[01:16] More about XMir: http://blog.cooperteam.net/2013/07/xmir-performance.html [13:46] uhoh, i probaly can't make the thursday meeting [13:47] probably too [14:49] knome: neither will I be [18:11] knome: You see my pingies? [18:49] Question: Ho can I tel which packages wont be supported in Xubuntu 12.04 LTS after April 2015 anymore? I there a query I could do in ashell? [18:53] *Some* packages tell you with apt-cache show $packagename, but most won't. [19:00] So how can one find out which wans require manual upgrades and may pose a thred to system security? [19:00] Umm... threat. Sry [19:01] It'd just not be supported, at that point you should upgrade. [19:02] :-( But the base OS users Canonical repositories so I suggest you take your packages aout of the repos or something. Do you wanna let them sit there or what is the plan? [19:03] It's the same repos, so things just don't get updated as it's the end of life for the application in that version. It's still a bit off though. [19:03] !eol [19:03] End-Of-Life is the time when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more information. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [19:59] Unit193, which ones? [20:02] LP code/diff. [20:03] probably... [20:03] yeah, i looked at them [20:03] iirc i thought "ok" [20:04] Good enough to merge request or want changes? (Again, not sure on translations.) [20:04] you know you could push to non-+junk? [20:05] re: translations, i've no idea if that's done right either [20:05] if you looked for an example, i'd say going with that is fine [20:05] if it doesn't work, let's fix it, [20:05] Then I have to come up with another name, xubuntu-default-settings/pooky may not be nice. :P And, I generally put everything in +junk (or not on LP) [20:06] jockey- [20:06] err, [20:06] jockey-appmenu [20:06] is a good name [20:06] or [20:06] saucy-improvements [20:12] Soooo, you can't merge anything in junk? What a load of it... [20:14] knome: Should I add a reviewer? :P [20:14] yeah, you can [20:14] e.g. mr_pouit [20:14] (he can merge things to xubuntu-default-settings, i can't) [20:17] i suppose that's because the branches are ~xubuntu-dev/ [20:17] not because you have stuff in +junk [20:17] yup [20:17] and i think you need to upload to non-+junk to be able to do merge requests properly, but i might be wrong [20:18] Done, but I'm scared of him. ;P [20:18] awesome [20:18] https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-default-settings/xubuntu-default-settings/+merge/174852 turns out you can move branches. [20:18] woot, i don't remember being able to do so [20:18] good for you/us [20:20] Unit193, approved that with type "xpl", so he knows he's ok to go ahead :P [20:20] Heh, thanks. Now I should find something else to break. :D [20:23] Unit193: so with your first merge-request in Xubuntu that means you won't be allowed to "shut up" anymore ;) [20:24] I'll witness that [20:24] yep [20:24] and this is a logged channel [20:24] ochosi: Hrm, let me remove that merge request then... [20:25] Unit193, see, this was our plan from the beginning? [20:25] knome: Docs don't count as merges? ;) [20:25] Unit193, not in the same scale :P [20:26] knome, speaking of merges, I have a question on the precise docs. [20:26] jjfrv8, great! [20:26] jjfrv8, if it's about your first one, it's pending on me investigating something related to that [20:27] Now, the problem with this is that it's easy to remove software-properties-gtk, and the launcher will still exist... [20:27] Yeah, that was it. [20:27] So if I want to work on chapter 3, I should either revert my commit or pull another copy rev 56? [20:27] * or rev 56 [20:28] *of [20:28] jjfrv8, if you will, please keep the merge proposal as it is and get a new copy [20:28] Also speaking f the docs, why do we only translate them to 4 languages? [20:29] jjfrv8, that way i don't need to review the stuff on that one again [20:29] OK [20:29] Noskcaj, because that's how many languages people are translating them into [20:29] ok [20:29] jjfrv8, you can delete your local copy if you wish, as long as you keep the launchpad one intact [20:30] Ok. What if I have to change the same entities again for chapter 3. Will that be a problem? [20:31] umm, in *that* case i would say it's better to do a new pull/merge proposal [20:31] i suppose that will collectively keep our efforts at minimum [20:31] Well a new pull won't have the entity changes I made for Chapter 2. [20:31] i mean [20:32] you can go ahead and cancel the merge proposal [20:32] and keep on working with the same branch [20:32] Alright. I'll do that. [20:32] and just do a new merge proposal later [20:33] i'll just re-review that, because otherwise i would have to do conflict resolving and use my brain :P [20:33] Yeah, I have to conserve the brain power too. [20:34] i'll try to get the answer for the other docs question as soon as possible so we can actually get on with the merges [20:34] tbe, the problem is that i don't know for certain how i should handle the changelog, if you're wondering [20:34] :) [20:34] I had a question on that too but I think I'll hold off on that for now [20:35] jjfrv8, answer: add things you want to mention in the changelog in your commit messages [20:36] jjfrv8, another answer: after that is done, run 'dch -a' before committing and pushin to update the changelog yourself [20:36] Ok. It was the dch thing that had me confused. I'll just put it in the commit message, then. [20:36] yeah, that's what the question is... [20:37] i don't know if our SRU version needs to be "13.10-really12.04" or "12.04" [20:38] Version 11.10.0 (precise) so it just needs to be higher than that. [20:38] Unit193, how certain you are? [20:38] Unit193, (we can always fix it later if you're pretty certain...) [20:38] dpkg-wise pretty, Ubuntu-wise not as much. [20:39] i'm also considering what would be the correct place to check [20:39] #ubuntu-devel ? [20:39] if that's it, i can do it tonight... [20:40] or maybe micahg, mr_pouit or xnox could confirm [22:49] GridCube: the only deviantart invite I have is expired [22:50] GridCube: can you invite again? [22:50] yes [22:50] ty [22:51] done [22:51] the only one who hasnt responded yet its reklan, but we do have enough people now in the group to start working whenever you feel like it [22:53] yeah, go for it [22:53] don't wait for me :) I am useless with art and stuff [22:54] GridCube: have you received any submissions yet or does "start working" mean start advertising it? [22:54] ochosi: latter [22:54] i recieved a few submissions yes, but i meant for the advertisement [22:55] ah, we haven't even told anyone yet! :) [22:55] P: exactly [22:55] ah i see :) [23:22] magazine contributors: be in touch with me or pleia2 to get your free magazine delivered. [23:22] I'm going to email all [23:22] collect them and send to sonny [23:23] i just sent simons address ;) [23:26] Noskcaj told me a couple of times that he was sending in the form, not sure what happened [23:26] your turn to nag :) [23:26] can't nag, he's not here. [23:27] knome: Unit193: new docs for 12.04? can be 12.04.x or if it's a straight backport from 13.04, 13.04.X~ubuntu12.04.1 [23:27] micahg: It's more of an updated 11.x [23:27] micahg, we don't even have 12.04... [23:28] Unit193: no, backported of 12.10 [23:28] no, backported from 13.1004 [23:28] err [23:28] hehe [23:28] 13.04 [23:28] the backspace key doesn't work [23:28] 11.x docs are so ancient we never want to see them again :) [23:28] but no, it's not a straight backport [23:28] pleia2: Ah, I thought it was updated stuff, alrighty. [23:29] Unit193, we want the new art goodies as well as the better written docs. [23:30] knome, you got the icon for showcase? [23:31] GridCube, i do but it's not at hand. please go ahead without it and i'll get it to you before friday [23:32] :) no problem [23:32] I'd suggest for the docs prepare a new 12.04.x release, assuming there are major changes [23:32] micahg, there is no 12.04. there is 11.10 released in precise. [23:33] micahg, but re: packaging/changelog, would that release just go between the older and newer ones? [23:33] knome: ok, maybe I can chat more about this tomorrow [23:33] don't worry about the version for now, we'll figure it out [23:33] but sure, we can call it say, 12.04.3 [23:33] are the docs ready otherwise? [23:33] micahg, would like to get started with the changelog because otherwise we need to track it manually [23:34] micahg, nope, they are being worked on. [23:34] knome: no, you can add changes, just don't worry about the version, just bump the .X at the end and mark it UNRELEASED and we'll figure out the final version before upload [23:34] * micahg has to disappear again [23:35] micahg, umm, but that has a different set of changes than the saucy release [23:35] micahg, or do you mean create 12.04 and track changes under that? because that would make sense [23:35] sure [23:36] okay, great [23:36] i'll do that then [23:36] thanks for confirming :) [23:36] I meant if you're staring with the version in precise, just bump the version [23:36] yeah, the version in precise is 11.10.. :D [23:36] so, start with 11.10.1 and we'll decide the final "version" before upload [23:37] oki oki ;) [23:52] knome: so, this next month or so is kind of crazy for me work+travel-wise [23:52] okay... [23:53] trying to prioritize tasks some, I want to get the stickers blog post out, and we'll be announcing GridCube's wallpaper thing [23:53] sure [23:53] also want to get xubuntu-website bugs triaged [23:53] can i help with those? [23:53] so you started on this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1191887 [23:53] Ubuntu bug 1191887 in Xubuntu Website "Xubuntu download page has misleading 32/64 bit information" [High,Confirmed] [23:53] and I said "cannot do right now" do you remmeber where you left off? [23:54] hmph, not really [23:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1200467 should be easy [23:54] Ubuntu bug 1200467 in Xubuntu Website "Need to modernize language to remove reference to alternate installer" [High,Confirmed] [23:55] and I think we just need to bug someone on list to fire up a VM and help us update the screenshots for https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1170890 [23:55] Ubuntu bug 1170890 in Xubuntu Website "http://xubuntu.org/upgrading/ is four releases old" [Medium,Confirmed] [23:55] that looks like two separate issues [23:55] yeah, they're all unrelated [23:55] but 12.04 still has alterante. [23:55] *alternate too [23:56] so that's a future bug. [23:56] or future item more exactly [23:56] re: memory requirements... [23:56] i don't know. [23:57] is it important for somebody to know they can *try* xubunty with 256MB? [23:57] *xubuntu [23:57] eg. if they're considering a new machine or so [23:57] * pleia2 updates 1200467 [23:57] or have an extra one that's not doing anything and they want to try xubuntu before installing it on their main computer? [23:58] yes, i know it's really rare that anybody has less than 512. [23:58] the alternate-part also needs to be removed from the system requirements (says alternate only needs 2gb disk)