[01:16] <skellat> More about XMir: http://blog.cooperteam.net/2013/07/xmir-performance.html
[13:46] <knome> uhoh, i probaly can't make the thursday meeting
[13:47] <knome> probably too
[14:49] <elfy> knome: neither will I be
[18:11] <Unit193> knome: You see my pingies?
[18:49] <JCD> Question: Ho can I tel which packages wont be supported in Xubuntu 12.04 LTS after April 2015 anymore? I there a query I could do in ashell?
[18:53] <Unit193> *Some* packages tell you with apt-cache show $packagename, but most won't.
[19:00] <JCD> So how can one find out which wans require manual upgrades and may pose a thred to system security?
[19:00] <JCD> Umm... threat. Sry
[19:01] <Unit193> It'd just not be supported, at that point you should upgrade.
[19:02] <JCD> :-( But the base OS users Canonical repositories so I suggest you take your packages aout of the repos or something. Do you wanna let them sit there or what is the plan?
[19:03] <Unit193> It's the same repos, so things just don't get updated as it's the end of life for the application in that version.  It's still a bit off though.
[19:03] <Unit193> !eol
[19:59] <knome> Unit193, which ones?
[20:02] <Unit193> LP code/diff.
[20:03] <knome> probably...
[20:03] <knome> yeah, i looked at them
[20:03] <knome> iirc i thought "ok"
[20:04] <Unit193> Good enough to merge request or want changes?  (Again, not sure on translations.)
[20:04] <knome> you know you could push to non-+junk?
[20:05] <knome> re: translations, i've no idea if that's done right either
[20:05] <knome> if you looked for an example, i'd say going with that is fine
[20:05] <knome> if it doesn't work, let's fix it,
[20:05] <Unit193> Then I have to come up with another name, xubuntu-default-settings/pooky may not be nice. :P   And, I generally put everything in +junk (or not on LP)
[20:06] <knome> jockey-
[20:06] <knome> err,
[20:06] <knome> jockey-appmenu
[20:06] <knome> is a good name
[20:06] <knome> or
[20:06] <knome> saucy-improvements
[20:12] <Unit193> Soooo, you can't merge anything in junk?  What a load of it...
[20:14] <Unit193> knome: Should I add a reviewer? :P
[20:14] <ochosi> yeah, you can
[20:14] <ochosi> e.g. mr_pouit 
[20:14] <ochosi> (he can merge things to xubuntu-default-settings, i can't)
[20:17] <knome> i suppose that's because the branches are ~xubuntu-dev/
[20:17] <knome> not because you have stuff in +junk
[20:17] <ochosi> yup
[20:17] <knome> and i think you need to upload to non-+junk to be able to do merge requests properly, but i might be wrong
[20:18] <Unit193> Done, but I'm scared of him. ;P
[20:18] <knome> awesome
[20:18] <Unit193> https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-default-settings/xubuntu-default-settings/+merge/174852 turns out you can move branches.
[20:18] <knome> woot, i don't remember being able to do so
[20:18] <knome> good for you/us
[20:20] <knome> Unit193, approved that with type "xpl", so he knows he's ok to go ahead :P
[20:20] <Unit193> Heh, thanks.  Now I should find something else to break. :D
[20:23] <ochosi> Unit193: so with your first merge-request in Xubuntu that means you won't be allowed to "shut up" anymore ;)
[20:24] <elfy> I'll witness that
[20:24] <knome> yep
[20:24] <knome> and this is a logged channel
[20:24] <Unit193> ochosi: Hrm, let me remove that merge request then...
[20:25] <knome> Unit193, see, this was our plan from the beginning? 
[20:25] <Unit193> knome: Docs don't count as merges? ;)
[20:25] <knome> Unit193, not in the same scale :P
[20:26] <jjfrv8> knome, speaking of merges, I have a question on the precise docs.
[20:26] <knome> jjfrv8, great!
[20:26] <knome> jjfrv8, if it's about your first one, it's pending on me investigating something related to that
[20:27] <Unit193> Now, the problem with this is that it's easy to remove software-properties-gtk, and the launcher will still exist...
[20:27] <jjfrv8> Yeah, that was it.
[20:27] <jjfrv8> So if I want to work on chapter 3, I should either revert my commit or pull another copy rev 56?
[20:27] <jjfrv8> * or rev 56
[20:28] <jjfrv8> *of
[20:28] <knome> jjfrv8, if you will, please keep the merge proposal as it is and get a new copy
[20:28] <Noskcaj> Also speaking f the docs, why do we only translate them to 4 languages?
[20:29] <knome> jjfrv8, that way i don't need to review the stuff on that one again
[20:29] <jjfrv8> OK
[20:29] <knome> Noskcaj, because that's how many languages people are translating them into
[20:29] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:29] <knome> jjfrv8, you can delete your local copy if you wish, as long as you keep the launchpad one intact
[20:30] <jjfrv8> Ok.  What if I have to change the same entities again for chapter 3. Will that be a problem?
[20:31] <knome> umm, in *that* case i would say it's better to do a new pull/merge proposal
[20:31] <knome> i suppose that will collectively keep our efforts at minimum
[20:31] <jjfrv8> Well a new pull won't have the entity changes I made for Chapter 2.
[20:31] <knome> i mean
[20:32] <knome> you can go ahead and cancel the merge proposal
[20:32] <knome> and keep on working with the same branch
[20:32] <jjfrv8> Alright. I'll do that.
[20:32] <knome> and just do a new merge proposal later
[20:33] <knome> i'll just re-review that, because otherwise i would have to do conflict resolving and use my brain :P
[20:33] <jjfrv8> Yeah, I have to conserve the brain power too.
[20:34] <knome> i'll try to get the answer for the other docs question as soon as possible so we can actually get on with the merges
[20:34] <knome> tbe, the problem is that i don't know for certain how i should handle the changelog, if you're wondering
[20:34] <knome> :)
[20:34] <jjfrv8> I had a question on that too but I think I'll hold off on that for now
[20:35] <knome> jjfrv8, answer: add things you want to mention in the changelog in your commit messages
[20:36] <knome> jjfrv8, another answer: after that is done, run 'dch -a' before committing and pushin to update the changelog yourself
[20:36] <jjfrv8> Ok.  It was the dch thing that had me confused.  I'll just put it in the commit message, then.
[20:36] <knome> yeah, that's what the question is...
[20:37] <knome> i don't know if our SRU version needs to be "13.10-really12.04" or "12.04"
[20:38] <Unit193> Version 11.10.0 (precise)  so it just needs to be higher than that.
[20:38] <knome> Unit193, how certain you are?
[20:38] <knome> Unit193, (we can always fix it later if you're pretty certain...)
[20:38] <Unit193> dpkg-wise pretty, Ubuntu-wise not as much.
[20:39] <knome> i'm also considering what would be the correct place to check
[20:39] <knome> #ubuntu-devel ?
[20:39] <knome> if that's it, i can do it tonight...
[20:40] <knome> or maybe micahg, mr_pouit or xnox could confirm
[22:49] <pleia2> GridCube: the only deviantart invite I have is expired
[22:50] <pleia2> GridCube: can you invite again?
[22:50] <GridCube> yes
[22:50] <pleia2> ty
[22:51] <GridCube> done
[22:51] <GridCube> the only one who hasnt responded yet its reklan, but we do have enough people now in the group to start working whenever you feel like it
[22:53] <pleia2> yeah, go for it
[22:53] <pleia2> don't wait for me :) I am useless with art and stuff
[22:54] <ochosi> GridCube: have you received any submissions yet or does "start working" mean start advertising it?
[22:54] <pleia2> ochosi: latter
[22:54] <GridCube> i recieved a few submissions yes, but i meant for the advertisement
[22:55] <pleia2> ah, we haven't even told anyone yet! :)
[22:55] <GridCube> P: exactly
[22:55] <ochosi> ah i see :)
[23:22] <knome> magazine contributors: be in touch with me or pleia2 to get your free magazine delivered.
[23:22] <pleia2> I'm going to email all
[23:22] <pleia2> collect them and send to sonny
[23:23] <knome> i just sent simons address ;)
[23:26] <pleia2> Noskcaj told me a couple of times that he was sending in the form, not sure what happened
[23:26] <pleia2> your turn to nag :)
[23:26] <knome> can't nag, he's not here.
[23:27] <micahg> knome: Unit193: new docs for 12.04?  can be 12.04.x or if it's a straight backport from 13.04, 13.04.X~ubuntu12.04.1
[23:27] <Unit193> micahg: It's more of an updated 11.x
[23:27] <knome> micahg, we don't even have 12.04...
[23:28] <pleia2> Unit193: no, backported of 12.10
[23:28] <knome> no, backported from 13.1004
[23:28] <knome> err
[23:28] <pleia2> hehe
[23:28] <knome> 13.04
[23:28] <knome> the backspace key doesn't work
[23:28] <pleia2> 11.x docs are so ancient we never want to see them again :)
[23:28] <knome> but no, it's not a straight backport
[23:28] <Unit193> pleia2: Ah, I thought it was updated stuff, alrighty.
[23:29] <knome> Unit193, we want the new art goodies as well as the better written docs.
[23:30] <GridCube> knome, you got the icon for showcase?
[23:31] <knome> GridCube, i do but it's not at hand. please go ahead without it and i'll get it to you before friday
[23:32] <GridCube> :) no problem
[23:32] <micahg> I'd suggest for the docs prepare a new 12.04.x release, assuming there are major changes
[23:32] <knome> micahg, there is no 12.04. there is 11.10 released in precise.
[23:33] <knome> micahg, but re: packaging/changelog, would that release just go between the older and newer ones?
[23:33] <micahg> knome: ok, maybe I can chat more about this tomorrow
[23:33] <micahg> don't worry about the version for now, we'll figure it out
[23:33] <knome> but sure, we can call it say, 12.04.3
[23:33] <micahg> are the docs ready otherwise?
[23:33] <knome> micahg, would like to get started with the changelog because otherwise we need to track it manually
[23:34] <knome> micahg, nope, they are being worked on.
[23:34] <micahg> knome: no, you can add changes, just don't worry about the version, just bump the .X at the end and mark it UNRELEASED and we'll figure out the final version before upload
[23:34]  * micahg has to disappear again
[23:35] <knome> micahg, umm, but that has a different set of changes than the saucy release
[23:35] <knome> micahg, or do you mean create 12.04 and track changes under that? because that would make sense
[23:35] <micahg> sure
[23:36] <knome> okay, great
[23:36] <knome> i'll do that then
[23:36] <knome> thanks for confirming :)
[23:36] <micahg> I meant if you're staring with the version in precise, just bump the version
[23:36] <knome> yeah, the version in precise is 11.10.. :D
[23:36] <micahg> so, start with 11.10.1 and we'll decide the final "version" before upload
[23:37] <knome> oki oki ;)
[23:52] <pleia2> knome: so, this next month or so is kind of crazy for me work+travel-wise
[23:52] <knome> okay...
[23:53] <pleia2> trying to prioritize tasks some, I want to get the stickers blog post out, and we'll be announcing GridCube's wallpaper thing
[23:53] <knome> sure
[23:53] <pleia2> also want to get xubuntu-website bugs triaged
[23:53] <knome> can i help with those?
[23:53] <pleia2> so you started on this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1191887
[23:53] <pleia2> and I said "cannot do right now" do you remmeber where you left off?
[23:54] <knome> hmph, not really
[23:54] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1200467 should be easy
[23:55] <pleia2> and I think we just need to bug someone on list to fire up a VM and help us update the screenshots for https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/1170890
[23:55] <knome> that looks like two separate issues
[23:55] <pleia2> yeah, they're all unrelated
[23:55] <knome> but 12.04 still has alterante.
[23:55] <knome> *alternate too
[23:56] <knome> so that's a future bug.
[23:56] <knome> or future item more exactly
[23:56] <knome> re: memory requirements...
[23:56] <knome> i don't know.
[23:57] <knome> is it important for somebody to know they can *try* xubunty with 256MB?
[23:57] <knome> *xubuntu
[23:57] <knome> eg. if they're considering a new machine or so
[23:57]  * pleia2 updates 1200467
[23:57] <knome> or have an extra one that's not doing anything and they want to try xubuntu before installing it on their main computer?
[23:58] <knome> yes, i know it's really rare that anybody has less than 512.
[23:58] <knome> the alternate-part also needs to be removed from the system requirements (says alternate only needs 2gb disk)