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| tyhicks | hello | 16:30 |
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| jjohansen | \o | 16:30 |
| chrisccoulson_ | hi | 16:30 |
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| jdstrand | hi! | 16:30 |
| mdeslaur | hi | 16:30 |
| jdstrand | #startmeeting | 16:30 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Jul 15 16:30:50 2013 UTC. The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 16:30 |
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| jdstrand | The meeting agenda can be found at: | 16:30 |
| jdstrand | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting | 16:30 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report | 16:31 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report | ||
| jdstrand | I'll go first | 16:31 |
| jdstrand | last week was more work on apparmor (application lifecycle, click and application confinement) | 16:31 |
| jdstrand | I had hoped to get openjdk-7 out, but testing took longer than expected. that should go out today | 16:31 |
| jdstrand | I am preparing openjdk-6 uploads now | 16:32 |
| jdstrand | cause of the above, I postponed patch piloting again, so I'll give it another shot this week | 16:32 |
| jdstrand | I have some july work items, particularly getting the evil app together for the IoM demo, and trying to drive the conversations that affect us related to that demo to conclusion | 16:33 |
| jdstrand | I upgraded to saucy on my main system over the weekend, and have a number of bugs to file/investigate | 16:33 |
| jdstrand | mdeslaur: you're up | 16:33 |
| mdeslaur | I'm in the happy place this week | 16:34 |
| mdeslaur | I just published a couple of USNs | 16:34 |
| mdeslaur | and am currently working on php5 updates | 16:34 |
| mdeslaur | I have a couple of other things to test and will probably release them this week | 16:34 |
| mdeslaur | after that, I'll continue picking stuff from the CVE list | 16:34 |
| mdeslaur | that's it for me | 16:34 |
| mdeslaur | sbeattie: you're up | 16:34 |
| sbeattie | I'm working on apparmor stuff this week | 16:35 |
| sbeattie | I'm currently working on getting the click hook prototype implementation far enough along to help drive the hook discussion to completion. | 16:35 |
| sbeattie | I also upgraded to saucy over the weekend, and have a couple of bugs of my own to file. | 16:36 |
| sbeattie | I think that's it for me. | 16:36 |
| sbeattie | tyhicks: you're up | 16:37 |
| tyhicks | I'll be updating the apparmor parser according to the DBus/IPC syntax that we decided on last week | 16:37 |
| tyhicks | I upgraded to saucy and need to take a look at some new AA dbus denials | 16:38 |
| tyhicks | Then content-hub should be at a good place for me to start on the Content Handler work items | 16:38 |
| tyhicks | I also need to find a little time for ecryptfs patch reviews | 16:39 |
| tyhicks | that's it for me | 16:39 |
| tyhicks | jjohansen: you're up | 16:39 |
| jjohansen | I am working on apparmor WIs this week, I am going to try and get some parser cleanups (and fixes collisions with tyhicks work) and changes for ipc out this week, before my long weekend (I'm off M,T next week). | 16:39 |
| jjohansen | I also need to start pushing the apparmorfs changes upstream (for 3.12) now that the merge window for 3.11 has closed | 16:41 |
| jjohansen | I think thats it for me chrisccoulson your up | 16:42 |
| chrisccoulson | hi :) | 16:42 |
| chrisccoulson | note, i've just had a couple of short weeks (was away last monday, and the last 2 days of the week previous) | 16:43 |
| chrisccoulson | i got another flash update out last week | 16:43 |
| chrisccoulson | also attended a call to talk about the UA string for the mobile browser. we're going to have a further call with someone from mozilla soon | 16:44 |
| chrisccoulson | did some more work on oxide (what i've got is actually buildable now!) | 16:44 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm hoping to have it sort-of working sometime next week | 16:44 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm going to arrange a meeting for all stakeholders of that this week | 16:45 |
| mdeslaur | \o/ | 16:45 |
| jdstrand | re oxide building> woo! | 16:45 |
| chrisccoulson | i think that's me done | 16:45 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Highlighted packages | 16:45 |
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| jdstrand | The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. | 16:46 |
| jdstrand | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. | 16:46 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libuser.html | 16:46 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gnucash.html | 16:46 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/salt.html | 16:46 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/alien-arena.html | 16:46 |
| jdstrand | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-letodms-core.html | 16:46 |
| jdstrand | [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions | 16:46 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Miscellaneous and Questions | ||
| jdstrand | Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? | 16:46 |
| jdstrand | mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, chrisccoulson: thanks! | 16:56 |
| jdstrand | #endmeeting | 16:56 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Jul 15 16:56:21 2013 UTC. | 16:56 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-15-16.30.moin.txt | 16:56 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-07-15-16.30.html | 16:56 |
| mdeslaur | thanks jdstrand! | 16:56 |
| tyhicks | thanks | 16:56 |
| jjohansen | thanks jdstrand | 16:56 |
| sbeattie | thanks jdstrand | 16:57 |
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| * Laney shines the DMB's logo into the sky | 19:01 | |
| Laney | (it's a turtle) | 19:01 |
| ScottK | \o | 19:02 |
| ScottK | What's on the agenda for today? | 19:03 |
| Laney | Only actioning someone who will do it to write up the proposal | 19:03 |
| Laney | Or we could take the time to do some of it right now | 19:04 |
| * tumbleweed sees we are due for a CC catch-up this week | 19:04 | |
| * stgraber waves | 19:04 | |
| Laney | since we're all free for an hour, yes? | 19:04 |
| tumbleweed | right now has my vote (better than never) | 19:04 |
| Laney | someone set us up the pad | 19:04 |
| ScottK | Now is good. I'm on vacation this week, so my IRC will be very intermittent and I'm here now. | 19:08 |
| Laney | I just sat down outside with $beer and $laptop and now I have to go and find $yubikey | 19:08 |
| * Laney slaps SSO | 19:08 | |
| Laney | OK, let's just use the existing one then: http://pad.ubuntu.com/dmb-ppu-membership-proposal | 19:10 |
| Laney | Dinner's beeping | 19:33 |
| Laney | someone take over what I was writing for 5 minutes? | 19:33 |
| * ScottK need to take a short break too. | 19:34 | |
| Laney | OK | 19:37 |
| ScottK | Back | 19:39 |
| Laney | I'm not sure if this paragraph actually represents the consensus | 19:42 |
| Laney | please sanity check it | 19:42 |
| Laney | (the last one I've written) | 19:42 |
| micahg-work | I think it reflects the vote, I'm not sure it reflects consensus | 19:43 |
| Laney | haha | 19:43 |
| Laney | Like, should we enumerate the initial list of sets | 19:43 |
| Laney | or is it "packages on any media"? | 19:43 |
| Laney | or ...? | 19:43 |
| micahg-work | oh, surely | 19:43 |
| micahg-work | to enumeration | 19:43 |
| micahg-work | no, I don't think packages on any media should be a requirement | 19:44 |
| ScottK | Is there such a thing as "non-uploading dev members"? | 19:44 |
| micahg-work | ScottK, yes, formerly universe contributors | 19:44 |
| ScottK | Line 42 now. | 19:44 |
| ScottK | Ah, right. | 19:44 |
| ScottK | They are members, but not ubuntu-dev. | 19:44 |
| micahg-work | right | 19:45 |
| micahg-work | I | 19:45 |
| Laney | omg | 19:45 |
| Laney | I don't know what to write | 19:45 |
| Laney | approve/???? | 19:45 |
| * Laney fails at english | 19:45 | |
| Laney | approve/disapprove sounds weird to me | 19:45 |
| * ScottK rewords | 19:45 | |
| Laney | thanks | 19:46 |
| ScottK | Not sure we're on the same thing. | 19:46 |
| Laney | oh, the thing about asking the TB to do something with it | 19:46 |
| barry | Laney: "adopted or revised"? | 19:47 |
| Laney | I reworded it to not make me have to decide :P | 19:47 |
| barry | :) | 19:48 |
| ScottK | There. | 19:48 |
| * ScottK fixed it harder | 19:48 | |
| Laney | ta | 19:48 |
| Laney | that's me more or less out of steam | 19:49 |
| Laney | so feel free to improve it from here | 19:49 |
| micahg-work | ssh laney; sudo apt-get install steam | 19:49 |
| Laney | heh | 19:49 |
| Laney | I had to /remove/ that because my SSD ran out of space | 19:50 |
| Laney | (because I've given over half of it to GameOS for steam... :P) | 19:50 |
| ScottK | Who's in favor of these proposed amendments? | 19:52 |
| micahg-work | o/ | 19:52 |
| tumbleweed | vaguely in favour of 1. fairly ambivilant about 2 | 19:53 |
| ScottK | I'm strongly against #1. | 19:54 |
| stgraber | I'm against both | 19:54 |
| ScottK | non-developers shouldn't be voting for the DMB/TB. | 19:54 |
| micahg-work | ScottK, #2 is for developers without upload rights | 19:54 |
| ScottK | I'm at least slightly ambivalent about that one. | 19:55 |
| tumbleweed | re #1, these are developers, just not uploaders | 19:55 |
| ScottK | I'm mostly against though. | 19:55 |
| barry | i'm against #2 | 19:55 |
| micahg-work | oops, did I get my number wrong | 19:55 |
| micahg-work | I meant 1 | 19:55 |
| ScottK | If UCD can vote for DMB, then they can also vote for/against the DMB people that will approve their eventual dev application. | 19:55 |
| barry | it seems like #1 should be in favor though, right? members even if they're not developers, should get a vote? | 19:56 |
| ScottK | That's pretty backwards. | 19:56 |
| tumbleweed | ScottK: s/UCD/PPU/ and does it actually change anything? | 19:56 |
| ScottK | barry: membership gets you a vote in the CC election. | 19:56 |
| ScottK | UCD can't vote to DMB/TB now. | 19:56 |
| micahg-work | ScottK, why can't you say the same about PPU? according to that, only core-dev should vote for DMB/TB | 19:56 |
| ScottK | Someone with PPU + membership has a combination of assessed technical capability and sustained contribution to the project that make it appropriate, IMO, for them to vote for TB/DMB. | 19:58 |
| ScottK | Neither PPU without member nor UCD have both those. | 19:58 |
| ScottK | Neither should vote for DMB/TB. | 19:58 |
| micahg-work | ScottK, why is it any different from a non-uploading DD having a vote in project elections | 19:58 |
| ScottK | Project elections are more like the CC vote, where they do have a vote. | 19:58 |
| micahg-work | GRs can be technical though? | 19:59 |
| ScottK | True. | 20:00 |
| tumbleweed | UCD aren't equivalent to non-uploading DDs (nwhich is a horrible term) | 20:00 |
| ScottK | We don't have an equivalent of a GR though. | 20:00 |
| tumbleweed | they got membership through devolpment, just not upload rights | 20:00 |
| tumbleweed | non-uploading DDs don't need upload rights because they aren't developers | 20:01 |
| ScottK | Changing who votes for TB/DMB isn't needed to solve the problem of separating membership from PPU. | 20:01 |
| tumbleweed | agreed | 20:02 |
| micahg-work | true | 20:02 |
| ScottK | Since it is controversial, I propose we drop it for now and focus on only the changes we really need to accomplish this goal. | 20:02 |
| stgraber | +1 | 20:02 |
| barry | +1 | 20:02 |
| micahg-work | ok, I removed it, I'll mull it over a bit more, if I feel it's worth doing, I'll make a proposal once this is done | 20:05 |
| ScottK | For the core-packages/membership question, I think it's fair to have a rule that says they generally do, but there may be exceptional cases. | 20:05 |
| micahg-work | well, I think it should be the exceptional case where membership is required, if we don't trust the person to be uploading, then we don't trust them | 20:06 |
| ScottK | For individual packages, I can see that. | 20:07 |
| tumbleweed | on the whole, our actively involved developers should be members | 20:07 |
| tumbleweed | bleh, let me not start down that road | 20:07 |
| ScottK | No, I agree with that. | 20:07 |
| tumbleweed | I don't see the membership thing as a trust thing | 20:08 |
| micahg-work | right, the goal isn't the build an army of non-member developers here, but rather to let them start helping if they have the skills on the path to membership IMHO | 20:08 |
| tumbleweed | but I guess some people do | 20:08 |
| tumbleweed | right | 20:08 |
| ScottK | micahg-work: One can help without upload rights. | 20:08 |
| ScottK | Generally core packages won't be the "DD who has a vague interest in making sure his packages work on Ubuntu" case | 20:09 |
| micahg-work | right, but it could be a DD who also uses Ubuntu and wishes to help keep things running smoothly | 20:11 |
| ScottK | If that's the case, they'll probably usually qualify for membership. | 20:12 |
| micahg-work | not necessarily | 20:12 |
| Laney | I was hoping the vote would mean we didn't have to reopen this question | 20:13 |
| ScottK | I think we can decide on a case by case basis if it's needed or not. | 20:14 |
| micahg-work | core has a bunch of stuff that seemingly doesn't belong, but I guess those are bugs | 20:15 |
| ScottK | Or reasonable cases for exceptions. | 20:16 |
| Laney | Can we avoid seeming arbitrary and/or confusing if there are exceptions? | 20:16 |
| ScottK | Either way, I don't think we should block on getting this exactly right. | 20:20 |
| ScottK | No, but so what. | 20:21 |
| ScottK | Any time the DMB applies judgment, some will see it as being arbitrary. | 20:22 |
| ScottK | It's not an avoidable problem. | 20:22 |
| tumbleweed | yeah | 20:22 |
| tumbleweed | so, are we done? | 20:22 |
| ScottK | Can someone who's not me or micahg-work write something in there about discretion about if core package PPU needs membership or not? | 20:23 |
| ScottK | Then I think we're done. | 20:23 |
| Laney | I suppose it's not so bad if we're not expecting people to explicitly say they want membership all the time | 20:24 |
| ScottK | I'd expect to discuss it with the applicant if there was doubt. | 20:25 |
| * ScottK has to go. | 20:30 | |
| Laney | OK I added a ()sentence about it | 20:31 |
| Laney | everyone read it over and I'll send it some time this week | 20:32 |
| barry | Laney: thanks | 20:32 |
| tumbleweed | yeah | 20:32 |
| micahg-work | Laney, thanks | 20:32 |
| * tumbleweed will re-read tomorrow. knackered, going to bed | 20:33 | |
| Laney | nn | 20:33 |
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