[00:15] <twb`> OK, never mind, I found the problem.  I turned off the journal on my SD card's ext4 filesystem, because my system never crashes, so it'll be fine, right?  Turns out, this trips a kernel bug when I try to download web comics onto it.  The similar fusker script didn't trip it last weekend - go figure.
[00:15] <twb`> So I'll just go without webcomics for now.
[00:18] <twb> [   95.907718] BUG: scheduling while atomic: python/1234/0xfffffffc
[02:12] <lilstevie> twb, the one running windows isn't a transformer :p
[02:12] <lilstevie> and is hardware identical (except the windows key and lcd) to the tf700
[02:13] <twb> k
[02:14] <twb> If I walked down to officeworks at lunch and dropped $900 on the current android tf, is your stuff set to flash it and make it all sexy and ubuntu? ;-)
[02:21] <lilstevie> nope
[02:22] <twb> Aw.
[02:22] <lilstevie> I haven't done any work for tf recently
[02:22] <lilstevie> been too busy
[02:22] <twb> Are you working on anything, or just school?
[02:22] <lilstevie> I moved house, and have no internet at the new house
[02:23] <twb> I had no internet for three weeks just because the wire fell out of the cabinet in the street or something
[02:23] <twb> it took that long for the telco man to come look at it
[02:23] <lilstevie> we are having a little bit of difficulty getting the ftth connected
[02:24] <lilstevie> cause our landlord is dragging their hands on getting the paperwork signed for connection
[02:24] <twb> Bleh
[02:24] <twb> At least ftth is an option for you
[02:24] <lilstevie> they told us they signed and returned the paperwork 2 weeks ago
[02:24] <lilstevie> option? there is no option, it is ftth or nothing
[02:24] <lilstevie> no copper here
[02:25] <twb> I dunno why you'd want copper, unless it's brand new and probably not even then
[02:25] <twb> I'm assuming there are competing retailers for FTTH subscriptions
[02:25] <lilstevie> heh, it isn't a matter of wanting copper, it is a matter of wanting anything for internet
[02:25] <lilstevie> only 5
[02:26] <twb> lilstevie: get a 3g dongle with prepaid data sim
[02:26] <lilstevie> twb, that is what I'm using right now
[02:26] <lilstevie> but 3g data is horrendously overpriced
[02:26] <twb> just stop using facebook :P
[02:26] <lilstevie> compared to my $40/m unmetered adsl2+
[02:26] <lilstevie> twb, at the moment, I've stopped everything except irc
[02:27] <twb> That's cheap for unmetered.
[02:27] <lilstevie> that was cheap for unmetered yes
[02:27] <twb> I'm still paying $80/200G/mo from internode
[02:27] <lilstevie> internode are who we are going with for ftth
[02:27] <lilstevie> but it is fairly pricey
[02:27] <twb> Well iinetnode
[02:27] <lilstevie> heh
[02:27] <lilstevie> iiBorg
[02:27] <twb> Since they drove up to simon's house with a truck full of money
[02:28] <lilstevie> they parked the cube in his driveway and assimilated him
[02:28] <lilstevie> http://www.internode.on.net/residential/fibre_to_the_home/estates/ but pretty much the best deal
[02:28] <lilstevie> other options involve peak/offpeak which is bleh
[02:29] <lilstevie> or 200GB quotas on 100/40
[02:29] <lilstevie> or in the case of iPrimus waving your right to the CSG
[02:29] <twb> I wonder if like electricity, you can get credits by providing internet back into the network
[02:29] <lilstevie> hah
[02:30] <twb> by hosting usenet and bittorrent and deb mirrors
[02:32] <lilstevie> with an upload double that of my old download I'd happily do that
[02:32] <lilstevie> but instead they charge you both ways
[02:33] <twb> It's only going to be worse when libs get in and make me get fttc
[02:33] <twb> I notice the exchange that's four doors down from me, has been sold
[02:36] <lilstevie> "when the libs get in" I would have agreed 2 weeks ago, but we are looking at a much closer contest these days
[02:36] <lilstevie> or at least a minority government
[02:36] <lilstevie> some of the independents may help keep your ftth dream alive
[02:41] <twb> TBH I haven't been paying attention
[02:41] <twb> I don't know how to work our telly so I only get local news when someone from .ca or .uk asks me about it
[03:09] <lilstevie> twb, lol
[05:20] <ashes> hello
[05:20] <ashes> have any of you use linux to control a DC motor?
[05:21] <ashes> or if linux can be used to control a DC motor in any capacity... i need pulse width modulation to control speed
[05:22] <maxinux> can linux - yes
[05:22] <maxinux> http://beaglebone.cameon.net/home/using-pwm-outputs
[05:24] <ashes> very interesting
[05:24] <ashes> i own a trim slice, so i guess i can't use that
[05:25] <ashes> it would also be cool to use linux for a lithium battery management system
[05:37] <ashes> mm
[05:38] <ashes> one problem with the beagleboard and what i want to do. i have a 48 volt electric bike with a 500 watt motor
[05:38] <ashes> it can spike to 30-40 amps at startup
[05:38] <ashes> i don't think the beagleboard can handle that
[05:39] <ashes> so its pwm would only work with small motors or lights
[05:50] <twb> "lithium battery management system" -- as in, the firmware that stops the thing from discharging all at once, overcharging, &c?
[05:50] <twb> I'm not sure I want something as hairy as linux in charge of that.
[06:03] <ashes> is suppose
[06:03] <ashes> i suppose
[06:05] <twb> I'm actually not sure you'd be able to reflash their firmware without some regulatory body clapping you in irons
[06:05] <ashes> i am working on a piece of art basically. i bought a used $500 500 watt, 48 volt, electric moped (it has both a motor and pedals)
[06:06] <twb> Ah, so you're not going to be sitting on it when it explodes :-)
[06:06] <ashes> i have dropped another $1000 on it for new batteries, lights, wire, etc
[06:06] <ashes> i upgraded the wire to 10 gauge, and gained 10% speed
[06:06] <ashes> anyway
[06:07] <ashes> i don't care if i spend $20,000 on a bike that is worth $800
[06:07] <ashes> because i am learning as i go
[06:07] <twb> I like my Gazelle Toer Populair, but it's unassisted
[06:09] <ashes> i want a ebike that can do 110 kmph, and uses open source software
[06:09] <ashes> i plan to overvolt 2000 watts of motors
[06:09] <twb> Anything can do 110kmph if you drop it from high enough :-)
[06:10] <ashes> i want motors on both wheels
[06:10] <twb> http://www.cyber.com.au/~twb/doc/bike.txt are my bike notes, but I didn't cover any electric bits
[06:13] <twb> But I think the power train of a bike is pretty embedded -- linux doesn't deal well with systems with <4MB each of volatile and non-volatile storage
[06:14] <twb> You could certainly build a linux-based trip computer or entertainment system for the pillion passenger
[06:17] <ashes> also
[06:17] <ashes> the battery pack is 48 volts, and there is a 48 to 12 volt converter
[06:18] <ashes> my brother, an electrician, says the loss should be minimal. i am willing to get a dedicated 12 volt pack for the lights
[06:19] <ashes> i suspect the converter loses volts
[06:19] <ashes> simply upgrading the 48 volt wiring from 16 gauge to 10 gauge got me a 10% speed increase
[06:20] <ashes> the factory used many sizes of wires
[06:20] <twb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_electric_vehicle says an "e-bike" can do up to 45km/h, if it does up to 80km/h it's an "e-motorcycle" and is subject to stricter DMV regulation (e.g. you need to wear a motorbike helmet)
[06:21] <ashes> in canada it's a pedal bike without a gasoline engine, so it's legally a bicycle
[06:21] <twb> Ah, OK
[06:22] <twb> There's legal info in that page, too
[06:22] <ashes> ok
[06:22] <twb> It says you can't do more than 32km/h in canada except in alberta where you can do 35km/h
[06:23] <ashes> yes, and i can dispute that i am going downhill
[06:23] <twb> Righto.
[06:23] <ashes> my bike does 45kmph
[06:23] <twb> I assumed you wanted to do 110km/h on a flat plane with no wind
[06:23] <twb> At STP and all that
[06:23] <ashes> i hope police have better things to do than stop me for riding too fast in the bike lane
[06:24] <twb> Pfft.  They pull me up when I'm walking home, make me show my hands to prove I have not been spraying graffiti
[06:25] <ashes> i used to play snooker after the place closed, for free, and would walk home at 3am. i would get stopped by police every night, until i stopped walking in the small streets
[06:25] <ashes> now i walk on major streets if i can
[06:27] <ashes> police are less likely to stop someone on a major street because it disturbs traffic
[06:28] <ashes> with my ebike, i am trying to develop 'ideal practice', mostly for soldering
[06:29] <ashes> i get conflicting advice
[06:30] <ashes> the guy at NAPA wants me to buy cheap stuff. my brother is an electrician, and he's worse
[06:30] <ashes> i want ideal
[06:30] <ashes> money is no object for this project
[06:30] <ashes> i'm not rich, but i don't have a wife or children
[06:32] <ashes> so far, my best ideal, is to strip, flux, tin wire. carefully crimp the connector on the wire for full contact
[06:32] <ashes> solder the wire to the contact, and then insulate it
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