[05:51] hi [06:27] morning [06:42] something to that effect [07:11] morning all [07:19] \o === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [08:02] * popey chuckles at http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4456#kf (specifically http://www.gigabyte.com/fileupload/keyfeature/294/images/S1185-keyfeatures-11.jpg) vs http://www.canstockphoto.com/images-photos/young-woman-headphones-laptop.html#file_view.php?id=11971356 [08:03] thats quite funny [08:04] companies should make sure to take their own marketing photos [08:06] http://www.dreamstime.com/royalty-free-stock-image-relaxed-young-man-cup-tea-using-laptop-image16717196 [08:07] also === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g === msm is now known as Guest47448 [08:20] good morning everyone, [08:20] morning brobostigon [08:21] morning MooDoo === Guest47448 is now known as msm_ === joseph is now known as Guest64546 === Guest64546 is now known as jlebrech [08:45] Good morning all, happy Corn Fritter Day! :-D [08:45] JamesTait: that sounds American [08:45] I really need to find more sources for these things if that's the best we can do. :-/ [08:46] It's one year since Jon Lord died. [08:47] * brobostigon curses at the hay fever. === graingert is now known as Guest61873 [08:48] brobostigon, I don't think he died from hay fever. [08:48] JamesTait: dont think who died ? [08:49] brobostigon, 09:46 < JamesTait> It's one year since Jon Lord died. [08:49] brobostigon, immediately followed by 09:47 * brobostigon curses at the hay fever. [08:49] ah, ok, i dont know the name, i dont think. [08:51] brobostigon, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lord [08:53] JamesTait: ah, [08:54] hello [08:54] a question ? [08:55] i got list of server name on file sometime the same server name appear 2 times sometime appear only one time : i m looking for a command that can filter and count the number of the server in one time [08:55] etyuio: sort -c and sort -u [08:56] wait.. not -c\ [08:56] ah [08:56] sort | uniq -c [08:56] uniq -c [08:57] anything i can use, which will be around the house, for my hayfever untill i get into toen this afternoon ? [08:59] brobostigon: gas mask? [08:59] * BigRedS wonders what MartijnVdS has around his house [08:59] brobostigon: surgical mask? [08:59] quite, yes. [08:59] BigRedS: don't you have "Prepare for the worst!" government ads? [09:00] BigRedS: "Get 100 liters of water, a gas mask, duct tape, a flash light and a radio" [09:00] or something similar [09:00] prepare for the worst government? [09:00] BigRedS: maybe [09:01] what is the difference between sort -c and u ? [09:01] we definitely get those ones [09:01] etyuio: man sort :) [09:01] closest i have, are probably some oil and hydraulic fluid filters. [09:07] etyuio: they're quite different. Do you mean between sort -u and uniq? [09:07] the former doesn't keep count [09:08] i got 3 different result [09:10] uniq file | nl & sort file |uniq|nl & sort file |uniq|wc -l [09:10] which one is correct ? [09:10] you want to sort first [09:10] ideally, you'd also want to convert them all to the same case [09:10] what's the best performing X server for windows? [09:10] trying xming and it's minging [09:10] etyuio: it helps if you understand what the commands actually DO [09:11] etyuio: which you can learn by reading their manual pages (man commandname) [09:11] sort -hf | uniq [09:13] i can't understand anything [09:13] i got 3 different result for this : uniq file | nl & sort file |uniq|nl & sort file |uniq|wc -l [09:13] which one is correct ? [09:13] etyuio: depends on what you wnat to do :) [09:14] etyuio: uniq = list only unique lines in a file (if a line is in the file more than one time, list it only once) [09:14] nl = add line numbers [09:14] sort = sort lines in a file [09:14] wc -l = count lines in a file [09:14] as the manual would have told you [09:14] etyuio: I really suggest you learn what each command is actually doing so you can determin for yourself which is giving you the correct answer [09:17] well i can understand all those thing [09:17] popey: you loosing your man cave? [09:17] losing even [09:18] my question is as i grep uniq is there all 3 commands are equivalent or not ? [09:18] uniq file | nl & sort file |uniq|nl & sort file |uniq|wc -l [09:19] the first one will give you a different result to the other two [09:19] because uniq only removes indentical stuff if they're next to each other [09:19] i got an 4rth result with this command : uniq file | wc -l [09:19] you *must* sort first [09:20] hold down i give the result [09:20] MooDoo: indeed [09:20] uniq file | nl => 122 result [09:20] sort file |uniq|nl => 120 result [09:21] yup [09:21] sort file |uniq|wc -l => 121 result [09:21] that's because some of those additional servers weren't directly next to their duplicate [09:21] uniq goes through the file and if one line is the same as the preceeding one it removes one of them; all it does is compare adjacent lines [09:22] so ignore the first one [09:22] popey: denied :( as Myrtti mentioned on g+ let's hope you get a good shed ; [09:22] etyuio: when writing bashy type stuff, do everything one bit at a time [09:23] so start off with sort, and see if you get what you expect [09:23] then run uniq [09:23] then run nl and wc -l [09:23] I sense a disturbance in the force [09:23] well let me the ask different the question differently [09:24] how to identify the one increasing each time ? [09:24] aha, wc -l will include blank lines, nl will not [09:24] uniq file | nl & sort file |uniq|nl & sort file |uniq|wc -l [09:24] etyuio: are you sure you don't want "sort file | uniq -c" [09:26] done what you want to know ? [09:29] ? [09:29] etyuio: have you actually read the man pages of any of these commands? I really suggest you do because it's important to learn what the commands do. That way you can then decide for youself which commands you should be running and in what order, for the task that only you know the end goal [09:30] now i got an other result => 121 [09:30] which one is correct ? [09:30] we don't know because we don't have the same input as you! [09:30] etyuio: you have to decide that yourself, by reading up on what the commands *do* [09:30] what MartijnVdS said [09:30] and if that's what you want them to do [09:31] it's like me coming in here and saying "I have two answers, 'b' and '89475.' Which one is right?" [09:31] no one in here will know because they don't have the input [09:31] SuperMatt: "b" obviously [09:31] discovers that mobaxterm is much better than xming [09:31] mungbean: xming has a .. dubious .. name [09:31] still not as dubious as gimp [09:31] you'd be better with xmung [09:32] SuperMatt: "I started GIMP in Xming" [09:32] still, I find it funny installing mongo [09:32] let me just man gimp [09:32] in the 90s i naively typed manpages.com [09:33] thinking it was a solaris site [09:33] lol [09:33] I don't think I'll be doing that right now [09:33] big willy wangers on the first page [09:33] hilarious [09:33] got whiplash from trying to shut the browser [09:33] we've all been there [09:33] i was at work in full view of the office [09:34] My brother used to keep checking his mail at hotmale.com [09:34] mmm there's something quite satisfying naming our nagios server "hubble" [09:34] oog [09:34] mungbean: Dutch for "eye" :) [09:34] also a good name for a Nagios server [09:34] nagios nags you [09:34] i meant to say oof === graingert is now known as Guest45961 [09:35] nagios only nags you if you're a bad sysadmin ;) [09:35] MRTG ftw [09:36] naggy os? [09:36] Gary: ... [09:36] zabbix! [09:37] cacti>mrtg [09:38] What's wrong with what we call the "whine system"? [09:38] " seems to be down" "Let's look at that.." [09:39] MartijnVdS: multi router traffic grapher [09:39] I love wine ;) [09:39] Gary: I know.. but that doesn't warn if it detects bad stuff, does it? [09:39] produces pretty graphs for bandwidth, and shows if stuff goes eeeeeek [09:39] MooDoo: "whinge" then [09:39] and we have it tied in somehow to nagios [09:39] Gary: sure, but it doesn't actually go EEEEK itself [09:39] Gary: by texting you [09:39] (I don't set up these systems, just break them) [09:40] MartijnVdS: ; [09:40] :) [09:40] nagios emails, I think it can do more [09:41] Gary: yeah, it can start scripts [09:41] Gary: you could even make nagios restart the service all by itself if you wanted to [09:43] ooo, I just want to con my boss into making it restart EVERYTHING upon recieving an email from my unknown external freemail address :p [09:44] Gary: or a text from that new pay-as-you-go number from free SIM from the supermarket ;) [09:45] paid for in cash, whilst wearing a hoodie [09:45] yeah, and then not used for a month so the security tapes expire [09:45] actually, sod restart, can it just shutdown all? [09:45] why not? [09:46] wipe config, shutdown :p [09:46] a script is a script [09:46] Gary: easier to do that with puppet [09:46] my cow-workers are puppets [09:47] do I come across as a little erm, whats the word... [09:48] peffect this one is correct command sort file |uniq -c|nl [09:48] now i would like to change the name of the server which is on the file from BIG letter to small letter ? [09:48] etyuio: man tr :) [09:49] etyuio: or, easier to understand but not as comprehensive: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-use-linux-unix-tr-command/ === emmy is now known as Guest98781 [09:51] etyuio: you could do sort -f, which does case insensitive sorting [09:51] i don't want to sort anything [09:52] right, are you sure? What if you have something like: Server1 and server1. They will appear differently in sort file | uniq | nl [09:52] oh wait, uniq needs to be insensitive too [09:52] from this command sort file |uniq -c|nl i would like to add something like sort file |uniq -c|nl | convert MAJ to MIN [09:52] tr A-Z a-z file | sort | uniq -c | nl [09:53] ^ [09:53] you wanna do your conversion first [09:53] transpose all capital letters to lowercase letters [09:53] then sort (so the same names are next to each other) [09:54] then count how often each line is in the file [09:54] how ? [09:54] then number the lines [09:54] Morning all [09:54] etyuio: I'm just describing what that command line does [09:54] oooh, there's an awk way too [09:54] I like awk [09:54] etyuio: Really, read some man pages :) [09:54] how awk ? [09:54] with awk ? [09:54] MartijnVdS already gave you the answer at 10:52 [09:55] using tr [09:56] SuperMatt: there's an awk way to do almost everything. It's like Perl but worse [09:56] but not work [09:56] tr A-Z a-z file | sort | uniq -c | nl [09:56] not workign tr A-Z a-z file | sort | uniq -c | nl [09:56] etyuio: what isn't working about it? [09:57] Usage: tr [ -cds ] [ String1 [ String2 ] ] [09:57] try tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' file | sort | uniq -c | nl [09:57] not at all [09:57] same result [09:57] wait, we can just dict the -c | nl [09:58] because you want a list [09:58] so tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' file | sort | uniq [09:58] this is why *you* need to learn the commands [09:58] i would like to understand how with awk ? [09:58] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2264428/converting-string-to-lower-case-in-bash-shell-scripting [09:59] or importantly http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bash+convert+to+lowercase [09:59] that's how I managed it [09:59] I'm going to be honest *again* [09:59] *learn* the commands [10:00] we are tying to help, but we don't see what you see, we don't know what you know. we are pointing you at commands, but we can't tell you what's wrong with them because we don't know what result you're expecting to see. If you want generic help, like 'what command does x?' we can help, but we can't get the right answer for you [10:02] ok i can understand [10:05] this command is wroking echo "Hi All" | tr "[:upper:]" "[:lower:]" [10:05] in output i got hi all [10:05] excellent [10:05] so now you can do tr "[:upper:]" "[:lower:]" [10:05] so now you can do tr "[:upper:]" "[:lower:]" filename [10:05] sorry [10:06] but this one not working but instead of [10:06] tr "[:upper:]" "[:lower:]" file | sort | uniq -c | nl [10:07] what i would like to do is : [10:07] with this command [10:07] echo "Hi All" | tr "[:upper:]" "[:lower:]" [10:07] you can do cat file | tr... [10:08] instead of Hi All in echo "Hi All" | tr "[:upper:]" "[:lower:]" i would like to input my file name to have something like this [10:09] echo "$filename" | tr "[:upper:]" "[:lower:]" | sort | uniq -c | nl [10:09] how to do ? [10:09] cat filename instead of echo filename [10:09] or jusy use tr "[:toupper:]" "[:tolower:]" filename [10:09] it does work because I've tried it [10:09] perfect [10:10] it's working thanks a lot [10:10] hooray! [10:11] now, I want you to run these commands [10:11] man sort [10:11] man uniq [10:11] man wc [10:11] man nl [10:11] man tr [10:11] and learn exactly what they do [10:12] that way, when you have a question like this, you will know exactly how to answer it yourself [10:12] ok perfect [10:12] but i got some difficulty to understand that [10:12] you may not *remember* each switch, but you will remember "oh hey, I know sort is what I need, I'll look to see what functionality it has" [10:13] is english not your first language? [10:13] i m expecting an answer in 2 lines but gots several pages [10:13] french [10:13] yes, man is sort for manual [10:13] is it possible to convert the man page in french ? [10:13] or open the man page temporarely in french ? [10:14] or choosing the language what we would like to read ? [10:14] can I ask why you're not in #ubuntu-fr? [10:14] because I don't know about reading man pages in french [10:14] but they would be able to help you [10:14] they'd help you understand a lot more than we could [10:15] aha, it looks like you can install manpages-fr [10:16] but there people are not UP 2 date [10:16] how so? [10:16] that's why i m here [10:18] ok, I just checked and there *loads* of people in #ubuntu-fr [10:18] they could have helped you [10:18] and I'm sure if you stay in there for a long period of time and be patient, you will learn a lot from them [10:20] and the commands we used today? decades old. No one in there needs to be up to date to help you [10:21] well [10:22] on the same file i got list of server in DNS shortname [10:23] now i would like to add the complete name [10:24] how add the extension from the short name of the server ? === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [10:33] ok, maybe now I think you're using the wrong tools [10:34] it's doable, but we're getting really complex, and you'd be best just copying the data in to something like excel/calc, and manipulating it there [10:34] then pasting it back in [10:35] but to answer your question awk '{print $0 "domainname" }' [10:35] but now you have to work out what to do with that [10:36] print $0 means what ? [10:36] hii [10:36] this is the problem etyuio, you're *way* out of your comfort zone here [10:37] it'd be prudent for you to do things in a way you're more comfortable with [10:37] i make a script in python [10:37] etyuio: man bash -> search for "\$0" [10:38] iirc $0 is the first argument (probably the script name itself) [10:38] now i want to use it like a service / demon (in /etc/init.d) [10:38] 0 = script name [10:38] not in awk it's not ;) [10:38] how i can do it? [10:38] ewkbr: that's not easy *at all* [10:39] now i want to use it like a service / demon (in /etc/init.d) with start, stop restart [10:39] what does it do? [10:39] ewkbr: you need to write it in a special way for that [10:39] there is a python pip for creating daemons, I suggest you look that up [10:40] but it's not a simple question to answer [10:40] it's also packaged [10:40] what do you mean? [10:40] to run it like this? [10:40] ewkbr: there's a library you can use, python-daemon, to write daemons in python [10:40] ewkbr: you have to write your program to make use of that library [10:40] python script.py | service ?? [10:41] ewkbr: do you even read what we're telling you? [10:42] but i dont want to re-write the code,, i want only the ability to start it and stop simply.. [10:42] MartijnVdS: I have a feeling no one today has been reading what we've been saying [10:42] whois ewkbr [10:43] oops [10:43] ewkbr: that's not how daemons work [10:43] you *have* to write new code to convert it to a daemon [10:43] because it needs clever stuff, like the ability to fork new processes, etc [10:44] the ability to receive a stop signal [10:44] and then actually stop [10:44] there is *so much* to it [10:44] ok.. [10:44] perfect working awk [10:45] etyuio: but do you know what it's actually doing? [10:45] ^this [10:45] yes of course adding extension on the file [10:46] !xyproblem [10:46] !xy [10:46] The XY problem is when you need to do X, and you think you can use Y to do X, so you ask about how to do Y, when what you really should do is state what your X problem is. There may be a Z solution that is even better than Y, but nobody can suggest it if X is never mentioned. [10:46] ewkbr: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/python-daemon [10:46] perfect working awk [10:46] but the problem is i got 3 types of server name ; starting with [10:47] 3 different name [10:47] etyuio: It might work, but I'm afraid it's fragile and you won't actually know how to fix it if it breaks [10:47] hang on [10:47] I have a great answer for all this [10:47] SuperMatt: stackexchange? [10:47] cvbnm,m, nbgvb cxc [10:47] i would like to add the 3 different in 3 case [10:47] hanging my head of the keyboard [10:48] SuperMatt: awww.. [10:48] what will work ? [10:48] then the command line is not the tool for you, etyuio [10:48] either learn to script in bash, python, whatever [10:48] * MartijnVdS gives up as well [10:48] or do it manually [10:48] and we cannot teach you this in 10 minutes on irc [10:51] don't worry i found it with for i in [10:51] thanks here for valuable support [10:51] ok great [10:52] now *learn* all this [10:52] throw yourself deeply in to it [10:52] sure [10:52] Start knocking out 2KB oneliners that make your colleagues weep [10:52] feel free to ask questions, but make sure they're the *right* questions [10:53] ok perfect thanks a lot [11:03] *phew* all that stuff is over now, I feel like I can breathe [11:06] we can talk about perl scripts again :) [11:06] hooray [11:12] NO [11:13] * penguin42 notes the lyrics on 'The final countdown' are wonderfully cheesy === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [11:23] penguin42: I don't know what you mean. "We're leaving together, but still it's fairwell, and maybe we'll come back, to Earth who can tell....." Nothing cheesy there :D [11:23] davmor2: same subject as Queen - '39 then [11:24] MartijnVdS: or Flash :) === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [11:27] penguin42: if you want cheesy you need to look to popstars trying to cash in on rock ballards, power of love Jennifer Rush, Just died in your arms tonight cutting crew........... [11:28] anything from the 80's nuff said [11:28] lol [11:29] MartijnVdS: Queens cheesiest song starts "I was just a skinny lad, never knew no good from bad, but I knew life before I left my nursery" [11:29] I just exchanged GPG keys with RMS. That might be the most nerdy thing I've ever done. [11:31] BigRedS: would you need to send him anything then? [11:32] MooDoo: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggggggggggggggggaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadododo [11:32] MartijnVdS: we host a machine for hi [11:32] m [11:33] MooDoo: I don't know what you mean the 90's brought us boybands and girlbands you really want cheesy that is the era to look at :) [11:34] MooDoo: http://open.spotify.com/user/martijnvds/playlist/4sXUFBP520n3SC2o8bg0TF [11:34] davmor2: sorry can't talk i'm pushing a pineapple and shacking a tree [11:34] davmor2: they also brought us proper gangsta rap [11:34] davmor2: and Eurodance [11:34] It's hammer time, that's all you need to know [11:35] MooDoo: stop, collaborate and listen! [11:36] MartijnVdS: the 80's brought proper gangster rap, NWA when they were not mainstream etc [11:36] Hah, I can't get that playlist top open in spotify [11:36] davmor2: hm, true [11:37] MartijnVdS: Also a lot of the dance house music that Eurodance is based off kicked off in the 80's and a lot of the demo music used is also from the 80's :P [11:37] demo was meant to be sample [11:37] davmor2: but the 90s gave us Ace of Base, and happy hardcore.. and Aqua [11:37] not in my barbie world [11:38] BigRedS: spotify:user:martijnvds:playlist:4sXUFBP520n3SC2o8bg0TF then ? paste that in the search box [11:38] ah! I was just trying to remember that syntax [11:39] haha, your '90s playlist dwarfs mine [11:40] MartijnVdS: Ace of base 87 dude, happy hardcore were formed in the late 80'2 inorder to be popular by the early 90's and Aqua well it's Aqua. The 90's also brought us spice girls, boyzone, take that, etc etc etc [11:40] make me feel a bit better about that [11:40] davmor2: best music is from the late 80s, early 90s anyway [11:46] davmor2: No way; the Final countdown rhymes 'we're heading for Venus (Venus)' with 'Cause maybe they've seen us' - you can't get cheesier than that [11:46] MartijnVdS: I agree, only I also include late 70's, all of the 80's, and up to about 94-95, then it just started to go downhill bar the odd exceptional group for example fatboy slim, prodigy , moby, Armon Vanheldon (probably spelt wrong), Adele, blur, oasis etc [11:48] davmor2: every time I hear someone say "music from Adele" I hear "music from a Dell" [11:48] penguin42: Power of love by Frankie goes to hollywood "I'll protect you from the Hooded Claw and keep the vampires from your door" [11:48] MartijnVdS: how do you know it isn't [11:48] davmor2: no logo [11:49] MartijnVdS: and no intel jingle in the background :) [11:49] davmor2: exactly [11:52] penguin42: then you get the stalker song from the police, the pervert song by the police, the murder song by Phil Collins, that everyone thinks are lovely love songs, (every breath you take, don't stand so close, in the air tonight) [11:53] davmor2: Fiction Factory - (Feels Like) Heaven, a very happy-sounding *break-up song* [11:54] davmor2: but at one time, everyone used it at weddings [11:54] MartijnVdS: 10cc I'm not in love [11:55] MartijnVdS: Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, that is nothing to do with drugs [11:55] but that's not 80s [11:56] MartijnVdS: I know but all the ones in the 80's that were about drugs, were about drugs :D [11:56] reminds me, I need to get some 10cc; I had Rubber Bullets going round in my brain the other night [11:57] ebeneezer goode? [11:58] MartijnVdS: Then there is the 1979 Christmas number on no drugs in that song what so ever :) [11:58] i don't think pop music gets much more blatant than that [11:58] why is the phil collins song about murder tho? [11:59] ali1234: If you told me you were drowning I would not lend a hand [12:00] davmor2: that's just hating someone [12:00] "It's the first time, the last time we ever met " [12:01] it's a song by a murder victim to the murderer? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:03]