[00:15] <einwindir> is this chat active?
[00:15] <holstein> einwindir: sometimes
[00:15] <einwindir> as long as there's one person.
[00:15] <einwindir> I'm using Mint, and i want to switch to Ubuntu 12.04
[00:16] <einwindir> Trying to use UNetbootin so i can boot from usb
[00:16] <einwindir> will i need to do download ubuntu 12.04 in addition to following the steps in unetbootin?
[00:16] <holstein> sure
[00:16] <holstein> im using unet right now
[00:17] <holstein> from fedora to make a debian USB stick
[00:17] <holstein> just grab the iso, and point unet to the downloaded iso. i like to format the sticks with gparted to far32 before each time
[00:17] <einwindir> any idea where i can find the iso?
[00:17] <holstein> !download
[00:17] <einwindir> trying to get it from ubuntu site, and i can only find PC or Mac
[00:18] <holstein> what are you wanting it for?
[00:18] <holstein> arm?
[00:19] <einwindir> thanks
[00:19] <einwindir> I'm finding too many issues with Mint.
[00:19] <einwindir> I'm trying to ween myself from Windows. Figured I would give Mint a show since it's more or less a gateway
[00:20] <einwindir> I use my computer mostly for music. While I really like Mint as a whole, the audio issues are just too much.
[00:20] <einwindir> (extremely low sound.)
[00:20] <holstein> i'll tell you how i did it..
[00:21] <einwindir> I haven't heard of any problems with Ubuntu, so i figured I'd give it a try
[00:21] <holstein> i installed linux, back then, it was mepis i used.. i put it on my daily laptop
[00:21] <holstein> and i used it.. for everything
[00:21] <m6121> Yes, I just switched to Ubuntu from Mint.
[00:21] <m6121> How the blazes to you get to "see" what programs you have open other than <ALT><TAB>? btw.
[00:22] <holstein> i went to windows if i was in a hurry.. otherwise, i did *everything* in linux
[00:22] <holstein> printing.. basic stuff..  file management..
[00:23] <holstein> the deal is, remove the crutch.. and use the tools
[00:23] <holstein> einwindir: pick a distro and stick with it.. TBH, the tools are mostly the same
[00:23] <holstein> m6121: are you using unity?
[00:24] <m6121> Yes.
[00:24] <holstein> m6121: im not sure in unity.. i run openbox with a tint2 panel in ubuntu.. and i have tint setup as a more traditional setup
[00:24] <holstein> xubuntu is a nice offering that is a good balance
[00:24] <m6121> I am still having trouble keeping "Linux" "Debian" "Mint" "Cinammon" "LDE" all straight in my head.
[00:24] <m6121> A flow chart might help.  :)
[00:24] <einwindir> cinnamon
[00:25] <m6121> Are you correcting my spelling, or making a recommendation?
[00:25] <m6121> :)
[00:26] <einwindir> no no no. sorry about that. i was just answering. didn't mean to correct...wasn't even sure if my spelling was correct either.
[00:26] <einwindir> I really like the layout. It's as close to Windows as you can get, while still feeling like something different.
[00:27] <einwindir> But the audio signal is about 20% of what it was when I was using Windows.
[00:27] <m6121> The last whirl before Ubuntu was Linux Mint Cinnamon.  If I'm saying it right.
[00:27] <holstein> !audio | einwindir
[00:27] <m6121> The first was Linux Mint Mate.
[00:27] <einwindir> I've raised all the levels in every mixer i could find...to no avail
[00:27] <holstein> i usually install pavucontrol
[00:27] <holstein> you can look in the terminal running alsamixer ..trust no labels
[00:28] <einwindir> i've used pavu and alsa
[00:28] <einwindir> everything is maxed.
[00:28] <m6121> So, holstein, what is Xubuntu?  Is that "Ubuntu" with a different look than Unity?
[00:28] <holstein> einwindir: then, you can try other live CDs with different alsa versions and kernels
[00:28] <holstein> einwindir: might not be "good" support for your hardware, unfortunately
[00:28] <holstein> !xubuntu | m6121
[00:29] <holstein> xubuntu is an official ubuntu version
[00:30] <m6121> So it is equivalent to Mint, or I am doing apples and grapefruits?
[00:30] <einwindir> have you used both mint and ubuntu?
[00:30] <m6121> Today is my first day with Ubuntu.
[00:31] <einwindir> how is it so far?
[00:32] <m6121> I am enjoying it.  It seems a little more rock-solid than Mint.
[00:32] <einwindir> are you experiencing the same sound level issues?
[00:32] <m6121> Mint/Cinnamon would error out whenever I would shut it down.
[00:33] <m6121> But this is weird to get used to.
[00:34] <m6121> I was using Rhytmbox to play a recorded album.  I closed Rythmbox.  It's still playing.  Luckily, it's The Belfast Cowboy, so I'm not mad.
[00:36] <holstein> well, mint uses ubuntu as its base
[00:36] <holstein> both are debian derivitives
[00:37] <m6121> So, since this is the room to ask questions...
[00:37] <holstein> m6121: error out? or just give a message?
[00:37] <m6121> If Linux is the kernal, what is Ubuntu vs Debian vs Mint?  I understand they are related, but I don't understand the categories.
[00:38] <holstein> m6121: every OS has a kernel
[00:38] <holstein> m6121: linux is the kernel.. that the code that is the kernel
[00:38] <m6121> Oh, you mean the music?  No error, it's just rolling along ghost like.
[00:38] <m6121> so how are Ubuntu and Debian connected?
[00:38] <holstein> you and i, for example could say "lets make an operating system"
[00:38] <holstein> i might say, "hey, lets use the linux kernel"
[00:39] <holstein> we would go to https://www.kernel.org/ and get it
[00:39] <holstein> and then we would start building
[00:39] <holstein> from scratch
[00:39] <m6121> ok
[00:39] <m6121> and...
[00:39] <holstein> it would be challening..and we might say "hey, why build from scratch, why not just use debian?"
[00:39] <holstein> so, we could go get debian
[00:39] <holstein> then, we would start using it..
[00:39] <m6121> So debian 'sits on top of Linux'?
[00:40] <holstein> we might say "hey, this is not eactly the way i want it.. i would like to have different versions of some software, and different configs"
[00:40] <holstein> then, that would be (very bascially) what ubuntu is
[00:40] <holstein> a snapshot of debian, kind of, that is customized
[00:40] <holstein> but, the ubuntu community maintains and repackages, and updates. and backports
[00:41] <holstein> its really its own thing
[00:41] <holstein> so, someone else might say "hey, lets just use ubuntu"
[00:41] <m6121> So, "LInux > Debian > Ubuntu" ?
[00:41] <holstein> but, then they might find, its not exactly what they want, so thats how you would get mint
[00:41] <holstein> m6121: linux is just the kernel
[00:41] <holstein> m6121: there are many other packages and configs that make up ubuntu
[00:42] <holstein> m6121: dont overthink it
[00:42] <holstein> just, try and keep in mind, that they are similar, but quite differnt.. and the differences are mostly preferential
[00:42] <m6121> Oh, the people I've dated who have told me THAT,
[00:42] <m6121> LOL
[00:42] <holstein> in side ubuntu for example
[00:42] <m6121> Well, I kinda like Ubunto so far.
[00:42] <holstein> xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[00:42] <m6121> Ubuntu
[00:43] <holstein> but, differently configured.. differnt desktops
[00:43] <holstein> you dont have to use ubuntu to be taking advangtage of ubuntu and its community
[00:44] <m6121> what is in side?
[00:44] <holstein> like, within the official ubuntus spins
[00:45] <holstein> these are questions you can ask about things that are *all* ubuntu
[00:45] <holstein> whats the difference? whats the same
[00:45] <m6121> So, "Red Hat" is Linux, but it isn't Ubuntu (or Debian either)?
[00:45] <Unit193> !flavors
[00:46] <holstein> m6121: right.. redhat is a different thing
[00:46] <m6121> okay
[00:46] <holstein> m6121: same kernel.. can have the same tools
[00:46] <holstein> m6121: can have a similar look and feel
[00:46] <m6121> And how did you come across Xubuntu as opposed to ... Unity?
[00:46] <m6121> choice or that's just where you started?
[00:46] <holstein> i was using gnome2
[00:47] <holstein> i dont like/want unity.. there are always other options
[00:47] <m6121> Is gnome analagous to ubuntu?
[00:47] <holstein> m6121: gnome is gnome
[00:47] <holstein> its a desktop environment
[00:47] <holstein> its what ubuntu was using
[00:47] <holstein> main ubuntu
[00:48] <m6121> so... what is Unity?   Gnome also, or other?
[00:48] <holstein> and, also ubuntustudio was using it.. and i think mythbuntu
[00:48] <holstein> !unity
[00:48] <holstein> m6121: desktop environments
[00:48] <holstein> m6121: in windows, you pretty much get what you get.. in linux, there are many options
[00:49] <holstein> im not saying its "better" .. there are just more options, and i prefer that
[00:49] <m6121> yeah, too many years in Bill Gates' world, so I guess I'm getting my brain to rethink this.
[00:50] <m6121> what was that ? apt-get command to get xubuntu?
[00:50] <holstein> m6121: i would just get xfce
[00:50] <holstein> !xfce
[00:50] <holstein> just search the package manager of your choice for xfce and install xfce4
[00:50] <holstein> not the entire desktop
[00:51] <holstein> OR, just download it and try it live, or in virtualbox
[00:51] <holstein> you can really break what you currently have trying to add others in
[00:51] <m6121> ouch
[00:53] <m6121> speaking of ouch, I just got a pop-up that said ... "12.04" experienced an error.
[00:53] <holstein> sure
[00:53] <holstein> there is no "linux" or "ubuntu" making a machine for you to have a great experience on
[00:54] <holstein> you bought what you bought, and you have an agreement.. to run windows on that hardware
[00:54] <holstein> you are choosing to do something else.. and that can have consequenses
[00:54] <m6121> Well, I've managed to set my \HOME directory on a separate partition, so reinstalling xfce4 shouldn't be a big deal [he says...]
[00:54] <holstein> m6121: yeah, that shoud be easier then
[00:54] <m6121> Oh, yeah, Windows 8 is in a box somewhere.
[00:54] <m6121> No love lost.
[00:56] <m6121> Well, holstein, I might give that a try.  Suppertime now.  Thank you!
[05:10] <moline> For some reason, I am unable to access my 'downloads' folder. I can see the folder, and it says it has 18 items, but it does not open when I click on it. Any ideas?
[08:02] <shahan> I have downloaded all updates through update manager. but these are not installing !
[08:03] <shahan> ubuntu 12.04 32bit. updates are approx. 350MB. This is my first update after installing.
[08:14] <shahan> ?
[08:14] <shahan> I have downloaded all updates through update manager. but these are not installing ! ubuntu 12.04 32bit. updates are approx. 350MB. This is my first update after installing.. What can I do now?
[08:16] <wilee-nilee> shahan, You get an error or something what is happening?
[08:16] <shahan> no wilee-nilee
[08:17] <shahan> wilee-nilee: no
[08:17] <wilee-nilee> !details | shahan
[08:18] <wilee-nilee> shahan, In the terminal copy and paste this sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:19] <shahan> I have downloaded all updates through update manager. And few packages not downloaded. they show failed. And almost all others successfully downloaded. But these have not installed. such as still my Firefox is version 18.0.2 and all others are same.
[08:19] <shahan> wilee-nilee: ok
[08:19] <wilee-nilee> shahan, Any partial update notices?
[08:20] <shahan> wilee-nilee: its downloading now 48MB. let me check until then :)
[08:20] <shahan> it will take aprox 15 min wilee-nilee
[08:21] <wilee-nilee> cool, on occasion you will see partial notices, just wait till they go away, it is usually dependencies waiting, on occasion you will run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade as well
[08:22] <shahan> wilee-nilee: ok
[08:26] <wilee-nilee> good luck gotta crash, if you have more problems try the #ubuntu channel
[19:40] <Spookydad> hello I am having a problem with a program not recognizing my usb port
[19:41] <Spookydad> it is probably a config issue
[19:41] <Spookydad> because the port owrks fine
[19:46] <Spookydad> how do I make a USB port available to all programs? Pronterface.py finds the port but Creator from Simplify3d can't on the same machine
[19:47] <SonikkuAmerica> What is your USB port connecting exactly?
[19:48] <Spookydad> I have a 3d printer attached to the usb port
[19:48] <SonikkuAmerica> What Ubuntu flavor is this... Ubuntu (with Unity), Kubuntu (KDE), Xubuntu (XFCE), Lubuntu (LXDE)...?
[19:48] <SonikkuAmerica> And what version?
[19:49] <Spookydad> pronterface.py finds it on /dev/ttyUSB0 but creator only offers ttyUSB0 I am using 12.04
[19:49] <Spookydad> Ubuntu 12.04
[19:49] <Spookydad> This is my first linux machine
[19:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Spookydad: If the USB device is detected on /dev/ttyUSB0, then Creator is reading the port correctly (as ttyUSB0, as the Python file [Pronterface.py, did you say?] said it was)
[19:51] <Spookydad> does that help?
[19:53] <Spookydad> Creator offers a huge list of possible choices starting at ttys0 and going up through ttys30 along with ttyusb0
[19:53] <SonikkuAmerica> Spookydad: Since ttyUSB0 is where the device is connected, you should select that.
[19:54] <Spookydad> I select that one and then Creator says it can't connect to the printer
[19:55] <Spookydad> pronterface.py only offers the /dev/ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1 if I disconnect and reconnect to the printer
[19:55] <Spookydad> I suspect Creator isn't actually "detecting" the ports, just offering possible choices
[19:56] <Spookydad> is that a correct assumption?
[19:56] <SonikkuAmerica> Yep. (By the way, have you tried a program called Blender?)
[19:57] <Spookydad> I tried Blender many years ago but not since I got the 3d printer
[19:58] <SonikkuAmerica> As far as I know, Blender fully supports 3D image generation and printing.
[19:58] <Spookydad> I am trying to get a reprappro mendel to work
[19:59] <Spookydad> The printer works with Slic3r and pronterface but there is no 3d preview to see what will be printed
[20:00] <Spookydad> I am not familiar with Linux enough to know what the config issue is
[20:04] <Spookydad> So this a Creator issue not a Ubuntu config issue?
[20:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Spookydad: That would be my guess.