=== chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [05:23] good morning all [06:27] good morning gusch, thanks a lot for the Weather app reviews yesterday. Just a quick heads up that we're going to start the Weather app hackfest in about ~1h 30 today, so there might be other branches to review or things to discuss on the channel - http://developer.ubuntu.com/2013/07/announcing-the-ubuntu-core-apps-hack-days/ [06:28] dpm: ok - I'm here ;) [06:29] excellent, thanks! :-) [06:32] bzoltan, bzoltan1, timp, good morning! A number of core apps have been hit by bug 1201094 due to recent changes in the SDK. Do you think you could add a comment with some guidelines on how to fix it? [06:32] Launchpad bug 1201094 in Ubuntu Weather App "App content visible behind tab header" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201094 [06:32] dpm: let me see [06:32] dpm: but it feels like the desk of timp === bzoltan1 is now known as bzoltan [06:33] ok, will check with him when he's online [07:17] good morning [07:48] gusch: hey, https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/transparent-header/+merge/174716 can now be tested (CI succeeded) [07:48] oSoMoN: ok, thx [07:57] oSoMoN: approved [07:58] gusch: thanks [08:31] hi timp, around? [08:33] dpm: yes [08:34] timp, morning! Zoltan suggested you'd be the best person to answer this: a number of core apps have been hit by bug 1201094 due to recent changes in the SDK. Do you think you could add a comment with some guidelines on how to fix it? [08:34] Launchpad bug 1201094 in Ubuntu Weather App "App content visible behind tab header" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201094 [08:41] dpm: ok, I added a comment. I am now working on bug 1201452 [08:41] Launchpad bug 1201452 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "[pageStack] PageStack does not save page state" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201452 [08:41] dpm: when I finish I'll check your bug, or perhaps Kaleo is around then and he'll check it first [08:42] ack, thanks timp === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [08:45] Good morning all, happy Corn Fritter Day! :-D [08:46] Kaleo: ^perhaps you can have a look at bug 1201094? Otherwise I will, later today [08:46] Launchpad bug 1201094 in Ubuntu Weather App "App content visible behind tab header" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201094 [08:47] timp: Kaleo: oh yes, please :) [09:00] there is someone of weather app? [09:01] WebbyIT: you have lousy weather and you need someone to blame? ;) [09:02] timp: yes, something like this :P [09:06] WebbyIT: here is sunshine [09:06] m-b-o: here it rains, at least there is a little 'fresh [09:06] WebbyIT: ah. if the IT in your name means what I think it does, then in general you shouldn't have too much to complain about the weather :) [09:07] timp: yeah, there is the game of the double meaning I.T. / Italy :D [09:08] WebbyIT: your ircname gave it away :) [09:15] WebbyIT: approved :) === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-app-devel to: http://developer.ubuntu.com | App development on Ubuntu: how to do it & how to make it better | HackDays! http://bit.ly/12Ux0vM | Tue 17th July is Weather App HackDay! http://bit.ly/13p8AWY | Weather App Bugs: http://bit.ly/12CFYya | Weather App Blueprint: http://bit.ly/18itJYx [09:44] popey: your weekdays and dates are not in sync [09:48] hi m-b-o, thanks for joining the hackfest! :-) [09:48] oof [09:48] hi dpm :) === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-app-devel to: http://developer.ubuntu.com | App development on Ubuntu: how to do it & how to make it better | HackDays! http://bit.ly/12Ux0vM | Tue 16th July is Weather App HackDay! http://bit.ly/13p8AWY | Weather App Bugs: http://bit.ly/12CFYya | Weather App Blueprint: http://bit.ly/18itJYx [09:48] thanks timp ☻ [09:49] popey: np. I'm impressed by your smiley ;) [09:49] err.. emoticon is the correct term [09:51] ah. those are the \u-codes I some times see when I run my irc client on a freebsd machine. when it runs in ubuntu I see what it actually means [09:51] * timp slowly transitioning to the 21st century [09:53] ㋛ [09:57] WebbyIT: are you around? [09:59] m-b-o: yap [10:00] WebbyIT: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1198541 I would not try to solve this (if you have intended to do so) [10:00] Ubuntu bug 1198541 in Ubuntu Weather App "Location results should also show state names for better clarity" [Undecided,Confirmed] [10:01] it can't be solved with openweathermap api, and it's possible that the weather data provider will change [10:01] m-b-o: ups, wrong correlation between branch and bug [10:02] ah, ok :) [10:03] m-b-o: thanks for letting me know :) [10:04] who does the design for the calendar-app? [10:11] dholbach, just a heads-up, it seems I got my wires crossed wrt app categories - what we have in SCA (and thus Click Index) is freedesktop.org categorisation, rather than Debian control file sections. [10:11] aha [10:11] and is that what was used before? does that come from .desktop files? [10:12] dholbach, so what we have is http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-1.0.html#category-registry as opposed to http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections [10:13] I don't know who all needs to be informed about this - do we get the data from .desktop files? click manifest? entered in myapps registration form? [10:13] dholbach, yes, that's in the .desktop files. I'm not sure where the data in SCA comes from - whether it's entered manually or extracted from the .desktop file [10:14] dholbach, but when Argentina comes online I'll probably be able to get an answer pretty quickly. [10:14] great - it'd be good to bring it up on the mailing list as well, so everybody's aware [10:15] and we can get the categories use-case sorted out end-to-end :) [10:15] dholbach, I suspect they'll be entered manually, at least at this stage - I don't *think* we're doing any automatic extraction of anything yet, but it may be existing infrastructure from Software Centre. [10:16] dholbach, I'll drop a mail to the list anyway, yes. :) [10:19] * dholbach hugs JamesTait [10:24] dholbach, the Department and Categories fields are selected from drop-downs by the dev when they're uploading their app, in the "Finding your app" step of the upload. [10:25] ok and the list is put together by using the stuff from the menu spec? [10:25] dholbach, for now, at least - later on we can extract a lot of the data that's currently in those forms from the uploaded file itself. [10:25] ok [10:26] dholbach, I'm not sure who put the list together, but it does look that way. [10:26] ok cool [10:28] dholbach, as regards Debian sections, I'm not sure if they're relevant to Click Packages - I suspect not, because Click Packages aren't (AIUI) part of the apt archive, which is why we have the Click Package Index and all that. ;) [10:28] sure, I just wasn't sure how things worked [10:29] dholbach, I get that a lot too. :) I'm not *at all* familiar with a lot of the desktop stuff. [10:29] But it's all starting to click together now. [10:29] :) [10:29] See what I did there? ;) [10:29] * JamesTait needs tea. [10:30] lol [10:30] :) === greyback is now known as greyback|food === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:15] popey, I seem to remember you wrote some instructions to install and test core apps from bzr in the wiki, but I don't seem to find them. Do you happen to have the link handy? [12:16] hmm, i did. === greyback|food is now known as greyback [12:17] i think the document I created was pasted into this, used by the design team, and maintained by callum.. https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1P0rHOk8muyI3GHHE_CBj0whetzUcoa_7gUhxpxjJG6A/edit === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:21] popey, yeah, looks like it. So the public wiki page was removed? :/ === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:32] ah, it wasn't removed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/InstallingTesting [12:53] timp: I'll leave it to you [13:39] fginther: ping [13:39] mhall119, pong [13:40] fginther: would it be possible to make and upload core apps packages to precise without having to run autopilot on them, if autopilot runs and passes for other releases? [13:42] mhall119, yes, that's what were currently doing. We only run autopilot tests on raring, but we upload all 4 series if everything passes [13:44] fginther: ah, didn't realize we had that going now [13:44] mhall119, we do a package build test on all four series [13:44] thanks [13:45] mhall119, autopilot has only been enabled for 2 packages which started with 100% passing tests [13:45] mhall119, other packages have tests, but they didn't initially all pass. These are being re-evaluated as fixes are mede. [13:47] mhall119, yeah, I just noticed that after the conversation with Francis: we've already got daily packages for core apps for 12.04 in the PPA [13:54] Kaleo: okay [13:59] dpm: just published http://mhall119.com/2013/07/ubuntu-weather-app-hackfest/ [13:59] nice, thanks mhall119! [13:59] * dpm promotes [14:12] Hello [14:12] I don't know if I am in the right place [14:12] my name is Kris, I am from the University of Toronto, I was looking for more information about the ubuntu app hackathons [14:13] krinye: you are indeed in the right place :) [14:13] I believe the weather one is the one people are working on this next [14:13] krinye: yup, there are some bugs that need fixing and tests that need writing, but overall the weather app is pretty far along [14:14] krinye: how would you like to get involved? [14:19] krinye: we have a development guide for the Core Apps, which covers how to get the code and how to submit your changes back: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/DevelopmentGuide [14:19] you'll also need the Ubuntu SDK packages installed, instructions for that are here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/ [14:20] a good way to start is to get the code, look through it and run the app to get a feel for things [14:20] then pick an Autopilot test that needs writing, or a bug that needs fixing, and give it a shot [14:20] you can always ask for additional help or guidance in here [14:23] Awesome sauce!!! [14:24] let me start on that I will pop by the next couple of days to ask more questions [14:24] thanks again for the info! [15:26] hi folks, to test Wather app, i need an image of Ubuntu Phone OS or just my ubuntu 13.04? [15:28] jonathas, you mean the weather indicator? It should be the same. [15:28] jonathas, Hi, just your ubuntu 13.04 :) You can download sources from bzr and run it in Qt [15:28] jo-erlend: i think jonathas is talking about the weather app, given the /topic [15:28] jonathas: you can run it on an ubuntu 13.04 desktop, sure [15:28] ah. :) [15:29] jo-erlend, yeah, weather app [15:29] PaoloRotolo, popey, PaoloRotolo thanks! [15:29] jonathas, you're welcome :) [15:30] It seems it'll take me some time to get fully informed again. I've been away for some time. :) [15:30] salem_, boiko hey! if you guys need CI jobs setup for the splitted apps (or any for that matter), you can ask me as well. [15:30] mhall119, all set? [15:30] yup [15:31] om26er, ah cool! thanks. Not sure if boiko already asked sergio, but we need ci jobs for messaging-app and dialer-app. [15:37] Kaleo, timp, the Popover is not following the mainwindow theme [15:37] renato_: what doe you mean with that? [15:37] I am using the "SuruGradient" but the popover is created in the withe color [15:38] white [15:39] renato_: I don't see a PopoverForegroundStyle.qml in the SuruGradient theme, so expect it to be the same as the default theme [15:40] renato_: the theme currently only has a different style for MainView, and a different color palette [15:40] renato_: are there visual designs for a popover with the SuruGradient theme? [15:44] boiko: can you do a quick MR? https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-visual-copyright/+merge/175018 [15:46] timp, the problem is that I am using a popover with a ListItem inside, the listitem has withe font which make impossible to read since the popover is white too [15:46] *white [15:46] the list item is following the dark theme but the popover not [15:46] which make impossible to read [15:48] renato_: sounds like a bug in the color palette [15:48] Kaleo, timp, and the toolbar still white with dark theme which looks ugly [15:49] timp ok I will report a bug [15:50] renato_: yes the color ("overlay") for both toolbar and popover is very light grey in SuruDark and SuruGradient. [15:50] renato_: add it to the Ubuntu UX project also so a designer can have a look at it [15:51] thanks :) [16:02] timp, Kaleo https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1201864 [16:02] Ubuntu bug 1201864 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "[popover] Impossible to read ListItems inside a popover when using SuruDark theme" [Undecided,New] [16:03] Kaleo, do you know if I should use "SuruDark" or SuruGradient for core apps? [16:13] renato_: usually SuruGradient, but check with the designer [16:21] renato_: can you do a quick MR? https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-visual-copyright/+merge/175018 [16:21] gusch, looking [16:21] renato_: thx [16:22] gusch, I notice that some projects contains the COPYING.CC file, do you think that we should add this to all projects? [16:25] Kaleo, timp, when do you intent to fix the suru theme? [16:26] renato_: for the popover there is a MR that should fix it already [16:26] renato_: https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/popover_efficient_rendering/+merge/174527 [16:26] Kaleo, ok nice, my MR is blocked because of that [16:27] renato_: ok, we just need to get timp to review the prereq MR: https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/popover_simpler_layouting/+merge/174522 [16:27] :) [16:27] timp: ^ [16:32] gusch: just back from lunch, I think renato already took care of your MR, right? [16:32] seb128, which was the gstreamer 1.0 plugin you mentioned yesterday I should install for playing mp3 with the music app instead of the 0.10 version? [16:32] as in which package? [16:32] dpm, I gave you the url to the package yesterday... [16:32] Kaleo: approving [16:32] * seb128 looks for it again [16:33] Kaleo: I got caught up in another bug [16:33] seb128, I know, I can't find it in my irc logs for some reason :/ [16:33] dpm, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer-fluendo-plugins-partner/1:0.10.21-1 [16:33] dpm, gstreamer1.0-fluendo-plugins-mp3-partner [16:33] * dpm hugs seb128 [16:33] * seb128 hugs dpm back [16:33] thanks! [16:33] dpm, but make sure your code actually use gstreamer1.0 [16:33] dpm, yw! [16:33] yeah, I'll check. Qt Multimedia is supposed to make it totally transparent, and I guess this is the best opportunity to see if it's actually true :) [16:36] renato_: approved https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-keyboard-visibility/+merge/174503 [16:36] renato_: thank you very muchj [16:38] timp: thanks! [16:46] How to get an application when download an application? | http://askubuntu.com/q/320721 [16:50] Kaleo, great, thanks [16:51] renato_: so actually I was wrong the color of text in list items in popover (#1201864) won't be fixed by that MR [16:51] renato_: I'm going to think quite a bit more about it [16:52] renato_: sorry [16:53] Kaleo: ping [16:55] nik90: pong [16:55] Kaleo: I had a question regarding the Theme.palette usage when using the suru themes. [16:56] nik90: shoot [16:56] here in this mockup http://ubuntuone.com/6DGNnsKGtQtF5e58pG42f7 [16:56] which theme.palette color should I use for the swipe delete element? [16:56] (the dark purple one showing the delete text) [16:57] I tried base, field etc. but they do not seem to work. Should I be defining my own color here? === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [17:00] nik90: let me see [17:01] nik90: in the toolkit's gallery we are using Theme.palette.normal.base [17:01] nik90: yeah, that should be the right one [17:02] nik90: do you have code I can try?. [17:02] Kaleo: yes. https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/apply-visual-design-colors [17:04] Kaleo: another question: Do we have to specify the color of the text explicitly by Theme.palette.normal.baseText? Or is it okay to let it take the default text color? [17:06] nik90: where? [17:06] nik90: you are writing your own widget here essentially therefore you need to specify the colors yourself (Label does nothing smart) [17:06] Kaleo: ah ok. [17:07] Kaleo: for the delete widget color, I already tried Theme.palette.normal.base. But it doesnt show a darker shade purple [17:09] nik90: well, it should be the right color [17:09] nik90: essentially it's the same color we use as a background for the switch for example [17:09] nik90: or the slider [17:09] nik90: who's the designer? [17:10] Kaleo: lina and mehow [17:10] nik90: ok, check with them I would say [17:11] Kaleo: will do [17:11] nik90: that color right now is #19000000 [17:11] nik90: ie black with 19 opacity in hexadecimal [17:11] nik90: ie. 10% opacity [17:11] Kaleo: my background gradient branch is almost complete then. Lets hope the new ubuntushape widget lands soon [17:12] nik90: nice :) [17:12] nik90: why the new shape? [17:12] nik90: so, the new shape won't be good for the clock actually; we will need something custom made for that; the shape is not meant to make circles [17:13] Kaleo: really? I thought loicm told me that he was making the ubuntushape useable as a circle as well [17:13] nik90: (in the light theme Theme.palette.normal.base is slightly more opaque: #1A000000) [17:13] nik90: yeah but it's not going to be 1) efficient 2) enough for all your needs [17:14] nik90: we'll have to discuss it once the new shape is there :) [17:14] Kaleo: I really do not know to implement that 3d shape with the cool shadows etc. [17:14] Kaleo: yes [17:18] nik90: we'll help :) [17:19] Kaleo: :) [17:20] nik90: so about the color [17:20] nik90: ask them if it should be the same as the background color of the slider & switch [17:21] nik90: if yes, then something's wrong in their designs [17:21] Kaleo: okay. [17:21] nik90: if not, then it may be something you have to set manually for now [17:21] Kaleo: I think you mean if not, then something's wrong in their designs [17:21] nik90: color from the mockup seems to be black with 30% opacity [17:22] Kaleo: so the issue is that this widget color (from design) is different the default slider background color. I will ask them on thursday [17:22] nik90: right [17:23] nik90: Rosie chose the colors for the toolkit widgets (slider&switch) [17:23] nik90: and it's black 10% opacity [17:23] nik90: in this mockup, for this other widget, they picked black 30% opacity [17:23] Kaleo: ok. And the clock app design is 30% opacity [17:23] nik90: either it's meant to be different [17:23] got it [17:23] nik90: which is fine [17:23] nik90: or there is something to resolve :) [17:24] nik90: hope that helps [17:24] Kaleo, do you know if is possible to use the TextInput without borders? [17:24] TextField [17:24] Kaleo: yup thnx for your help [17:24] nik90: everything else worked to your linking? [17:25] Kaleo: Also is there a standard search widget in the plans? [17:25] renato_: hmm, the way we do it right now in some apps is to set a custom style [17:25] Kaleo: yeah everything else regarding the background gradient works fine. [17:25] renato_: style: TextFieldStyle { [17:25] background: Item {} [17:25] } [17:26] nik90: yes, kalikiana is working on the search widget [17:26] Kaleo: perfect :) [17:26] renato_: see calculator app ubuntu-calculator-app/Simple/CalcLabel.qml [17:26] renato_: you'll need to import Ubuntu.Components.Themes.Ambiance 0.1 [17:29] renato_: does that work? [17:29] renato_: (wondering also, what's the design that requires it?) [17:32] Kaleo, works, but the input field has a left margin and I do not know how to remove it === coolstar- is now known as coolstar [17:36] renato_: right, the notes app does it [17:36] renato_: Components/TextDelegate.qml [17:36] renato_: frameSpacing: 0 [17:36] renato_: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5881592/ === d_kessel is now known as dkessel [17:39] renato_: it will look a bit more natural than import Ubuntu.Components.Themes.Ambiance 0.1 later [17:39] renato_: probably will change to import Ubuntu.Components.Styles 0.1 [17:40] renato_: and it will be documented [17:40] renato_: anyhow [17:40] renato_: it should work [17:41] Kaleo, does not work [17:41] renato_: wha'ts wrong? [17:42] the margin stills [17:42] if I use a simple TextInput works [17:43] but using the TextField does not work even if I change the style [17:43] renato_: maybe it's overlaySpacing then [17:43] renato_: apparently frameSpacing is for TextArea [17:43] renato_: and overlaySpacing for TextField [17:43] renato_: go figure why [17:43] Kaleo, yes works [17:43] thanks [17:44] renato_: DONE [17:44] Kaleo, btw I am using the suru theme [17:44] is it nice? [17:45] renato_: oh, you mean about the import [17:45] renato_: yeah better to import SuruGradient then [17:46] (or whichever you use) [17:46] boiko: ping [17:46] gusch: pong [17:46] renato_: oh, no hang on [17:46] renato_: you can't do that [17:46] renato_: only importing Ambiance will work [17:46] renato_: interesting.. [17:46] renato_: there is a failure in the system then [17:47] boiko: can you do a quick review? https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-fatser-dtae-compare/+merge/175089 [17:47] renato_: but that should not block you [17:47] Kaleo, yeah I will keep the import ambience for now [17:48] r ok [17:48] gusch: is the branch name meant to be named like that or is that a typo? :) [17:48] renato_: ok [17:48] gusch: approved@ [17:48] boiko: not only one ;) [17:48] boiko: thx [17:49] boiko: mybe this one as well? https://code.launchpad.net/~schwann/gallery-app/gallery-visual-copyright/+merge/175018 [17:50] gusch: which reminds me I need to do the same for phone-app, but now I will wait and to that in the splitted apps [17:51] boiko: I waited for long enought ;) - thx [17:52] gusch: approved. === coolstar is now known as iFail777 === iFail777 is now known as coolstar [18:33] I find it a little strange that people are focusing on a weather app as a core-app for Ubuntu Phone rather than focusing on something like good Anyremote support. Because if you can use your Ubuntu phone as a remote control for your presentations, desktop, music and video – out of the box, then that makes both Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Phone much more attractive. Weather, on the other hand, is something you can easily find on the [18:33] web. Sure, it's nice, but I don't think anyone will choose Ubuntu because of it. [18:34] jo-erlend: My best possible is that the core apps was initially started out with apps which are essential for basic phone usage [18:34] exactly. Weather isn't. [18:35] jo-erlend: and then slowly they started adding apps which were mature and also usefuly [18:35] jo-erlend: I like to think weather is more useful than a presentation app which might only apply to a smaller subset of people [18:35] nik90, I'm not talking about a presentation app. I'm talking about a remote control that can be used with almost any Ubuntu application. [18:36] jo-erlend: I've got to disagree with you, a weather app will hit a much larger audience then a presentation control thingy [18:36] Anyremote does a very good job at that, but it's not at all polished and can be rather confusing to configure. However, when it works, it's very nice. [18:36] The time it takes for you to launch the web browser, put in your query or open your favorites > time to open a weather app [18:37] sure. I'm not saying the weather app is bad. Quite the contrary. It looks very nice. But I don't see it as a core app. [18:37] jo-erlend: do you mean an app which allows you to control your music player or running on your phone from your desktop and vice versa? [18:38] Your control thingy could be good, but as something people whom specifically need it should download it on the to be 'app store thingy', it will just be an annoying icon for most people [18:38] jo-erlend: feel free to develop an app. [18:38] however, being able to control all your Ubuntu applications, including Totem, Rhythmbox, Firefox, Evince, LibreOffice, etc using your handheld device, is very nice. I currently do that in Android. [18:39] jo-erlend, we are focusing on weather as many phones ship with a weather app and it isnt a huge amount of work to focus on [18:39] jo-erlend: you can work on a remote control app while others work on a weather app :) [18:39] ah, as popey said :) [18:39] indeed :-) [18:39] jo-erlend: if the app is mature and found useful, I am positive it can be made a core app. [18:40] I have found other apps like sudoku, dropping-letters being added to the core apps program [18:40] what is dropping-letters? I saw it on the wiki but without information [18:40] It is a matter of finding people to help develop them [18:40] its a game [18:40] timp: its a nice game [18:40] type words with the falling letters [18:41] nik90, popey sounds nice... you have to type the words away? how do you do that without a keyboard? [18:41] yes, you tap the latters [18:41] without a *physical8 keyboard [18:41] *letters [18:42] its fun [18:42] I guess I have to try it out to understand [18:42] was the first ever game on ubuntu touch [18:42] yeah [18:42] ☻ [18:42] popey: there was another first [18:42] unity ;) [18:42] hah [18:42] :) [18:43] Hello [18:45] kenvandine: you around? [18:50] hey Kaleo [18:54] kenvandine: I introduced a bug in the friends app [18:54] nice :) [18:54] kenvandine: actually, I just made it a lot more visible [18:54] Kaleo, what's that? [18:54] kenvandine: the header was never hiding before [18:55] kenvandine: but now on top of that the list of posts goes over it [18:55] kenvandine: (it's not clipped by it) [18:56] mhall119: you know martin boro? [18:56] Kaleo: This is actually a bug in the weather app as well. [18:57] Kaleo: this is most likely a bug in the sdk [18:57] mhall119: dev of the weather app [18:57] Kaleo, is that only while scrolling? [18:57] nik90: it looks like the same but it's different [18:57] nik90: and neither of these issues are bugs in the toolkit actually [18:57] kenvandine: yes [18:57] what do i need to do to fix it [18:58] kenvandine: you need to have the first child of each Page to be the ListView itself [18:58] Kaleo: yeah, m-b-o on IRC [18:58] mhall119: he is not here is he [18:58] so it's really just the order? [18:58] Kaleo: oh. I assumed it was due to the sdk, since it started happening only recently [18:58] Kaleo: not now, but he was earlier today [18:58] nik90: a change in the toolkit just made the wrong code more wrong [18:58] Kaleo: :) [18:59] mhall119: ok, we just need to have https://code.launchpad.net/~martin-borho/ubuntu-weather-app/Bug1201094 landed [18:59] kenvandine: well, yes [18:59] kenvandine: we only look if any of the children is a Flickable to do the smart hiding of the header [18:59] kenvandine: not any of the *descendants* [19:00] kenvandine: (and while you are at it you probably want to remove that ugly white background :)) [19:00] so should i make the child flickable? [19:00] kenvandine: no, just move up the ListView [19:00] (ListView inherits from Flickable) [19:01] kenvandine: alternatively there is a 'flickable' property on the page [19:01] kenvandine: that you can set [19:01] (on Page) [19:01] that is what i was just doing :) [19:01] kenvandine: :) [19:04] jono, but convergence is important to Ubuntu. So far, it seems to be about making one device able to act as different things. But enabling one device to control another should also be part of the convergence story, I think. [19:04] jo-erlend, right, but that is not really a core app [19:04] it is a cool app [19:05] wow. [19:05] and you are certainly free to write that app [19:05] Weather should be a core app, but Ubuntu should not? :) [19:06] jo-erlend, I never said that [19:06] I don't think a unified remote control is an app, it is a system function [19:06] but we nominated weather as a core app many folks will want [19:06] jo-erlend, in any case, who cares, we are already working on weather, and we are not stopping others from writing a remote :-) [19:06] oh, I see. Yes, I can understand that point. [19:07] right :) [19:09] I'd _really_ like to see a port of PokerTH as a core-app. I'd like to see it preinstalled in Ubuntu Desktop as well. Has to be one of the best open source games around. [19:09] *boggle* [19:10] the definition of "core app" isn't "whatever app jo-erlend uses most on his phone" you know? ☻ [19:10] hehe [19:10] jo-erlend, can you help write these apps you want? [19:10] lol [19:10] jono, I've been thinking about writing an anyremote frontend, yes. [19:10]