=== Guest84217 is now known as jalcine === jono is now known as Guest74174 [05:11] hello all [05:11] good morning [05:22] afternoon shrinivasan === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [08:04] yofel: mumble doesn't wanna connect :( [08:06] apachelogger: still being set up here [08:06] but the server should be up [08:06] yofel: shadeslayer: ping? [08:06] address was? [08:08] kyofel.dyndns.org [08:08] I can connect to kyofel.dyndns.org [08:10] and my mumble freezes... cant get anywhere :( [08:10] grrr [08:11] we're on the move, back in 15 mins [08:12] hello all [08:13] it appears to have connected... [08:20] but no one is there :) [08:22] jussi: not see me? [08:23] ahoneybun: we're still setting up [08:23] nope, but Harald has joined [08:24] Riddell: ok just saying hi lol [08:24] now I see people [08:24] that was Jon [08:24] but I guess people not seeing me ? [08:25] jussi: I see you [08:25] why can't we speak? [08:25] do we need to make a new room? [08:25] I mean hear me [08:25] Riddell: I heard you before [08:25] lips don't go red [08:25] Harald does [08:25] we can hear you [08:25] Riddell: ! [08:25] yes [08:25] you are asking how mumble works and 42 [08:26] jussi: can you hear me now [08:26] yes [08:26] yes [08:26] haha [08:26] you cant hear me though... ? [08:26] jussi: can you hear valorie ? [08:26] yes [08:26] cool! [08:27] Riddell: we can hear tecnical :P [08:28] ahoneybun: are you on mumble? [08:28] this is amazing [08:29] like the 21st century [08:30] Riddell: I don't know how to [08:31] ahoneybun: install mumble [08:31] connect to kyofel.dyndns.org [08:31] easy [08:31] working on that now [08:32] yofel: mute [08:33] apachelogger: done [08:33] thx [08:35] argh [08:36] hi Quintasan [08:36] Hi [08:36] breaking up a bit... [08:36] Riddell: jussi has [08:36] can you hear me anymore? [08:37] since I'm at work I can't talk but I'm going to listen [08:37] Riddell: how do I know if you can hear me [08:37] hey valorie [08:37] the stream is getting mixed up... :( [08:37] fades in and out [08:38] ahoneybun: can you hear us? [08:38] I think I can hear Harald laughing in the background [08:38] :DDD [08:38] Riddell: stream is broken [08:38] its fading in and out badly [08:38] Riddell: nope [08:38] btw, folks, you should get a grap on vHanda today, as Nepomuk currently doesn't work with 4.11 [08:38] lol [08:38] LOL [08:38] what you folks need is a guy working on multimedia [08:39] wake up shadeslayer :P [08:39] ahoneybun: valorie is talking on docs [08:39] ahoneybun: can you hear? [08:39] no [08:40] now I can, switched to webcam [08:40] ahoneybun: you can hear? [08:41] that's causing echo [08:41] aw shit [08:41] really bad [08:41] My ears [08:42] what is the push to talk [08:42] button [08:42] ahoneybun: you can define it in the config dialog iirc [08:42] ahoneybun: space usually, but configurable [08:42] might be right-ctrl by default [08:42] oh jussi is probably right [08:43] anyone here me>? [08:44] ahoneybun: try again, I think I did [08:44] ahoneybun: we hear you, but the speakers in the room don't work quite yet [08:44] "its not you, its me" :P [08:44] ^^ [08:46] irc window is broadcasted on the screen, so if we can't hear you, we can at least read you [08:46] damn echo [08:47] yay, ahoneybun is talkin'! [08:47] good idea to id yourself when you speak [08:47] I think working together on stuff as a group is way more fun than working on it alone; go docs *team*! [08:47] indeed [08:48] docbook is not awful, xml is :P [08:49] That's agateau speaking, right? [08:49] Quintasan: yesw [08:49] Quintasan: yes [08:49] valorie: I don't like talking over people lol [08:50] pandoc, if you don't know it: http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ [08:51] it even supports latex for martin :) [08:53] right, I got to run for a bit, back in a while [08:53] Ill leave me connect though - no sense breaking a good thing :D [08:55] someone hit shadeslayer on the head for being late plz :O [08:57] Pft [08:57] sure [08:57] * Quintasan throws a brick at shade [08:57] loadsa background noise [08:58] * Quintasan throws a brick at shadeslayer [08:58] can't hear no nothing [08:58] apachelogger: not much was going on. Jonathan just started talking again [08:58] curious [08:59] apachelogger: can you hear valorie? [08:59] yah [09:00] {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to all of you not here [09:05] python is root of all evils [09:06] https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-saucy-salamander/518d39bc9433cf5507000173 [09:06] also python is awesome [09:06] people are the root of all evil [09:07] volume control and such business is upstream (KDE)! [09:08] Riddell: ^^ [09:12] just setup mediawiki for the docs :P [09:13] kde 4.11 RC 1 is skipped ? [09:13] apachelogger: yay for that [09:14] soee: just busy at Akademy [09:14] I can run the script [09:14] it's an idea, and we've thought about it [09:14] shadeslayer, ok ;) [09:14] but I haven't heard that we have a sysadmin for our server? [09:14] I'm not doing that work.... [09:15] likewise ^^ [09:16] this was my issue with us having our own server [09:16] servers without good sysadmins soon suck [09:19] so recurit one? :P [09:19] recruiting is hard [09:19] nominate yofel and be done with it [09:19] s/nominate/assign/ [09:19] shadeslayer meant: "assign yofel and be done with it" [09:19] recruiting is hard, conscripting is not. [09:21] ^^ [09:21] * apachelogger is out of coffee :( [09:23] I've not had coffee at all :( === vinay is now known as Guest33021 [09:23] stop whining, you were late..... [09:24] ahoneybun: thanks, bye! [09:25] it was fun guys [09:27] yofel: I'm running the RC1 script btw [09:27] 2.8 is prerelease anyway :P [09:31] informal test reports are impossible to triage [09:32] lacks background and envrionmental information and whatnot [09:32] they basically amount to "amarok is not working" [09:33] http://community.kde.org/Phonon/QA [09:33] :P [09:33] we should link all of these upstream... [09:33] what we need is an upstream database for testing procedures and whatnot [09:33] :D [09:34] ++ [09:35] shadeslayer: hm, go ahead, the reason I didn't run it was that we have no officially ACK'd tarballs [09:36] ah okay [09:36] we could be the first one [09:36] shadeslayer: ok, nvm [09:36] shadeslayer: mail was sent ~10h ago [09:36] yeah [09:37] ah when you say ACK'd I thought you meant "Someone who had built all the tar's and sent a email that they build fine" [09:37] apachelogger: I tried to test some of phonon some months ago, but I don't understand what some of the tests are or how to do them [09:38] shadeslayer: ah no, just ack'd by albert [09:39] power strips \o/ [09:40] now I can work on soprano [09:42] UI testing needs testsuite creation upstream [09:42] we can do UI tests using the accessibility layer [09:42] ... [09:43] iff upstream had a test suite it would be rather straight forward to set up [09:43] upstream = KDE or Ubuntu? [09:43] KDE [09:44] well, there is one for gnome so it's more like adapting/creating tests I guess [09:44] thing is, with the atspi accessibility magic it's trivial to do the testing, writing the tests will be an effort [09:46] yeah, that's the whole issue [09:47] :@ [09:47] I am in witness protection [09:47] lol [09:47] :P [09:50] Hi! [09:50] Im ack [09:50] back even [09:51] I am not sure he actually got anywhere [09:52] where is the agenda that Riddell is reading from ? [09:52] jussi: trello [09:52] ah right [09:52] https://trello.com/board/13-10/515d717b729ef48449001328 [09:53] yofel: Riddell we also have https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-developer-summit/51b0983365d452e4310026ad btw [09:54] that is semi-solved with recent PPA changes WRT automatic dbgsym extraction [09:55] we just need the space [09:55] so start a flamewar [09:55] say canonical is bad [09:55] and stopping our quality [09:55] apachelogger: how does automatic dbgsym get turned on? [09:56] shadeslayer: btw, it's not like we'd have more space requirement, we just needed a way to turn off -dbg extraction via pkg-kde-tools [09:56] the big packages have -dbg anyway, so -dbgsym would simply replace that [09:57] true, but that's blocking on dbgsym handling in DrKonqi? [09:57] we can't simply turn off the dbg packages since that would break DrKonqi [09:58] wouldn't [09:58] not more than it is now :P [09:58] how so? [09:58] heh [10:04] shadeslayer: right now it will not be able to debug half the packages making it fully useless :P [10:04] i see [10:05] reopened the board [10:06] why? [10:06] do you people even hear me? [10:06] nope [10:06] sigh. [10:13] Riddell: running for 1:13 hours in case you want to break at some point :P [10:13] yofel: we are not the debian team :P [10:14] +1000 [10:15] join debian git repository [10:15] branch debian/fooo kubuntu/saucy etc.etc. [10:15] yeah make sense [10:16] we have a faster cadence than debian [10:16] debian should pick from us [10:16] not us pushing into debian [10:16] use the same git repo! [10:16] problem solved :P [10:18] beer \o/ [10:18] I am going to debconf [10:20] what did agateau say? [10:20] apachelogger: asking if the other ubuntu flavors are using bzr and lp [10:20] ah [10:20] apachelogger: are the other flavours using launchpad/bzr [10:28] * apachelogger is reasonable certain that he has a video that will bring any setup to its knees :P [10:28] if not through blur, then through disk IO :P [10:28] * yofel updates qt5 in neon/kf5 [10:28] we don't want to know about your video collection apachelogger [10:28] yofel: how do you do that? [10:28] apachelogger: your script? [10:28] Riddell: it's a music video [10:29] yofel: oh, good luck :P [10:29] yofel: can you setup the status page [10:29] for 4.10.95 [10:29] oh right, need to fix it anyway [10:29] oh and akonadi needs to be uploaded [10:29] when's lunch? [10:30] apachelogger: when I'm hungry enough [10:30] I needs a break [10:31] I am not hungry enough [10:31] we still have no 1.0 [10:31] he promised me a 1.0 [10:32] but I don't think there is one? [10:33] :( [10:33] if you got active-settings installed they will inject ontop of desktop [10:33] breaking stuff all over the place [10:33] no [10:33] it's a kubuntu issue [10:33] it's about kubuntu-settings [10:33] read the flipping bug report :P [10:35] apachelogger: you marked it as wont-fix [10:35] oh [10:35] *check* [10:35] shadeslayer: setup done [10:35] thx [10:35] ah [10:35] wrong bug [10:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1185503 [10:35] agateau: ^ [10:35] Launchpad bug 1185503 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "active applies to -desktop sessions" [High,Triaged] [10:37] apachelogger: did you just update the trello link? [10:37] HI all [10:38] for people wondering what's happening [10:38] we're having drinks [10:38] free beer! [10:38] local team brought us free drinks to compensate for moving the kubuntu room back and forth [10:38] awesome [10:38] libre cervesa \o/ [10:39] Someone drink one for me! [10:39] agateau: yes :P [10:39] jussi: working on it [10:39] Molson Canadian pls [10:39] :D [10:39] * agateau is actually dring naranja [10:39] likewise [10:39] apachelogger: i expected to see a trace of the change in the card [10:40] apachelogger: i mean, I thought trello recorded the changes [10:40] who is the guy speaking now (british accent) [10:40] jussi: lord edmundson [10:40] jussi: aka david-ktp [10:40] agateau: ok, thanks [10:40] agateau: that's what comments are for I reckon [10:41] pfffffffffttttttttttt [10:41] normally I'm d_ed [10:41] I'm using a different client.. which sucks [10:41] david-ktp's accent is so thick I can hardly understand anything [10:41] not alive? [10:41] :D [10:41] apachelogger: sure, not picking at you at all, just surprised by trello behavior [10:42] david-ktp: you're using unsupported features of said client, your fault! [10:42] agateau: simpler that way, though I suppose timelines/history are indeed very common today [10:42] Work item: get ktp up to scratch :) *cough* [10:42] apachelogger: yes, I guess so [10:42] jussi, sure - join us in #kde-telepathy [10:43] last I wanted to use ktp for IRC someone shouted at me and said it's going away and I shouldn't use it and I am stupid and stuff.... [10:43] that's exactly what I said :) [10:43] david-ktp: come on, haven't I made enough bugs for you to remember me? [10:43] and haven't I fixed enough [10:43] :D [10:43] there's no such thing [10:44] no [10:44] david-ktp's having an orgasm it seems [10:45] hahaha [10:46] ....ScottK is handling the card now; it is not done [10:46] or he is supposed to anyway ^^ [10:46] right [10:47] plasma has update scripts!!@$!!@ [10:47] you can fiddle with anything from an update script [10:48] and that is the way to fix broken setups [10:48] !!!! [10:48] ^ \o/ ^ [10:48] fix it proper! [10:49] I would like that we do a reviewthe default settings of stuff we ship - perhaps we make a list and people can volunteer to review certain apps? [10:49] no one reading me [10:49] going for a smoke [10:49] apachelogger: we're here! [10:50] Riddell: is that something we can put on a card or so ? [10:51] apachelogger:I checked, but i couldn't figure out how to identify whether someone has an intentionally broken desktop or whether it's broken by the script [10:54] shadeslayer: any errors with 4.10.95 (patch wise etc.)? [10:54] yofel: nope [10:54] yofel: soprano needs doing [10:54] things keep interfering [10:54] interesting... as I got patch failures in my daily builds o.O [10:55] 0.o [10:55] yofel: postinst script.... if previous version was broken place the update script in the path, otherwise not [10:55] oh [10:55] wait [10:55] kde-baseapps kdenetwork-strigi-analyzers kdepim kdepim-runtime kde-runtime [10:56] right, will get to those post lunch [10:56] yofel: everyone having a deliberately broken setup will probably not have the broken settings installed, and new setups will get autofixed [10:57] shadeslayer: maybe just c&p the script output to the pad, then you don't have to do everything [10:57] I closed the terminal, no script output for you [10:58] http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fkde-runtime%2Fsitter%2Fkubuntu.git&a=commit&h=cb7e97516f75d01fea6a44950d8263792524a7ad [10:58] I think the auto-select language option can be landed now [10:59] (though it has a beauty issue) [10:59] actually, let's see if we can get rid of that [10:59] lemme push bzr branches [11:01] ScottK: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=clones%2Fkde-runtime%2Fsitter%2Fkubuntu.git&a=commit&h=fd29a011d8c559ff2c8fb81351141cd89f7377ef do you think that is SRU material? [11:02] Riddell: please update the muon card plz [11:02] it has loads of checklists: P [11:02] shadeslayer: my poor script summary :( [11:02] hehe [11:02] yofel: I've posted a list of packages that need work [11:02] yay, thanks [11:02] lunch \o/ [11:02] you arent allowed to eat lunch!!!! [11:02] FOOD [11:03] not acceptable [11:03] david-ktp: doesnt get lunch, he hasnt fixed enough ktpo bugs [11:03] yes [11:39] heya, is there some information somewhere whether precise packages are planned for 4.11 and whether RC1 will be packaged? [11:53] apachelogger: john layt will be here after lunch, able to say anything about locale? [11:53] I see you just dropped the patch in kde-workspace [11:54] Riddell: the patch removal is a no-brainer [11:54] but I can say things, whatever things may be :P [11:56] Riddell: FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1196752 [11:56] Launchpad bug 1196752 in systemd (Ubuntu) "Suspend only works once when using upower with logind" [Undecided,Triaged] [11:59] azeem: RC1 packaging is in process, the kde release team had to delay it because of akademy [11:59] JontheEchidna: when is muon-discover getting its new icon? :) [12:00] azeem: as for 4.11, there probably will be some packages, but upstream doesn't recommend to run it on 12.04 because the base software stack is too old [12:03] starting again [12:03] anyone on mumble? [12:03] apachelogger? [12:03] yes [12:03] Im herer [12:03] hear no nothing though :P [12:04] apachelogger: now? [12:04] no [12:04] apachelogger: you have mute and defened on [12:04] mck182 and I are busy in a different room [12:04] mm [12:04] not here he doesnt [12:04] I don't I am speaking with jussi [12:04] david-ktp: doing your thing [12:04] there we go [12:05] or not ^^ [12:05] we just had a small clip [12:05] can you hear? [12:06] [13:49:03] I would like that we do a reviewthe default settings of stuff we ship - perhaps we make a list and people can volunteer to review certain apps? [12:08] I totally don't hear mr layt :P [12:09] azeem: you do hear him now? [12:09] erm , apachelogger^ [12:09] yes [12:09] k [12:09] languages is not doing that right now [12:10] I think getting it generically upstream is the longterm plan here [12:11] apachelogger: can't you speak in Mumble? [12:11] yes, but echo [12:11] makes my head go wild [12:12] apachelogger: headphones? [12:12] your end is producing the echo :P [12:12] bah [12:13] Quintasan will do inputmethods :D [12:13]