[05:32] <NoSound> um.. Hi I installed xubuntu and I have no audio.. help??
[05:56] <SunStar> open a terminal window and type lspci and look to see if you can spot what kind of audio  chip it is
[05:57] <SunStar> ....delayed reaction
[06:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> Xfce has a panel applet that hides and restores programs on the desktop. Is there a terminal command equivalent or is this applets feature integrated into the panel?
[06:05] <syn-ack> Good evening guys. I have a Sony Viao VGN-Z610Y and I'm having an issue with trying to get my Plantronics Back beat 903+ stereo headset to pair and connect to the Pulse Audio Sink. This computer, has the Intel C2D/Centrino chipset in, running a completely up to date system and I have the output of my logs here: http://pastebin.com/uSABj7Kv
[06:07] <syn-ack> Basically, what it'll do through the interface, when I've got the headset in pairing mode is simple; it'll get to the device selection context, and when I try to assign it to the audio/headset sink, it reports back "Stream Failed"
[06:08] <syn-ack> Now the log is showing a "Cancel Device Pair" due to invalid Params, but what params would it be missing?
[06:09] <syn-ack> Then it shows a Permission Denied and Connection failed.
[06:10] <syn-ack> OR another thing it'll ask me for, is a password.. How the heck is that supposed to be done. I've been been going round and round with this for a couple weeks now and it's driving me insane.
[06:11] <syn-ack> Now, I know this works, as I was able to do it in Windows 7. I just can't figure out why it's not liking it here...
[06:12] <syn-ack> Does Xubuntu not support HSP and A2DP?
[08:45] <Yotson> which open-jdk version is recommended? openjdk-6 or -7?
[08:45] <Deepfriedice> Yotson, What are you running?
[08:46] <Yotson> xubuntu, firefox and an assortment java apps.
[08:46] <Yotson> was that what you were asking? :)
[08:47] <Deepfriedice> No, What OS? 12.04? 13.04?
[08:47] <Sysi> newer 7 would be my first recommendation
[08:47] <Yotson> latest lts version, 12.04 iirc.
[08:48] <Deepfriedice> Then 6 is "officially" recommended, but I'd go with 7.
[08:50] <Yotson> hmmm. installed -7, including the iced tea plugin. firefox seems to hang on java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp
[08:50] <Yotson> i'll get rid of -7 and try for -6 instead. :)
[08:51] <Deepfriedice> Yeah, that sounds reasonable...
[08:51] <Yotson> ah, not hanging btw. just painfully slow.
[08:52] <Sysi> sounds like web java
[08:52] <Deepfriedice> If 7 is slow, I doubt 6 will be quicker.
[08:53] <Yotson> well slow. seemingly hanging for a couple of minutes isn't really slow. it not functional. lol
[08:55] <Deepfriedice> I doubt there is a magic fix: try 6, if that's slow either put up with 7 or look into sunjava.
[09:04] <Yotson> correct Deepfriedice. same behavior. Asking to run an applet, doesn't matter what i choose. keeps asking the question.
[09:05] <Yotson> i'll read up on the sun version.
[09:15] <dom_> hello!
[09:15] <Yotson> o/
[09:16] <dom_> i've got a problem with firefox and youtube. i have reinstalled ff, turned on and off various add-ons, nothing help
[09:17] <dom_> youtube still doesnt work. the area, where the player should be displayed is just plain white
[09:18] <nukke> are you sure you have adoble flash installed?
[09:18] <dom_> yes, that is what firefox and synaptic tells me
[09:18] <dom_> i installed xubuntu on this computer few days ago and this problem is since the beggining
[09:19] <nukke> try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer inside a terminal
[09:19] <dom_> also, other online players doesnt work too - like those on bandcamp.com and such
[09:19] <dom_> whereas bandcamp works on midori, but YT still doesnt
[09:19] <nukke> bandcamp's player is flash-based.
[09:21] <Yotson> almost forgot. thanks Deepfriedice, Sysi.
[09:23] <Yotson> Deepfriedice, Sysi. added duinsoft.nl ppa, ...., installed oracle/sun version. all is fine. \o/
[09:26] <dom_> so, any ideas how to solve my YT problem?
[09:26] <nukke> dom_: try running the following command in a terminal: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[09:31] <Abraham_Zapruder> ciao a tutti avrei bisogno di alcune info su xubuntu, specificatamente sulla procedura di installazione
[09:34] <dom_> nukke, i did it. terminal told me that flash is already in the newest version
[09:35] <nukke> dom_: inside Firefox, go to Add-on Manager > Plugins
[09:35] <nukke> make sure shockwave flash is enabled
[09:36] <dom_> nukke, it is
[09:43] <nukke> dom_: you could try reinstalling flash. run the following (exactly like it is): sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-installer && sudo apt-get autoremove
[09:43] <nukke> afterwards, run this command: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:43] <nukke> make sure firefox is closed
[09:49] <dom_> nukke, in progress, thank you
[09:49] <dom_> ok, i did the first thing
[09:50] <dom_> then installed restricted extras
[09:50] <dom_> again got message, that it's already installed (well, i DID install them yesterday)
[09:51] <nukke> dom_: try just installing flash, then. sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[09:51] <dom_> nukke, yeah, i just tried to run yt and bandcamp. it didnt work but at least asked me to intall plugins. so let's do this! :D
[09:57] <dom_> nukke, damn, still doesnt work. flash installed and im back at the very beggining :(
[12:25] <stoeptegel> do i need to be aware of any warnings when i want to install xubuntu on a UEFI BIOS? Are there other things to be taken care of while installing, like the new GPT MBR?
[12:26] <stoeptegel> what do i need to be aware of?
[13:16] <JohnRobert> xubuntu is great
[13:16] <JohnRobert> :)
[13:27] <michaelstz> exit
[13:48] <stoeptegel> JohnRobert: quite, isn't it
[13:49] <JohnRobert> yes, I recently wiped win7 off my thinkpad t420s
[13:49] <JohnRobert> it's insanely faster.
[13:50] <JohnRobert> fastest computer I've ever used now.. surfing the web is all kinds of new fastness :)
[14:01] <[0gb_us]> You can also mostly kiss viruses goodbye on Xubuntu. It has better security.
[14:02] <SonikkuAmerica> It also works the best with Wine, according to my tests.
[14:06] <JohnRobert> :p
[14:06] <JohnRobert> well I've used various distros in the past
[14:06] <JohnRobert> but I think xubuntu is my fave
[14:09] <stoeptegel> +1
[14:09] <SonikkuAmerica> If I had a widescreen laptop I'd be using Ubuntu GNOME, but since I don't here I am.
[14:10] <JohnRobert> I like the simplicity of xubuntu
[14:10] <JohnRobert> much nicer desktop imo
[14:10] <JohnRobert> non of that weird stuff
[14:12] <[0gb_us]> Yeah, for sure. Unity and GNOME are a bit wacky.
[15:01] <Peyam> guys
[15:01] <Peyam> what is the default double cllicking speed in xubutu?
[15:02] <Peyam> dubble*
[15:02] <Pici> *double
[15:02] <Peyam> really?
[15:03] <Peyam> I though double was "double" in programming
[15:03] <Peyam> anyway.. what is the normal double clicking speed?
[15:03] <Peyam> by default
[15:03] <Peyam> Time and Distace
[15:07] <elfy> 250ms and 5px I think
[15:08] <Peyam> thanks
[15:42] <DriedOrange> I want to use the mail watcher panel applet for xfce. However it uses an old version of gnutls (used for TLS with gmail) that apparently has a security vulnerability. (no idea if it's anything serious though). Anyway, I'm wondering how I would go about replacing  old version of gnutls with new? old was preinstalled in xubuntu 13.04, new is available  in repository. don't dare to remove old because of some other pakages which would
[15:42] <DriedOrange> also get removed with it.
[15:50] <brainwash> DriedOrange: can you please share source of your information (cve report,..)?
[16:04] <luc04_FR> salut, il y a des francais ici ?
[16:06] <luc04_FR> #channel
[16:07] <nikolam> luc04_FR, hi, see "-fr" channels on freenode
[16:08] <nikolam> #ubuntu-fr-party , #ubuntu-fr  etc :P
[16:08] <Pici> !fr
[16:09] <nikolam> luc04_FR, maybe you could make xubuntu-fr ? :P
[16:09] <luc04_FR> ok tank you
[16:11] <nikolam> there is xubuntu-es already :p
[16:15] <DriedOrange> brainwash, I saw it on the gnutls website: http://www.gnutls.org/security.html#GNUTLS-SA-2013-2
[16:25] <brainwash> DriedOrange: and did you also read the changelog for the ubuntu packages?
[16:25] <brainwash> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/140841524/gnutls26_2.12.23-1ubuntu1_2.12.23-1ubuntu1.1.diff.gz
[16:28] <brainwash> so you shouldn't be affected by the vulnerability unless you did not update the package to the latest version (security update)
[16:30] <DriedOrange> brainwash, oh thanks for that. As the recommendation on the gnutls website said to upgrade to gnutls 3.x I thought 2.x hadn't been updated.
[16:31] <DriedOrange> brainwash, well well, it sorted itseld out. Thanks
[17:03] <BMBiehler> is there a different lock screen than just the screensaver?
[19:52] <xubuntu704> hey
[20:10] <djGrothe> Hello, after I upgraded to 13.04, now the graphics are in 16 bit, or maybe it's 8 bit. What should I do?
[20:17] <Unit193> djGrothe: Hello, can you tell us what card you have?
[20:17] <djGrothe> It's something from Intel, beyond that, I don't know
[20:18] <Unit193> If you have the same card I'm thinking of, that's by design in SNA accel.
[20:18] <djGrothe> It was never like this before
[20:19] <Unit193> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1173649  I have a xorg.conf file to "correct" it for myself, you can look at the reasons and see if you want it.
[20:19] <Unit193> (One in the bug didn't help me.)
[20:21] <djGrothe> so... what should I do?
[20:23] <Unit193> You gain speed by leaving it at this bit depth, but you can "correct" it with http://paste.openstack.org/show/10yZETqTK71uJ9d28zYB as your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:28] <djGrothe> there is no "xorg.conf" in /etc/X11
[20:28] <bekks> djGrothe: You can create it then.
[20:29] <djGrothe> permission denied
[20:31] <bekks> You have to use sudo or gksu.
[20:32] <djGrothe> bekks: what command to create a file, then?
[20:32] <bekks> djGrothe: What command did you just use?
[20:32] <djGrothe> nothing, trying the gui
[20:32] <bekks> What exactly are you trying in the GUI?
[20:33] <djGrothe> to create a file!
[20:33] <bekks> how?
[20:33] <djGrothe> right-click \ create document
[20:37] <djGrothe> bekks?
[20:38] <bekks> djGrothe: You can just start your favourite text editor with gksu and save that file.
[20:45] <xubuntu711> hey there
[20:45] <djGrothe> bekks: the file is there with the paste in it, but now I have to restart my computer
[20:45] <djGrothe> ?
[20:45] <bekks> You just need to restart X.
[20:46] <djGrothe> x?
[20:46] <Unit193> You can sudo service lightdm restart, or reboot, either one.
[20:47] <xubuntu711> is there any of the admins here  today i found a bug in the last update
[20:47] <djGrothe> ok, thanks a lot for the help!
[20:48] <xubuntu711> help please
[20:48] <holstein> !ask | xubuntu711
[20:48] <Unit193> xubuntu711: What bug?  Did you check on Launchpad for a bug report against it?
[20:49] <xubuntu711> no where is it
[20:49] <bekks> "launchpad.net"
[20:49] <xubuntu711> i am new
[20:49] <holstein> xubuntu711: what bug?
[20:49] <holstein> xubuntu711: what is the question?
[20:50] <xubuntu711> DHcp is gone broken
[20:50] <bekks> BEcause...? What happens when you do what exactly?
[20:50] <holstein> xubuntu711: its working fine here.. what is the issue?
[20:50] <xubuntu711> was working three weeks ago before the last update now it  is not
[20:51] <bekks> Its not working? Sitting on the couch? Demonstrating for more money?
[20:51] <holstein> xubuntu711: so, you updated 3 weeks ago, and then, after 3 weeks, it stopped?
[20:51] <bekks> What exactly is happening when doing what exactly?
[20:52] <xubuntu711> no i tryed to use wirerless and have not been able to gett it to connect to the out side world from my laptop
[20:53] <bekks> And how do you know its DHCP thats not working?
[20:53] <xubuntu711> i can ping there router
[20:53] <bekks> Then DHCP is working, if you can ping the router.
[20:53] <bekks> VEry obviously.
[20:54] <holstein> who is "they".. maybe "they" have a problem on the router
[20:54] <xubuntu711> maybe
[20:55] <holstein> xubuntu711: i think you are assuming a DHCP bug, from what i am reading
[20:55] <bekks> If you can ping the router, that thing is even working.
[20:55] <xubuntu711> my friend who is a systems admin says it is the dhcp it .
[20:56] <holstein> xubuntu711: then, test and confirm that
[20:56] <xubuntu711> ok i will
[20:56] <bekks> Choose another friend, he has no clue. :)
[20:56] <holstein> xubuntu711: im not saying your friend is wrong.. but, you can test and confirm that... if you can ping the router gateway, the you are getting an IP address
[20:56] <bekks> I am saying he is. :)
[20:57] <holstein> bekks: i'm going to wait til xubuntu711 discovers he is ;)
[20:57] <xubuntu711> sorry i can not ping there router i said it wrong he just told me
[20:57] <bekks> holstein: :D
[20:57] <holstein> xubuntu711: is this your router?
[20:57] <bekks> xubuntu711: So did you try to get a DHCP address manually?
[20:57] <xubuntu711> no
[20:57] <bekks> Why not?
[20:58] <bekks> How can you tell that DHCP isnt working then?
[20:58] <xubuntu711> i amnew i dont know how
[20:58] <bekks> Whats your network interface for wifi?
[20:58] <xubuntu711> my friend tested it
[20:58] <bekks> How do you know if you dont know how?
[20:58] <holstein> xubuntu711: how? by assigning a manually IP and testing? and the connection works?
[20:59] <xubuntu711> he did it and this is my laptop
[20:59] <bekks> Or just by running sudo dhclient interfacename
[20:59] <holstein> xubuntu711: did what?
[20:59] <bekks> Did he run that command?
[20:59] <xubuntu711> i was at the skating rink using there wifi
[20:59] <Sysi> doesn't networkmanager break dhclient
[21:00] <bekks> xubuntu711: Did your friend run the above command, yes or no?
[21:00] <bekks> Sysi: No.
[21:00] <bekks> Sysi: NM uses DHCP.
[21:00] <xubuntu711> no
[21:01] <bekks> xubuntu711: Then why did you tell us he did try that then?
[21:01] <bekks> xubuntu711: Whats the name of your interface for wifi?
[21:04] <xubuntu711> orangepanda-guest and ip is 192.168.33.1
[21:04] <bekks> Thats not an answer to my question.
[21:04] <holstein> xubuntu711: if you are on untrusted, unknown networks, you really get what you get.. you cant assume its an issue with the software or hardware
[21:05] <holstein> xubuntu711: i routinely run into issues on public wifi... that are gateway related
[21:05] <holstein> well, not routinely, but i have *never* had an OS related DHCP bug be the issues
[21:05] <Programmer_> chromium will not save as the default browser
[21:05] <Programmer_> and how do you update the menu after an application is removed
[21:06] <holstein> Programmer_: try sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[21:06] <xubuntu711> ok i will go to mcdonalds and see if i have the same   issue then i will come back here
[21:06] <bekks> Or just answer my question...
[21:06] <holstein> Programmer_: http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/customize-menu
[21:06] <bekks> No need to eat instead. :)
[21:06] <holstein> xubuntu711: that is not a trusted network either
[21:07] <holstein> xubuntu711: sometimes, i cylce the wifi chip on and off manually as well
[21:07] <xubuntu711> i was going to reinstall
[21:08] <holstein> xubuntu711: reinstall what?
[21:08] <xubuntu711> xubuntu
[21:08] <Programmer_> says google chrome is still installed
[21:08] <holstein> xubuntu711: do what you like, but you are assuming what the issue is without testing
[21:08] <holstein> Programmer_: what says what?
[21:08] <Programmer_> the menu
[21:08] <Programmer_> i removed google chrome
[21:09] <bekks> xubuntu711: Why dont you just answer my question? :)
[21:09] <holstein> Programmer_: i would wait til you log out or reboot to really be worried, otherwise, you can edit the menu witht the link i gave
[21:09] <xubuntu711> i dont know what that is
[21:09] <holstein> Programmer_: you should report the issues to the chrome team
[21:09] <bekks> xubuntu711: Put the output of the command "ifconfig -a" into a pastebin then, please.
[21:12] <bekks> Doesnt seem to be that urgent. :)
[21:17] <djGrothe_> Hello, I am having a problem with Steam, it's windows will not display correctly, with half of it's controls plain gray. I asked steam support, but with no reply. Does anyone here know what to do?
[21:18] <holstein> !steam
[21:18] <holstein> djGrothe_: other than messing with the drivers, not really
[21:18] <holstein> djGrothe_: steam suggests a PPA for drivers, are you using that? are you on what they suggest? 12.04 or whatever?
[21:18] <djGrothe_> 13.04
[21:19] <djGrothe_> I don't know what a PPA is
[21:20] <holstein> !ppa
[21:20] <holstein> djGrothe_: each time i launch steam, or when i did launch it, i had a pop suggesting the ppa i am suggesting
[21:20] <holstein> djGrothe_: AFAIK, steam offically supports 12.04
[21:21] <holstein> djGrothe_: all the ppa information is in that link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve
[21:23] <djGrothe_> k, thanks holstein
[21:39] <xubuntu996> Hello, I was wondering if xubuntu will install fine on my macbook pro 7,1?
[21:39] <holstein> !macbook | xubuntu996
[21:39] <holstein> try it live
[21:41] <xubuntu996> I've been trying to run it live
[21:41] <xubuntu996> but everytime i open the iso, I get "no mountable file systems"
[21:41] <holstein> xubuntu996: open the iso?
[21:42] <xubuntu996> yeah the xubuntu iso
[21:42] <holstein> xubuntu996: you can burn the iso to a disk.. using "copy". make a copy with the iso as the source and the disk as the destination
[21:42] <holstein> !unetbootin
[21:43] <holstein> ^^ you can use unetbootin, though i remember having trouble getting a few macs to usb boot, so i used plop from cd, doing the same ISO process above to burn a plop boot cd
[21:53] <xubuntu133> !steam
[22:12] <Sarah846> Hello?
[22:13] <knome> !hello | Sarah846
[22:13] <knome> err...
[22:13] <knome> !hi
[22:13] <Sarah846> Hi...sorry, clueless about hwo this goes...
[22:14] <Sarah846> I have a query about a video tearing problem and my xubuntu installation
[22:20] <nasir> my skype is not working pls help. i cannot login on the xubuntu app
[22:49] <ThOr101> So if I an VNC'd into a server, and the window manager fails (and I'm just a user).. is there a way to restart it? xdm claims it can only be run by root
[22:51] <holstein> ThOr101: can you ssh in?
[22:52] <ThOr101> Yes
[22:52] <holstein> i would ssh in and restart what i need.. or set it up to just forward x -X or whatever
[22:52] <ThOr101> And I have a terminal window open through the gui, just none of the minimize, maximize, and other window controls.
[22:53] <holstein> the gui?
[22:53] <holstein> what GUI?
[22:53] <ThOr101> Yeah, I have a bunch of people VNC(ing) into the system, so X11 forwarding isn't optimal for this system.
[22:53] <holstein> ThOr101: i would argue, a bunch of people vnc-ing in is not optimal
[22:54] <ThOr101> Well, it looks like I have X started, just without a window manager.  I'm able to run apps, they just don't seem to have a window manager.
[22:54] <holstein> i would use something like nomachine or thinlinc or freenx.. rdp maybe
[22:54] <ThOr101> In this case, it beats going to each Mac and Windows box and installing Cygwin and whatever the extra packages are these days for Mac.
[22:54] <holstein> ThOr101: VNC forwards the desktop
[22:55] <holstein> ThOr101: there are clients for windows and OS for thinlinc, nomachine, freenx...
[22:55] <ThOr101> Hmmmmm, that's an interesting point.  I'd rather not use RDP.
[22:55] <ThOr101> Yeah.. I like that idea.
[22:55] <holstein> dont use it.. but mutiple VNC is a bad idea
[22:56] <holstein> you want something where the session is forwarded, not a picture of the desktop
[22:56] <holstein> try nomachine
[22:56]  * ThOr101 is already reading some docs.  Thanks for the pointer!
[23:43] <ripplebit> guys I need help installing xubuntu. I've downloaded the image twice, burned onto usb, and everytime i get the same error when i try to boot: no operating system. please help
[23:43] <holstein> ripplebit: you dont "burn" a usb, so how are you making the stick?
[23:45] <ripplebit> holstein: ok i formatted the usb, created a partition (max size), then using unetbootin i put the xubuntu 13.04 image onto the usb, and it creates without error. But then i get the error when trying to boot
[23:45] <holstein> ripplebit: a fat32 partition?
[23:45] <ripplebit> correct
[23:46] <holstein> ripplebit: and the md5 sum checked out?
[23:46] <holstein> ripplebit: where are you getting what iso?
[23:46] <Unit193> What error?
[23:46] <ripplebit> from the xubuntu website
[23:46] <ripplebit> via ubuntu
[23:46] <ripplebit> .org
[23:46] <holstein> ripplebit: what link please.. and what iso
[23:47] <ripplebit> holstein: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/raring/release/
[23:47] <Unit193> Ah, I see.  Did you go into the BIOS and set it to boot from the USB device first?
[23:47] <holstein> yeah, thats is true as well ^^ you must have USB boot capabilities, and have it configured
[23:47] <ripplebit> Unit193: all i get is "no operating system", not sure if i can get into bios
[23:47] <holstein> ripplebit: you will have to get into the bios
[23:48] <holstein> ripplebit: you must be sure.. you must ask the machine to boot the USB.. otherwise, that is likely an error from whatever hard drive it is trying to boot
[23:48] <ripplebit> there doesn't seem to be an option. on my laptop it's f12, but there's no os so can i still access bios?
[23:48] <Unit193> F1, F2, F10-12, Esc.  Try those.
[23:48] <holstein> ripplebit: there must be, or you must boot a CD
[23:48] <holstein> ripplebit: still requires setting that up in the bios, however
[23:48] <SonikkuAmerica> *DVD. Xubuntu can't fit on a CD anymore (13.04)
[23:49] <holstein> sure.. *insert optical information here*
[23:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Grey eyes, 20/70 vision
[23:49] <SonikkuAmerica> XD
[23:49] <holstein> ;)
[23:50] <ripplebit> i must be doing something wrong, cos i got archlinux to boot. but its a new desktop with no os with it.
[23:51] <ripplebit> do i need to extract the iso?
[23:51] <holstein> ripplebit: it will be the same as it was for arch
[23:51] <holstein> ripplebit: no
[23:51] <ripplebit> holstein: i didn't use inetbootin for arch
[23:51] <holstein> ripplebit: you need to specifiy what device you want the machine to boot.. just as you did for arch
[23:51] <holstein> ripplebit: sure.. whatever you used for arch, that bios booted it.. if that was a CD or whatever
[23:52] <holstein> ripplebit: unetbootin is not the issue
[23:52] <ripplebit> well it was the usb, which had a copy of the linux boot image (which worked), so that might be why arch worked, cos i formatted the usb  after that
[23:53] <holstein> ripplebit: fact: no matter what you are trying to boot, you need to set that either in the bios or with a popup boot menu
[23:53] <holstein> ripplebit: why did arch boot? because you specified to the machine to boot the media
[23:54] <ripplebit> right, well im not sure what or how to get the machine to boot the xubuntu image
[23:54] <holstein> ripplebit: the same way.. you select the USB as the boot media in the bios, or with a popup from the machine
[23:54] <holstein> ripplebit: on my eeepc, i press esc, and select it
[23:54] <holstein> ripplebit: or, i go into the bios, and set it as the boot device
[23:56] <ripplebit> lol ok i mashy6ed mhy6 kehy6board and igt5 worked! gt5hy6anks ;)
[23:57] <SonikkuAmerica> You're... welcome?
[23:57] <holstein> ripplebit: sometimes you have to read it a few times.. to comprehend, or believe, or understand.. or whatever
[23:58] <ripplebit> im jusgt5 `used gt5o seingt5 some gt5exgt5 gt5ivingt5 me an opgt5ion of gt5hy6e bios, why6ichy6 i couldn'[-gt5 find.
[23:59] <holstein> ripplebit: each bios is different.. you can search for your machine and the bios.. you can try other keyboard presses for a temporary boot-popup.. you can try and read the screen at boot, and see if it says "boot selection press whatever"