[00:11] <asac> doanac: not sure if you are off... maybe you could run through all those 0/0 jobs before going off one more time?
[00:11] <asac> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/2999/
[00:11] <asac> that one also doesnt have a few
[00:11] <asac> like security etc.
[00:41] <asac> anyone knows who to talk to if there are broken panda's here: http://s-jenkins:8080/computer/ ?
[04:30] <pitti> Good morning
[07:24] <jibel> good morning
[09:15] <cking> gema, yesterday I asked about the power testing that's not been working for > 3 weeks and you said you would give me an ETA on that. Do you have an ETA on your ETA?
[09:15] <gema> cking: yes, next week I will discuss it with plars and get them running again
[09:16] <gema> he is on holidays this week
[09:16] <gema> we are going to use the extra fluke for that
[09:16] <gema> cking: there has been a miscomunication somewhere and we dropped the ball
[09:16] <gema> cking: sorry about that
[09:16] <cking> so I guess end of next week at the earliest then
[09:16] <gema> cking: yes
[09:18] <cking> ok, thanks for the info, it informs me how I can sanity check the latest kernel PM issues
[09:20] <gema> cking: I will try to get traction on that this week if there is a regression
[09:21] <cking> i guess I need to get some kit rigged up and look at the latest kernel to see whats going on, I'm running tight on time on this issue
[09:30] <gema> cking: ok, i will check with larry later today if we can speed up the hooking of that fluke for you to be able to run the tests if that'd help
[09:32] <cking> it would be useful to see what's being happening in the past few weeks as I'm sure there may be a power regression but I've got no supporting data to inform me how to make a rational decision at the moment
[09:40] <cking> gema, you realise that there is a risk of get different results with a different fluke meter if they've not been recently calibrated. so putting another fluke meter on this test may give misleading data
[09:46] <cking> gema, last week I sent an email with some prototyped mobile probes that work in UTAH, I was wondering if these will get integrated into the tests, I guess I was wondering how we proceed on this as I've not heard any feedback for week
[10:25] <cking> hrm
[10:58] <gema> cking: andy is working on that
[10:58] <gema> cking: but it is not his higher priority this week
[10:59] <cking> ack
[10:59] <gema> cking: we've been talking to the guys in NZ as well to coordinate the autopilot and utah efforts
[10:59] <gema> cking: but it is not their higher priority either because the testing is in so bad shape
[10:59] <gema> (functional)
[10:59] <gema> that we need to help fix it
[11:00] <cking> yep, I realize it needs some more love
[11:00] <gema> cking: a lot of it
[11:00] <gema> cking: so we haven't forgotten you, we've just been sent on a mission to put the world in autopilot
[11:00] <gema> and we are still working on the probing in the background
[11:01] <gema> cking: we can put the old fluke for the old testing and use the new one for the new testing
[11:01] <gema> cking: I have no idea how rfowler and sconklin are calibrating the flukes
[11:01] <gema> cking: it may be worth for you to talk to rfowler
[11:01] <gema> and steve
[11:01] <gema> and figure it out
[11:01] <cking> ack
[11:02] <gema> cking: I will keep you posted anyway, I am trying to flesh out all we are doing in nicely followable BPs
[11:02] <gema> including the PS QA part of the team
[11:02] <cking> the old fluke on the "old" tests is advisable, since we don't want to introduce another H/W change that will affect the results over time
[11:03] <gema> cking: absolutely
[11:03] <gema> cking: please follow up with rfowler and make sure he understands that
[11:03] <gema> cking: assuming they haven't recalibrated it in the process of hooking it to puts
[11:03] <cking> gema, I can communitate that to him, but I can't vouch that it will be understood, that's out of my control
[11:04] <gema> cking: ok, I can be with you in that meeting
[11:04] <gema> and make sure we are all in sync
[11:04] <gema> let me schedule something
[11:05] <cking> no, let me send an email, meetings kill my life - they take too many man resources
[11:05] <gema> cking: ack
[11:05] <gema> cking: but I don't see people's faces when they read it, so it makes more difficult to get all the questions asked and answered
[11:05] <gema> that's the only reason I wanted to have us all talking for 30 mins and make sure everybody is in sync
[11:06] <gema> cking: send it and I will meet with him
[12:07] <cjohnston> mornin
[13:31] <sm0x2> Hey guys, i'm new and my girlfriend has a problem with Unity, there are  sometimes freezes. Has anyone tipps and tricks to create a really good BugReport?
[13:37] <jibel> sm0x2, hi, there are guidelines on the wiki https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs to create good bug report, a complete freeze of the system could be a kernel or graphics driver issue
[13:38] <jibel> sm0x2, #ubuntu-bugs on freenode is a more appropriate channel for questions about bugs
[14:03] <gema> cking: the meter is back in place, I just need to get someone to reenable those tests
[14:03] <cking> gema, thanks \o/
[14:03] <gema> :)
[14:56] <DanChapman> afternoon all :-)
[15:28] <DanChapman> balloons, I really don't get what's going on with firefox on jenkins. Grrrr!
[15:37] <balloons> DanChapman, :-( sorry to hear that!
[15:51] <elopio> balloons: now I have the approval for the first emulator branch, but it failed to lande due to an unrelated unstable test.
[15:51] <elopio> this is not an easy road :)
[15:51] <elopio> I've fixed the unstable test, now asking again for reviews.
[15:53] <balloons> elopio, thank you for traversing the road
[15:53] <balloons> virtual beers for you sir1
[15:54] <balloons> DanChapman, did you land the changes to the ff test?
[15:54]  * balloons notes this is why we like introspection :-)
[15:55] <elopio> virtual beers, that's what makes it worth it ;)
[15:55] <DanChapman> balloons, yeah but its now the tabs_and_windows test failing which has been passing up til now. Will see what todays run brings. Might be a one off
[15:55] <balloons> elopio, when we meet again you can convert those into the real thing :-)
[15:56] <elopio> now we are talking!
[15:56] <elopio> (I'm joking, of course. I do it for the lolz)
[15:57]  * elopio goes back to work.
[15:57] <balloons> elopio, do you surf?
[15:58] <elopio> balloons: I've just done it once, a couple of weeks ago. I suck.
[15:58] <balloons> elopio, :-) I saw the picture and wondered if it was you or not
[15:58]  * balloons lets elopio go back to work mode
[16:00] <elopio> balloons: yes, that was me. My brother gave me surf lessons as a present. It was fun, but I see no future there :)
[16:01] <balloons> elfy, lol.. well I don't surf, but if I did I would kitesurf.. Instead I kitebuggy on the beaches here.. Can you drive on the beaches where your at? Are they hard packed sand?
[16:03] <elopio> I've never seen somebody doing it here. It's soft sand, mostly.
[16:04] <elopio> I suppose it would work in some beaches. It looks fun.
[16:07] <elfy> balloons: I don't either, and where I live the beaches are stones ...
[16:07] <balloons> elfy, sorry for the ping.. tab complete and all.. elopio, elfy ...
[16:07] <elfy> :p
[16:08] <elfy> I never tab fail - everyone will tell you ...
[16:08] <balloons> I mean.. I meant to do that!
[16:08] <balloons> of course, elfy you and I talk surfing all the time
[16:08] <elfy> lol
[16:55] <jibel> DanChapman, I'll enable video recording if it helps figuring out the issue with firefox, I'll try to do that this evening
[17:06] <DanChapman> jibel, that would help alot. Thanks :-)
[17:37] <balloons> jibel, xnox  you still about?
[17:38] <jibel> balloons, more or less
[17:38] <jibel> balloons, how can I help?
[17:38] <balloons> I'm trying to schedule a hangout with yourself me and DanChapman_ about getting ubiquity autopilot running..
[17:39] <balloons> I'm scheduling now and thought it would be useful to see if you were around to make sure I picked a good time for you :-)
[17:39] <xnox> balloons: well, I am London time. So it's paste my end of day now, and I should be in the swimming pool =) but instead I am finishing up on android build.
[17:40] <jibel> balloons, not tomorrow between 1430 and 1600 utc anything else will be fine
[17:41] <balloons> can we do thursday at 1500 UTC xnox and jibel?
[17:41] <balloons> xnox, I shan't be the reason your not in the pool!
[17:41] <xnox> balloons: pitti at one stage looked at getting ubiquity autopilot running in the lab, as far as I remember. pitti, did you succeed in tricking partman into believing which devices are available?
[17:41] <xnox> might be late for pitti, as well now.
[17:41] <balloons> xnox, yes, jibel has an idea for how we can run it.. I just thought we could all sit and chat and figure it out :-)
[17:41] <xnox> balloons: anything finishing before 17:30 UTC should be fine.
[17:42] <balloons> kk, invites on the way
[17:42] <xnox> ack.
[17:42] <balloons> enjoy your evenings!
[17:43] <jibel> balloons, I even have something nearly working, it is just a bit slow because it is running in qemu and rendering performance is, hm, low
[17:43] <jibel> balloons, I tried on hardware by faking disk devices with a device mapper or scsi_debug, but well partman didn't like this option,
[17:44] <balloons> jibel, supposedly accelerated qemu is coming this year
[17:44] <jibel> balloons, so, ok to talk on thursday
[17:44] <balloons> jibel, yes indeed.. :-)
[18:02] <dkessel> balloons, i could watch the 50 minute long video now - or i could hack some test(s) today ;)
[18:02] <balloons> dkessel, howdy!
[18:02] <balloons> dkessel, have an app in mind? If not, I have something in mind for you :-)
[18:03] <dkessel> balloons, just noticed your mail about the video in my spam folder.... bad bad spam filter...
[18:03] <dkessel> balloons, what do you suggest?
[18:03] <balloons> dkessel, :-p
[18:03] <balloons> dkessel, the music app.. It's recently been through the hack day and is getting more and more into shape
[18:03] <balloons> it needs tests for everything.. I don't even think it has the basic layout merged yet
[18:05] <dkessel> ok. let me update the branch and see about the check tests bugs...
[18:19] <balloons> phillw, ping
[18:24] <dkessel> mhall119, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/Music has broken links in the "release schedule" section
[18:50] <mhall119> dkessel: thanks, I'll fix it
[18:51] <mhall119> hmmm, music team isn't on status.u.c
[18:55] <phillw> balloons: pong
[18:55] <balloons> phillw, saw your WIP for the activities page
[18:55] <phillw> thoughts?
[18:55] <balloons> just wanted to see what you had in mind for the contributing testcases side, etc
[18:56] <balloons> I might want to see a 1 sentence description with the links, but I like the direction
[18:56] <balloons> I'm worried about the top piece however, it's getting to be more than a page before the actual content, heh
[18:56] <phillw> I'll be hunting down the various wiki pages, mentioning the tutorial sessions etc.
[18:57] <balloons> right.. so, keep at it
[18:57] <balloons> ty!
[18:58] <phillw> I'll re-do the classroom bit, I think it should be moved to the quality classroom wiki page.
[18:59] <balloons> right, and linking should be easier after the changes
[18:59] <phillw> yes, it took a while to create all the sub pages :D
[19:13] <dkessel> mhall119, can you point me to where the "real code" (logic, etc) of the music app is? i'm stumbling from file to file but can't find where it actually populates it's database...
[19:14] <mhall119> dkessel: meta-database.js does the music file scanning
[19:15] <dkessel> mhall119, =) ok then i must have skipped over that. thanks
[19:15] <mhall119> dkessel: though the real heavy-lifting is done in the nemo folderlistmodel plugin
[19:17] <dkessel> hm. to be more specific: i've written a setup step for my autopilot test. it creates a temp dir, then sets $HOME to point to the temp dir... copies music into $HOME/Music... and i expected the app to find the music file. but it doesn't seem to. the album list is coming up empty.
[19:19] <dkessel> mhall119, ^ and now i wonder if the music app code is even the right place to look...
[19:21] <mhall119> dkessel: might be better to email the app's developers, I'm only vaguely familiar with it
[19:22] <mhall119> dkessel: ping danielholm in #ubuntu-app-devel
[19:23] <dkessel> mhall119, ok
[19:50] <balloons> mhall119, dkessel thanks
[19:50] <balloons> dkessel, you wanted something exciting right?
[19:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, Hi
[19:50] <dkessel> balloons, :P I am now mailing danielholm, and will wait for a response the other day then....
[19:50] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello
[19:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, just to let you know I proposed a merge for sudoku app the hint button test, fixed it and completed it
[19:51] <balloons> dkessel, ty.. if you just want to push the basic layout that would be helpful by itself
[19:51] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh excellent!
[19:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, :-)
[19:52] <dkessel> balloons, all I have now are two tiny helper methods to help setup a test. If you think that makes sense to merge already... sure..
[19:53] <balloons> dkessel, ahh, I see the layout is there
[19:53] <balloons> I was thinking that it wasn't.. meaning no autopilot folder, etc
[19:53] <balloons> so, ignore my comment :-)
[19:59] <thomi_> morning
[20:11] <dkessel> good evening thomi
[20:47] <Noskcaj> balloons, would you still e able to attend the testdrive hackfest if it's during the weekend?
[20:48] <balloons> Noskcaj, depends :-) Summer is very busy for me, as you can imagine... If you tell me the date and time, I'll be able to answer. i'd like to attend
[20:49] <Noskcaj> ok. It will probably be early august, that's as close to fitting everyone as i can get.
[20:51] <balloons> Noskcaj, if it happens in august I probably can't make it. I'll be off the internet :-p
[20:51] <Noskcaj> oh, ok
[20:51] <balloons> earlier in the month is better.. I kid a little, but yea, I'll be disconnected much of the month
[20:54] <Noskcaj> I'm hoping one of the first weekends to skip different freezes
[20:55] <balloons> that's a good chance then of me being able to make it :-)
[21:14] <phillw> balloons: ready for idiot checking (I mean proof-cheking :P ) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Activities
[21:15] <SergioMeneses> looool
[21:15]  * SergioMeneses says hi everybody
[21:16] <balloons> phillw, ohh nice.. I want to make some edits!
[21:19] <phillw> balloons: feel more than free to dive on to it! My brain is now fuzzy :D
[21:22] <phillw> balloons: I've still to add in the Logo for testing etc. I'm just having a break, wiki editing is quite intense when you are jumping between various tabs, creating pages etc :)
[21:22] <balloons> ohh no doubt
[21:22] <balloons> my edit will be up in a moment
[21:23] <phillw> balloons: if you could have a go at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Activities#What_can_I_do.3F to bring it into the format I've used for the rest of the page, that'd be a great help!
[21:24] <balloons> phillw, ok basic re-arranging is done
[21:24] <phillw> It needs really, to mention that we do both cadence testing and milestone testing depending on the flavours
[21:25] <phillw> balloons: thnx, the 'who we are' was added as Noskaj had mentioned it, and I do think that listing us and our machines is useful :)
[21:26] <balloons> the content itself needs tweaked, but the layout is better I think
[21:29] <phillw> yes, I think it's better to make up a page covering alphas, betas and RCs. I have the basic format at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Testing so it is not a horrendous task for me to do :)
[21:33] <Noskcaj> I've made a wiki page for the testdrive hackfest at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Testdrive/Hackfest
[21:44] <phillw> Noskcaj: get it added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hackfest
[21:49] <Noskcaj> phillw, shouldn't i wait for a final date to do that?
[21:53] <Noskcaj> added
[21:56] <Noskcaj> I've also posted it to the Quality FB page and am awaiting a retweet from the Quality twitter
[21:58] <phillw> Noskcaj: yeah, having a final date is good, but leeting people know it is upcoming is also good :)
[21:59] <Noskcaj> Somewhere on the activities page you should reference that testdrive exists, it will help newcomers get set up.
[21:59] <phillw> balloons: I've moved 'flask192x192.png' to the correct area, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IconsPage It can now be used anywhere on the QA area by simply to it. No need to upload it to each page you wish to use it on.
[22:01] <phillw> Noskcaj: testdrive, Vbox and KVM are mentioned in the classroom sessions as part of 'the tools we use'. I'm open to ideas of having more things mentioned, but I've spent quite a lot of time getting  the current activities page into something that nearly follows best guide for wiki formatting!
[22:05] <phillw> balloons: that worked! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Activities
[22:07] <SergioMeneses> phillw, awesome!
[22:07] <phillw> Noskcaj: the "Who are we" section is not only mentioned, but was promoted by the boss :D
[22:07] <Noskcaj> Everything looks ready for it to go live
[22:08] <phillw> SergioMeneses: It's nearly ready... needs people to check out that all the links work and that nothing from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities has been  lost (I nearly missed the contributing to test cases section... )_
[22:10] <phillw> Noskcaj: I've just to redo the section covering cadence testing and add in milestone testing.
[22:10] <SergioMeneses> I see  but when you was working on it didn't you check it?
[22:12] <phillw> SergioMeneses: when doing this type of 'destroy and re-create', it is possible to lose information (Or, in my case, an entire section). I had 3 editing tabs open most of the time, some times more. It is quite 'fun' to so such a re-write, but it deperately needed doing and I had a a couple of days between milestones where I could attack it full on.
[22:12] <phillw> *desperately*
[22:13] <SergioMeneses> phillw, you're right such things happen
[22:14] <SergioMeneses> phillw, I can check it out if you want to
[22:14] <SergioMeneses> is this link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Activities right?
[22:25] <dkessel> bye balloons - i'll keep on trying to get tests for the music app going, currently in mail contact with one of the authors... see you around, i'm late for bed.
[22:25] <balloons> dkessel, see you! thanks mate
[22:26] <balloons> phillw, that looks very nice
[22:26] <balloons> makes you want to fix the content even more :-p
[22:54] <SergioMeneses> phillw, around?
[22:56] <SergioMeneses> phillw, all link are working https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Activities good work
[23:06] <phillw> SergioMeneses: yeah, just prepping up a page for alpha / betas
[23:28] <phillw> balloons: ping
[23:29] <SergioMeneses> phillw, if you need some help, please let me know
[23:29] <balloons> phillw, about to walk the dog mate, what's up?
[23:29] <balloons> we netsplit there for a bit
[23:52] <phillw> balloons: I have edited https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/TheStages to mention that we don't all use alphas etc. Can you have a hack at it to include the cadence stuff?