[00:00] <pleia2> /opt/stack/nova/nova/scheduler/filters/compute_capabilities_filter.py
[00:00] <pleia2> dur
[00:00] <pleia2> wrong channel
[00:00] <knome> heh
[00:00] <knome> from which version we want to take the upgrade-screenshots?
[00:03] <knome> are you updating the bug or not?:P
[00:03] <pleia2> multitasking!
[00:04] <knome> i kind of like the approach of http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[00:04] <pleia2> good question re upgrading screenshots
[00:04] <knome> the simple words "For extended support" and "For the latest features"
[00:05] <knome> If you have a PC with the Windows 8 logo or UEFI firmware, choose the 64-bit download. Read more ›
[00:05] <pleia2> it does feel silly to have them for oneiric > precise because it's a few releases old by now, but it's really relaly old now
[00:05] <knome> that's not really what i gathered from the bug
[00:06] <knome> it tells me that I need to get the 64-bit download if I am using UEFI firmware, and suggests 64-bit for "newer machines". This is good information.
[00:06] <knome> there's no "newer machines" mentioned
[00:06] <knome> and no "suggestion" really. if you have a win 8 machine, i suppose you *need* to get the 64-bit one
[00:08] <knome> wow, non-mainbuntu downloads are buried deep down
[00:08] <pleia2> heh, yeah
[00:09] <knome> and it's even a bit misleading
[00:09] <knome> "alternative downloads" then "past releases"
[00:09] <pleia2> don't get me started :)
[00:09] <knome> i will
[00:09] <knome> even the description in the second isn't mentioning flavors
[00:13]  * knome provokes pleia2 
[00:13] <pleia2> :P
[00:14] <knome> re 12... what about simply add "(for 12.04 only)" after alternate mentions?
[00:14] <pleia2> +1
[00:14] <knome> ok, i'll do that
[00:15] <Unit193> Mainbuntu doesn't care about flavors, why get a different flavor when you can have the real one! ;P
[00:20] <SkippersBoss_> real ???
[00:20] <knome> Unit193, yeah yeah whatever. :)
[00:20] <SkippersBoss_> woosh, and knome strikes again
[00:25] <jjfrv8> knome, just did another push and merge proposal. Did chapters 2, 3 & 4.  Hope that's not too big a chunk at once.
[00:25] <knome> jjfrv8, not at all. we even got the changelog stuff sorted out :)
[00:26] <jjfrv8> Thought so.  Saw there was a rev 57.
[00:26] <knome> jjfrv8, i'll get to our MP tomorrow, i'm heading to bed in a sec
[00:26] <knome> s/our/your/
[00:26] <jjfrv8> Yeah, pretty late for you.
[00:31] <knome> well... last night was normal but the one before that i pulled an all-nighter ;)
[00:33] <knome> anyway, i'm off to bed
[00:34] <jjfrv8> Pleasant dreams
[00:34] <knome> thanks, and to you too :)
[00:50] <Unit193> Soo, jjfrv8 is going to end up doing the entire review?
[01:27] <pleia2> knome: http://xubuntu.org/?p=1738&preview=true
[01:27] <pleia2> feel free to edit (we can shrink images if we want :)), I'll publish tomorrow
[01:31] <skellat> mr_pouit micahg: Riddell brought this up as an interesting discussion point: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/26254.html
[06:25] <elfy> knome: what did we decide we were going to do with testcases and fix committed/fix released? 
[06:25]  * elfy can't remember 
[06:34] <Noskcaj> I know for non-xubuntu stuff it's commited = in branch, released = visible on tracker
[06:39] <elfy> think it's the same here
[06:40] <elfy> just can't remember for sure
[11:34] <JCD> THX, Unit193.
[11:34] <JCD> However I wonder whether there is a list of all applications and packages that are Xubuntu specific. Is there no list documented somewhere or someone who pulls all the strings and can provide me with such a list?
[11:36] <JCD> I just have to know which software to look at on April 30th 2015 when Xubuntu 12.04 LTS is not supported anymore (at least the Xubuntu specific parts). In case I don't know I have a bit of a problem since there is oftware installed probably which is not patched anymore until 2017 when the software in the canonical repos is EOL. do you know what I mean?
[16:33] <bluesabre> JCD: the counts might be a bit different, but I am currently running a script that should show all packages maintained by xubuntu-devel, should finish in a few minutes
[16:47] <bluesabre> JCD: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5881462/
[16:47] <bluesabre> mrpouit, micahg, does that list seem correct ^ ?
[18:40] <JCD> Oh!
[18:40] <JCD> That's a good start. Thank you, bluesabre!
[18:40] <JCD> :D
[18:42] <JCD> Dear Xubuntu devs I suggest you to add such a list on your website for reference.
[18:43]  * pleia2 wonders where such instructions could go
[18:55] <JCD> Hm... thats a good question. I sw this on some pages of other distros like SystemRescueCD (e.g.: http://www.sysresccd.org/Detailed-packages-list). 
[18:58] <JCD> http://xubuntu.org/ --> Support and Documentation --> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs
[18:58] <JCD> There I guess. One page in the ppendix could be called "Package List" or something like that. :-D
[19:01] <pleia2> well we don't want to maintain a static list
[19:01] <pleia2> documenting the for loop that bluesabre shared is the best best
[19:06] <JCD> Yeah guess so. Maybe one can embellish that a bit and package it. Then I'd document the command to run e.g. `xubuntu-packages --list` or something.
[19:06] <JCD> (Assuming that program could do even more in the future)
[19:08] <JCD> Interestingly when entering `xubu[TAB][TAB]...` *nothing* appears. There is no xubuntu<foo> userland binary somewhere. This is interesting. ;-)
[19:08] <pleia2> that's because xubuntu is a collection of things :)
[19:12] <JCD> :-)
[19:13] <JCD> Oh and I thought thewre are devs that wanna set their mark somewhere. Well if it was my distro there would be...
[19:13] <JCD> funny things. :)
[19:13] <pleia2> we've managed to gather a rather ego-less team in xubuntu
[19:14] <Unit193> I prefer having others names on stuff, that way it don't come back to me. :D
[19:14] <Unit193> bluesabre: That doesn't take into account gnumeric or abiword, do those get security updates?
[19:21] <skellat> I vaguely remember Jorge Castro mentioning a script that spits out a list of packages and their end of support dates
[19:22] <Unit193> update-manager-core: /usr/bin/ubuntu-support-status
[19:24] <Unit193> You have 1680 packages (72.7%) supported until January 2014 (9m)
[19:25] <JCD> oh ill check that as well.
[19:25] <JCD> THX
[19:25] <JCD> cu tomorro goo n1te
[19:26] <Unit193> Good night.
[19:28] <skellat> For example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5881905/
[19:30] <Unit193> "You have 13 packages (0.6%) that can not/no-longer be downloaded", but anyway, thinking we found the tool he was looking for.
[19:30] <skellat> Unit193: Yeah, that's the one.  Sadly it wouldn't show up in an apropos search and I couldn't remember it.  It does need a manpage, too.
[19:31] <skellat> The example shows my netbook running raring
[20:17] <pleia2> Unit193: we haven't gotten any response from the Mir folks, right?
[20:17] <Unit193> pleia2: Nope, not a one.
[20:17] <pleia2> that's disappointing
[20:18] <Unit193> I linked to output (on the pad now I think), and the response wasn't what I thought I'd get, though.
[20:18] <pleia2> what output?
[20:22] <Unit193> pleia2: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/12/%23ubuntu-mir.html#t01:49
[20:23] <pleia2> ah
[20:25] <Unit193> They've released 0.0.7, but not in the PPA yet so no new ISO.  Want me to ping you when it exists? (zsync file will be created for it, faster downloads and all.)
[20:45] <knome> forestpi1kie, Noskcaj is right; committed = in branch, released = in tracker
[20:45] <Noskcaj> yay
[21:31] <skellat> Unit193 pleia2: Reading that log, I'm feeling less positive.  Apparently the reference frame we have of "older hardware" is most definitely not in any sort of alignment with the Mir team and that worries me.  All in all I hope we can do the go/no-go meeting as a Google Hangout so we can all literally sound off. :-)
[21:33] <Unit193> Meh, not fond of my face being in front of everyone.  The one guy seemed to want full support of everything Xorg did, we've yet to see it work 50% of the time yet, though.
[21:35] <skellat> Unit193: I just want to do the go/no-go NASA mission style where we all sound off as knome calls roll.  You can throw up an avatar of a buckeye perhaps.
[21:36] <skellat> But at least this way we can say we tried and we can let folks at vUDS-1308 puzzle over what we were thinking
[21:37] <skellat> vUDS-1308 would be the week after the go/no-go anyhow
[21:38] <Noskcaj> Unit193, You don't have to use a webcam.
[21:39] <Unit193> skellat: Well, generally minutes are handier, but anywho.  Should be able to get another spin up before then.
[21:40] <skellat> Unit193: I look forward to testing it.  I really do.
[21:41] <pleia2> skellat: heh, yeah, I bought the laptop I was testing on last year
[21:41] <pleia2> it's not top of the line, but it's one of the newest systems I own
[21:41] <pleia2> (it's actually bottom of the line)
[21:41] <skellat> pleia2: That's where I'm saying our frame of reference as to "older systems" and that held by the Mir team may be severely out of alignment...and that is troublesome
[21:41] <pleia2> $299 woo
[21:42] <Unit193> skellat: Note, the log is about not having alpha support, no other tests than mine had that issue and as he also said, "That's a new one."
[21:43] <skellat> Unit193: And how old is your kerosene-powered cheese grater?
[21:43] <Unit193> It's a hand me down from a T-rex.
[21:44] <Unit193> Release Date: 11/01/2004
[21:44] <skellat> Ah
[21:44] <skellat> Not a SPARC box, at least
[21:44] <skellat> Or a NeXT cube or an SGI Indigo
[21:44] <skellat> But just an older PC
[21:45] <skellat> Crap, I've been not feeling well a good chunk of the day and I almost forgot to PING micahg or micahg-work about the apt-offline issue that needs to be integrated before A2 drops.
[21:45]  * skellat runs to go be ill again
[21:46] <Unit193> !tmi | ?
[21:58] <pleia2> knome: can you take a peek at my stickers blog post? http://xubuntu.org/?p=1738&preview=true
[21:59] <pleia2> knome: I want to get this out because I also have an interview in the queue that I told them I'd get out this week
[21:59] <pleia2> them == the person I interviewed
[21:59] <knome> since i'm awake, sure
[21:59] <pleia2> :)
[22:00] <knome> wow, isn't that a lot of padding for some of the images?
[22:01] <knome> and aren't they quite large
[22:01] <pleia2> 18:27:57 < pleia2> feel free to edit (we can shrink images if we want :)), I'll publish tomorrow
[22:01] <knome> heh
[22:01] <knome> okay..
[22:01] <knome> i suppose i should get my mouse then
[22:01] <pleia2> I just downloaded the images from their site w/o editing, so yeah
[22:01] <knome> gosh, i just started feeling sleepy
[22:01] <knome> ;)
[22:01] <pleia2> lol
[22:02]  * knome makes sure he's dead sleepy until he heads back to bed
[22:10] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/marketing_stickers/xubuntu-stickers.png
[22:10] <knome> does that look any better?
[22:10] <pleia2> yes, that's lovely
[22:10] <knome> great
[22:10] <knome> want to upload it or shall i?
[22:10] <pleia2> you can
[22:10] <knome> ok, just a sec
[22:10] <pleia2> my internet connection is being grumpy
[22:13] <knome> awwh
[22:14] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/?p=1738&preview=true
[22:15] <knome> i'm thinking we might want to say something about how they are not sized like that
[22:16] <pleia2> "not to scale"
[22:17] <knome> edited
[22:17]  * pleia2 looks
[22:17] <knome> i was a bit more verbal, but...
[22:17] <pleia2> oh, that's good :)
[22:17] <knome> hmm, did i lose one link at the end?
[22:17] <pleia2> lost the Xubuntu stickers bundle link (didn't I have one? doh)
[22:18] <pleia2> oh, forgot about this link http://www.unixstickers.com/xubuntu
[22:18] <knome> relinked
[22:18] <pleia2> maybe add before the bundle paragraph: Browse all Xubuntu stickers at: http://www.unixstickers.com/xubuntu
[22:19] <knome> edited
[22:19] <pleia2> perfect
[22:19] <knome> re-edit to "To buy"
[22:20] <pleia2> :)
[22:20] <pleia2> good
[22:20] <knome> heh, the bundle has wonderful quantity discount
[22:20] <knome> 5 or more items is already as low as 0.65$ ;)
[22:21] <pleia2> haha
[22:21] <knome> maybe we want to tell them to fix that before our news article?
[22:21] <pleia2> I'll let them know
[22:21] <knome> great
[22:21] <pleia2> yeah
[22:21] <pleia2> once I hear back I'll just hit publish
[22:21] <knome> yup, sounds good
[22:21] <knome> remember to tweet
[22:22]  * knome goes checking what's up @Xubuntu
[22:22] <knome> nothing really
[22:22] <knome> boring tweets :P
[22:23] <pleia2> hehe
[22:26] <knome> was referring mostly to those which mentioned @Xubuntu
[22:26] <knome> nothing interesting enough to retweet
[22:27] <knome> some tweets about going debian 8 if xmir "infects" 14.04
[22:27] <pleia2> gotta love fud
[22:27] <knome> haha, yeah
[22:27] <pleia2> I haven't tried it, but change is scary, sky is falling!
[22:27] <knome> yup, it is
[22:28] <knome> any minute now...
[22:45] <skellat>  /join #freenode
[22:49] <micahg> knome: ^^ you predicted that?
[22:49] <skellat> micahg: I'm suspicious now that knome may very well have with as much as #freenode is lighting up.
[22:51] <knome> micahg, sure. ;)