| === Guest84217 is now known as jalcine | ||
| === jono is now known as Guest74174 | ||
| shrinivasan | hello all | 05:11 |
|---|---|---|
| shrinivasan | good morning | 05:11 |
| Noskcaj | afternoon shrinivasan | 05:22 |
| === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger | ||
| apachelogger | yofel: mumble doesn't wanna connect :( | 08:04 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: still being set up here | 08:06 |
| Riddell | but the server should be up | 08:06 |
| Riddell | yofel: shadeslayer: ping? | 08:06 |
| jussi | address was? | 08:06 |
| Riddell | kyofel.dyndns.org | 08:08 |
| Riddell | I can connect to kyofel.dyndns.org | 08:08 |
| jussi | and my mumble freezes... cant get anywhere :( | 08:10 |
| jussi | grrr | 08:10 |
| Riddell | we're on the move, back in 15 mins | 08:11 |
| ahoneybun | hello all | 08:12 |
| jussi | it appears to have connected... | 08:13 |
| jussi | but no one is there :) | 08:20 |
| Riddell | jussi: not see me? | 08:22 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: we're still setting up | 08:23 |
| jussi | nope, but Harald has joined | 08:23 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: ok just saying hi lol | 08:24 |
| jussi | now I see people | 08:24 |
| jussi | that was Jon | 08:24 |
| jussi | but I guess people not seeing me ? | 08:24 |
| Riddell | jussi: I see you | 08:25 |
| Riddell | why can't we speak? | 08:25 |
| Riddell | do we need to make a new room? | 08:25 |
| jussi | I mean hear me | 08:25 |
| jussi | Riddell: I heard you before | 08:25 |
| Riddell | lips don't go red | 08:25 |
| jussi | Harald does | 08:25 |
| jussi | we can hear you | 08:25 |
| jussi | Riddell: ! | 08:25 |
| jussi | yes | 08:25 |
| jussi | you are asking how mumble works and 42 | 08:25 |
| Riddell | jussi: can you hear me now | 08:26 |
| jussi | yes | 08:26 |
| jussi | yes | 08:26 |
| jussi | haha | 08:26 |
| jussi | you cant hear me though... ? | 08:26 |
| Riddell | jussi: can you hear valorie ? | 08:26 |
| jussi | yes | 08:26 |
| Riddell | cool! | 08:26 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: we can hear tecnical :P | 08:27 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: are you on mumble? | 08:28 |
| valorie | this is amazing | 08:28 |
| valorie | like the 21st century | 08:29 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: I don't know how to | 08:30 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: install mumble | 08:31 |
| Riddell | connect to kyofel.dyndns.org | 08:31 |
| Riddell | easy | 08:31 |
| ahoneybun | working on that now | 08:31 |
| apachelogger | yofel: mute | 08:32 |
| yofel | apachelogger: done | 08:33 |
| apachelogger | thx | 08:33 |
| Quintasan | argh | 08:35 |
| yofel | hi Quintasan | 08:36 |
| Quintasan | Hi | 08:36 |
| jussi | breaking up a bit... | 08:36 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: jussi has | 08:36 |
| jussi | can you hear me anymore? | 08:36 |
| Quintasan | since I'm at work I can't talk but I'm going to listen | 08:37 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: how do I know if you can hear me | 08:37 |
| ahoneybun | hey valorie | 08:37 |
| jussi | the stream is getting mixed up... :( | 08:37 |
| jussi | fades in and out | 08:37 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: can you hear us? | 08:38 |
| Quintasan | I think I can hear Harald laughing in the background | 08:38 |
| Quintasan | :DDD | 08:38 |
| jussi | Riddell: stream is broken | 08:38 |
| jussi | its fading in and out badly | 08:38 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: nope | 08:38 |
| Mamarok | btw, folks, you should get a grap on vHanda today, as Nepomuk currently doesn't work with 4.11 | 08:38 |
| Quintasan | lol | 08:38 |
| Quintasan | LOL | 08:38 |
| apachelogger | what you folks need is a guy working on multimedia | 08:38 |
| apachelogger | wake up shadeslayer :P | 08:39 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: valorie is talking on docs | 08:39 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: can you hear? | 08:39 |
| ahoneybun | no | 08:39 |
| ahoneybun | now I can, switched to webcam | 08:40 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: you can hear? | 08:40 |
| apachelogger | that's causing echo | 08:41 |
| Quintasan | aw shit | 08:41 |
| apachelogger | really bad | 08:41 |
| Quintasan | My ears | 08:41 |
| ahoneybun | what is the push to talk | 08:42 |
| ahoneybun | button | 08:42 |
| agateau | ahoneybun: you can define it in the config dialog iirc | 08:42 |
| jussi | ahoneybun: space usually, but configurable | 08:42 |
| agateau | might be right-ctrl by default | 08:42 |
| agateau | oh jussi is probably right | 08:42 |
| ahoneybun | anyone here me>? | 08:43 |
| jussi | ahoneybun: try again, I think I did | 08:44 |
| yofel | ahoneybun: we hear you, but the speakers in the room don't work quite yet | 08:44 |
| jussi | "its not you, its me" :P | 08:44 |
| yofel | ^^ | 08:44 |
| agateau | irc window is broadcasted on the screen, so if we can't hear you, we can at least read you | 08:46 |
| Quintasan | damn echo | 08:46 |
| valorie | yay, ahoneybun is talkin'! | 08:47 |
| valorie | good idea to id yourself when you speak | 08:47 |
| apachelogger | I think working together on stuff as a group is way more fun than working on it alone; go docs *team*! | 08:47 |
| valorie | indeed | 08:47 |
| apachelogger | docbook is not awful, xml is :P | 08:48 |
| Quintasan | That's agateau speaking, right? | 08:49 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: yesw | 08:49 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: yes | 08:49 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: I don't like talking over people lol | 08:49 |
| agateau | pandoc, if you don't know it: http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ | 08:50 |
| agateau | it even supports latex for martin :) | 08:51 |
| jussi | right, I got to run for a bit, back in a while | 08:53 |
| jussi | Ill leave me connect though - no sense breaking a good thing :D | 08:53 |
| apachelogger | someone hit shadeslayer on the head for being late plz :O | 08:55 |
| shadeslayer | Pft | 08:57 |
| Quintasan | sure | 08:57 |
| * Quintasan throws a brick at shade | 08:57 | |
| apachelogger | loadsa background noise | 08:57 |
| * Quintasan throws a brick at shadeslayer | 08:58 | |
| apachelogger | can't hear no nothing | 08:58 |
| agateau | apachelogger: not much was going on. Jonathan just started talking again | 08:58 |
| apachelogger | curious | 08:58 |
| agateau | apachelogger: can you hear valorie? | 08:59 |
| apachelogger | yah | 08:59 |
| valorie | {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to all of you not here | 09:00 |
| Quintasan | python is root of all evils | 09:05 |
| apachelogger | https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-saucy-salamander/518d39bc9433cf5507000173 | 09:06 |
| apachelogger | also python is awesome | 09:06 |
| shadeslayer | people are the root of all evil | 09:06 |
| apachelogger | volume control and such business is upstream (KDE)! | 09:07 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: ^^ | 09:08 |
| apachelogger | just setup mediawiki for the docs :P | 09:12 |
| soee | kde 4.11 RC 1 is skipped ? | 09:13 |
| agateau | apachelogger: yay for that | 09:13 |
| shadeslayer | soee: just busy at Akademy | 09:14 |
| shadeslayer | I can run the script | 09:14 |
| valorie | it's an idea, and we've thought about it | 09:14 |
| soee | shadeslayer, ok ;) | 09:14 |
| valorie | but I haven't heard that we have a sysadmin for our server? | 09:14 |
| valorie | I'm not doing that work.... | 09:14 |
| shadeslayer | likewise ^^ | 09:15 |
| valorie | this was my issue with us having our own server | 09:16 |
| valorie | servers without good sysadmins soon suck | 09:16 |
| apachelogger | so recurit one? :P | 09:19 |
| shadeslayer | recruiting is hard | 09:19 |
| shadeslayer | nominate yofel and be done with it | 09:19 |
| shadeslayer | s/nominate/assign/ | 09:19 |
| kubotu | shadeslayer meant: "assign yofel and be done with it" | 09:19 |
| david-ktp | recruiting is hard, conscripting is not. | 09:19 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 09:21 |
| * apachelogger is out of coffee :( | 09:21 | |
| shadeslayer | I've not had coffee at all :( | 09:23 |
| === vinay is now known as Guest33021 | ||
| apachelogger | stop whining, you were late..... | 09:23 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: thanks, bye! | 09:24 |
| ahoneybun | it was fun guys | 09:25 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: I'm running the RC1 script btw | 09:27 |
| apachelogger | 2.8 is prerelease anyway :P | 09:27 |
| apachelogger | informal test reports are impossible to triage | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | lacks background and envrionmental information and whatnot | 09:32 |
| apachelogger | they basically amount to "amarok is not working" | 09:32 |
| apachelogger | http://community.kde.org/Phonon/QA | 09:33 |
| apachelogger | :P | 09:33 |
| david-ktp | we should link all of these upstream... | 09:33 |
| apachelogger | what we need is an upstream database for testing procedures and whatnot | 09:33 |
| david-ktp | :D | 09:33 |
| david-ktp | ++ | 09:34 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: hm, go ahead, the reason I didn't run it was that we have no officially ACK'd tarballs | 09:35 |
| shadeslayer | ah okay | 09:36 |
| shadeslayer | we could be the first one | 09:36 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: ok, nvm | 09:36 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: mail was sent ~10h ago | 09:36 |
| shadeslayer | yeah | 09:36 |
| shadeslayer | ah when you say ACK'd I thought you meant "Someone who had built all the tar's and sent a email that they build fine" | 09:37 |
| valorie | apachelogger: I tried to test some of phonon some months ago, but I don't understand what some of the tests are or how to do them | 09:37 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: ah no, just ack'd by albert | 09:38 |
| shadeslayer | power strips \o/ | 09:39 |
| shadeslayer | now I can work on soprano | 09:40 |
| apachelogger | UI testing needs testsuite creation upstream | 09:42 |
| apachelogger | we can do UI tests using the accessibility layer | 09:42 |
| apachelogger | ... | 09:42 |
| apachelogger | iff upstream had a test suite it would be rather straight forward to set up | 09:43 |
| david-ktp | upstream = KDE or Ubuntu? | 09:43 |
| apachelogger | KDE | 09:43 |
| apachelogger | well, there is one for gnome so it's more like adapting/creating tests I guess | 09:44 |
| apachelogger | thing is, with the atspi accessibility magic it's trivial to do the testing, writing the tests will be an effort | 09:44 |
| shadeslayer | yeah, that's the whole issue | 09:46 |
| apachelogger | :@ | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | I am in witness protection | 09:47 |
| Quintasan | lol | 09:47 |
| apachelogger | :P | 09:47 |
| jussi | Hi! | 09:50 |
| jussi | Im ack | 09:50 |
| jussi | back even | 09:50 |
| apachelogger | I am not sure he actually got anywhere | 09:51 |
| jussi | where is the agenda that Riddell is reading from ? | 09:52 |
| Riddell | jussi: trello | 09:52 |
| apachelogger | ah right | 09:52 |
| Riddell | https://trello.com/board/13-10/515d717b729ef48449001328 | 09:52 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: Riddell we also have https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-developer-summit/51b0983365d452e4310026ad btw | 09:53 |
| apachelogger | that is semi-solved with recent PPA changes WRT automatic dbgsym extraction | 09:54 |
| apachelogger | we just need the space | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | so start a flamewar | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | say canonical is bad | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | and stopping our quality | 09:55 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: how does automatic dbgsym get turned on? | 09:55 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: btw, it's not like we'd have more space requirement, we just needed a way to turn off -dbg extraction via pkg-kde-tools | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | the big packages have -dbg anyway, so -dbgsym would simply replace that | 09:56 |
| shadeslayer | true, but that's blocking on dbgsym handling in DrKonqi? | 09:57 |
| shadeslayer | we can't simply turn off the dbg packages since that would break DrKonqi | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | wouldn't | 09:58 |
| apachelogger | not more than it is now :P | 09:58 |
| shadeslayer | how so? | 09:58 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 09:58 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: right now it will not be able to debug half the packages making it fully useless :P | 10:04 |
| shadeslayer | i see | 10:04 |
| apachelogger | reopened the board | 10:05 |
| yofel | why? | 10:06 |
| jussi | do you people even hear me? | 10:06 |
| shadeslayer | nope | 10:06 |
| jussi | sigh. | 10:06 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: running for 1:13 hours in case you want to break at some point :P | 10:13 |
| apachelogger | yofel: we are not the debian team :P | 10:13 |
| apachelogger | +1000 | 10:14 |
| apachelogger | join debian git repository | 10:15 |
| apachelogger | branch debian/fooo kubuntu/saucy etc.etc. | 10:15 |
| shadeslayer | yeah make sense | 10:15 |
| apachelogger | we have a faster cadence than debian | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | debian should pick from us | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | not us pushing into debian | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | use the same git repo! | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | problem solved :P | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | beer \o/ | 10:18 |
| apachelogger | I am going to debconf | 10:18 |
| apachelogger | what did agateau say? | 10:20 |
| agateau | apachelogger: asking if the other ubuntu flavors are using bzr and lp | 10:20 |
| apachelogger | ah | 10:20 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: <agateau> are the other flavours using launchpad/bzr | 10:20 |
| * apachelogger is reasonable certain that he has a video that will bring any setup to its knees :P | 10:28 | |
| apachelogger | if not through blur, then through disk IO :P | 10:28 |
| * yofel updates qt5 in neon/kf5 | 10:28 | |
| Riddell | we don't want to know about your video collection apachelogger | 10:28 |
| apachelogger | yofel: how do you do that? | 10:28 |
| yofel | apachelogger: your script? | 10:28 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it's a music video | 10:28 |
| apachelogger | yofel: oh, good luck :P | 10:29 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: can you setup the status page | 10:29 |
| shadeslayer | for 4.10.95 | 10:29 |
| yofel | oh right, need to fix it anyway | 10:29 |
| shadeslayer | oh and akonadi needs to be uploaded | 10:29 |
| apachelogger | when's lunch? | 10:29 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: when I'm hungry enough | 10:30 |
| apachelogger | I needs a break | 10:30 |
| shadeslayer | I am not hungry enough | 10:31 |
| apachelogger | we still have no 1.0 | 10:31 |
| apachelogger | he promised me a 1.0 | 10:31 |
| apachelogger | but I don't think there is one? | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | :( | 10:33 |
| apachelogger | if you got active-settings installed they will inject ontop of desktop | 10:33 |
| apachelogger | breaking stuff all over the place | 10:33 |
| apachelogger | no | 10:33 |
| apachelogger | it's a kubuntu issue | 10:33 |
| apachelogger | it's about kubuntu-settings | 10:33 |
| apachelogger | read the flipping bug report :P | 10:33 |
| agateau | apachelogger: you marked it as wont-fix | 10:35 |
| apachelogger | oh | 10:35 |
| apachelogger | *check* | 10:35 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: setup done | 10:35 |
| shadeslayer | thx | 10:35 |
| apachelogger | ah | 10:35 |
| apachelogger | wrong bug | 10:35 |
| apachelogger | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1185503 | 10:35 |
| apachelogger | agateau: ^ | 10:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1185503 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "active applies to -desktop sessions" [High,Triaged] | 10:35 |
| agateau | apachelogger: did you just update the trello link? | 10:37 |
| BluesKaj | HI all | 10:37 |
| agateau | for people wondering what's happening | 10:38 |
| shadeslayer | we're having drinks | 10:38 |
| Riddell | free beer! | 10:38 |
| agateau | local team brought us free drinks to compensate for moving the kubuntu room back and forth | 10:38 |
| agateau | awesome | 10:38 |
| shadeslayer | libre cervesa \o/ | 10:38 |
| jussi | Someone drink one for me! | 10:39 |
| apachelogger | agateau: yes :P | 10:39 |
| agateau | jussi: working on it | 10:39 |
| BluesKaj | Molson Canadian pls | 10:39 |
| jussi | :D | 10:39 |
| * agateau is actually dring naranja | 10:39 | |
| shadeslayer | likewise | 10:39 |
| agateau | apachelogger: i expected to see a trace of the change in the card | 10:39 |
| agateau | apachelogger: i mean, I thought trello recorded the changes | 10:40 |
| jussi | who is the guy speaking now (british accent) | 10:40 |
| agateau | jussi: lord edmundson | 10:40 |
| agateau | jussi: aka david-ktp | 10:40 |
| jussi | agateau: ok, thanks | 10:40 |
| apachelogger | agateau: that's what comments are for I reckon | 10:40 |
| jussi | pfffffffffttttttttttt | 10:41 |
| david-ktp | normally I'm d_ed | 10:41 |
| david-ktp | I'm using a different client.. which sucks | 10:41 |
| apachelogger | david-ktp's accent is so thick I can hardly understand anything | 10:41 |
| jussi | not alive? | 10:41 |
| jussi | :D | 10:41 |
| agateau | apachelogger: sure, not picking at you at all, just surprised by trello behavior | 10:41 |
| agateau | david-ktp: you're using unsupported features of said client, your fault! | 10:42 |
| apachelogger | agateau: simpler that way, though I suppose timelines/history are indeed very common today | 10:42 |
| jussi | Work item: get ktp up to scratch :) *cough* | 10:42 |
| agateau | apachelogger: yes, I guess so | 10:42 |
| david-ktp | jussi, sure - join us in #kde-telepathy | 10:42 |
| apachelogger | last I wanted to use ktp for IRC someone shouted at me and said it's going away and I shouldn't use it and I am stupid and stuff.... | 10:43 |
| david-ktp | that's exactly what I said :) | 10:43 |
| jussi | david-ktp: come on, haven't I made enough bugs for you to remember me? | 10:43 |
| david-ktp | and haven't I fixed enough | 10:43 |
| jussi | :D | 10:43 |
| apachelogger | there's no such thing | 10:43 |
| jussi | no | 10:44 |
| apachelogger | david-ktp's having an orgasm it seems | 10:44 |
| jussi | hahaha | 10:45 |
| apachelogger | ....ScottK is handling the card now; it is not done | 10:46 |
| apachelogger | or he is supposed to anyway ^^ | 10:46 |
| shadeslayer | right | 10:46 |
| apachelogger | plasma has update scripts!!@$!!@ | 10:47 |
| apachelogger | you can fiddle with anything from an update script | 10:47 |
| apachelogger | and that is the way to fix broken setups | 10:48 |
| apachelogger | !!!! | 10:48 |
| apachelogger | ^ \o/ ^ | 10:48 |
| apachelogger | fix it proper! | 10:48 |
| jussi | I would like that we do a reviewthe default settings of stuff we ship - perhaps we make a list and people can volunteer to review certain apps? | 10:49 |
| apachelogger | no one reading me | 10:49 |
| apachelogger | going for a smoke | 10:49 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: we're here! | 10:49 |
| jussi | Riddell: is that something we can put on a card or so ? | 10:50 |
| yofel | apachelogger:I checked, but i couldn't figure out how to identify whether someone has an intentionally broken desktop or whether it's broken by the script | 10:51 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: any errors with 4.10.95 (patch wise etc.)? | 10:54 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: nope | 10:54 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: soprano needs doing | 10:54 |
| shadeslayer | things keep interfering | 10:54 |
| yofel | interesting... as I got patch failures in my daily builds o.O | 10:54 |
| shadeslayer | 0.o | 10:55 |
| apachelogger | yofel: postinst script.... if previous version was broken place the update script in the path, otherwise not | 10:55 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 10:55 |
| shadeslayer | wait | 10:55 |
| shadeslayer | kde-baseapps kdenetwork-strigi-analyzers kdepim kdepim-runtime kde-runtime | 10:55 |
| shadeslayer | right, will get to those post lunch | 10:56 |
| apachelogger | yofel: everyone having a deliberately broken setup will probably not have the broken settings installed, and new setups will get autofixed | 10:56 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: maybe just c&p the script output to the pad, then you don't have to do everything | 10:57 |
| shadeslayer | I closed the terminal, no script output for you | 10:57 |
| apachelogger | http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fkde-runtime%2Fsitter%2Fkubuntu.git&a=commit&h=cb7e97516f75d01fea6a44950d8263792524a7ad | 10:58 |
| apachelogger | I think the auto-select language option can be landed now | 10:58 |
| apachelogger | (though it has a beauty issue) | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | actually, let's see if we can get rid of that | 10:59 |
| shadeslayer | lemme push bzr branches | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fkde-runtime%2Fsitter%2Fkubuntu.git&a=commit&h=fd29a011d8c559ff2c8fb81351141cd89f7377ef do you think that is SRU material? | 11:01 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: please update the muon card plz | 11:02 |
| apachelogger | it has loads of checklists: P | 11:02 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: my poor script summary :( | 11:02 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 11:02 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: I've posted a list of packages that need work | 11:02 |
| yofel | yay, thanks | 11:02 |
| shadeslayer | lunch \o/ | 11:02 |
| jussi | you arent allowed to eat lunch!!!! | 11:02 |
| yofel | FOOD | 11:02 |
| jussi | not acceptable | 11:03 |
| jussi | david-ktp: doesnt get lunch, he hasnt fixed enough ktpo bugs | 11:03 |
| apachelogger | yes | 11:03 |
| azeem | heya, is there some information somewhere whether precise packages are planned for 4.11 and whether RC1 will be packaged? | 11:39 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: john layt will be here after lunch, able to say anything about locale? | 11:53 |
| Riddell | I see you just dropped the patch in kde-workspace | 11:53 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: the patch removal is a no-brainer | 11:54 |
| apachelogger | but I can say things, whatever things may be :P | 11:54 |
| yofel | Riddell: FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196752 | 11:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1196752 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Suspend only works once when using upower with logind" [Undecided,Triaged] | 11:56 |
| yofel | azeem: RC1 packaging is in process, the kde release team had to delay it because of akademy | 11:59 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: when is muon-discover getting its new icon? :) | 11:59 |
| yofel | azeem: as for 4.11, there probably will be some packages, but upstream doesn't recommend to run it on 12.04 because the base software stack is too old | 12:00 |
| Riddell | starting again | 12:03 |
| Riddell | anyone on mumble? | 12:03 |
| Riddell | apachelogger? | 12:03 |
| apachelogger | yes | 12:03 |
| jussi | Im herer | 12:03 |
| apachelogger | hear no nothing though :P | 12:03 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: now? | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | no | 12:04 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: you have mute and defened on | 12:04 |
| david-ktp | mck182 and I are busy in a different room | 12:04 |
| shadeslayer | mm | 12:04 |
| jussi | not here he doesnt | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | I don't I am speaking with jussi | 12:04 |
| shadeslayer | david-ktp: doing your thing | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | there we go | 12:04 |
| apachelogger | or not ^^ | 12:05 |
| jussi | we just had a small clip | 12:05 |
| Riddell | can you hear? | 12:05 |
| jussi | [13:49:03] <jussi> I would like that we do a reviewthe default settings of stuff we ship - perhaps we make a list and people can volunteer to review certain apps? | 12:06 |
| apachelogger | I totally don't hear mr layt :P | 12:08 |
| yofel | azeem: you do hear him now? | 12:09 |
| yofel | erm , apachelogger^ | 12:09 |
| apachelogger | yes | 12:09 |
| yofel | k | 12:09 |
| apachelogger | languages is not doing that right now | 12:09 |
| apachelogger | I think getting it generically upstream is the longterm plan here | 12:10 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: can't you speak in Mumble? | 12:11 |
| apachelogger | yes, but echo | 12:11 |
| apachelogger | makes my head go wild | 12:11 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: headphones? | 12:12 |
| apachelogger | your end is producing the echo :P | 12:12 |
| shadeslayer | bah | 12:12 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan will do inputmethods :D | 12:13 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: If it's switch to fcitx I can do it | 12:13 |
| Quintasan | Otherwise I can just try making sure it works | 12:13 |
| apachelogger | make the KCM do im configuration | 12:13 |
| jussi | ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | 12:14 |
| jussi | If you would like testing for that kind of items, please let me know. | 12:14 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it's because the ubuntu thing are systemlocales, whereas we have languages | 12:14 |
| apachelogger | \o/ frameworks5 ftw \o/ | 12:15 |
| apachelogger | no | 12:16 |
| apachelogger | workspace is frozen | 12:16 |
| apachelogger | runtime is not | 12:16 |
| Quintasan | Can has fcitx apachelogger? | 12:16 |
| jussi | quick! | 12:16 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: able to put your patch on reviewboard? | 12:16 |
| apachelogger | sure | 12:16 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: what's that? | 12:17 |
| jussi | are the munich guys on irc? | 12:17 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: It's not ibus, that's what I can tell you | 12:18 |
| Quintasan | It's an input method selector | 12:18 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: I know nothing about that | 12:19 |
| apachelogger | at all | 12:19 |
| apachelogger | input methods is a realm I do not want to know anything about either :P | 12:19 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: Well, it's python(ibus) vs not python(fcitx) | 12:19 |
| jussi | or how can we get in contact with them after this ? | 12:19 |
| jussi | Riddell: please ask ^ ^^ :) | 12:20 |
| jussi | email would work also... ? | 12:23 |
| jussi | Riddell: write it down? | 12:23 |
| yofel | hi hefeweiz3n | 12:23 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: muenchen | 12:24 |
| apachelogger | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/15/plasma-desktopZN2352.png <- awesomest silly workaround I did in 2 weeks \o/ | 12:26 |
| yofel | heh | 12:26 |
| manchicken | JontheEchidna: Hey man, which signal fires when sourcelist::uploadCache finishes? | 12:26 |
| shadeslayer | oh look, manchicken | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | manchicken: did you get anywhere with dbgysm + dr konqi? | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 12:27 |
| manchicken | shadeslayer: I'm close to done with it, just trying to figure out how to tell when the update is finished. | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | is "Dr" in Dr Konqi a ref to "The Doctor" | 12:27 |
| manchicken | I was going to update the Trello card, but it appears I don't have write access. | 12:28 |
| shadeslayer | manchicken: username plz | 12:28 |
| shadeslayer | pft | 12:28 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: no, it's because its a doctor............. | 12:28 |
| manchicken | Fun... touch screen input just killed my X session :) | 12:29 |
| manchicken | shadeslayer: I signed up using my gmail, themanchicken@gmail.com | 12:29 |
| shadeslayer | manchicken: need username | 12:29 |
| jussi | Riddell: can we talk about defaults next? | 12:30 |
| Riddell | jussi: if you lead it | 12:30 |
| manchicken | manchicken | 12:30 |
| manchicken | shadeslayer: It had picked some jackass name like "michaelstemle". I don't know who'd want a name like that. | 12:31 |
| manchicken | Lucky for me, I can change it :) | 12:31 |
| shadeslayer | manchicken: plz do not nuke our board | 12:31 |
| shadeslayer | manchicken: and welcome :) | 12:31 |
| manchicken | shadeslayer: Proceeding to nuke... | 12:31 |
| manchicken | heh | 12:31 |
| shadeslayer | ^_^ | 12:32 |
| apachelogger | jussi: I think that ulitmatley needs to be carried upstream | 12:32 |
| manchicken | Now that I'm an org member on trello, how do I do a thing on it? | 12:32 |
| manchicken | heh | 12:32 |
| manchicken | There we go | 12:32 |
| manchicken | "Join Board" evidently means something. | 12:32 |
| manchicken | I'll assign this card to myself then? | 12:33 |
| shadeslayer | yes plz | 12:33 |
| manchicken | Done, notes added. | 12:35 |
| Riddell | jussi: look in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/ | 12:35 |
| apachelogger | we need to fix that path nesting at some point | 12:36 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: most of them set general stuff were our vision diverges | 12:36 |
| apachelogger | most notibly silly didyouknow and splash | 12:37 |
| manchicken | Do we still have a mailing list that we use? | 12:37 |
| manchicken | I need answers from JontheEchidna but he doesn't appear to be responding. | 12:37 |
| manchicken | Offline, asynchronous communication may be in order. | 12:37 |
| apachelogger | it has the same rc.... | 12:37 |
| manchicken | I wasn't sure if we'd moved off to a web forum or something. | 12:39 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I'd like to mention that this is being recorded :P | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | manchicken: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel | 12:41 |
| manchicken | apachelogger: Just subscribed. | 12:42 |
| manchicken | apachelogger: Do I need to be approved? | 12:42 |
| manchicken | I'm typing up my email right now for Jon, hopefully I can get an answer today. I'd like to finish this thing on the bus ride up to Chicago on Saturday. | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I propose we create a kded module that displays a big error window when using xmir | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: no | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: no | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: no | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: no | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | not supported means not supported | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | there is no need for apport, it is not supported | 12:43 |
| shadeslayer | I see | 12:44 |
| shadeslayer | fine with me then | 12:44 |
| apachelogger | also (at least) apport-kde is not maintained | 12:44 |
| shadeslayer | I just wanted to know if it was possible to just send them to XMir and if that would be viable | 12:44 |
| apachelogger | so I'd stay away from it to begin with | 12:44 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: oh is it? | 12:44 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: I just thought that it was feature complete | 12:44 |
| apachelogger | feature complete != needs no maintainership :P | 12:45 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: didn't you try and run some script on XMir and it complained it didn't find X | 12:46 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: well, I did, but I couldn't reproduce that | 12:51 |
| yofel | so don't ask me | 12:51 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 12:51 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 12:51 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas_: where are you! | 12:52 |
| yofel | Riddell: http://community.kde.org/KDE_Core/ReleasesProposal | 12:53 |
| azeem | yofel: thanks - do you have any pointer about what exactly is considered problematic with 12.04? | 12:55 |
| yofel | azeem: graphics stack and boost library, but graphics stack we might be able to use the hardware enablement backports from ubuntu | 12:56 |
| azeem | yofel: ok | 12:56 |
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| manchicken | Okay, I've sent out the email, hopefully I can get this moving again soon. | 12:59 |
| manchicken | Hopefully my message gets through, I sent it immediately prior to seeing the subscribe confirmation link :) | 13:00 |
| manchicken | Did anybody get the message I sent to kubuntu-devel yet? | 13:05 |
| manchicken | If it didn't go out yet I can re-send it... but I don't want to send out a duplicate. | 13:05 |
| Riddell | check the archives | 13:08 |
| manchicken | Aren't they only done once a day? | 13:08 |
| manchicken | Okay, I've gotta go, I'm hoping my message is stuck in moderation or something. I'll resend later if I don't see it. | 13:10 |
| manchicken | Thanks guys. | 13:10 |
| apachelogger | the startup speed of plasma is a very bad joke | 13:12 |
| apachelogger | yofel: that's what staging is for | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | everyone should. | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | so we need more stagings | 13:15 |
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| Riddell | apachelogger: that's what he's saying | 13:21 |
| Riddell | remove kubuntu-ppa/staging | 13:21 |
| Riddell | create kubuntu-ppa/backports-proposed kubuntu-ppa/updates-proposed kubuntu-ppa/beta-proposed | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: that's their problem | 13:21 |
| Riddell | upload to -proposed,copy over once built to prevert archive skew | 13:21 |
| Riddell | is my notes | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I think staging represents the use better :P | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | j-b? | 13:22 |
| apachelogger | is it my j-b? | 13:22 |
| yofel | apachelogger: well, we could make more stagings, but for me staging and proposed are essentially the same | 13:22 |
| apachelogger | <3 j-b <3 | 13:22 |
| yofel | so I don't particulary care about the naming | 13:22 |
| Riddell | j-b has arrives | 13:22 |
| Riddell | http://packages.medibuntu.org/saucy/index.html | 13:22 |
| apachelogger | ices is icecast client | 13:23 |
| apachelogger | This package depends on the binaries codecs package matching your architecture (w32codecs for i386 and w64codecs for amd64 systems). | 13:23 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: that also deps w32codecs | 13:24 |
| apachelogger | it probably has some additional AAC enabled | 13:24 |
| apachelogger | :( | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | I know, right :( | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | eh | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | !info ices2 | 13:25 |
| ubottu | ices2 (source: ices2): Ogg Vorbis streaming source for Icecast 2. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.1-13 (raring), package size 64 kB, installed size 204 kB | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | ah | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: it's ices0 | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | deprecated by ices2 | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | http://www.icecast.org/ices.php | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | just screw it | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | no one needs that crap | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | can I haz hot-j-b? | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | <3 | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | there is no desktop file Riddell | 13:28 |
| apachelogger | so it won't show up in discover | 13:28 |
| apachelogger | app-install is useless without hot-babe and stuff | 13:28 |
| apachelogger | it's a cache of desktop files essentially | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | and icons | 13:29 |
| yofel | right | 13:29 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: it has libdvdcss.desktop | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | oh | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | then we need it :P | 13:29 |
| shadeslayer | could move it to libdvdcss.desktop | 13:29 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: but then if you're adding the medibuntu repo, you know you have to install libdvdcss | 13:30 |
| shadeslayer | which is an argument for not having that | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | not if a user interface was there to add the repo :P | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | it breaks protection | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | ... | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | that is illegal in some countries | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | that's the only problem it has | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: binary blob | 13:32 |
| apachelogger | one person uses it :P | 13:33 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: just maintain the same package for ubuntu and debian | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: funman | 13:39 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: libqapt has magic like that | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | .... | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | see mailing list :P | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | WRT adding the repo | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | j-b gone again :( | 13:46 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: when's the next break? | 13:46 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: do we need another break? | 13:47 |
| apachelogger | I need to go get more coffee :P | 13:47 |
| Riddell | ok break time | 13:49 |
| Riddell | back at 16:10 | 13:49 |
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| apachelogger | yofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/15/plasma-desktoptZ2309.png | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | also, are we back yet? | 14:14 |
| yofel | apachelogger: :D | 14:14 |
| mikecb | lol | 14:15 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: in progress | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | just in case: I hear nothing :P | 14:16 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: now? | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | yes | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | yes | 14:18 |
| Riddell | awooga | 14:18 |
| apachelogger | I think kinfocenter & kickoff->computer are a given | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | question is whether we'd want to put it in systemsettings as well | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | I think windows also has it in there | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | no clue where osx has it | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | IMO kinfocenter actually should be removed from the seed :P | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to messy | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | :P | 14:20 |
| apachelogger | I'd not put it in kinfocenter only | 14:21 |
| apachelogger | that's not where a user should go | 14:21 |
| apachelogger | ever | 14:21 |
| apachelogger | well, it's still in the archive | 14:22 |
| apachelogger | we can put that in about-distro | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | actualy the gnome version of it has the driver info as well | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | http://www.vuntz.net/photoblog/20110413_force-fallback-mode.png | 14:25 |
| lordievader | Good afternoon. | 14:25 |
| apachelogger | how about having a simplified kinfocenter? | 14:27 |
| apachelogger | kcms are what need maintaining :P | 14:27 |
| Riddell | sound hard to design and maintain | 14:27 |
| apachelogger | if it goes upstream all is good | 14:27 |
| apachelogger | the shell is relatively simple | 14:27 |
| apachelogger | just saying, it's an option ^^ | 14:28 |
| Riddell | "about-distro in all three places, kinfo, system settings, kickoff computer | 14:28 |
| Riddell | consider if we want to keep kinfocentre on the image" | 14:28 |
| Riddell | is what I've written | 14:28 |
| Riddell | http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-buildstatus.htm | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | yofel: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/15/plasma-desktopB26121.png 5 sloc, and a bash script with another 5 sloc :P | 14:34 |
| yofel | hehe | 14:35 |
| yofel | apachelogger: when is that opening? Right when you start drkonqi or when you try to file a bug? | 14:35 |
| yofel | because still being able to generate backtraces would be handy | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | when the application starts | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | yofel: no | 14:36 |
| yofel | oh, fun | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | not supported | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | if the application crashes at all in that envrionment it may be an xmir problem | 14:36 |
| apachelogger | in which case we do not care | 14:36 |
| yofel | right, but why prevent the application from running at all? | 14:37 |
| yofel | there are unity users that like using e.g. kile | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | it's running | 14:37 |
| mikecb | This seems like a major abstraction failure... | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | it just shows a window explaining the stituation | 14:37 |
| yofel | ah ok | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | after you oked it the app starts | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | if it crashes it simply goes away | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | i.e. drkonqi is not even invoked | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | apport or whatever can still catch it though I suppose | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | gdb can anyway | 14:38 |
| yofel | hm, so you just set KDE_DEBUG? | 14:39 |
| yofel | (which would be fine with me) | 14:39 |
| apachelogger | hm? | 14:39 |
| yofel | apachelogger: well, how did you disable drkonqi? | 14:39 |
| apachelogger | inside kcrash.cpp | 14:39 |
| apachelogger | kapplication tries to activate drkonqi, the function however first checks for xmir and if detected throws the info and refuses to activate drkonqi | 14:40 |
| yofel | aah | 14:40 |
| apachelogger | then in the handler it checks whether drkonqi was activated and if not simply aborts handling | 14:41 |
| yofel | apachelogger: can that be done for help->report bug too or is there an easy way to just remove that? | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | yeah needs some way for that too | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | I think we want the on-startup notification | 14:41 |
| apachelogger | otherwise people may experience issues and turn to the forums and people there get ??? situations | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | yofel: did you actually manage to build a qt5 source? | 14:42 |
| yofel | #2 now, #1 FTBFS | 14:42 |
| apachelogger | it may be that I did not push all of qt5 :P | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | has nothing to do with multiarch from what I saw | 14:43 |
| apachelogger | I know | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | cause qtwebkit is shit :P | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | but frameworks doesnt require qtwebkit | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | it all built fine until yofel touched stuff :P | 14:44 |
| yofel | veeeery funny | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | I am serious | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | look at kdelibs | 14:44 |
| apachelogger | built until july 12 and then it failed and then it got fixed and now plasma fails :P | 14:45 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: you wanted to look at nepomuk? | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | nepomuk worked last I checked | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | dolphin totally knew about my prn | 14:46 |
| yofel | apachelogger: well, looking | 14:47 |
| yofel | it did fail on KF5 indeed | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | yofel: \o/ | 14:47 |
| apachelogger | you're probably best to handle that anyway it only confused me because I did not look at the neon tooling changes ^^ | 14:47 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: yes, please, check with vHanda, it currently doesn't work on 4.11 in Raring | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: so what is the solution to that shipping problem? | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | but what would trigger the notification? | 14:48 |
| apachelogger | which application that is | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | also note that I'd like to get rid of the notifications entirely | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | they should be integrated into the apps | 14:49 |
| Mamarok | it did work with KDE 4.10.x before | 14:49 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: works in saucy for me in 4.11 | 14:50 |
| Riddell | and I know it worked in raring with 4.10 | 14:50 |
| * yofel upgrades raring in vbox to 4.11 | 14:50 | |
| Mamarok | yes, but it doesn't with 4.11 in Raring, so something is screwd up | 14:50 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: yofel will test but internet is slow so may take a while to upgrade | 14:51 |
| Mamarok | OK | 14:52 |
| Mamarok | just tell me if I need to test something | 14:52 |
| Mamarok | and grab vHanda, he can tell you what is wrong | 14:52 |
| Mamarok | as I reported it to him directly | 14:52 |
| yofel | hm, I'll fetch him when he runs into me | 14:52 |
| Mamarok | go looking for food, you will sure find him :) | 14:53 |
| yofel | CMake Error at /opt/project-neon5/share/ECM/find-modules/FindKF5.cmake:123 (message): | 14:54 |
| yofel | KF5: requested unknown components KI18n | 14:54 |
| yofel | o.O | 14:54 |
| yofel | trying to build myself from git | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | yofel: missing dep in kf5 maybe? | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | or too old ECM | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | heading out now | 14:57 |
| apachelogger | laters | 14:57 |
| * Mamarok grrmls at her video drivers crashing everytime I use a browser over a few hours | 14:59 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: dolphin | 15:02 |
| shadeslayer | or maybe krunner | 15:02 |
| yofel | Mamarok: ok, vishesh says it's not his faul, aurelien confirmed that | 15:06 |
| yofel | and agateau just told me what's wrong | 15:06 |
| Mamarok | yofel: I know it is not his fault, but he knows what is wrong on your side | 15:06 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: re is this SRU material, I'd say so if you have a good test case. | 15:32 |
| ScottK | re the trello card, what one? | 15:32 |
| yofel | Mamarok: what do you have in /usr/lib/odbc/ ? (or does that folder even exist for you?) | 15:42 |
| * Mamarok checks | 15:43 | |
| Mamarok | yofel: http://paste.kde.org/pe2f39a06/ | 15:44 |
| yofel | hm | 15:45 |
| yofel | agateau: you said that you had to symlink those files? ^ | 15:45 |
| Mamarok | symlink to what? | 15:45 |
| volkan | Riddell: hey Jonathan. is the mail you sent to be done in Docs? | 19:16 |
| volkan | I could also help with one of the topics | 19:17 |
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| Riddell | volkan: yeah that's feedback about the docs from the kubuntu session today | 21:46 |
| volkan | Riddell: ops i forgot about that :/ | 21:48 |
| volkan | are there any assignments yet? | 21:49 |
| Riddell | volkan: check trello.com/kubuntu | 22:03 |
| Riddell | docs board has the todo list | 22:03 |
| Riddell | volkan: the stuff I posted today is all fresh, still to be worked on | 22:04 |
| Riddell | valorie and ahoneybun would be good people to talk to about docs but they're both away just now | 22:04 |
| Riddell | valorie: but mostly it's a wiki, so edit :) | 22:07 |
| volkan | Riddell: cool! can I also add some more items to the list? | 22:10 |
| volkan | I also found that there is no link for translation. | 22:10 |
| Riddell | volkan: we've not worked out translations but it'll be through launchpad I expect | 22:27 |
| Riddell | volkan: but yeah do add it | 22:28 |
| volkan | Riddell: no i mean the direction to wikipage wiki.kubuntu.org/Translations | 22:28 |
| Riddell | volkan: oh that should be added to the contributions section? | 22:30 |
| volkan | i think so :? | 22:44 |
| volkan | Riddell: ^ | 22:44 |
| Riddell | volkan: <valorie > oh ah | 22:48 |
| Riddell | (I think she's drunk) | 22:48 |
| Riddell | volkan: but yeah I think it should be in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/GettingInvolved | 22:48 |
| Riddell | pointing to upstream and launchpad as best needed | 22:48 |
| volkan | Riddell: here is the original link, i mistyped before: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Translations | 23:01 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: the standing SRU for more software card | 23:31 |
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