| micahg | skellat: do we really want apt-offline in the desktop seed? | 04:00 |
|---|---|---|
| micahg | now I remember why I didn't merge it before | 04:00 |
| Unit193 | It doesn't have you tagged, but just so you know as well in case you missed the mail: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-default-settings/xubuntu-default-settings/+merge/174852 | 04:01 |
| micahg | Unit193: do we now have a xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu application? | 04:10 |
| Unit193 | micahg: Of course, it's xfce4-panel. | 04:11 |
| micahg | Unit193: xfce4-panel installs that? | 04:13 |
| Unit193 | micahg: Yes sir, xfce4-panel: /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu | 04:13 |
| Unit193 | (And this isn't some package I mangled.) | 04:14 |
| micahg | heh, ok, I've never seen it before (then again, I'm still running quantal on my bleeding edge machine) | 04:15 |
| Unit193 | Heh, nice. I've already set it on the computers here, mainly because it's faster for me. | 04:16 |
| skellat | micahg: Yes, yes we do want apt-offline in the desktop seed | 04:17 |
| micahg | skellat: ok, I'm thinking to make it a recommends then | 04:17 |
| micahg | I don't think it's critical to the desktop | 04:17 |
| Unit193 | It was in "Depends"? 0_o | 04:17 |
| skellat | Prevents a chicken-and-the-egg problem if somebody gets a disc, installs a system, and then finds it is disconnected | 04:17 |
| skellat | Prior discs didn't give you a good way to handle bandwidth-constrained cases including updating the view of the repositories. | 04:18 |
| micahg | skellat: recommends ok? | 04:20 |
| skellat | As long as it gets on the shipping disc, I'm cool with it | 04:20 |
| micahg | skellat: you know, we can install it on the disc without having it on the desktop seed? | 04:20 |
| micahg | desktop seed == xubuntu-desktop metapackage | 04:21 |
| skellat | Okay | 04:21 |
| micahg | ship == on CD and can be installed w/out making everyone have it | 04:22 |
| micahg | oops, no, that's live I think | 04:22 |
| skellat | We ship documentation for it now for everybody | 04:22 |
| micahg | ok, I'll add it as a recommends then | 04:23 |
| skellat | :-) | 04:23 |
| micahg | the catch with recommends is that it won't be installed on upgrades from one release to the next | 04:24 |
| skellat | We'll burn that bridge when we get to it | 04:24 |
| micahg | but I don't think that's a problem as the main use case is new installs, right? | 04:24 |
| skellat | Bingo. New installs is the biggest worry at this point. | 04:24 |
| skellat | If somebody is bandwidth constrained, they're not going to upgrade except via dist-upgrade which apt-offline would handle anyhow. | 04:25 |
| skellat | As to notation, I should have wrapped it in parenthesis to make it a Recommends then? | 04:25 |
| micahg | yes | 04:25 |
| skellat | Okay | 04:25 |
| skellat | Do you want me to update my branch real quick to do that? | 04:25 |
| micahg | skellat: sure, can you get rid of the long comment as well? | 04:26 |
| skellat | Yes | 04:26 |
| skellat | I'm sitting at my BeagleBoard-xM which is on Debian now so this might take a moment or two | 04:26 |
| micahg | ok | 04:27 |
| Unit193 | I think it'd make sense to just have it in ship and live, but that's me. | 04:28 |
| skellat | Pushed rev 939 back up to LP | 04:29 |
| micahg | Unit193: oops, you forgot to add the new .in file :) | 04:30 |
| skellat | I see pastebinit is a Recommends too | 04:30 |
| micahg | the main difference with recommends is that it's removable | 04:30 |
| skellat | Yep | 04:31 |
| Unit193 | It's supposed to be jockey.desktop.in, I didn't rename it. >_< | 04:31 |
| Unit193 | Thanks. | 04:31 |
| micahg | Unit193: you familiar with bzr mv? | 04:31 |
| Unit193 | micahg: I'd assume it works the same as with git. | 04:31 |
| micahg | yep | 04:32 |
| micahg | just not everyone uses it :) | 04:32 |
| Unit193 | Thanks for the reminder, I'm not great with VCS. | 04:33 |
| skellat | I've been learning bzr the hard way...through usage... | 04:33 |
| skellat | micahg: LP is showing the diff on the merge proposal now | 04:33 |
| micahg | skellat: can you run bzr rebase :parent on your branch> | 04:34 |
| skellat | Crap | 04:34 |
| skellat | Hold on | 04:34 |
| micahg | I'll be back in a few minutes | 04:35 |
| Unit193 | Hopefully I un-failed myself... | 04:35 |
| micahg | skellat: actually, I can just merge it in as is (I was going to do a pull, but am thinking otherwise now) | 04:37 |
| skellat | I just found that bzr rebase is missing from the version of bzr in Debian Testing at the moment | 04:38 |
| skellat | Had to find my netbook and boot it up | 04:38 |
| micahg | hrm, weird | 04:38 |
| micahg | it's called bzr-rewrite now | 04:38 |
| micahg | skellat: it's fine, I can do a merge, pull is good when the commits are all good, I think merge is better in this case | 04:39 |
| skellat | Just ran it on my Xubuntu netbook and it said no revisions to rebase | 04:40 |
| micahg | skellat: oh, well, :parent would only be set correctly if it was the original checkout, otherwise, you'd probably need to reference the to merge into branch by name | 04:41 |
| micahg | skellat: it's ok, I'm doing a merge | 04:41 |
| skellat | Cool | 04:41 |
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| * micahg has gotten used to git as of later | 04:43 | |
| micahg | *late | 04:43 |
| * micahg will give that a couple minutes and then update the seeds | 04:43 | |
| micahg | Unit193: also, no changelog entry... | 04:45 |
| Unit193 | Yes, that I didn't add in, it's whatever anyone else wanted. | 04:46 |
| micahg | Unit193: dch -i -DUNRELEASED and add an appropriate description (usually better to update this as you add stuff for future reference) | 04:47 |
| Unit193 | Pushed up to revision 439. | 05:09 |
| Unit193 | (Version is in oddly, but it's marked as unreleased anyway.) | 05:15 |
| micahg | hrm, I'll fix | 05:15 |
| Unit193 | (I don't normally use dch too much) | 05:16 |
| micahg | yeah, I guess -i does do that.. | 05:16 |
| Unit193 | Picks up name and email from env too. :/ | 05:18 |
| Unit193 | (Tried fixing it in .devscripts, didn't work.) | 05:19 |
| micahg | was that name wrong? | 05:19 |
| Unit193 | It was until I fixed it, pushed one is right. | 05:20 |
| micahg | ok | 05:20 |
| micahg | Unit193: I'm creating a team for gtk-theme-config and adding you to it and pushing up what I have | 05:21 |
| Unit193 | OK. | 05:22 |
| micahg | and here we are: https://code.launchpad.net/~gtk-theme-config-maintainers/gtk-theme-config/debian | 05:31 |
| Unit193 | Might not look at it tonight (01:31), and in a way I kind of hope I don't get to it tomorrow. :P | 05:32 |
| micahg | Unit193: heh, ok, BTW, I can't upload settings yet as it needs some lintian fixes, can pastebin if you lik | 05:32 |
| Unit193 | Sure, or I could try it, but would have to pbuild it as I don't have translation things setup. | 05:33 |
| micahg | Unit193: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5883129/ | 05:35 |
| Unit193 | Weird, I didn't get that... | 05:55 |
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| Unit193 | micahg: http://paste.openstack.org/show/40641/ that's all I got. | 06:00 |
| micahg | Unit193: right, you need to run lintian on the binaries produced by the test build :) | 06:01 |
| Unit193 | Ala lintian -I --pedantic ../xubuntu-default-settings_13.10.2ubuntu1*deb ? | 06:02 |
| Unit193 | (Normally run it on the binary/source changes files of course, which is the paste. | 06:03 |
| Unit193 | ) | 06:03 |
| micahg | something like that | 06:04 |
| Unit193 | Yep, that's all I got. | 06:04 |
| micahg | I use lintian -iIEv --pedantic | 06:08 |
| micahg | ah, that check was removed... | 06:09 |
| micahg | in lintian 2.5.11 | 06:09 |
| Unit193 | Going to say that your output was E, not X, so -E wouldn't have done it. | 06:10 |
| micahg | I'm on precise ATM | 06:10 |
| Unit193 | (Maybe I should start using -E too?_ | 06:10 |
| micahg | hrm, I'd say we still need that check as lucid doesn't have a high enough dpkg, /me sends mail to -devel | 06:11 |
| Unit193 | Heh, fun indeed. If you mean ubuntu-devel, I'll read it tomorrow. :) | 06:13 |
| micahg | yeah | 06:15 |
| Noskcaj | micahg, Can you have a look at the latest xfce-indicator-plugin from debian? i couldn't work out the conflict | 06:16 |
| micahg | Noskcaj: yeah, on my list, but not tonight | 06:16 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 06:16 |
| micahg | the patch probably needs to be reworked for the new upstream version | 06:16 |
| Noskcaj | It does, that's part of why i ran away from it | 06:20 |
| micahg | bluesabre: you're working on catfish, right? | 06:52 |
| micahg | bluesabre: Bug #1202085 | 06:57 |
| ubottu | bug 1202085 in Catfish "Create policy file to remove dependency on gksu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202085 | 06:57 |
| Noskcaj | Why do we still keep the old patch files is xfce4-datetime-plugin? | 07:39 |
| Noskcaj | Unless i've missed something, the datetime plugin no longer needs the patches it has | 08:16 |
| bluesabre | micahg, I've recently learned an even better way to remove the dependency, I'll introduce it soon. | 09:51 |
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| pleia2 | knome knome knome | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | http://xubuntu.org/?p=1753&preview=true | 19:42 |
| knome | pleia2 pleia2 pleia2 | 20:13 |
| knome | aha, wow | 20:14 |
| knome | that'll take some time | 20:14 |
| pleia2 | :) | 20:18 |
| pleia2 | oh, pictures! | 20:18 |
| knome | pleia2, are the quotes after the first subheader intentional, and if yes, why them abut not the next paragraphs | 20:19 |
| * pleia2 looks | 20:20 | |
| knome | i'd also tweak the links | 20:20 |
| pleia2 | ah, I think that was him quoting the mission statement of the org | 20:20 |
| knome | ah, right | 20:20 |
| knome | that's a bit weird | 20:20 |
| * pleia2 clarifies that | 20:21 | |
| knome | thanks | 20:21 |
| knome | Ubtunu | 20:22 |
| knome | milwaukee (case) | 20:22 |
| knome | opensource (no space) | 20:23 |
| pleia2 | that's how we spell it now | 20:23 |
| knome | really? | 20:23 |
| pleia2 | no :) | 20:23 |
| knome | haha | 20:23 |
| knome | . | 20:23 |
| knome | so the links | 20:24 |
| knome | they are just URLs now | 20:24 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 20:24 |
| knome | i'd rather change to "Read more about Project: Community Computers" (first link) etc. | 20:25 |
| knome | and i'm thinking we might want to move the "if your organization..." to the top | 20:26 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I was split on that | 20:26 |
| pleia2 | I think I had it all at the bottom before | 20:26 |
| knome | the bottom part is boo because it's not separated any way from the content | 20:26 |
| knome | (yeah, i should get some theme improvements in so we could handle these things better) | 20:27 |
| knome | other than those mentions it looks good to go | 20:28 |
| pleia2 | knome: ok, refresh | 20:30 |
| pleia2 | it has pictures now too! | 20:30 |
| knome | woo | 20:31 |
| knome | we could align those | 20:31 |
| * pleia2 fixes up last link | 20:31 | |
| pleia2 | I tried to do center in wordpress magic, but it no likey | 20:31 |
| knome | hmm. okay. i'll see | 20:31 |
| knome | might be again something in the theme | 20:31 |
| knome | looks like i really should get the stuff done ASAP | 20:31 |
| pleia2 | I'm going to close editing, you can edit if you want | 20:31 |
| pleia2 | planning on publishing Friday morning (alreayd had sticker news today) | 20:31 |
| knome | i'll look at the pics, then publish | 20:31 |
| knome | oh, ok | 20:32 |
| knome | i'll look at the pics then ;) | 20:32 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) | 20:32 |
| knome | hmph, right | 20:32 |
| knome | yeah, we need a theme update | 20:32 |
| knome | and i should send those question to tero at the local uni | 20:32 |
| pleia2 | ah, title should be "Xubuntu at Project: Community Computers in Milwaukee" | 20:32 |
| pleia2 | since that's their formal name | 20:33 |
| pleia2 | yes, you should! | 20:33 |
| knome | boo | 20:33 |
| knome | ;) | 20:33 |
| knome | i don't have an edit lock | 20:33 |
| knome | how long are you going to be around today? | 20:35 |
| knome | brb | 20:37 |
| pleia2 | I'm working but I should be around all evneing | 20:38 |
| * pleia2 laundry | 20:39 | |
| Unit193 | Oh yeah, I need to do that too. :? | 20:39 |
| knome | ok, good | 20:48 |
| knome | i'll do some improvements soon then and let you see them | 20:49 |
| knome | and i hope we can get to send IS a mail about them before i'm off to the summer cottage again on friday :) | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | :) | 20:52 |
| knome | jjfrv8, hello :) | 20:58 |
| jjfrv8 | Hi, knome | 20:58 |
| pleia2 | doc hero, jjfrv8! | 21:01 |
| jjfrv8 | Don't know about that :) | 21:01 |
| pleia2 | :) | 21:02 |
| jjfrv8 | I think it's doable to finish the P docs before 8/1. Does it look that way from your end, knome ? | 21:03 |
| knome | jjfrv8, at this speed, definitely | 21:03 |
| jjfrv8 | Ok. I've got chs 5, 7 & 8 ready whenever, I don't think 9 needs any work (if you and skellat still want to include it). 10 and the rest look easy | 21:04 |
| jjfrv8 | I'm going to work on networking (ch 4) this weekend when I get a machine with wireless | 21:05 |
| jjfrv8 | * I meant chapter 6 for networking | 21:15 |
| knome | :) | 21:15 |
| knome | ok, some improvements in http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/ | 21:50 |
| Noskcaj | Translating the xubuntu docs is officially the most tedious thing that can be done | 21:52 |
| knome | Noskcaj, stop doing that. the australian translation is probably the most useless :P | 21:52 |
| Noskcaj | We matter... | 21:53 |
| knome | Noskcaj, i mean, if you think that it's tedious, then stop | 21:53 |
| Noskcaj | I did | 21:53 |
| knome | your effort is more valuable elsewhere. | 21:53 |
| knome | pleia2, ding ding ding! | 22:41 |
| pleia2 | hello knome! | 22:42 |
| knome | look at the link i posted | 22:42 |
| pleia2 | oh I didn't look at the thing | 22:42 |
| knome | the footer is off and not "everything" is there, but does the top part look better now? | 22:42 |
| pleia2 | yeah that looks fine | 22:43 |
| knome | good | 22:43 |
| knome | i also fixed some of the editor styles | 22:43 |
| knome | so you should have a semi-WYSIWYG view | 22:43 |
| knome | but there's still a lot to do | 22:43 |
| pleia2 | okie | 22:43 |
| knome | i want to change the navigation | 22:44 |
| knome | http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/saucy_website/newnavi.png | 22:44 |
| knome | that's one proposal, but i'm not 100% happy with it | 22:44 |
| pleia2 | I like it | 22:44 |
| knome | what do you think of the activities/blog part in that though? | 22:44 |
| pleia2 | I am sometimes blind to menus on the top of the screen, so I lke repeating them later | 22:45 |
| knome | like in the bottom of the page? | 22:45 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 22:45 |
| knome | that might work | 22:45 |
| pleia2 | or even the Get Started links currently under the screenshot in our site now | 22:46 |
| knome | umh, yeah | 22:46 |
| knome | i want to get rid of the graphical navigation though if at all possible | 22:46 |
| knome | or change the way we're doing it | 22:46 |
| knome | it's a pain to maintain | 22:46 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 22:47 |
| pleia2 | I don't care if it's graphical, just enjoy that they exist where my eyeballs go | 22:47 |
| knome | heh | 22:47 |
| knome | i hope they stay where they are | 22:47 |
| knome | for your comfort ;) | 22:47 |
| pleia2 | much appreciated ;) | 22:47 |
| knome | so, what about the activities bar? | 22:48 |
| knome | if that looks good, i could throw that in | 22:48 |
| pleia2 | bar? | 22:48 |
| knome | it does waste some vertical space.. | 22:48 |
| knome | the whiter bg | 22:48 |
| pleia2 | oh, look at that | 22:48 |
| pleia2 | it's too bright in this room for me to have noticed | 22:48 |
| knome | heh | 22:48 |
| pleia2 | and with that, I think it's too subtle | 22:49 |
| knome | heh, ok | 22:49 |
| knome | otoh, if you don't see it... then you don't | 22:50 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 22:50 |
| knome | i'd have to look at it with my laptop screen | 22:50 |
| knome | but it does give some structure for the frontpage | 22:50 |
| knome | pleia2, ping | 23:50 |
| pleia2 | hey | 23:50 |
| knome | http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/saucy_website/editor.png | 23:50 |
| knome | you comfortable with those options? | 23:50 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I don't really like wysiwyg editors anyway | 23:50 |
| knome | yeah, me neither | 23:50 |
| knome | the styles menu is also useful | 23:51 |
| knome | has blockquote, code (block and inline), style that we can use to mark parts that need review and preformatted text | 23:52 |
| knome | and we can add anything we want | 23:52 |
| knome | eg. tell WP to have an item named "Elizabeth" and with that, create a p.pink element :P | 23:52 |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 23:53 |
| knome | and yeah, <h1> is disabled from "format" | 23:54 |
| pleia2 | ah | 23:54 |
| knome | so you don't need to remind yourself what the "highest" header was you should use | 23:54 |
| knome | (you can still a <h1> element with the text mode) | 23:55 |
| knome | +add | 23:55 |
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