[00:29] <doctorpepper> can anyone please help me , for more than a month  i am unable to start akonadi . i get the following error "Could not open required defaults file: /home/smz/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf" eventhough i can open mysql.conf using emacs
[02:49] <shane__> hello
[02:50] <shane__> anyone home?
[03:28] <lorddelta> So where would you send someone if they asked for a newb's introduction to iptables. I know I can always hit the man pages, but the man pages could do with some freshening up. Got any good tuts?
[03:31] <tsimpson> !firewall
[03:31] <tsimpson> first or second link
[03:31] <tsimpson> depending on how deep you want to go
[03:34] <lorddelta> thats a start I suppose
[03:35] <lorddelta> I was hoping for a bit more than a bot answer, but that'll do till I find something better
[03:36] <tsimpson> the help pages have a lot of information
[03:36] <tsimpson> that's why the bot points to them
[03:52] <lorddelta> Well this is going to sound silly but...got any iptables infographics?
[03:52] <lorddelta> :P
[03:52] <lorddelta> Classic problem with things like iptables, you either understand the full 15 page list or none of it.
[03:53] <lorddelta> 15 item*
[03:53] <lorddelta> it is a very infographicall program I bet
[03:53] <lorddelta> I'm not opposed to man pages but I like to use them as reference pages
[03:54] <tsimpson> iptables is insanely complex, that's why they invented all those GUIs and the 'ufw' tool to manage it simply
[03:54] <tsimpson> it's modifying tables in the kernel, so it's very... verbose
[03:55] <lorddelta> Yeah but I don't have to understand all 7/5 layers of the internet to be able to understand how basic tcp/ip works.
[03:55] <lorddelta> Best explanations I ever got weren't long winded ones, they were pictures
[03:55] <lorddelta> the long winded ones were nice when I wanted details
[03:57] <tsimpson> pictures work in the abstract, I haven't see any good abstract "overview" of how iptables work
[03:57] <lorddelta> well I know what it does, it plumbs stuff
[03:58] <lorddelta> What that stuff is, and where it plumbs it are the next logical things to know I should think
[03:58] <tsimpson> and that's all based on kernel routing tables, not an abstract concept
[03:59] <tsimpson> if there was an easy way to understand iptables, it'd be well known
[03:59] <lorddelta> So a better place to start looking would be for infographics of kernel routing tables then
[03:59] <lorddelta> Everything is easy to understand if you know how to go about understanding it.
[04:06] <lorddelta> http://www.actionpacked.com/products/Routing <-- am I on the right track here?
[04:36] <Crell> Hi folks. I've an odd problem with the clock on my 13.04 system.  I'm in Chicago; I just got back from New York.  When I got to New York and changed my clock, it decided that Chicago == UTC.
[04:37] <DarthFrog> Cute.
[04:38] <DarthFrog> No idea why it happened but that's a cute one.
[04:38] <Crell> Right now, my computer is set to Chicago as the local timezone.  Right now it's 11:37 in Chicago. According to the clock, though, it's 4:37 am, which is UTC.  New York, though, is correcctly showing 12:37.
[04:38] <Crell> It's actually happening to me and to my housemate, who is running the same version of Kubuntu.
[04:38] <Crell> Which suggests it may be a more common bug.  I was hoping someone had heard of it.
[04:41] <DarthFrog> I've certainly experienced recalcitrant timezone issues.
[04:43] <Crell> How did you fix them?
[04:44] <DarthFrog> I gave up bashing my head against the wall and just reset them every reboot.  Next time I use my laptop, I'll no doubt encounter them again.
[04:44] <Crell> Well I have reset it.
[04:44] <Crell> Or, well, it is being set via ntp.
[04:45] <Crell> LA and Denver are reporting the correct time.
[04:46] <Crell> Correction: My housemate just noted it affects both of her computers, so all 3 13.04 systems in the house are affected.
[04:46] <Crell> It looks like it's just whatever the "home" timezone is that's affected.  If I set the computer to NYC time, NYC shows up as UTC and everyone else is correct.
[04:49] <Crell> http://askubuntu.com/questions/268073/kubuntu-and-kde-clock  - Hang on, this looks promising.
[05:00] <lorddelta> Crell; happened to me too
[05:01] <lorddelta> I had a similar experience with the clock screwing up
[05:01] <lorddelta> different time zones
[05:01] <lorddelta> right now it seems to have fixed itself, but only after a bunch of updates
[05:01] <lorddelta> and the interface for 'fixing' the time is still broken
[05:01] <lorddelta> file a bug
[05:02] <Crell> Where's the link for that?  And would just a link to the thread above with "This works" be an acceptable bug report?  (Slightly more detailed, but no sense in copy/pasting that page.)
[05:03] <lorddelta> https://bugs.kde.org/
[05:04] <lorddelta> There' something seriously wrong with the whole time package, which is worrying because it affects certification
[05:04] <lorddelta> right now I actually have two different times for the same timezone on my computer...
[05:04] <lorddelta> And its the ntp interface which is screwed up
[05:04] <Crell> Fun times.
[05:06] <lorddelta> Don't ask me what caused it; it just happened out of the blue about 2-3 weeks ago
[05:06] <Crell> Same for us.
[05:06] <Crell> It happened to my housemate when she last was poking at TZ settings.
[05:06] <Crell> It happened to me when I went to New York and changed my timezone... it then decided local was UTC.
[05:07] <Crell> It looks like the actual problem is that the /etc/localtime symlink is invalid, so it falls back to UTC.
[05:07] <lorddelta> let me know if that fixes it.
[05:07] <lorddelta> I'd certainly appreciate it.
[05:08] <Crell> Yes, the link I posted above seems to fix it for me.
[05:08] <Crell> Although it implies that the next time I change the timezone it will happen again.
[05:08] <lorddelta> my 'fix' was to manually set TZ in my bashrc
[05:08] <lorddelta> and then run 'date' whenever I wanted the actual time
[05:08] <lorddelta> oh, and run sudo ntpdate myself
[05:09] <lorddelta> But I couldn't get the plasma-desktop to fix itself.
[05:09] <lorddelta> Can you try really quick and see if messing with your automatic time update works for you?
[05:10] <lorddelta> adjust date and time in settings
[05:10] <lorddelta> automatically retrieve time checkbox
[05:10] <Crell> Mess with how?
[05:10] <Crell> It's set to pull from NTP, yes.
[05:10] <Crell> Always has been for me.
[05:10] <lorddelta> toggle the checkbox, hit 'apply'
[05:11] <lorddelta> I get an error message telling me it cannot contact pool.ntp.org although that's hogwash because the actual ntp utility works fine
[05:11] <Crell> Jumped back to broken UTC.
[05:11] <Crell> I get no such error.
[05:11] <lorddelta> Yup, its related then at least
[05:11] <lorddelta> Curious that I get that error and you don't
[05:11] <Crell> Could be a separate bug.
[05:12] <lorddelta> Or it could be one bug with multiple symptoms, and your have a slightly different configuration somewhere...
[05:12] <lorddelta> you*
[05:12]  * Crell nods.
[05:12] <Crell> Oh good.  And now trying to repeat the process from before isn't fixing it now.
[05:12] <Crell> You broke my computer! :-)
[05:12]  * lorddelta pats self on back
[05:13] <lorddelta> Sorry X_X
[05:13]  * Crell isn't sure which program to file this bug under...
[05:13] <Crell> There is no Clock or Klock...
[05:13] <lorddelta> heh
[05:14] <lorddelta> its not plasma's fault, I was messing with the widgets the other day for a different reason, there are (several) problems with the DataSource stuff in kde
[05:14] <lorddelta> I suspect that's part of the problem
[05:15] <Crell> Fun times.
[05:15] <Crell> Let me ask in #kde
[05:15] <lorddelta> But know I don't know what daemon specifically is responsible, but I'm thinking its a daemon issue
[05:16]  * Crell doesn't know the guts of KDE well enough.
[05:16] <Crell> It's been a long time since I paid close attention to system processes.  I'm a web dev architect these days.
[05:18] <lorddelta> well hey you should be at home, they write most of plasma in QML these days it seems
[05:18] <lorddelta> So that's basically just glorified JS
[05:19] <Crell> If we had to pick a language to be the new ubiquitous language of the world, why did it have to be one as crappy as Javascript?
[05:19]  * Crell does mostly server side PHP.
[05:19] <lorddelta> Hey, similar things could be said about PHP...
[05:19] <lorddelta> I prefer JS...
[05:20] <lorddelta> Ubuntu was hedging its bets on Python, and it nearly made it.
[05:20] <Crell> I was just talking with folks in NYC today about the parallels there between PHP and JS. :-)
[05:20] <lorddelta> ...don't tell me, I bet someone's built a linux distro that runs off of php X_X
[05:20] <Crell> I certainly hope not.
[05:20] <Crell> I know there's gtk bindings for PHP, which is just weird.  I've never used it.
[05:21] <lorddelta> not that I'm holding my breath but some people are using php as a replacement for perl these days...so we might see more of that crazyness in the near future.
[05:21] <Crell> Well PHP is decent enough as a shell scripting language.
[05:21] <lorddelta> Think that's how python got started anyways
[05:22] <Crell> And it's certainly more readable than Perl.
[05:22] <Crell> But I wouldn't use it as the basis for an OS.
[05:22]  * Crell has written CLI PHP apps for clients before.
[05:22] <lorddelta> Perl is more like super-bash
[05:22] <Crell> Perl: It's like awk, but for people for whom awk is too readable.
[05:23] <lorddelta> ew. Why would anyone want to program in awk...
[05:23] <Crell> Nothing more than 4 lines, at laest.
[05:23] <Crell> least.
[05:23] <lorddelta> I haven't done much of awk, but I'd rather write a perl program if I'm gonna do any serious shell work
[05:24] <lorddelta> I don't touch php unless I have to
[05:24] <lorddelta> but its gotten better since php5 I guess
[05:24] <lorddelta> anyways! any luck in kde?
[05:25] <Crell> Someone there just suggested plasma applets.
[05:25] <lorddelta> oh boy
[05:25] <Crell> Yeah, if your memory of PHP is PHP 4, PHP 5 is an entirely new language.
[05:25] <lorddelta> you're gonna get the run-around
[05:25] <Crell> It just shares a lot of syntax with the old one. :-)
[05:26]  * Crell was partially responsible for the death of PHP 4.
[05:26] <lorddelta> Yeah, it looks a lot more like Java now.
[05:26] <lorddelta> That or C++
[05:27] <lorddelta> PHP might be popular for a bit, I don't know if its going to stick around, but its an OOP language now, and Functional is what is currently cool. Which will change in 5 years and PHP will switch back to functional in PHP6
[05:27] <lorddelta> :P
[05:27] <lorddelta> Meanwhile Perl still will be plotting perl5
[05:27] <lorddelta> and everyone will still be using perl4
[05:28] <Crell> hehe.
[05:28] <Crell> Don't confuse procedural with functional.
[05:28] <Crell> VERY VERY different beasts.
[05:28]  * Crell has given conference talks on functional vs. procedural vs. oop.
[05:29] <Crell> PHP's been around for 18 years, and runs 80% of the web.  It's not going away any time soon. :-)
[05:30] <lorddelta> Javascript does suck now, but hey php4 kinda sucked as well...I'm hedging my bets on ES6. Actionscript was a decent language, however bad Flash Player may have been.
[05:32] <lorddelta> Sorry with the functional vs procedural. Just everyone has function pointers and 'closures' these days, so its easy to call something functional when you mean procedural
[05:33] <lorddelta> Or Functors if you like C++
[05:34] <Crell> PHP has closures now, too.  and generators in the latest version.
[05:35] <Crell> It's not a truely functional language in that the runtime doesn't enforce pure functions and immutable variables, but very few languages are purely functional.
[05:42] <Crell> lorddelta: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=320456
[05:43] <Crell> Looks like it was already filed.  I added some additional data.
[05:43]  * Crell tries to be a good OSS citizen.
[05:46] <Crell> lorddelta: Drop some votes on it if you want to pimp it a bit. :-)  (Although I don't know if that ends up meaning anything.)
[05:47] <lorddelta> heh I will if I remember what my pwd is
[05:48] <lorddelta> kde was one of those weird sites that forced me to use an odd password that got lost in a pwd manager somewhere
[05:49] <Crell> fun.  They have a recovery tool though.  Worked for me.
[07:17] <nikola_> Hello guys. This morning I decided to install Kubuntu 13.04. Its a fresh installation and what I wanted to add first is build-essential to have gcc ( i need it to install new AMD catalyst ). Unfortunately, I ran into depency hell and I can't fix it. Is there some solution or its better to go back to 12.04 ?
[07:21] <tron71> nikola_ what errors do you get?
[07:23] <nikola_> http://pastebin.com/NMYm9KFQ
[07:23] <nikola_> Note that this is fresh installation
[07:23] <nikola_> No other applications are installed. I used 13.04 ISO image I downloaded from official Kubuntu web site
[07:24] <tron71> mh... can you check your source repositories in the package manager?
[07:24] <tron71> which repositories are enabled?
[07:25] <lordievader> nikola_: Have you run "apt-get update" before trying to install?
[07:29] <nikola_> Sorry for AFK
[07:30] <nikola_> lordievader : Yes I did
[07:30] <tron71> and what about enabled repositories?
[07:31] <nikola_> Only "Canocial Partners" are unchecked
[07:32] <lordievader> nikola_: What happens when you run "apt-get -f install"?
[07:32] <nikola_> Everything else is checked
[07:32] <nikola_> I get same rrror message.
[07:35] <lordievader> nikola_: Could you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy gcc"?
[07:35] <nikola_> Sure
[07:37] <nikola_> http://pastebin.com/zKyzEbfv
[07:39] <lordievader> Okay, the correct version is available. What dependencies is gcc missing?
[07:40] <nikola_> http://pastebin.com/NMYm9KFQ
[07:40] <lordievader> nikola_: This doesn't show what gcc is missing.
[07:41] <nikola_> How to see that ?
[07:42] <lordievader> nikola_: You can try to install it or run "apt-cache showpkg gcc".
[07:43] <nikola_> http://pastebin.com/sNTdZJcz
[07:45] <lordievader> nikola_: Ah it depends on libc6-dev, what happens when you try to install it?
[07:46] <nikola_> http://pastebin.com/Q01UK7A4
[07:47] <lordievader> nikola_: Have you run since your installation a "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
[07:48] <nikola_> No, only "update"
[07:48] <nikola_> Should I do it now ?
[07:48] <lordievader> nikola_: Yes.
[07:49] <nikola_> "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded"
[07:50] <lordievader> Now that is odd...
[07:50] <nikola_> Yeah, I never encountered something like this before.
[07:51] <nikola_> I mean in previous distros I never had problems with installingpackages and depencies
[07:51] <nikola_> But this is kinda endless...
[07:51] <lordievader> libc6-dev is complaining about libc6 being ouddated.
[07:52] <lordievader> I think it has a simple solution with one big problem, update libc6 and then update the rest. The big problem? Updating libc6...
[07:53] <nikola_> So thats kinda "loop" or something ?
[07:53] <nikola_> The strangest thing is gcc is located in build-essential and build-essential is looking for gcc itself
[07:54] <lordievader> build-essential is a meta package, in itself it is nothing. Just a bunch of dependencies.
[07:54] <nikola_> Btw if nothing of that doesnt work I will revert back to 12.04
[07:55] <nikola_> I think thats a solution for now until 13.04 reach stable state or something...
[07:55] <lordievader> nikola_: Try to run the full "apt-get update&& apt-get dist-upgrade" again.
[07:55] <lordievader> nikola_: It should already have that, being released and all ;)
[07:56] <nikola_> Update is done
[07:56] <nikola_> And for upgrade : "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[07:57] <lordievader> nikola_: Phew, I'm not sure what to do now...
[07:58] <nikola_> I also tried to reinstall 13.04 3-4 times and still same thing.
[07:58] <nikola_> It's ok. At least we tried...
[07:58] <nikola_> I think to install Ubuntu
[07:59] <nikola_> and to install kubuntu-desktop from there
[07:59] <lordievader> nikola_: Or Ubuntu-Server, if you are comfortable with the commandline. Saves you the whole Unity desktop.
[08:00] <nikola_> Yeah, im fine with command-line
[08:00] <nikola_> Thank you for all help you provided
[08:00] <nikola_> At least we know now its some sort of ugly bug
[08:02] <lordievader> nikola_: No problem. Too bad we couldn't find a solution.
[08:03] <nikola_> Nah its ok
[08:04] <nikola_> What you use anyway ?
[08:04] <nikola_> Also Kubuntu or Ubuntu ?
[08:04] <lordievader> nikola_: What do you mean?
[08:04] <lordievader> nikola_: Kubuntu, for my desktop and home-laptop.
[08:05] <nikola_> You use 12.04 or this one 13.04 ?
[08:07] <nikola_> I should also note that I installed Kubuntu 13.04 from USB Stick
[08:07] <nikola_> Maybe thats an issue...
[08:07] <lordievader> On the desktop 13.10 and 13.04 on the laptop. My server runs 12.04.
[08:08] <nikola_> You installed from CD-ROM or from USB stick ?
[08:10] <nikola_> Just want to see if my USB is drive is prob corrupted or something...
[08:10] <nikola_> Maybe thats why I get all those errors...
[08:11] <lordievader> nikola_: Usually from a usb stick.
[08:13] <nikola_> I will try to install from another USB stick
[08:15] <nikola_> Thank you for all help :)
[08:16] <nikola_> lordievader : One more info. You never had problems installing build-essential when using 13.04 ?
[08:20] <lordievader> nikola_: Never on 12.04, 13.04 or 13.10. From what I remember, not sure if I had it installed on my 12.10 install.
[08:20] <nikola_> Then thats def a problem with my USB drive
[08:21] <nikola_> Thats why I get reports about "broken packages"
[08:21] <nikola_> Im going to install from another USB drive and I will report results
[08:22] <nikola_> Thanks again for everything.
[10:59] <Saint> blah
[11:11] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:45] <bwat47> thank god for kde 4.11 beta 2, finally no more tearing on intel with kwin
[15:16] <dnivra> Hello. I'm running Kubuntu 12.04.2 I recently got a new computer and the replaced the hard disk of the new one with the hard disk from the old machine. Now, some of the desktop effects do not work. Is there anyway to debug and fix the issue?
[15:17] <dnivra> Cover Switch, Desktop Cube, Desktop Cube Animation, Startup Feedback are the effects that do not work. I cannot change the composting type to OpenGL either - KDE automatically reverts to xrender saying it cannot apply the new settings.
[15:18] <lordievader> dnivra: What kind of graphics card do you have?
[15:19] <dnivra> I don't have a dedicated GPU AFAIK. I'm checking now to be sure.
[15:19] <dnivra> lspci says "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)"
[15:20] <lordievader> dnivra: Does that support OpenGL?
[15:22] <dnivra> I am not sure but I'm guessing it doesn't since I can't witch to OpenGL - KDE automatically reverts to xrender.
[15:23] <lordievader> dnivra: Xrender doesn't support a lot of those fancy things like the Cube or the blur effect.
[15:23] <dnivra> Ah okay so that explains why none of those can be enabled.
[15:25] <dnivra> Okay I guess that fixed it. I was going through the installed packages and found I had installed fglrx when I'd faced this issue earlier but that didn't solve it though. I removed those packages and was able to change the composting type to OpenGL.
[15:25] <dnivra> Guess I should've double checked before coming here.
[15:26] <dnivra> Thanks for the help lordievader :)!
[15:26] <lordievader> dnivra: No problem ;)
[16:36] <todor> Hi all. Can somebody help me with parted and a partition alignment? I created 4 partitions without problem and the last partition complains about poor performance.
[16:37] <todor> The correct partition is: 205211648s   2157754020s. The next unaligned partition is 2157754021s  7814037134s
[16:37] <todor> I saw many howtos for alighning the first partion, but how do I apply this on the fifth partition?
[16:55] <todor> REGISTER toto t.i.ivanov@gmail.com
[17:07] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[17:16] <calwig_> I have something ackward just happening to my 12.04 LTS Kubuntu
[17:16] <calwig_> So the PC is booted, it initiates Kubuntu and upon login, the screen asks for a password. Its entered, then a black screen, suddenly back to the login screen...
[17:17] <calwig_> it keeps doing this again and again after I log in. So I cant get to the desktop
[17:18] <calwig_> How can the KDE Windows Manager be reset, or is there a procedure like this
[17:18] <HighHo> Calwig, have you checked if there are multiple possible sessions?
[17:19] <calwig_> HighHo: Well no, how do I check that. And also, how could there be 2 possible sessions, if there was nothing done to the PC, it was just once rebooted from being logged in normal into a session, to suddenly having this
[17:21] <calwig_> Is there a Forum link to look this up...
[17:21] <calwig_> That would be good :)
[17:21] <HighHo> I think its called "Session Type" it will be visable on the login screen  just make sure kde is selected.
[17:21] <calwig_> HighHo: Interesting, Ill have a look
[17:35] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[17:38] <calwig> HighHo: The menu options has the following:  Default / KDE Plasma Workspace / KDE Plasma Workspace (failsafe session) / Failsafe
[17:38] <calwig> I presume it is KDE Plasma Workspace
[17:39] <HighHo> yep
[17:39] <calwig> which I have chosen
[17:39] <calwig> Would it maybe also be Default?
[17:39] <calwig> What happens then, log in?
[17:39] <calwig> or restart the PC again
[17:39] <HighHo> yes try and login (from my memory Default is the last used session I could be wrong)
[17:40] <HighHo> no just login
[17:41] <calwig> let me try
[17:43] <calwig> Something is a little weary and strange, I chose Default, I logged in, immediately black screen even displays *checking battery state
[17:45] <HighHo> Are you aware of any chnages to the system prior to this?
[17:45] <calwig> system changes absolutely none.
[17:46] <calwig> The only thing I was doing was fdisking my usb. And how I know nothing changed, is because I have another Kubuntu working OS near this one which also shows on the boot screen, I logged in (same login screen) and it works just fine
[17:47] <calwig> Im on a console AltF1
[17:47] <HighHo> Can you type "df"
[17:47] <calwig> and I switched to AltF7 and displays just the boot process log
[17:48] <calwig> yep df -h
[17:48] <calwig> oh wait
[17:48] <calwig> I just noticed my /dev/sda2 is 100%
[17:48] <calwig> could that be it
[17:48] <HighHo> yeah, whats the mount point of it?
[17:49] <calwig> no wonder the other Kubuntu session worked fine, because its still got space
[17:49] <calwig> this is the working OS now/dev/sda2    with / as mounting point
[17:49] <calwig> I think we found the solution
[17:50] <HighHo> Great :)
[17:51] <calwig> So now Im logging into the working Kubuntu and move or figure out what to do with data on that part
[17:51] <calwig> Holy moly
[17:52] <calwig> I just checked the /dev/sda2 it has 0% space, I wonder why it went to this so quick
[17:53] <HighHo> try "sudo apt-get clean" (this will remove cached packages data) then "sudo apt-get autoremove" (this will remove packaes if possible where dependencys are no longer required)
[17:55] <calwig> ah yes my favorite tasks :)
[17:56] <calwig> I think I freed like 2gb
[18:04] <calwig> Ok 1.2Gb free, reboot then apt-get tasks
[18:06] <calwig> Ah, this time I had to chose KDE Plasma Workspace
[18:06] <calwig> and it logged in
[18:06] <calwig> \o/
[18:06] <calwig> thanks HighHo
[18:07] <HighHo> Great news, your welcome
[18:14] <calwig> now onto what I was doing
[18:30] <keithzg> So how does one get a proper default resolution *outside* of one's own user session (ie. on LightDM and etc) on an asymmetrical two-screen setup these days?
[18:30] <keithzg> I'm kindof baffled, but I don't want to long for the days of fiddling with xorg.conf!
[18:31] <HighHo> Keithzg, what drivers are you using?
[18:32] <keithzg> HighHo: Intel (it's an Intel i5-3550)
[18:33] <keithzg> Worth mentioning, I'm running KDE 4.10.5
[18:35] <HighHo> I have 1 system thats connected to 2 displays, the resolustions are fine for me, the login display is on the default monitor (using an nvidia card). So afired I cant really add more than that hopefully someone else might be able to,
[18:38] <keithzg> Yeah, sadly for me both monitors by default are displaying at the resolution of the lower, smaller one (1440x900).
[18:39] <keithzg> And the new Display And Monitor config in SystemSettings is . . . unpolished (and overly user-friendly for my purposes, heh)
[18:40] <HighHo> Just out of intrest you mentioned lightDM is it the same with KDM?
[18:41] <keithzg> Haven't tried. That's a good question.
[18:43] <keithzg> Might as well try. This is my work computer, after all, I don't bother booting into crazy random other DMs and WMs just for kicks, heh.
[18:44] <keithzg> Quasi-related, I'm weirdly fascinated to see what shakes out for which Display Manager ends up being the KDE default in the Wayland era.
[18:45] <keithzg> alright, time to swap DMs and see...
[18:49] <keithzg> No change. KDM displays both monitors at 1440x900 too.
[18:49] <keithzg> (and my kwallet problems persist, but that's another story)
[18:49] <keithzg> (damned power outage...)
[18:52] <keithzg> This is what I hate about the modern automated stuff; when it does work, how does one fix it? #getoffmylawn
[18:57] <keithzg> Hmph. Looks like it's an xorg.conf file or bust.
[19:01] <SonikkuAmerica> keithzg: The pound sign is for IRC channels, not Twitter hashtags :)
[19:01] <keithzg> SonikkuAmerica: Part of my joke :)
[19:01] <SonikkuAmerica> keithzg: Haha
[19:02] <SonikkuAmerica> keithzg: Problems with kdewallet, I hear? I think there's some sort of bug that occurs if you use your login password as your kdewallet password.
[19:03] <keithzg> SonikkuAmerica: Definitely not what I do. I always make sure it's an entirely different password.
[19:04] <keithzg> My issue is just it fails to properly start upon session start, I have to kill the daemon and then invoke it again before anything can get any passwords out (despite how it initially prompted me for my wallet password).
[19:06] <keithzg> But actually, it was different now that I logged in from KDM rather than LightDM. This time, it didn't appear to start at all and so didn't prompt me to unlock my wallet (hence some things like ownCloud sync started complaining) but then once I did open it things worked fine without having to kill the daemon.
[19:38] <n0yd> BluesKaj_: you around?
[19:46] <n0yd> Argh, this is bugging me. I cannot get the system time correct on Kubuntu 13.04
[19:46] <n0yd> I've never had a problem getting the time right in Linux before
[19:47] <n0yd> I usually can always fix it, but this time its stummping me. Anyone willing to give a hand?
[19:47] <n0yd> I've read other people having similar problem with same version of kubuntu oddly
[19:48] <yofel> n0yd: possibly http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?62995-Wrong-time-zone-on-your-clock-Help-Kubuntu-devs-create-a-fix
[19:48] <n0yd> My TZDATA is correct, I've reconfigured many times.  But the EDT (my local timezone, EST with daylight savings) is 6 hours behind
[19:49] <n0yd> But the UTC is actually the right time for EDT
[19:57] <n0yd> yofel: i dont get it...
[19:57] <n0yd> And its not for a lack of trying
[19:58] <n0yd> People are saying /etc/localtime has a broken link,  but reconfiguring tzdata fixes the link. Well great, ive set txdata 10 times, the tz is correct. The ytime is not
[19:58] <n0yd> The UTC is the time of what my correct time would be in my own TZ
[19:58] <n0yd> Not 5 hours ahead like it should be
[19:58] <yofel> o.O
[19:58] <n0yd> or 6, with daylight savings
[19:59] <n0yd> I can make the clock in KDE display right, but that doesnt nothing for actual system time
[19:59] <n0yd> So things like security certificates get messed up
[19:59] <n0yd> I cant use tor, etc
[20:03] <n0yd> So.... anyone else wanna lend a hand?
[20:03] <n0yd> :)
[20:17] <keithzg> n0yd: I, uhh, personally did a dumb hack to fix it myself.
[20:18] <keithzg> n0yd: I told KDE *not* to automatically adjust the Date/Time . . . and installed ntpd, haha
[20:20] <n0yd> keithzg: where do you tell it not ti fix it?
[20:20] <n0yd> you mean uncheck the box?
[20:20] <keithzg> Yup.
[20:20] <n0yd> k
[20:20] <n0yd> I think ive already tried ntpd and it didnt work
[20:20] <n0yd> lemme see
[20:21] <keithzg> Specifically I think I also then set the "time" to UTC in KDE.
[20:21] <keithzg> At least, what's what I currently have it set to, heh.
[20:21] <n0yd> wouldnt matter
[20:21] <keithzg> Yeah, the system time for me at least would even show correctly, but KDE if set to automatic would muck it up.
[20:21] <n0yd> the time displayed in KDE has no bearing on the system time
[20:21] <n0yd> right
[20:21] <n0yd> but mine was never set to auto
[20:24] <n0yd> wtf, I ran ntpd, and now its messed up even more
[20:24] <n0yd> date
[20:24] <n0yd> woops
[20:24] <keithzg> heh
[20:24] <n0yd> UTC is still showing what the localtiume should be
[20:25] <keithzg> I may have needed to reconfigure my locale after swapping over to a local ntpd
[20:25] <n0yd> And now the localtime is 4 hours behind the UTC
[20:25] <n0yd> its so messed up
[20:26] <n0yd> localtime should be showing the time that UTC is currently showing, and UTC should be +6 ahead of the localtime
[20:26] <OerHeks> I had issues too, did a re-install, but your remark about certificates and tor are interesting.
[20:27] <n0yd> Of course security certs complain about time
[20:27] <n0yd> They are supposed to
[20:27] <n0yd> If they didnt, you would have issues
[20:27] <keithzg> n0yd: might be worth a 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata'
[20:27] <OerHeks> True.
[20:27] <n0yd> keithzg: I already have
[20:27] <keithzg> just to be sure
[20:27] <n0yd> Already said that
[20:27] <n0yd> Ive done it more than i can count
[20:27] <keithzg> n0yd: after you started ntpd?
[20:28] <n0yd> oh, no
[20:28] <n0yd> weird, now its right
[20:28] <OerHeks> adjusting time +2 hrs manually fixed it untill next reboot, and still twitter and other time based services like earthquake maps still were off-time.
[20:28] <keithzg> Yeah, that's how it played out for me.
[20:28] <n0yd> though when i was reconfiguring it was still hilighted on the right options
[20:29] <n0yd> wait....
[20:29] <n0yd> What is UTC right now?
[20:29] <keithzg> 20:29
[20:29] <n0yd> 20:20?
[20:29] <n0yd> err ya
[20:29] <n0yd> misread
[20:29] <OerHeks> 8:29 PM
[20:29] <OerHeks> Tuesday, July 16, 2013 (UTC)
[20:29] <n0yd> Ok, just checking
[20:30] <n0yd> Well, hopefully it doesnt go bonkers again
[20:30] <n0yd> Now, lets check some certs
[20:30] <keithzg> Yeah, I remember for myself I reconfigured tzdata a dozen times and it always *seemed* to be correct, but never ended up so. Then after installing ntpd finally tzdata reconfigured properly. Hopefully your case continues to be like mine and remains stable :)
[20:31] <n0yd> Yup, thanks
[20:31] <keithzg> np
[20:31] <n0yd> It had been byugging me for weeks
[20:31] <n0yd> Well, tor certs work now
[20:31] <OerHeks> Will it still work after reboot?
[20:32] <n0yd> yup
[20:32] <n0yd> because of ntpd
[20:32] <n0yd> ntpd runs on boot
[20:32] <OerHeks> oke, thanks, noted this.
[22:22] <sgrover> Had dual monitors setup.  Now switched back to single monitor.  KDM login still things there are two monitors and puts the login prompt half way off the screen.  How do I fix this?  dpkg-reconfigure kdm did nothing.
[22:27] <chachan> sgrover, even if you restart?
[22:27] <chachan> s/restart/reboot
[22:28] <sgrover> chachan: yes - reboot, restart kdm, whichever.  It is always expecting a second monitor.  The background image (default Kubuntu theme) is also scaled for two monitors.
[22:28] <sgrover> No issue once I log in though.
[22:29] <chachan> sgrover, and did you check the display configuration to see if you have only one?
[22:31] <sgrover> The display config only shows one monitor.  I just tried to "unify outputs" anyways but did not reboot/restart kdm yet (was waiting for a response here before logging out).
[22:32] <sgrover> brb
[22:42] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[23:57] <yalcin> hi