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shadeslayerQuintasan: haha00:12
ScottKI hope someone is going to the release team BoF tomorrow.02:47
manchickenyofel: I added the base repo now, too.03:20
manchickenI resubmitted my merge request.03:20
manchickenJontheEchidna: I don't really know what else we could do about the QAptDecorator bit, I kinda wanted something we could pull out and put somewhere else if needed, too.03:20
manchickenJontheEchidna: I've thought about maybe just adding a KApt wrapper around it, but I don't think that we really have that much that we need to do here... so I thought that simplest would be best, and simplest seemed like a class method.03:21
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RiddellScottK: I'm at release bof, what shall I say?08:04
Riddellgeneral position is it would be ok but we have a selfish preference for 6 months cos that matches08:04
Riddellif going with three months a .3 and maybe .4 bugfix release would be nice but it's ok to exponentially increase the time between bugfix releases08:04
shadeslayerRiddell: did you bring that up yet ?08:53
Riddellshadeslayer: nope08:54
shadeslayerok 08:54
shadeslayeryofel: Riddell for us it is mostly about getting the feature releases in ubuntu backports 09:03
shadeslayeror longer support ...09:04
yofelshadeslayer: well, if the changes are smaller, we *could* maybe take that up with the TB again. With the full backport procedure that's simply impossible, we would need some kind of macro backport exception09:05
shadeslayertrue 09:05
shadeslayercan we ask for a full archive rebuild against a PPA or sth ?09:05
shadeslayerfor a release that has been out 09:06
Riddella full archive rebuild against a PPA: I really doubt it09:07
shadeslayerHm 09:08
shadeslayerif we can figure out that part of the infrastructure on our side, wouldnt it be easier for us ?09:08
yofeldo we need a full archive rebuild?09:11
Riddellyeah what would that be for?09:11
yofelwe need to *check* all reverse dependencies, and possibly fix some09:11
yofelbut we don't need to generically rebuild everything (that's what symbols files were e.g. for?)09:11
shadeslayeryofel: does the check entail only checking installabillity or compiling as well ?09:14
yofelshadeslayer: both + runnability09:14
yofele.g. that the kipi-plugins need to be rebuilt can't be figured out without actually trying to run them09:14
shadeslayerright, so maybe not a full archive rebuild, but can we make a subset of packages that we can create somehow ?09:15
shadeslayerand ask for a rebuild of those 09:15
yofelit would still be a rather large list... 09:16
shadeslayerI just think Riddell's point that it would fix more bugs than it would create is very valid 09:17
debfxare you talking about putting a whole KDE release into the official backports repo?09:20
yofelthat was his plan09:20
debfxthere is a technical problem about that: you can only selectively install packages from backports (except when you change the pinning)09:21
yofelbackground: albert asked why ubuntu can push out new firefox releases to every ubuntu release, but we can't update KDE09:21
yofelgood point09:21
yofelthough now I remember that the firefox packages are pretty self-contained09:22
yofelthey had to change the packaging quite a bit back when they started doing those feature updates09:22
debfxfirefox isn't in *-backports, it's in security (and thus also updates)09:23
shadeslayerright 09:24
debfxyeah they had to change a few things, like killing all extension packages and everything that depends on xulrunner09:25
shadeslayerheh ...09:26
shadeslayerso basically I want to make sure Kubuntu uses supported KDE releases, something that was not viable during the 18 month cycle, but seems fairly viable now 09:27
Riddell4 month release cycle seems to be popular09:30
shadeslayerstill doesn't solve our support issue ?09:32
yofelwould mean we would skip releases irregularily as well09:32
RiddellQuintasan: <yofel> can you finish 4.11, there are  like 2 packages left with missing files10:03
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BluesKaj_Hiyas all11:53
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ScottKFirefox is an exception because of the vast array of security issues in the code and the upstream release model, it's impossible to support otherwise (Chromium too).13:19
ScottKWe could probably sell QtWebKt upgrades similarly, but that's about it.13:19
ScottKRiddell: How'd the BoF go?13:20
lordievaderGood afternoon.13:58
apacheloggeragateau: I'll probably freeze about-distro tomorrow in case you want anything changed still15:00
* apachelogger sighs at bzr15:25
apacheloggeryofel: plz note that runtime had an intermediate change15:26
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ping15:28
soeehows the work on RC1 going?15:39
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ScottKCan someone else test 4.10.5 and put their results in the bug?  It's sufficiently aged tomorrow, but I'm a little reluctant to release it just based on my testing.19:00
yofelapachelogger: oh, so I still need like half of the patch?22:30
yofelI just made kdelibs 4.10.95 build the udisks2 backend instead of the udisks one as an experiment (The Limux intend to use 4.11 on 12.04 with udisks2. Not sure how sane that is but lets try it out on 13.10 at least)22:37
yofel*limux folks22:37
yofelI'll be at the solid sprint tomorrow to get more information on that22:38
* yofel is off to bed22:38
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