[02:10] <kidx> Hello
[02:10] <roasted> hello
[02:11] <kidx> I wanna install alpha and help ind issues would this be iwse also i am a a gamer and running steam would it be wise to find errors with steam? also are you guys gona support steam and other gaming title just like ubuntu?
[02:12] <kidx> is your goal the same as ubuntu or just wondering casue i love gaming and love Gnome?
[02:13] <roasted> I'm not a developer, so I can't directly comment, but I can't imagine Ubuntu GNOME would be wildly different than Ubuntu in terms of gaming.
[02:13] <roasted> Ubuntu GNOME is built on the Ubuntu base.
[02:13] <roasted> And even if it wasn't, Steam is running on countless other Linux distros. Fedora, openSUSE, etc.
[02:13] <kidx> so whast the idea here
[02:14] <roasted> Ubuntu is based on Unity
[02:14] <roasted> Ubuntu GNOME is based on Gnome
[02:14] <roasted> It's the front end, the desktop environment which is different.
[02:14] <kidx> the ubuntu gnome main site said its easy to install true or false?
[02:14] <roasted> Ubuntu GNOME intends to be built on the Ubuntu base while being as pure Gnome as possible.
[02:14] <roasted> Oh yes.
[02:15] <kidx> so pretty much same as ubunut base with gnome so every thing is compatible correct?
[02:15] <roasted> I've never had an issue installing any sort of Linux distro, for the most part. Some are different but most are easy.
[02:15] <roasted> If it's compatible with Ubuntu, it's compatible with Ubuntu GNOME.
[02:15] <kidx> awsome
[02:15] <kidx> thast what i wanna hear
[02:15] <roasted> The only time that might not be true is if you're trying to install a Unity-specific feature (like a new lens or something) into Ubuntu GNOME.
[02:15] <kidx> i am installing alpha now to look for bugs
[02:15] <roasted> But that would be due to, well, not having Unity, since Ubuntu is Unity and Ubuntu GNOME is Gnome. :P
[02:15] <roasted> Nice. I'm running the alpha on my end too.
[02:16] <roasted> I had some issues with system hardlocks on the 3.8 kernel, which is what 13.04 is based on. The 13.10 alpha comes with kernel 3.10, and I've had *no* issues with it.
[02:16] <roasted> Apport comes up now and then saying it found an issue, but I've never had any actual stability issues to report.
[02:16] <roasted> For being in alpha, it seems pretty solid. I've never ran an alpha OS before. I'm a believer in LTS releases.
[02:16] <kidx> 12.10 was bad
[02:17] <kidx> i skipped it
[02:17] <roasted> But since Ubuntu GNOME is young yet, it missed the 12.04 LTS mark, so... here I am.
[02:17] <roasted> Yea I ran 12.10 for all but two days before I went back to 12.04.
[02:17] <roasted> On Unity, that is.
[02:17] <roasted> I didn't use Ubuntu GNOME in 12.10 days when it was the remix.
[02:17] <roasted> I was still trying to tolerate Unity.
[02:17] <kidx> unity is ok minux amazon
[02:17] <roasted> yeah
[02:17] <kidx> i hope none of that goes in here
[02:18] <roasted> The amazon thing ENRAGES me.
[02:18] <roasted> oh my gosh I doubt it ever would.
[02:18] <kidx> good
[02:18] <roasted> Gnome would never allow it, and Ubuntu GNOME aims to be directly in line with Gnome as much as possible.
[02:18] <kidx> i love this version just needs testers
[02:18] <kidx> ill be testing teh hell out of this
[02:18] <roasted> good deal!
[02:18] <kidx> 24/7 gaming and every thing
[02:18] <roasted> Lots of good guys in here.
[02:18] <roasted> I've had conversations with a few of the devs. They're great.
[02:18] <roasted> Volunteering their time and energy to make this distro spin amazing while listening to end users like me. Gotta love it.
[02:19] <kidx> never met teh gnome devs here
[02:19] <roasted> Yeah, there's a handful of them here. Great guys.
[02:19] <kidx> i need help installiong graphic drivers for my ati
[02:19] <kidx> amd
[02:19] <kidx> HD5770
[02:19] <kidx> thats all
[02:19] <kidx> and i am off to the races
[02:19] <roasted> It wouldn't be any different in Ubuntu GNOME than what it was in Ubuntu.
[02:20] <roasted> Just need to enable it in your additional drivers tab of the software sources menu.
[02:20] <kidx> just burning now and gona install oh does teh fan club driver installer work here
[02:20] <roasted> Also, good luck. AMD/ATI hasn't been the best with Linux support.
[02:20] <kidx> with gnome it has for me
[02:20] <roasted> Hopefully that card, being relatively new and all (if I recall), would yield better results.
[02:20] <roasted> I personally stick to Intel and Nvidia GPUs and Intel or Atheros wifi chips.
[02:21] <kidx> intel could not run a game more than 60fps maxed out lol
[02:21] <kidx> and they are a cpu dev not graphics
[02:21] <roasted> yeah, Intel GPUs aren't largely used for gaming.
[02:21] <kidx> nvidia i say yea
[02:21] <roasted> I prefer them for laptops, though, since gaming on laptops is kind of LOL.
[02:21] <kidx> but i had issue with nvidia in the past
[02:21] <roasted> They work great for HTPC setups though.
[02:21] <roasted> Nvidia used to be meh a few years ago.
[02:22] <roasted> Ever since Linus Torvalds flipped them the bird they've been bringing a lot of updates to the Linux side - which is great.
[02:22] <kidx> do you know the the ubuntu amd installer by fan club works
[02:22] <roasted> no idea
[02:22] <kidx> ill test it
[02:22] <roasted> I avoid AMD like the plague, to be entirely honest with you. :P
[02:23] <roasted> I haven't used AMD on Linux since... probably 2008
[02:23] <kidx> amd is not bad
[02:23] <roasted> AMD is not 'bad', but their lack of Linux support writes them off in my book.
[02:23] <kidx> its the linux xserver
[02:23] <roasted> Nvidia does a better job, so I support them by choice.
[02:23] <roasted> No - it's their drivers.
[02:23] <kidx> nope
[02:23] <roasted> I understand AMD only has 1 guy working on drivers, and his work has been somewhat questionable over the years.
[02:23] <kidx> the x server needs to be fixed
[02:24] <roasted> If you say so, man. ;)
[02:24] <kidx> thats why we get screen tear on all cards
[02:24] <roasted> There's no denying that the xserver needs an overhaul. That's where Wayland and Mir are coming from.
[02:24] <kidx> windows on the other hand dont have that
[02:24] <roasted> But it doesn't excuse why AMD has significantly worse driver quality than Nvidia as of right now, today.
[02:24] <roasted> But if it works for you, then that's great. That's all that matters.
[02:24] <kidx> but they copyrighted there patteren
[02:25] <kidx> what u mean driver quality
[02:25] <kidx> if you mean physicx
[02:25] <roasted> FGLRX is a royal headache.
[02:25] <kidx> lol
[02:25] <kidx> nvidia cant rollback
[02:25] <roasted> I've gotten kernel updates that broke FGLRX entirely, requiring me to resort to a terminal to fix the issue.
[02:25] <roasted> Meanwhile Nvidia rolls from one kernel to another without issue.
[02:26] <kidx> so they both have there issues
[02:26] <roasted> I have, literally, never had an issue with Nvidia GPUs
[02:26] <kidx> they are a headach in my eyes fans always going
[02:26] <kidx> the gpu chp is all that is good
[02:26] <roasted> They do. In some ways, it's like picking your poison. I'm just saying, if I have to pick a poison, I'd rather pick a teaspoon of arsenic than 10 gallons of it.
[02:27] <kidx> if you say so
[02:27] <roasted> In fact, some people were predicting 2013 would be the year AMD would have to sell out. That of course is kind of a stretch, but it made me laugh seeing that.
[02:27] <roasted> It doesn't affect me - I just buy different gear that I know works for my needs.
[02:27] <kidx> I rather coolr runnign better price range than what nvidia has to offer but to eeach their own man
[02:27] <roasted> If yours works, then great.
[02:28] <kidx> yup
[02:28] <roasted> But I will say this.
[02:28] <roasted> There's a reason Intel/Nvidia chips are in System76 (Ubuntu preinstalled laptop vendor) units and not AMD...
[02:28] <roasted> just my 2c. ;)
[02:28] <kidx> thats 1 lol only 1
[02:29] <roasted> Ha - okay, we're going no where.
[02:29] <roasted> If AMD works for you, use it.
[02:29] <kidx> i am using it
[02:29] <kidx> lol
[02:29] <roasted> But I avoid them for several reasons, and I don't see that changing unless AMD ups their Linux support substantially.
[02:29] <kidx> been great for years
[02:29] <kidx> how we suspose that
[02:29] <kidx> what we do
[02:30] <roasted> what do we do for.. what
[02:30] <kidx> i am not buying a expensive card unless my pc i get comes with it
[02:30] <roasted> I don't buy overly expensive cards for my systems.
[02:30] <roasted> I just buy what I need and move on with life. :P
[02:30] <kidx> i am a gamer all i wanna do is game with a budget price
[02:31] <roasted> Well, have at it.
[02:31] <roasted> I'd rather pay a few bucks more to know I'm getting good support than the reverse.
[02:31] <kidx> how much more 300
[02:31] <roasted> Hard to say without having a need on the table for a new system and a budget to spend on gear.
[02:32] <roasted> I haven't built a system that is gaming worthy for about 2 years, so I'd need to look around and read up.
[02:32] <kidx> i can double Intell for half teh price or less
[02:32] <kidx> 8 core cpu 209
[02:32] <roasted> That's fine.
[02:32] <kidx> price intel
[02:32] <kidx> i7
[02:32] <kidx> lol
[02:33] <roasted> But like I said, it doesn't matter if the most amazing AMD GPU is 10 bucks.
[02:33] <roasted> If it has crap support, it has crap support.
[02:33] <roasted> In Linux, people avoid AMD GPU's for a reason.
[02:33] <kidx> every one keeps saying this
[02:33] <roasted> I can't comment on AMD processors though. That's kind of a different beast since CPUs ar ea bit different.
[02:34] <roasted> CPUs don't need specific proprietary drivers to run as GPUs do
[02:34] <darkxst> my theory is that AMD don't really have the man power to maintain both a proprietry blob and the OSS drivre
[02:34] <kidx> you would think open source drivers would solve stuff
[02:34] <roasted> Open source drivers could solve stuff... but as long as AMD keeps code closed off, it's a difficult task to undertake.
[02:35] <kidx> i heard  they were gona open source it
[02:35] <kidx> but i guess thats a myth
[02:35] <roasted> I hope they do.
[02:35] <roasted> So far I haven't heard anything.
[02:35] <kidx> me neither
[02:35] <kidx> i just hear talks in the works
[02:36] <kidx> and stuff from other communitys
[02:36] <darkxst> they have a team working on radeon driver, however most of the code in fglrx will never be able to be open sourced
[02:36] <roasted> If they do, I'll be a number 1 supporter of AMD.
[02:36] <roasted> But I don't see them doing that.
[02:36] <roasted> darkxst: by choice, or by design?
[02:36] <darkxst> they have landed dynamic power management in 3.11
[02:36] <kidx> they once were the best cards to have
[02:36] <roasted> very nice
[02:37] <darkxst> by protecting IP i guess
[02:37] <roasted> darkxst: do you think 13.10 will be married to 3.10? Or do you think 13.10 has room to adopt newer kernels as the release date gets closer?
[02:37] <kidx> brb guys nice talking with you
[02:37] <darkxst> I don't think the kernel team has made the final call yet, so will depend on how things progress leading up to kernel freeze
[02:38] <roasted> is there a date set for that?
[02:38] <roasted> the kernel freeze?
[02:41] <darkxst> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelFreeze
[02:45] <roasted> good deal
[02:53] <tich_> Hey. I have been working on an essay and just noticed that my spell check isn't activated in libreoffice but it appears from the settings that it should be. any suggestions to get it working?
[02:55] <darkxst> tich_, you probably need to make sure you have dictionaries installed
[02:56] <darkxst> myspell-*
[02:56] <darkxst> and/or hunspell for some languages I think
[02:57] <tich_> darkxst, i am pretty sure i have myspell installed. i will check for hunspell
[02:58] <darkxst> tich_, check the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice
[02:59] <kidx> hello guys i am on 13.10 but hen i installed it the os said 13.04
[02:59] <kidx> is that right
[03:03] <tich_> darkxst, yeah. i didn't have the right one installed but it is fixed now thanks
[07:57] <darkxst> Look what happened to the blinds ! https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/115870/Saucy%20-%203.9%20%40%202013-07-17%2017%3A54%3A11.png
[09:08] <anonee> BrokenThumb hi, I'm trying to add a bookmark using the Bookmarks menu or by pressing Ctrl+D but to no avail... (nautilus 3.4.2 in GNOME 3.4 fallback mode) can you please help me? P.S. no need to type the spaces, I understand :D and get well.
[09:09] <anonee> maybe jbicha got the answer?
[09:49] <darkxst> anonee, that works fine here
[09:50] <anonee> darkxst adding a local folder right?
[09:50] <darkxst> yeh
[09:50] <anonee> not working for me :(
[09:51] <darkxst> what version of nautilus?
[09:51] <anonee> nautilus 3.4.2 in GNOME 3.4 fallback mode
[09:51] <anonee> on*
[09:52] <darkxst> oh, I don't even have a VM with 3.4 anymore!
[09:53] <anonee> because 3.4 was the last version that offers GNOME Classic as far as I know
[09:54] <darkxst> 3.8 has classic mode, but still requires openGL for best performance
[09:55] <anonee> i have openGL
[09:55] <anonee> it's a physical machine
[09:55] <anonee> I'm afraid you
[09:56] <anonee> I'm afraid u make me upgrade now lol
[09:56] <anonee> how to?
[09:56] <anonee> do I have to purge 3.4 first?
[09:57] <anonee> btw I'm using compiz and emerald.
[09:57] <anonee> and conky
[09:57] <darkxst> you would lose compiz
[09:57] <darkxst> but conky should still work
[09:58] <anonee> you mean it won't work on 3.8?
[09:58] <darkxst> (its basically gnome-shell with a bunch of extensions to make it more like the old layout)
[09:58] <darkxst> yeh compiz won't work on 3.8
[09:58] <anonee> then no thank you, the jelly windows make me feel better lol
[09:59] <anonee> compiz is essential, it brings some fun to the serious times
[09:59] <anonee> darkxst I can live without the bookmarks!
[10:00] <anonee> but u know what I'm gonna run in terminal and see!
[10:00] <anonee> how did i forget that
[10:01] <darkxst> you might have troubling running gnome-shell in a terminal ;)
[10:02] <anonee> wait a min I should select the folder, and then Ctrl+D or click Add bookmark. right?
[10:03] <darkxst> on 3.8 you enter the folder and then ctrl+D to bookmark it
[10:03] <darkxst> I really don't remember how it worked in 3.4
[10:03] <anonee> I just felt stupid, but thank you, it's working :P
[10:03] <anonee> :D
[10:04] <anonee> and I was thinking there should be something wrong
[10:04] <anonee> :D
[13:13] <kidx> Hello did any one notice when installing 13.10 it says 13.04 or no?
[14:01] <ashish_> i m using ubuntu12.04. can i use gnome 3.8 on it. currently my gnome is 3.4. i tried but not able to install after adding ppa
[14:08] <ashish_> anybody will ans?
[14:28] <jbicha> gnome flashback with compiz still works in 13.10 but there are issues like bug 971051 and bug 1196177
[14:29] <ubot5> bug 971051 in compiz (Ubuntu Precise) "No Alt+Tab in gnome classic session (switcher plugin not loaded)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/971051
[14:29] <ubot5> bug 1196177 in ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) "Gnome-Panel White Square (Gnome-Fallback-Session/Flashback)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196177
[14:29] <jbicha> there effectively aren't developers working on flashback which is bad when gnome evolves so much from release to release
[14:31] <jbicha> there's also some bugs where apps assume that it is "GNOME" even though underneath it's probably more like Unity