[00:00] <skellat> Whose Line Is It Anyway is starting up on The CW with Aisha Tyler hosting...
[00:16] <MarkDude> Yay for being dumb- Deb channels were OFTC- yay people in channel :D
[00:40] <Unit193> Sorry, you didn't know Debian was an OFTC kid?
[00:42] <paultag> 19:39  * MarkDude is saving a shirt we make for Paul, Im sure he will wear it.
[00:42] <paultag> MarkDude: I would wear it :D
[00:52]  * MarkDude did know this but apprently forgot
[00:53] <MarkDude> The channel being invite only thru me off.
[00:54] <MarkDude> Then again, Im already on Mozilla, Freenode, and Undernet- its been a while since I have done oftc- I added one more network. Next I redo this all with ZNC server
[00:56] <Unit193> Do what I do, have several Irssi running on different servers. :P
[00:57] <Unit193> I have Coldfront and Freenode networks in this one, OFTC and conformal in another, Freenode and Mozilla in another. :P
[00:58] <paultag> irssi can connect to a few networks
[00:58] <paultag> mine does :>
[00:59] <MarkDude> Yes I have been meaning to set up irssi for 2+ years
[00:59] <Unit193> Mine does too, I just like to spread them out. :D
[00:59] <MarkDude> I have half of ZNC set up already
[01:00] <MarkDude> !channelnames
[01:00] <MarkDude> :D
[02:24] <Unit193> srandby: Hello!
[02:24] <srandby> Unit193: Hello.
[02:24] <srandby> I plan to be at the meeting on Thursday.
[02:25] <Unit193> Great!  Going to OLF?
[02:25] <srandby> Yes.
[02:27] <srandby> How does one enter this room from a non-browser client?
[02:28] <Unit193> What client?  Just open it up, connect to Freenode, and /join #ubuntu-us-oh
[02:28] <srandby> Every time I try, I get that the room is by invitation only. Using Pidgin.
[02:29] <Unit193> #ubuntu-us-oh, or #ubuntu-us-ohio?
[02:29] <srandby> I'll check.
[02:30] <Unit193> There isn't anything that'd block it from joining here, but -ohio isn't used.
[02:31] <srandby> I had #ubuntu-us-ohio for some unknown reason.
[02:32] <srandby> I'm going to leave the room, change my Pidgin settings, and reconnect.
[02:32] <Unit193> OK.
[02:34] <srandby> Hello again.
[02:35] <Unit193> Howdy, you made it!
[02:35] <skellat> Hello Scott Randby
[02:35] <srandby> skellat: Hello
[02:37] <srandby> I looked at the agenda for Thursday. What UbuCon is the agenda referring to? OLF?
[02:37] <skellat> srandby: Yep
[02:37] <skellat> We have space
[02:37] <srandby> Cool
[02:37] <skellat> I wrangled a commitment out of Moose
[02:37] <skellat> I need to get commitments from presenters
[02:38] <skellat> Or at least leads for presenters
[02:38] <srandby> What sort of presentations?
[02:38] <skellat> That's pretty open
[02:38] <skellat> And discussed at the last meeting
[02:38] <skellat> Lemme dig that up
[02:39] <skellat> Crap
[02:39] <skellat> Not in the last meeting notes
[02:40] <srandby> I looked at those awhile ago but didn't see it mentioned. However, I'm willing to submit an idea or two on Thursday.
[02:40] <skellat> Ah, the list of initial ideas is here: http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/node/155
[02:40] <jenni> [ Burning Circle Episode 121 | Ubuntu Ohio ] - https://j.mp/15EqB6P
[02:40] <skellat> There's a transcript to that where I have a bulleted list
[02:41] <skellat> GamingServer usage -- Flavor Highlights -- Highlights about finishing up Saucy Salamander for release -- Thoughts looking forward to the next Long Term Support release -- Reflections on the changes wrought by the virtual Ubuntu Developer Summit paradigm -- Ways we need to work within the cultures found in Ohio to expand Ubuntu deployment
[02:42] <Unit193> srandby: You use Mainbuntu, right?
[02:42] <srandby> Unit193: I use Xubuntu.
[02:42] <Unit193> \o/
[02:42] <skellat> \o/
[02:43] <srandby> Okay, I'm pretty new to IRC. What does \o/ mean?
[02:43] <skellat> My hands are raised and if this were in person I'd be jumping up and down cheering
[02:44] <Unit193> \ is an arm, o is the head, and / is another arm, so it's a happy person.
[02:44] <srandby> Okay. I've been using Xubuntu for 2 or 3 years.
[02:45] <srandby> Unity drove me crazy.
[02:46] <skellat> I lack hardware that Unity supports
[02:46] <srandby> LOL
[02:46] <Unit193> That, and I never really used it, I was never a fan of Gnome.
[02:47] <Unit193> (I did have 6.10 or .04 installed, but that was the last one.)
[02:47] <srandby> The only thing that took me awhile to get used to was the lack of tabs in Xfce.
[02:48] <Unit193> Tabs in Xfce?
[02:48] <Unit193> Thunar?  It has it now, and I use thunar and pcmanfm.
[02:48] <srandby> Sorry, Thunar.
[02:49] <skellat> thunar & pcmanfm have both grown quite a bit over the past few releases
[02:49] <srandby> I'm still using Xubuntu 12.04.
[02:50] <srandby> I haven't had time to update.
[02:50] <srandby> I need full disk encryption.
[02:50] <skellat> Nothing wrong with that.  There is a documentation backport project underway to get some great offline documentation into 12.04.
[02:50] <Unit193> Ah, I stick to current, while it may not be a good idea with my hardware, I can't stand stale applications.
[02:51] <skellat> I don't get into dealing with the sharp, pointy end of the development spearhead until we get closer to testing time
[02:52]  * skellat is using Xubuntu 13.04 at the moment
[02:54] <srandby> I'd like to update to 13.04.
[02:55] <Unit193> You'd have to go with 12.10, then 13.04.
[02:55] <skellat> Yeah
[02:55] <skellat> The Kubuntu folks talk about a single dist-upgrade jump method but Xubuntu doesn't support that
[02:56] <Unit193> (Officially)
[02:56] <Unit193> My system isn't really on the "supported" side of things anymore.
[02:56] <srandby> I'd rather do a fresh install.
[02:57] <Unit193> Ah, cool.  Makes sense, depending on the person.
[02:57] <srandby> But I have to study how full disk encryption works now.
[02:57] <srandby> Unit193: Old hardware isn't supported?
[02:58] <skellat> There was a colloquy about that in #xubuntu-devel earlier today
[02:58] <Unit193> srandby: Heh, sure as heck doesn't seem like it, but I'm talking about held packages from precise/quantal, kernel from a non-Ubuntu source, and extra repos (own and all.)
[02:59] <Unit193> That is, own repos and a couple others.  (PPA and real repo.)
[03:00] <srandby> I'm not sure I understand, but I'm not a programmer or system admin. I'm just a user.
[03:02] <Unit193> Hrm, I'm sometimes not good at being clear too.
[03:02] <srandby> skellat: Colloquy about full disk encryption?
[03:02] <skellat> Nope.  Old hardware.
[03:02] <skellat> It seems like Mir/XMir is a push by Mainbuntu to make a lot of things obsolete.
[03:03] <Unit193> (Really shouldn't get into a Mir argument here, though. :P )
[03:03] <srandby> It all has to fit on a smartphone.
[03:04] <skellat> Yep
[03:04] <Unit193> Pretty sure wayland does, or is intended on doing that.
[03:04] <srandby> And no Emacs (or vi)
[03:04] <skellat> But in many cases hardware is being made obsolete.  I just had to move my BeagleBoard-xM to upstream Debian since desktop armhf support is being spun down.
[03:06] <srandby> This makes me wonder about the fate of Xubuntu.
[03:06] <skellat> Xubuntu is strong
[03:06] <Unit193> Well, Xubuntu isn't geared towards "old" hardware, but Xfce isn't planning on Mir right now, no.
[03:07] <srandby> Good. It is hard for semi-technical people like me to change.
[03:07] <Unit193> Same here.
[03:08] <Unit193> My backup plan involves Debian, though.
[03:08] <srandby> I've thought about Debian too.
[03:08] <Unit193> (Not sure pure Debian, or a handy setup like Siduction.)
[03:10] <Unit193> You could see if XMir works on your system, of if it falls back to Xorg right now too if you'd like. :P
[03:11] <srandby> I have a Lenovo ThinkPad X230. What do you think?
[03:12] <srandby> Just added Siduction to my distro list.
[03:12] <Unit193> Generally speaking, if it's intel graphics it has a shot in the dark.
[03:12] <Unit193> AntiX is a nice lightweight one too.
[03:13] <skellat> If you have a spare USB key, Unit193 has an ISO you can write to it to take a shot with
[03:13] <Unit193> skellat: Or, if you know how to install software, you can use grml-rescueboot.
[03:14] <srandby> I don't have time to experiment right now.
[03:14] <skellat> It's okay
[03:15] <Unit193> Oh, sure.
[04:55] <skellat> ARGH: http://starbeacon.com/local/x316296897/Motorized-wheelchairs-on-streets-draw-council-s-eye
[04:55] <jenni> [ Motorized wheelchairs on streets draw council’s eye » Local News » The Star Beacon; Ashtabula, Ohio ] - https://j.mp/15kHRy5
[11:30] <Visigoth> Good morning.
[14:43] <thafreak> Morning
[16:41] <dzho> thafreak: not any more, but I acknowledge and appreciate the sentiment