einwindiris this chat active?00:15
holsteineinwindir: sometimes00:15
einwindiras long as there's one person.00:15
einwindirI'm using Mint, and i want to switch to Ubuntu 12.0400:15
einwindirTrying to use UNetbootin so i can boot from usb00:16
einwindirwill i need to do download ubuntu 12.04 in addition to following the steps in unetbootin?00:16
holsteinim using unet right now00:16
holsteinfrom fedora to make a debian USB stick00:17
holsteinjust grab the iso, and point unet to the downloaded iso. i like to format the sticks with gparted to far32 before each time00:17
einwindirany idea where i can find the iso?00:17
ubot93Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Raring, and help keeping the servers' load low!00:17
einwindirtrying to get it from ubuntu site, and i can only find PC or Mac00:17
holsteinwhat are you wanting it for?00:18
einwindirI'm finding too many issues with Mint.00:19
einwindirI'm trying to ween myself from Windows. Figured I would give Mint a show since it's more or less a gateway00:19
einwindirI use my computer mostly for music. While I really like Mint as a whole, the audio issues are just too much.00:20
einwindir(extremely low sound.)00:20
holsteini'll tell you how i did it..00:20
einwindirI haven't heard of any problems with Ubuntu, so i figured I'd give it a try00:21
holsteini installed linux, back then, it was mepis i used.. i put it on my daily laptop00:21
holsteinand i used it.. for everything00:21
m6121Yes, I just switched to Ubuntu from Mint.00:21
m6121How the blazes to you get to "see" what programs you have open other than <ALT><TAB>? btw.00:21
holsteini went to windows if i was in a hurry.. otherwise, i did *everything* in linux00:22
holsteinprinting.. basic stuff..  file management..00:22
holsteinthe deal is, remove the crutch.. and use the tools00:23
holsteineinwindir: pick a distro and stick with it.. TBH, the tools are mostly the same00:23
holsteinm6121: are you using unity?00:23
holsteinm6121: im not sure in unity.. i run openbox with a tint2 panel in ubuntu.. and i have tint setup as a more traditional setup00:24
holsteinxubuntu is a nice offering that is a good balance00:24
m6121I am still having trouble keeping "Linux" "Debian" "Mint" "Cinammon" "LDE" all straight in my head.00:24
m6121A flow chart might help.  :)00:24
m6121Are you correcting my spelling, or making a recommendation?00:25
einwindirno no no. sorry about that. i was just answering. didn't mean to correct...wasn't even sure if my spelling was correct either.00:26
einwindirI really like the layout. It's as close to Windows as you can get, while still feeling like something different.00:26
einwindirBut the audio signal is about 20% of what it was when I was using Windows.00:27
m6121The last whirl before Ubuntu was Linux Mint Cinnamon.  If I'm saying it right.00:27
holstein!audio | einwindir00:27
ubot93einwindir: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.00:27
m6121The first was Linux Mint Mate.00:27
einwindirI've raised all the levels in every mixer i could find...to no avail00:27
holsteini usually install pavucontrol00:27
holsteinyou can look in the terminal running alsamixer ..trust no labels00:27
einwindiri've used pavu and alsa00:28
einwindireverything is maxed.00:28
m6121So, holstein, what is Xubuntu?  Is that "Ubuntu" with a different look than Unity?00:28
holsteineinwindir: then, you can try other live CDs with different alsa versions and kernels00:28
holsteineinwindir: might not be "good" support for your hardware, unfortunately00:28
holstein!xubuntu | m612100:28
ubot93m6121: Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce as the desktop environment. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels00:28
holsteinxubuntu is an official ubuntu version00:29
m6121So it is equivalent to Mint, or I am doing apples and grapefruits?00:30
einwindirhave you used both mint and ubuntu?00:30
m6121Today is my first day with Ubuntu.00:30
einwindirhow is it so far?00:31
m6121I am enjoying it.  It seems a little more rock-solid than Mint.00:32
einwindirare you experiencing the same sound level issues?00:32
m6121Mint/Cinnamon would error out whenever I would shut it down.00:32
m6121But this is weird to get used to.00:33
m6121I was using Rhytmbox to play a recorded album.  I closed Rythmbox.  It's still playing.  Luckily, it's The Belfast Cowboy, so I'm not mad.00:34
holsteinwell, mint uses ubuntu as its base00:36
holsteinboth are debian derivitives00:36
m6121So, since this is the room to ask questions...00:37
holsteinm6121: error out? or just give a message?00:37
m6121If Linux is the kernal, what is Ubuntu vs Debian vs Mint?  I understand they are related, but I don't understand the categories.00:37
holsteinm6121: every OS has a kernel00:38
holsteinm6121: linux is the kernel.. that the code that is the kernel00:38
m6121Oh, you mean the music?  No error, it's just rolling along ghost like.00:38
m6121so how are Ubuntu and Debian connected?00:38
holsteinyou and i, for example could say "lets make an operating system"00:38
holsteini might say, "hey, lets use the linux kernel"00:38
holsteinwe would go to https://www.kernel.org/ and get it00:39
holsteinand then we would start building00:39
holsteinfrom scratch00:39
holsteinit would be challening..and we might say "hey, why build from scratch, why not just use debian?"00:39
holsteinso, we could go get debian00:39
holsteinthen, we would start using it..00:39
m6121So debian 'sits on top of Linux'?00:39
holsteinwe might say "hey, this is not eactly the way i want it.. i would like to have different versions of some software, and different configs"00:40
holsteinthen, that would be (very bascially) what ubuntu is00:40
holsteina snapshot of debian, kind of, that is customized00:40
holsteinbut, the ubuntu community maintains and repackages, and updates. and backports00:40
holsteinits really its own thing00:41
holsteinso, someone else might say "hey, lets just use ubuntu"00:41
m6121So, "LInux > Debian > Ubuntu" ?00:41
holsteinbut, then they might find, its not exactly what they want, so thats how you would get mint00:41
holsteinm6121: linux is just the kernel00:41
holsteinm6121: there are many other packages and configs that make up ubuntu00:41
holsteinm6121: dont overthink it00:42
holsteinjust, try and keep in mind, that they are similar, but quite differnt.. and the differences are mostly preferential00:42
m6121Oh, the people I've dated who have told me THAT,00:42
holsteinin side ubuntu for example00:42
m6121Well, I kinda like Ubunto so far.00:42
holsteinxubuntu *is* ubuntu00:42
holsteinbut, differently configured.. differnt desktops00:43
holsteinyou dont have to use ubuntu to be taking advangtage of ubuntu and its community00:43
m6121what is in side?00:44
holsteinlike, within the official ubuntus spins00:44
holsteinthese are questions you can ask about things that are *all* ubuntu00:45
holsteinwhats the difference? whats the same00:45
m6121So, "Red Hat" is Linux, but it isn't Ubuntu (or Debian either)?00:45
ubot93!Kubuntu and !Xubuntu are simply flavors of Ubuntu that come with KDE and Xfce (respectively) installed as default, instead of Unity. Other specialized flavors of Ubuntu include !Edubuntu, Ubuntu !Studio,  !Mythbuntu, and !Lubuntu00:45
holsteinm6121: right.. redhat is a different thing00:46
holsteinm6121: same kernel.. can have the same tools00:46
holsteinm6121: can have a similar look and feel00:46
m6121And how did you come across Xubuntu as opposed to ... Unity?00:46
m6121choice or that's just where you started?00:46
holsteini was using gnome200:46
holsteini dont like/want unity.. there are always other options00:47
m6121Is gnome analagous to ubuntu?00:47
holsteinm6121: gnome is gnome00:47
holsteinits a desktop environment00:47
holsteinits what ubuntu was using00:47
holsteinmain ubuntu00:47
m6121so... what is Unity?   Gnome also, or other?00:48
holsteinand, also ubuntustudio was using it.. and i think mythbuntu00:48
ubot93Unity is the default UI since Ubuntu 11.04.  Unity is a shell for GNOME. see http://unity.ubuntu.com. For a GNOME 2-like experience, see !notunity00:48
holsteinm6121: desktop environments00:48
holsteinm6121: in windows, you pretty much get what you get.. in linux, there are many options00:48
holsteinim not saying its "better" .. there are just more options, and i prefer that00:49
m6121yeah, too many years in Bill Gates' world, so I guess I'm getting my brain to rethink this.00:49
m6121what was that ? apt-get command to get xubuntu?00:50
holsteinm6121: i would just get xfce00:50
ubot93Xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce as the desktop environment. More info at http://www.xubuntu.org/ - To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop » - Join #xubuntu for support - See also: !Ubuntu and !Xubuntu-Channels00:50
holsteinjust search the package manager of your choice for xfce and install xfce400:50
holsteinnot the entire desktop00:50
holsteinOR, just download it and try it live, or in virtualbox00:51
holsteinyou can really break what you currently have trying to add others in00:51
m6121speaking of ouch, I just got a pop-up that said ... "12.04" experienced an error.00:53
holsteinthere is no "linux" or "ubuntu" making a machine for you to have a great experience on00:53
holsteinyou bought what you bought, and you have an agreement.. to run windows on that hardware00:54
holsteinyou are choosing to do something else.. and that can have consequenses00:54
m6121Well, I've managed to set my \HOME directory on a separate partition, so reinstalling xfce4 shouldn't be a big deal [he says...]00:54
holsteinm6121: yeah, that shoud be easier then00:54
m6121Oh, yeah, Windows 8 is in a box somewhere.00:54
m6121No love lost.00:54
m6121Well, holstein, I might give that a try.  Suppertime now.  Thank you!00:56
molineFor some reason, I am unable to access my 'downloads' folder. I can see the folder, and it says it has 18 items, but it does not open when I click on it. Any ideas?05:10
shahanI have downloaded all updates through update manager. but these are not installing !08:02
shahanubuntu 12.04 32bit. updates are approx. 350MB. This is my first update after installing.08:03
shahanI have downloaded all updates through update manager. but these are not installing ! ubuntu 12.04 32bit. updates are approx. 350MB. This is my first update after installing.. What can I do now?08:14
wilee-nileeshahan, You get an error or something what is happening?08:16
shahanno wilee-nilee08:16
shahanwilee-nilee: no08:17
wilee-nilee!details | shahan08:17
ubot93shahan: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."08:17
wilee-nileeshahan, In the terminal copy and paste this sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade08:18
shahanI have downloaded all updates through update manager. And few packages not downloaded. they show failed. And almost all others successfully downloaded. But these have not installed. such as still my Firefox is version 18.0.2 and all others are same.08:19
shahanwilee-nilee: ok08:19
wilee-nileeshahan, Any partial update notices?08:19
shahanwilee-nilee: its downloading now 48MB. let me check until then :)08:20
shahanit will take aprox 15 min wilee-nilee08:20
wilee-nileecool, on occasion you will see partial notices, just wait till they go away, it is usually dependencies waiting, on occasion you will run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade as well08:21
shahanwilee-nilee: ok08:22
wilee-nileegood luck gotta crash, if you have more problems try the #ubuntu channel08:26
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Spookydadhello I am having a problem with a program not recognizing my usb port19:40
Spookydadit is probably a config issue19:41
Spookydadbecause the port owrks fine19:41
Spookydadhow do I make a USB port available to all programs? Pronterface.py finds the port but Creator from Simplify3d can't on the same machine19:46
SonikkuAmericaWhat is your USB port connecting exactly?19:47
SpookydadI have a 3d printer attached to the usb port19:48
SonikkuAmericaWhat Ubuntu flavor is this... Ubuntu (with Unity), Kubuntu (KDE), Xubuntu (XFCE), Lubuntu (LXDE)...?19:48
SonikkuAmericaAnd what version?19:48
Spookydadpronterface.py finds it on /dev/ttyUSB0 but creator only offers ttyUSB0 I am using 12.0419:49
SpookydadUbuntu 12.0419:49
SpookydadThis is my first linux machine19:49
SonikkuAmericaSpookydad: If the USB device is detected on /dev/ttyUSB0, then Creator is reading the port correctly (as ttyUSB0, as the Python file [Pronterface.py, did you say?] said it was)19:51
Spookydaddoes that help?19:51
SpookydadCreator offers a huge list of possible choices starting at ttys0 and going up through ttys30 along with ttyusb019:53
SonikkuAmericaSpookydad: Since ttyUSB0 is where the device is connected, you should select that.19:53
SpookydadI select that one and then Creator says it can't connect to the printer19:54
Spookydadpronterface.py only offers the /dev/ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1 if I disconnect and reconnect to the printer19:55
SpookydadI suspect Creator isn't actually "detecting" the ports, just offering possible choices19:55
Spookydadis that a correct assumption?19:56
SonikkuAmericaYep. (By the way, have you tried a program called Blender?)19:56
SpookydadI tried Blender many years ago but not since I got the 3d printer19:57
SonikkuAmericaAs far as I know, Blender fully supports 3D image generation and printing.19:58
SpookydadI am trying to get a reprappro mendel to work19:58
SpookydadThe printer works with Slic3r and pronterface but there is no 3d preview to see what will be printed19:59
SpookydadI am not familiar with Linux enough to know what the config issue is20:00
SpookydadSo this a Creator issue not a Ubuntu config issue?20:04
SonikkuAmericaSpookydad: That would be my guess.20:46
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