[01:25] <thafreak> there was a tool back in the original redhat days, called apt4rpm
[01:25] <thafreak> that was my first time using apt...
[01:25] <thafreak> that was also pre-yum
[01:25] <thafreak> when rpm dependancies had to be resolved manually...which sucked
[01:25] <thafreak> so apt4rm was really nice
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[03:33] <skellat> One for paultag: https://github.com/e14n/pump.io/issues/118
[03:33] <jenni> [ Debian package · Issue #118 · e14n/pump.io · GitHub ] - https://j.mp/10VydlB
[03:33] <paultag> I can't get into my pump.io
[03:33] <paultag> erm, identica
[03:33] <paultag> since I had a LP login
[03:33] <paultag> via OpenID
[03:33] <paultag> and I can't email recover
[03:34] <skellat> You never had an e-mail set up?
[03:34] <skellat> Hmm
[03:34] <skellat> There is a ticket filed on that
[03:34] <paultag> This user account has no email address.
[03:34] <paultag> sucks
[03:34] <paultag> identi.ca totally jumped the shark
[03:35] <skellat> You're not the only one who missed the couple weeks of notices on that
[03:35] <paultag> such a shame
[03:35] <paultag> ya
[03:35] <skellat> How horrible do I sound in the packaging discussion above?
[03:35] <paultag> Let me open it in a sec
[03:35] <paultag> working in NEW
[03:36] <Unit193> Thought identi.ca turned into a spam pit a while ago.
[03:37] <paultag> heh, pump is node
[03:37] <skellat> Unit193: Nah, that got killed ruthlessly.  Sometimes legitimate users got slammed too.
[03:38] <skellat> paultag: But notice the issues I flagged with that nasty little dependency...
[03:38] <skellat> Shipping a private copy of node.js in a package probably violates packaging policy, I assume
[03:38] <paultag> skellat: pushing so hard for stable, why?
[03:39] <paultag> why not just wait until node gets into testing and backports
[03:39] <skellat> :-)
[03:39] <paultag> skellat: also is pump really in a shape to be uploaded to Debian?
[03:39] <skellat> paultag: Evan wants to build a pump.io appliance
[03:39] <paultag> skellat: if someone has a bug in 4 years when this version is in stable, will it get attention or "you're running out of date code, we're at v100000, what are you using that for"
[03:40] <paultag> perhaps you should upload it to experimental.
[03:40] <skellat> paultag: That's still the question being batted about
[03:40] <paultag> i see
[03:40] <paultag> yes, I agree. Wait until there's a compelling reason
[03:40] <paultag> until then use a local archive + ppas
[03:40] <skellat> Identica collapsed once after the transition
[03:41] <paultag> you have to really ask if this is going to be supported; if not, it's not fit for stable
[03:41] <paultag> which is part of why node it's self isn't in
[03:41] <skellat> Hence why I'm also talking to an FTPMASTER
[03:41] <paultag> skellat: rc-buggy, btw, isn't about rc buggy behavior
[03:41] <paultag> it's the rc buggy car from toy story
[03:41] <paultag> it's a joke
[03:41] <paultag> skellat: >:D
[03:41] <paultag> (you heard about that, didja :) )
[03:42] <skellat> Which done did flew over my head
[03:42] <skellat> Never really watched the Toy Story films too much
[03:42] <paultag> it's a bit subtle for most people
[03:42] <paultag> http://s3.amazonaws.com/bonanzleimages/afu/images/1002/8369/TOY_STORY_RC_CAR_PICS.jpg
[03:42] <jenni> https://j.mp/10VyPYw
[03:42] <skellat> Evan is a DD at least
[03:43] <paultag> wait, he is?
[03:43] <skellat> Last I recall, Evan Prodromou is a Debian Developer
[03:43] <paultag> evan@debian.org; confirmed
[03:43] <paultag> neato
[03:44] <skellat> When I did the private write-up to him about what it would take to do the appliance I noted that Debian was going to be the best route since it supported the most kerosene-powered cheese graters at the moment
[03:44] <paultag> skellat: I met him when he came to Boston :)
[03:44] <paultag> Yeah, I'd say shoot for experimental
[03:44] <paultag> you can requestsync it down if you need to
[03:45] <skellat> The downstreams are the big worry if he goes ahead with the RPi appliance idea
[03:45] <skellat> Raspbian would be out of the question since they diverge a bit from Debian's own repo
[03:45] <skellat> Possibly
[03:46] <paultag> well, setting up an rpi archive is a snaop
[03:46] <paultag> snap
[03:46] <skellat> The RPi has a nice price point but has so many inconvenient limitations that make it annoying for things like use as an appliance
[03:46] <paultag> and one of the rpi folks is a DD
[03:46] <paultag> erm, raspbian
[03:46] <Unit193> Pretty easy to do a normal repo too. ;)
[03:46] <paultag> plugwash
[03:46] <paultag> brb trash
[03:46] <skellat> ARMv6 instruction set makes it generally not play nice with Pure Debian armhf which is why Raspbian went through re-compiling
[03:46] <skellat> Ubuntu won't touch ARMv6 instruction set
[03:47] <skellat> Fedora ARM ran dog slow until it was re-compiled for ARMv6 as Pidora and that was just...not cool...
[03:48] <skellat> Slackware focuses on ARMv5
[03:48] <skellat> Gentoo's installation process looks a bit masochistic
[09:35] <Derath-Srvr> skellat: isn't Gentoo masochistic in the first place?
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[17:55] <skellat> Blah: https://identi.ca/alpacaherder/note/DvflWvpsQk2hpOfKXUO2xg
[17:55] <jenni> [ note by Stephen Michael Kellat - Identi.ca ] - https://j.mp/1bCYXvC
[17:56] <paultag> skellat: :(
[18:28] <Unit193> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1269#comment-402807 hah. ;P
[18:28] <jenni> [ Mark Shuttleworth » Blog Archive » Two weeks with Mir ] - https://j.mp/1bD5AOv
[18:28] <Unit193> And no, I don't often read that blog, I didn't even fully read that post either.  There is a Jeff in the comments that is worth reading, though.
[18:54] <paultag> skellat: I'm just an ftp-assistant, part of the ftpmaster team :)
[18:54] <paultag> skellat: but thank you :)
[18:54] <Unit193> Well you help me out enough...
[18:54] <paultag> Unit193: ♥
[18:55] <paultag> it's a pleasure to serve.
[18:55] <paultag> Men and women for others, and all that other Jesuitical stuff
[18:57] <Unit193> I've even contacted the Debian/Ubuntu packageer for grub about a patch, but he said to contact upstream. :(
[18:58] <paultag> dafuq
[18:58] <paultag> cjwatson? jordi?
[18:58] <Unit193> (New config option, so makes sense.)  Watson.
[18:58] <paultag> ah yep
[18:58] <paultag> cjwatson is a great guy
[18:59] <Unit193> He didn't seem bad, not someone I'd want to contact often though just because :scary: :P
[18:59] <Unit193> He explained why, and it was very sane.
[19:04] <paultag> :)
[19:08] <alpacaherder> Very, very, very tentatively: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-us-ohio/624/detail/
[19:08] <jenni> [ Ubuntu Ohio July 2013 Meeting | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal ] - https://j.mp/15IaKGw
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[23:16] <Unit193> Heh, for having "details" in the name, it's a bit lacking on their end. :P  I'd guess either the platform is lacking, or the agenda is one item?  (Well, guessing lacking platform either way.)
[23:20] <skellat> Unit193: Yet another bug I need to file against LoCo portal
[23:21] <skellat> Even though our time zone is Eastern Standard Time, the meeting tool is stuck in UTC
[23:23] <skellat> Okay
[23:23] <skellat> Got some more details added
[23:23] <skellat> Gonna file yet more bugs
[23:23] <Unit193> (Not that I'm trying to nitpick, or complain.)
[23:24] <skellat> Unit193: There, does it look better now?
[23:25] <Unit193> Yes!