and jockey was part of it. I'm supposed to be tracking libdvdcss-{pgk,installer}, and nothing new there for a while now. | 04:20 |
| knome | mhm | 04:20 |
| Unit193 | (Also did some grepping.) | 04:20 |
| knome | what about the popup menu thingy? | 04:20 |
| Unit193 | Oh, wasn't thinking that one, was more a RFC. :P | 04:20 |
| knome | start thinking | 04:23 |
| Unit193 | As in, if at least one other person thinks it's a good idea I could try a merge proposal. | 04:23 |
| knome | you've done well with speaking up (and in correct channels too), now time to start using more of the brain ;) | 04:23 |
| Unit193 | Hah, well just need to make sure it's not a hair brain idea. Checking about pulling an older jockey.desktop file too. | 04:24 |
| knome | ah, yes, that one too | 04:25 |
| Unit193 | Natty didn't do translations, so it'd seem? http://paste.openstack.org/show/Atyf2PvRuhHTd1wSRNc8/ | 04:30 |
| knome | hmm. | 04:30 |
| knome | apparently not | 04:31 |
| Unit193 | http://pastebin.com/hqRBUCK7 from updated natty. | 04:31 |
| Unit193 | xubuntu-icon-theme still carries the icon, BTW. | 04:32 |
| knome | right | 04:32 |
| Unit193 | And on another note: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bugs?field.tag=entering-saucy we need to prep anything for that? | 04:33 |
| knome | umpf | 04:33 |
| knome | no idea | 04:33 |
| shawnb | thank you knome - I'll start working on this asap; I had a family thing come up due to having a viewing and funeral in the next 2 days so that's why I disappeared | 06:08 |
| knome | shawnb, no problem | 06:11 |
| knome | all the best with those | 06:11 |
| pleia2 | knome: saturday is my day off :) (I was out all day, will be back in my AM) | 06:12 |
| knome | pleia2, no problemo | 06:12 |
| knome | pleia2, didn't remember you had such things, you used to work all days like a mad one :P | 06:12 |
| knome | pleia2, good night! | 06:13 |
| * pleia2 has been trying to take 1 per week ;) | 06:13 | |
| pleia2 | gian1: btw, the only invite I have on deviantart is from 2 days ago and it has expired | 06:14 |
| knome | tabfail | 06:15 |
| pleia2 | haha, oops | 06:15 |
| knome | and yeah, i fully support people taking days off and other breaks | 06:15 |
| pleia2 | I am too tired | 06:15 |
| pleia2 | gridcube isn't here | 06:15 |
| knome | YOU? | 06:15 |
| pleia2 | gian1: sorry :) | 06:15 |
| knome | it's 9am+ | 06:15 |
| knome | and i haven't slept for a minute | 06:15 |
| pleia2 | crazy person | 06:15 |
| knome | i just had breakfast and now there's some coffee | 06:16 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 06:16 |
| knome | i usually do a few allnighters per year | 06:16 |
| knome | planned or unplanned.. | 06:16 |
| pleia2 | my brain turns to mush when I don't sleep | 06:17 |
| knome | i've been filling crosswords and stuff like that :P | 06:17 |
| pleia2 | :) | 06:17 |
| knome | so apparently mine behaves the other way | 06:17 |
| pleia2 | alright, sleepies time for me | 06:17 |
| pleia2 | good luck ;) | 06:17 |
| knome | nighty night! | 06:17 |
| Noskcaj | Can someone have a look at the new xfce4-indicator-plugin's patches? i think the patch is unnecessary | 06:59 |
| knome | which patch | 07:00 |
| Noskcaj | debian/patches/migrate-xfcerc-xfconf.patch: Handle the blacklist migration to Xfconf. | 07:08 |
| Noskcaj | either unnecessary or broken | 07:08 |
| knome | morning elfy | 07:11 |
| elfy | hi knome | 07:12 |
| elfy | no good tellin Unit193 to talk to forestpiskie - he has Unit193 on /ignore or did I mean /what? | 07:13 |
| knome | heh | 07:14 |
| elfy | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-23296285 | 07:16 |
| elfy | about 40 seconds in - that'd be noisy ... | 07:16 |
| knome | huhu | 07:18 |
| elfy | d'oh thought this was the offtopic channel ... | 07:20 |
| Noskcaj | knome, the conflict (and the area the patch affects) is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/5873350/ and t | 07:23 |
| Noskcaj | elfy, i can't help but feel the first two tests in XFCEDisplay are slightly redundant | 07:32 |
| elfy | open and close ones? I feel the same - but we need to test it works I guess | 07:33 |
| elfy | we're supposed to be testing it - not testing what we think we should be testing | 07:33 |
| elfy | I feel that the parole one shouldn't rely on someone having an active internet connection | 07:34 |
| Noskcaj | Not the open/close per-se, more the fact that after that, you explicitly tests opening it | 07:35 |
| Noskcaj | And near the very bottom, you seem to have repeated part | 07:35 |
| elfy | just comment on it - I'm not looking at it or pretty much anything at all today :) | 07:36 |
| Noskcaj | I agree that parole should need a connection, but we have no sample media | 07:36 |
| Noskcaj | I'll fix it and merge, it's mostly just removing a few redundant/repeated parts | 07:36 |
| elfy | don't do that - just comment - I'll fix it tomorrow | 07:37 |
| elfy | Noskcaj: don't merge it either - I need to practise that - comment and I'll fix when it's approved I'll do the merge | 07:37 |
| Noskcaj | oh, you have merge rights now? | 07:38 |
| elfy | have had for ages - just never done it - I'm wanting to keep on top of our tests so I know where we are | 07:38 |
| Noskcaj | I've reviewed it, back to pretending i understand package merging | 07:43 |
| elfy | k | 07:44 |
| elfy | I'll sort it out tomorrow | 07:44 |
| pleia2 | hm, still no gridcube | 17:15 |
| elfy | interwebs aren't fun sometimes :( | 17:23 |
| Unit193 | knome: No idea if I did the translations thing right, and guessing not: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/+junk/xubuntu-default-settings | 19:55 |
| Unit193 | (http://paste.openstack.org/show/1JO21NRVd2QISpbuWSrW/) | 19:56 |
| Unit193 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/408 using that as a base. | 19:57 |
| Noskcaj | Is anyone willing to help merge the latest xfce4-indicator-plugin? | 23:18 |
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