[07:44] <James0r> does this channel serve as a help channel for Lubuntu users?
[07:49] <Noskcaj> James0r, that is it's purpose
[07:53] <James0r> Awesome. Well, I'm a new Linux user on Linux Mint 15 Mate, I'm looking to try Lubuntu 13.04 xfce
[07:54] <James0r> i got a netbook and hoping to find something pretty lightweight
[07:54] <James0r> saw that i might have wireless network adaptor issues after install
[07:55] <James0r> how difficult should it be to get it going after install?
[08:07] <superman> how to open startup applications
[08:08] <bioterro1> superman: looking for something like this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_I_can_autostart_a_program_when_logging_into_Desktop ?
[08:09] <bioterro1> seems like there's nowdays too many clicks on the wiki, job well done!
[08:11] <superman> bioterro1, is there not a simple gui for this?
[08:11] <superman> i know linux mint and ubuntu have one
[08:17] <bioterro1> it's relative to what you have got used to
[08:17] <superman> also, how do you set up keyboard shortcuts, set up extended display, is there also a simple way to change the login theme?
[08:26] <superman> bioterro1, have you heard of LXLE?
[08:26] <superman> it seems like a better version of Lubuntu which only focused on Ubuntu LTS versions
[08:26] <superman> the pre-installed apps are nice conky, minitube, firefox, openshot, libreoffice, gimp.... etc it is fully functional out of the box for the general public, but it is still based on lubuntu and thus missing simple things like setting up keyboard shortcuts, extended display, gui start up menu... etc
[08:28] <superman> why won't the lubuntu team just join LXLE, there will be more man power and it makes more sense to just support LTS and not have to work on upgrades every 8 months or so
[10:47] <moxzie> how do i remove policy kit when i mount drive...it annoying! why does it always ask me passsword
[10:49] <moxzie> any body alive out here
[14:14] <maikiro> Hey all, Anyone advise how to config x-chat to connect to Freenode then this channel automatically?
[14:19] <SonikkuAmerica> maikiro: Try asking in #xchat , it's a more relevant channel (esp. because Lubuntu doesn't carry XChat by default) :)
[14:24] <maikiro> ok ta..
[17:06] <meet> Hi. I shared a folder from the right click option from ubuntu. That folder contains multiple other folders. When I tried accessing it from a lubuntu machine, i got an error while opening an inside folder. What went wrong?
[17:11] <ianorlin> was the inside folder shared?
[17:13] <meet> ianorlin, no.
[17:14] <meet> I just right clicked parent folder and clicked share.
[17:14] <superman> is it fine to completely remove the google browser Chromium? it says it will also remove lubuntu-desktop
[17:16] <meet> superman, it is fine. I removed it from mine.
[17:16] <superman> even if it says it will remove lubuntu-desktop?
[17:17] <meet> yes
[17:17] <Myrtti> lubuntu-desktop is a pseudo package
[17:17] <Myrtti> it will not remove anything else.
[17:17] <superman> ok thanks
[17:17] <Myrtti> the lack of lubuntu-desktop will come to play when you're upgrading your lubuntu
[17:17] <Myrtti> ie. from one version to another
[17:18] <superman> btw, i thought the new lubuntu comes with FireFox instead of Chromium
[17:18] <Myrtti> before you do that, reinstall it. It will (probably) pull chromium back in, but you can uninstall it once you're done with the upgrade
[17:18] <ianorlin> you could try sharing the child folder and see if it goes away in ubuntu
[17:20] <meet> ianorlin, but then that will show up separetely on the network. O dont want that
[17:20] <ianorlin> ah
[17:20] <ianorlin> nevermind then
[17:25] <superman> kudos to the one man developer who is developing LXDE on his spare time
[17:43] <ianorlin> is there a way to get the panel at the bottom to say the date without a mousover of the clock?
[18:00] <ianorlin> nevermind found out how to do it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/CustomizingTheClock
[18:54] <nipi> hello. could someone help with connecting to a vpn please? I've got it set up in Network Connections, but how do I actually connect to it?
[18:55] <SonikkuAmerica> !vpn | With any luck...
[18:56] <nipi> I'm on lubuntu 12.04, and that ends in 10.04 :(
[18:56] <SonikkuAmerica> nipi: VPN should be usable outta the box.
[18:57] <nipi> how? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VPNClient for example talks about opening a network SonikkuAmerica manager applet and clicking on the connection, but I can't find the applet
[18:58] <SonikkuAmerica> That was for 6.10
[18:58] <SonikkuAmerica> In the Lubuntu network manager (== the XFCE network manager), you go down to VPN Connections and select the VPN network you have configured.
[18:59] <SonikkuAmerica> If that doesn't work, make sure "Automatically connect to VPN" is checked on whatever connection it's set up on, and use that from the network manager menu.
[19:03] <nipi> wonder if I'm looking in the wrong place. it's like in https://lh3.ggpht.com/_NXe-USYSZmU/TIjCxcn1ZuI/AAAAAAAADXU/QnwyfBk4ryw/s1600/Screenshot-Network+Connections.png
[19:03] <nipi> just clicking on the created vpn has no effect, and double click is the same as Edit
[19:04] <nipi> connecting automatically might be an option, though I'd prefer being able to choose when I want to connect, if possible...
[19:05] <SonikkuAmerica> nipi: If that's your network manager, try this: http://geekyprojects.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-vpn-connection/
[19:06] <nipi> I don't have a network connection icon. is that another applet that needs to be added from somewhere?
[19:10] <SonikkuAmerica> nipi: If you don't have a network connection icon (a set of up and down arrows or a Wi-Fi fan-out), you may have a corrupted install.
[19:11] <nipi> great...
[19:12] <canin> check the icon is even listed in the panel settings
[19:15] <nipi> there's Network Status Monitor and Manage Networks applets in there, but neither of them have a vpn menu like in the ubuntu screenshots
[19:38] <ianorlin> isn't it also listed under prefrences on the menu
[19:41] <nipi> Network Connections is, but it can only add, remove and edit connections, not actually connect
[19:41] <ianorlin> don't you have to add a connection first?
[19:41] <nipi> yes, through Network Connections
[20:04] <nipi> turns out that there's a bug in 12.04 and the icon is blank. if I click next to the empty area next to the volume icon, I get a vpn connections menu! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/936421
[21:41] <taoseeker> hi superman
[21:41] <superman_> hi
[21:41] <superman_> how do i add a startup application
[21:42] <taoseeker> I have to boot my lubuntu computer
[21:43] <superman_> i want to start something located in /usr/bin/ but lubuntu does not have the same add/remove StartUp Application gui
[21:44] <superman_> is there any way i can install the startup GUI from Ubuntu?
[21:45] <holstein> sure, but it wont do anything superman_
[21:45] <holstein> http://superuser.com/questions/146457/how-do-i-add-startup-applications-in-lubuntu-lxde
[21:45] <holstein> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart
[21:51] <superman_> holstein, so instead of putting the executable file in /usr/bin/ i put it in ~/.config/autostart ?
[21:52] <holstein> superman_: i use openbox.. and i have an autostart config
[21:52] <holstein> i dont put any "executable".. just commands to run
[21:54] <superman_> i'm assuming Type=Application, but i'm not sure about the second command Exec=wicd-client -n, do i replace it with just the location of the file?
[21:55] <lethargicLion> help
[21:55] <holstein> superman_: Add the @skype line in the /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart or /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart file. Refer to LXSession for more information.
[21:55] <holstein> for example.. to autostart skype
[21:55] <holstein> as per the instructions http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart
[21:56] <holstein> making your own autostart, from http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Autostart for example
[21:56] <holstein> the target will be the lxde session, not openbox
[21:57] <lethargicLion> I have a text file with a few hundred lines of text that looks like this-> 7/11/13  123456789         going all the way down to the bottom, how do i cat | cut all the dates out of this text file? and also any number that comes after the middle set of numbers?
[21:57] <superman_> when using the Ubuntu startup gui all i do is name the startup and select the file location
[21:58] <holstein> superman_: sure, and you might prefer unity
[21:58] <holstein> superman_: there are certain "advantages" and GUI's that require overhead
[21:58] <holstein> superman_: the gui is not going to add entries to lxsession.. so you can install it, but it wont do anything
[21:58] <holstein> superman_: what do i do? i create a custom autostart file.. it looks like the ones i linked
[21:59] <superman_> yeah, i'm looking at the lxrandr coding and all i'm confused about is the Exec commands
[21:59] <holstein> superman_: sure
[21:59] <holstein> superman_: so dont use it
[22:00] <holstein> superman_: do it the way i suggested
[22:00] <holstein> making an autostart and adding what you need to is
[22:00] <holstein> it*
[22:12] <superman_> holstein, do you happen to know how to disable Zeitgeist on startup in lubuntu?
[22:14] <Unit193> Could just purge it.
[22:17] <superman_> Unit193, i'm thinking that Zeitgeist might be too intertwined ubuntu and don't want to mess anything up, so disabling on startup is fine
[22:20] <Unit193> http://www.staldal.nu/tech/2011/10/27/how-to-disable-activity-logging-in-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric-ozelot/ but I just purge the thing myself.
[22:21] <superman_> yeah, i found this regarding Zeitgeist and such http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2000108
[22:33] <superman_> are there privacy settings in lubuntu like there are in ubuntu?
[22:34] <superman_> Unit193, did you purge it from ubuntu or lubuntu?
[22:42] <holstein> superman_: if i were worried about privacy, zietgiest wouldnt be on my radar
[22:42] <holstein> superman_: purge it if you have issues, but a machine not running zietgiest is not a "safe" one
[22:42] <holstein> you still have the network to deal with
[22:42] <superman_> i don't think zeitgeist is on lubuntu, which is why it is lightweight, am i wrong?
[22:42] <holstein> i dont think you are wrong
[22:43] <holstein> its just, is zeitgeist heavy?
[22:43] <superman_> i'm assuming it is
[22:43] <holstein> why?
[22:44] <holstein> superman_: try ubuntu live.. install it, check it out
[22:44] <holstein> if you dont need/want it, dont use it
[22:46] <superman_> i actually tried it out on the linux mint then disabled it in the startup app gui, everything was working just fine afterwards
[22:58] <superman_> lubuntu being lightweight means better privacy and ultimately security, whilst still being fully functional
[22:58] <holstein> superman_: where do you get that?
[22:59] <holstein> that is not a by-product of lightness
[23:00] <superman_> zeitgeist is a good example
[23:00] <holstein> sure is
[23:00] <holstein> it has *nothing* to do with security
[23:00] <holstein> or lightness
[23:00] <holstein> you might find the machine more "responsive" if you remove it, but that could be said for anything
[23:00] <holstein> its always a balance
[23:01] <holstein> you might prefer it not to be "spying" on you, or whatever the rationale is .. but it does what it does
[23:01] <holstein> i mean, lubuntu ships with a lighter file manager as well, but that has nothing to do with security
[23:02] <holstein> to assume light = secure is to be setup for an error in your thinking
[23:05] <superman_> i would think a lightweight distro not logging everything you do on your computer from the files you use, to the webpages you visit, to the people you communicate with, would mean better privacy and security for you
[23:05] <holstein> sure.. so dont use it
[23:05] <holstein> but, to assume a lightweight distro is not doing that, and not checking for ones self is to miss the point
[23:06] <holstein> is lubunt doint that? of course not.. but unsafe does not = heavy
[23:07] <superman_> less features or apps, less possible vulnerabilities
[23:09] <holstein> superman_: in theory, but that is not something that can be assumed
[23:09] <holstein> superman_: let me be clear.. assume that if you want, and i literally have no opinion.. the fact is, it *is* an assumption, and it is not always true
[23:10] <holstein> you could have *nothing* installed except an old vulnerable kernel and an ftp server
[23:10] <holstein> that is *quite* light.. and has very few packages
[23:11] <holstein> but, much more vulnerable than stock ubuntu 13.04 out of the box with zietgiest running
[23:11] <superman_> true, but it is easier to maintain the security of a simpler lighter distro
[23:12] <holstein> "easier" is also a matter of opinion
[23:12] <holstein> so is simpler, in some regards.. simpler could be what one is more familiar with
[23:12] <holstein> i am not interested in, nor trying to argue.. just not going to agree with things stated as fact that are not
[23:13] <holstein> i mean, *all* ubuntu versions and debian based systems can be updated the same way.. "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".. that will be not easier, or more challenging on lighter or heavier OS's. it will be *exactly* the same