| skellat | More about XMir: http://blog.cooperteam.net/2013/07/xmir-performance.html | 01:16 |
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| knome | uhoh, i probaly can't make the thursday meeting | 13:46 |
| knome | probably too | 13:47 |
| elfy | knome: neither will I be | 14:49 |
| Unit193 | knome: You see my pingies? | 18:11 |
| JCD | Question: Ho can I tel which packages wont be supported in Xubuntu 12.04 LTS after April 2015 anymore? I there a query I could do in ashell? | 18:49 |
| Unit193 | *Some* packages tell you with apt-cache show $packagename, but most won't. | 18:53 |
| JCD | So how can one find out which wans require manual upgrades and may pose a thred to system security? | 19:00 |
| JCD | Umm... threat. Sry | 19:00 |
| Unit193 | It'd just not be supported, at that point you should upgrade. | 19:01 |
| JCD | :-( But the base OS users Canonical repositories so I suggest you take your packages aout of the repos or something. Do you wanna let them sit there or what is the plan? | 19:02 |
| Unit193 | It's the same repos, so things just don't get updated as it's the end of life for the application in that version. It's still a bit off though. | 19:03 |
| Unit193 | !eol | 19:03 |
| ubottu | End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades | 19:03 |
| knome | Unit193, which ones? | 19:59 |
| Unit193 | LP code/diff. | 20:02 |
| knome | probably... | 20:03 |
| knome | yeah, i looked at them | 20:03 |
| knome | iirc i thought "ok" | 20:03 |
| Unit193 | Good enough to merge request or want changes? (Again, not sure on translations.) | 20:04 |
| knome | you know you could push to non-+junk? | 20:04 |
| knome | re: translations, i've no idea if that's done right either | 20:05 |
| knome | if you looked for an example, i'd say going with that is fine | 20:05 |
| knome | if it doesn't work, let's fix it, | 20:05 |
| Unit193 | Then I have to come up with another name, xubuntu-default-settings/pooky may not be nice. :P And, I generally put everything in +junk (or not on LP) | 20:05 |
| knome | jockey- | 20:06 |
| knome | err, | 20:06 |
| knome | jockey-appmenu | 20:06 |
| knome | is a good name | 20:06 |
| knome | or | 20:06 |
| knome | saucy-improvements | 20:06 |
| Unit193 | Soooo, you can't merge anything in junk? What a load of it... | 20:12 |
| Unit193 | knome: Should I add a reviewer? :P | 20:14 |
| ochosi | yeah, you can | 20:14 |
| ochosi | e.g. mr_pouit | 20:14 |
| ochosi | (he can merge things to xubuntu-default-settings, i can't) | 20:14 |
| knome | i suppose that's because the branches are ~xubuntu-dev/ | 20:17 |
| knome | not because you have stuff in +junk | 20:17 |
| ochosi | yup | 20:17 |
| knome | and i think you need to upload to non-+junk to be able to do merge requests properly, but i might be wrong | 20:17 |
| Unit193 | Done, but I'm scared of him. ;P | 20:18 |
| knome | awesome | 20:18 |
| Unit193 | https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-default-settings/xubuntu-default-settings/+merge/174852 turns out you can move branches. | 20:18 |
| knome | woot, i don't remember being able to do so | 20:18 |
| knome | good for you/us | 20:18 |
| knome | Unit193, approved that with type "xpl", so he knows he's ok to go ahead :P | 20:20 |
| Unit193 | Heh, thanks. Now I should find something else to break. :D | 20:20 |
| ochosi | Unit193: so with your first merge-request in Xubuntu that means you won't be allowed to "shut up" anymore ;) | 20:23 |
| elfy | I'll witness that | 20:24 |
| knome | yep | 20:24 |
| knome | and this is a logged channel | 20:24 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Hrm, let me remove that merge request then... | 20:24 |
| knome | Unit193, see, this was our plan from the beginning? | 20:25 |
| Unit193 | knome: Docs don't count as merges? ;) | 20:25 |
| knome | Unit193, not in the same scale :P | 20:25 |
| jjfrv8 | knome, speaking of merges, I have a question on the precise docs. | 20:26 |
| knome | jjfrv8, great! | 20:26 |
| knome | jjfrv8, if it's about your first one, it's pending on me investigating something related to that | 20:26 |
| Unit193 | Now, the problem with this is that it's easy to remove software-properties-gtk, and the launcher will still exist... | 20:27 |
| jjfrv8 | Yeah, that was it. | 20:27 |
| jjfrv8 | So if I want to work on chapter 3, I should either revert my commit or pull another copy rev 56? | 20:27 |
| jjfrv8 | * or rev 56 | 20:27 |
| jjfrv8 | *of | 20:28 |
| knome | jjfrv8, if you will, please keep the merge proposal as it is and get a new copy | 20:28 |
| Noskcaj | Also speaking f the docs, why do we only translate them to 4 languages? | 20:28 |
| knome | jjfrv8, that way i don't need to review the stuff on that one again | 20:29 |
| jjfrv8 | OK | 20:29 |
| knome | Noskcaj, because that's how many languages people are translating them into | 20:29 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 20:29 |
| knome | jjfrv8, you can delete your local copy if you wish, as long as you keep the launchpad one intact | 20:29 |
| jjfrv8 | Ok. What if I have to change the same entities again for chapter 3. Will that be a problem? | 20:30 |
| knome | umm, in *that* case i would say it's better to do a new pull/merge proposal | 20:31 |
| knome | i suppose that will collectively keep our efforts at minimum | 20:31 |
| jjfrv8 | Well a new pull won't have the entity changes I made for Chapter 2. | 20:31 |
| knome | i mean | 20:31 |
| knome | you can go ahead and cancel the merge proposal | 20:32 |
| knome | and keep on working with the same branch | 20:32 |
| jjfrv8 | Alright. I'll do that. | 20:32 |
| knome | and just do a new merge proposal later | 20:32 |
| knome | i'll just re-review that, because otherwise i would have to do conflict resolving and use my brain :P | 20:33 |
| jjfrv8 | Yeah, I have to conserve the brain power too. | 20:33 |
| knome | i'll try to get the answer for the other docs question as soon as possible so we can actually get on with the merges | 20:34 |
| knome | tbe, the problem is that i don't know for certain how i should handle the changelog, if you're wondering | 20:34 |
| knome | :) | 20:34 |
| jjfrv8 | I had a question on that too but I think I'll hold off on that for now | 20:34 |
| knome | jjfrv8, answer: add things you want to mention in the changelog in your commit messages | 20:35 |
| knome | jjfrv8, another answer: after that is done, run 'dch -a' before committing and pushin to update the changelog yourself | 20:36 |
| jjfrv8 | Ok. It was the dch thing that had me confused. I'll just put it in the commit message, then. | 20:36 |
| knome | yeah, that's what the question is... | 20:36 |
| knome | i don't know if our SRU version needs to be "13.10-really12.04" or "12.04" | 20:37 |
| Unit193 | Version 11.10.0 (precise) so it just needs to be higher than that. | 20:38 |
| knome | Unit193, how certain you are? | 20:38 |
| knome | Unit193, (we can always fix it later if you're pretty certain...) | 20:38 |
| Unit193 | dpkg-wise pretty, Ubuntu-wise not as much. | 20:38 |
| knome | i'm also considering what would be the correct place to check | 20:39 |
| knome | #ubuntu-devel ? | 20:39 |
| knome | if that's it, i can do it tonight... | 20:39 |
| knome | or maybe micahg, mr_pouit or xnox could confirm | 20:40 |
| pleia2 | GridCube: the only deviantart invite I have is expired | 22:49 |
| pleia2 | GridCube: can you invite again? | 22:50 |
| GridCube | yes | 22:50 |
| pleia2 | ty | 22:50 |
| GridCube | done | 22:51 |
| GridCube | the only one who hasnt responded yet its reklan, but we do have enough people now in the group to start working whenever you feel like it | 22:51 |
| pleia2 | yeah, go for it | 22:53 |
| pleia2 | don't wait for me :) I am useless with art and stuff | 22:53 |
| ochosi | GridCube: have you received any submissions yet or does "start working" mean start advertising it? | 22:54 |
| pleia2 | ochosi: latter | 22:54 |
| GridCube | i recieved a few submissions yes, but i meant for the advertisement | 22:54 |
| pleia2 | ah, we haven't even told anyone yet! :) | 22:55 |
| GridCube | P: exactly | 22:55 |
| ochosi | ah i see :) | 22:55 |
| knome | magazine contributors: be in touch with me or pleia2 to get your free magazine delivered. | 23:22 |
| pleia2 | I'm going to email all | 23:22 |
| pleia2 | collect them and send to sonny | 23:22 |
| knome | i just sent simons address ;) | 23:23 |
| pleia2 | Noskcaj told me a couple of times that he was sending in the form, not sure what happened | 23:26 |
| pleia2 | your turn to nag :) | 23:26 |
| knome | can't nag, he's not here. | 23:26 |
| micahg | knome: Unit193: new docs for 12.04? can be 12.04.x or if it's a straight backport from 13.04, 13.04.X~ubuntu12.04.1 | 23:27 |
| Unit193 | micahg: It's more of an updated 11.x | 23:27 |
| knome | micahg, we don't even have 12.04... | 23:27 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: no, backported of 12.10 | 23:28 |
| knome | no, backported from 13.1004 | 23:28 |
| knome | err | 23:28 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 23:28 |
| knome | 13.04 | 23:28 |
| knome | the backspace key doesn't work | 23:28 |
| pleia2 | 11.x docs are so ancient we never want to see them again :) | 23:28 |
| knome | but no, it's not a straight backport | 23:28 |
| Unit193 | pleia2: Ah, I thought it was updated stuff, alrighty. | 23:28 |
| knome | Unit193, we want the new art goodies as well as the better written docs. | 23:29 |
| GridCube | knome, you got the icon for showcase? | 23:30 |
| knome | GridCube, i do but it's not at hand. please go ahead without it and i'll get it to you before friday | 23:31 |
| GridCube | :) no problem | 23:32 |
| micahg | I'd suggest for the docs prepare a new 12.04.x release, assuming there are major changes | 23:32 |
| knome | micahg, there is no 12.04. there is 11.10 released in precise. | 23:32 |
| knome | micahg, but re: packaging/changelog, would that release just go between the older and newer ones? | 23:33 |
| micahg | knome: ok, maybe I can chat more about this tomorrow | 23:33 |
| micahg | don't worry about the version for now, we'll figure it out | 23:33 |
| knome | but sure, we can call it say, 12.04.3 | 23:33 |
| micahg | are the docs ready otherwise? | 23:33 |
| knome | micahg, would like to get started with the changelog because otherwise we need to track it manually | 23:33 |
| knome | micahg, nope, they are being worked on. | 23:34 |
| micahg | knome: no, you can add changes, just don't worry about the version, just bump the .X at the end and mark it UNRELEASED and we'll figure out the final version before upload | 23:34 |
| * micahg has to disappear again | 23:34 | |
| knome | micahg, umm, but that has a different set of changes than the saucy release | 23:35 |
| knome | micahg, or do you mean create 12.04 and track changes under that? because that would make sense | 23:35 |
| micahg | sure | 23:35 |
| knome | okay, great | 23:36 |
| knome | i'll do that then | 23:36 |
| knome | thanks for confirming :) | 23:36 |
| micahg | I meant if you're staring with the version in precise, just bump the version | 23:36 |
| knome | yeah, the version in precise is 11.10.. :D | 23:36 |
| micahg | so, start with 11.10.1 and we'll decide the final "version" before upload | 23:36 |
| knome | oki oki ;) | 23:37 |
| pleia2 | knome: so, this next month or so is kind of crazy for me work+travel-wise | 23:52 |
| knome | okay... | 23:52 |
| pleia2 | trying to prioritize tasks some, I want to get the stickers blog post out, and we'll be announcing GridCube's wallpaper thing | 23:53 |
| knome | sure | 23:53 |
| pleia2 | also want to get xubuntu-website bugs triaged | 23:53 |
| knome | can i help with those? | 23:53 |
| pleia2 | so you started on this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1191887 | 23:53 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1191887 in Xubuntu Website "Xubuntu download page has misleading 32/64 bit information" [High,Confirmed] | 23:53 |
| pleia2 | and I said "cannot do right now" do you remmeber where you left off? | 23:53 |
| knome | hmph, not really | 23:54 |
| pleia2 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1200467 should be easy | 23:54 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1200467 in Xubuntu Website "Need to modernize language to remove reference to alternate installer" [High,Confirmed] | 23:54 |
| pleia2 | and I think we just need to bug someone on list to fire up a VM and help us update the screenshots for https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1170890 | 23:55 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1170890 in Xubuntu Website "http://xubuntu.org/upgrading/ is four releases old" [Medium,Confirmed] | 23:55 |
| knome | that looks like two separate issues | 23:55 |
| pleia2 | yeah, they're all unrelated | 23:55 |
| knome | but 12.04 still has alterante. | 23:55 |
| knome | *alternate too | 23:55 |
| knome | so that's a future bug. | 23:56 |
| knome | or future item more exactly | 23:56 |
| knome | re: memory requirements... | 23:56 |
| knome | i don't know. | 23:56 |
| knome | is it important for somebody to know they can *try* xubunty with 256MB? | 23:57 |
| knome | *xubuntu | 23:57 |
| knome | eg. if they're considering a new machine or so | 23:57 |
| * pleia2 updates 1200467 | 23:57 | |
| knome | or have an extra one that's not doing anything and they want to try xubuntu before installing it on their main computer? | 23:57 |
| knome | yes, i know it's really rare that anybody has less than 512. | 23:58 |
| knome | the alternate-part also needs to be removed from the system requirements (says alternate only needs 2gb disk) | 23:58 |
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