[04:00] <micahg> skellat: do we really want apt-offline in the desktop seed?
[04:00] <micahg> now I remember why I didn't merge it before
[04:01] <Unit193> It doesn't have you tagged, but just so you know as well in case you missed the mail: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-default-settings/xubuntu-default-settings/+merge/174852
[04:10] <micahg> Unit193: do we now have a xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu application?
[04:11] <Unit193> micahg: Of course, it's xfce4-panel.
[04:13] <micahg> Unit193: xfce4-panel installs that?
[04:13] <Unit193> micahg: Yes sir, xfce4-panel: /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu
[04:14] <Unit193> (And this isn't some package I mangled.)
[04:15] <micahg> heh, ok, I've never seen it before (then again, I'm still running quantal on my bleeding edge machine)
[04:16] <Unit193> Heh, nice.  I've already set it on the computers here, mainly because it's faster for me.
[04:17] <skellat> micahg: Yes, yes we do want apt-offline in the desktop seed
[04:17] <micahg> skellat: ok, I'm thinking to make it a recommends then
[04:17] <micahg> I don't think it's critical to the desktop
[04:17] <Unit193> It was in "Depends"? 0_o
[04:17] <skellat> Prevents a chicken-and-the-egg problem if somebody gets a disc, installs a system, and then finds it is disconnected
[04:18] <skellat> Prior discs didn't give you a good way to handle bandwidth-constrained cases including updating the view of the repositories.
[04:20] <micahg> skellat: recommends ok?
[04:20] <skellat> As long as it gets on the shipping disc, I'm cool with it
[04:20] <micahg> skellat: you know, we can install it on the disc without having it on the desktop seed?
[04:21] <micahg> desktop seed == xubuntu-desktop metapackage
[04:21] <skellat> Okay
[04:22] <micahg> ship == on CD and can be installed w/out making everyone have it
[04:22] <micahg> oops, no, that's live I think
[04:22] <skellat> We ship documentation for it now for everybody
[04:23] <micahg> ok, I'll add it as a recommends then
[04:23] <skellat> :-)
[04:24] <micahg> the catch with recommends is that it won't be installed on upgrades from one release to the next
[04:24] <skellat> We'll burn that bridge when we get to it
[04:24] <micahg> but I don't think that's a problem as the main use case is new installs, right?
[04:24] <skellat> Bingo.  New installs is the biggest worry at this point.
[04:25] <skellat> If somebody is bandwidth constrained, they're not going to upgrade except via dist-upgrade which apt-offline would handle anyhow.
[04:25] <skellat> As to notation, I should have wrapped it in parenthesis to make it a Recommends then?
[04:25] <micahg> yes
[04:25] <skellat> Okay
[04:25] <skellat> Do you want me to update my branch real quick to do that?
[04:26] <micahg> skellat: sure, can you get rid of the long comment as well?
[04:26] <skellat> Yes
[04:26] <skellat> I'm sitting at my BeagleBoard-xM which is on Debian now so this might take a moment or two
[04:27] <micahg> ok
[04:28] <Unit193> I think it'd make sense to just have it in ship and live, but that's me.
[04:29] <skellat> Pushed rev 939 back up to LP
[04:30] <micahg> Unit193: oops, you forgot to add the new .in file :)
[04:30] <skellat> I see pastebinit is a Recommends too
[04:30] <micahg> the main difference with recommends is that it's removable
[04:31] <skellat> Yep
[04:31] <Unit193> It's supposed to be jockey.desktop.in, I didn't rename it. >_<
[04:31] <Unit193> Thanks.
[04:31] <micahg> Unit193: you familiar with bzr mv?
[04:31] <Unit193> micahg: I'd assume it works the same as with git.
[04:32] <micahg> yep
[04:32] <micahg> just not everyone uses it :)
[04:33] <Unit193> Thanks for the reminder, I'm not great with VCS.
[04:33] <skellat> I've been learning bzr the hard way...through usage...
[04:33] <skellat> micahg: LP is showing the diff on the merge proposal now
[04:34] <micahg> skellat: can you run bzr rebase :parent on your branch>
[04:34] <skellat> Crap
[04:34] <skellat> Hold on
[04:35] <micahg> I'll be back in a few minutes
[04:35] <Unit193> Hopefully I un-failed myself...
[04:37] <micahg> skellat: actually, I can just merge it in as is (I was going to do a pull, but am thinking otherwise now)
[04:38] <skellat> I just found that bzr rebase is missing from the version of bzr in Debian Testing at the moment
[04:38] <skellat> Had to find my netbook and boot it up
[04:38] <micahg> hrm, weird
[04:38] <micahg> it's called bzr-rewrite now
[04:39] <micahg> skellat: it's fine, I can do a merge, pull is good when the commits are all good, I think merge is better in this case
[04:40] <skellat> Just ran it on my Xubuntu netbook and it said no revisions to rebase
[04:41] <micahg> skellat: oh, well, :parent would only be set correctly if it was the original checkout, otherwise, you'd probably need to reference the to merge into branch by name
[04:41] <micahg> skellat: it's ok, I'm doing a merge
[04:41] <skellat> Cool
[04:43]  * micahg has gotten used to git as of later
[04:43] <micahg> *late
[04:43]  * micahg will give that a couple minutes and then update the seeds
[04:45] <micahg> Unit193: also, no changelog entry...
[04:46] <Unit193> Yes, that I didn't add in, it's whatever anyone else wanted.
[04:47] <micahg> Unit193: dch -i -DUNRELEASED and add an appropriate description (usually better to update this as you add stuff for future reference)
[05:09] <Unit193> Pushed up to revision 439.                                                                                                                                  
[05:15] <Unit193> (Version is in oddly, but it's marked as unreleased anyway.)
[05:15] <micahg> hrm, I'll fix
[05:16] <Unit193> (I don't normally use dch too much)
[05:16] <micahg> yeah, I guess -i does do that..
[05:18] <Unit193> Picks up name and email from env too. :/
[05:19] <Unit193> (Tried fixing it in .devscripts, didn't work.)
[05:19] <micahg> was that name wrong?
[05:20] <Unit193> It was until I fixed it, pushed one is right.
[05:20] <micahg> ok
[05:21] <micahg> Unit193: I'm creating a team for gtk-theme-config and adding you to it and pushing up what I have
[05:22] <Unit193> OK.
[05:31] <micahg> and here we are: https://code.launchpad.net/~gtk-theme-config-maintainers/gtk-theme-config/debian
[05:32] <Unit193> Might not look at it tonight (01:31), and in a way I kind of hope I don't get to it tomorrow. :P
[05:32] <micahg> Unit193: heh, ok, BTW, I can't upload settings yet as it needs some lintian fixes, can pastebin if you lik
[05:33] <Unit193> Sure, or I could try it, but would have to pbuild it as I don't have translation things setup.
[05:35] <micahg> Unit193: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5883129/
[05:55] <Unit193> Weird, I didn't get that...
[06:00] <Unit193> micahg: http://paste.openstack.org/show/40641/ that's all I got.
[06:01] <micahg> Unit193: right, you need to run lintian on the binaries produced by the test build :)
[06:02] <Unit193> Ala lintian -I --pedantic ../xubuntu-default-settings_13.10.2ubuntu1*deb ?
[06:03] <Unit193> (Normally run it on the binary/source changes files of course, which is the paste.
[06:03] <Unit193> )
[06:04] <micahg> something like that
[06:04] <Unit193> Yep, that's all I got.
[06:08] <micahg> I use lintian -iIEv --pedantic
[06:09] <micahg> ah, that check was removed...
[06:09] <micahg> in lintian 2.5.11
[06:10] <Unit193> Going to say that your output was E, not X, so -E wouldn't have done it.
[06:10] <micahg> I'm on precise ATM
[06:10] <Unit193> (Maybe I should start using -E too?_
[06:11] <micahg> hrm, I'd say we still need that check as lucid doesn't have a high enough dpkg, /me sends mail to -devel
[06:13] <Unit193> Heh, fun indeed.  If you mean ubuntu-devel, I'll read it tomorrow. :)
[06:15] <micahg> yeah
[06:16] <Noskcaj> micahg, Can you have a look at the latest xfce-indicator-plugin from debian? i couldn't work out the conflict
[06:16] <micahg> Noskcaj: yeah, on my list, but not tonight
[06:16] <Noskcaj> ok
[06:16] <micahg> the patch probably needs to be reworked for the new upstream version
[06:20] <Noskcaj> It does, that's part of why i ran away from it
[06:52] <micahg> bluesabre: you're working on catfish, right?
[06:57] <micahg> bluesabre: Bug #1202085 
[07:39] <Noskcaj> Why do we still keep the old patch files is xfce4-datetime-plugin?
[08:16] <Noskcaj> Unless i've missed something, the datetime plugin no longer needs the patches it has
[09:51] <bluesabre> micahg, I've recently learned an even better way to remove the dependency, I'll introduce it soon.
[19:42] <pleia2> knome knome knome 
[19:42] <pleia2> http://xubuntu.org/?p=1753&preview=true
[20:13] <knome> pleia2 pleia2 pleia2 
[20:14] <knome> aha, wow
[20:14] <knome> that'll take some time
[20:18] <pleia2> :)
[20:18] <pleia2> oh, pictures!
[20:19] <knome> pleia2, are the quotes after the first subheader intentional, and if yes, why them abut not the next paragraphs
[20:20]  * pleia2 looks
[20:20] <knome> i'd also tweak the links
[20:20] <pleia2> ah, I think that was him quoting the mission statement of the org
[20:20] <knome> ah, right
[20:20] <knome> that's a bit weird
[20:21]  * pleia2 clarifies that
[20:21] <knome> thanks
[20:22] <knome> Ubtunu
[20:22] <knome> milwaukee (case)
[20:23] <knome> opensource (no space)
[20:23] <pleia2> that's how we spell it now
[20:23] <knome> really?
[20:23] <pleia2> no :)
[20:23] <knome> haha
[20:23] <knome> .
[20:24] <knome> so the links
[20:24] <knome> they are just URLs now
[20:24] <pleia2> yeah
[20:25] <knome> i'd rather change to "Read more about Project: Community Computers" (first link) etc.
[20:26] <knome> and i'm thinking we might want to move the "if your organization..." to the top
[20:26] <pleia2> yeah, I was split on that
[20:26] <pleia2> I think I had it all at the bottom before
[20:26] <knome> the bottom part is boo because it's not separated any way from the content
[20:27] <knome> (yeah, i should get some theme improvements in so we could handle these things better)
[20:28] <knome> other than those mentions it looks good to go
[20:30] <pleia2> knome: ok, refresh
[20:30] <pleia2> it has pictures now too!
[20:31] <knome> woo
[20:31] <knome> we could align those
[20:31]  * pleia2 fixes up last link
[20:31] <pleia2> I tried to do center in wordpress magic, but it no likey
[20:31] <knome> hmm. okay. i'll see
[20:31] <knome> might be again something in the theme
[20:31] <knome> looks like i really should get the stuff done ASAP
[20:31] <pleia2> I'm going to close editing, you can edit if you want
[20:31] <pleia2> planning on publishing Friday morning (alreayd had sticker news today)
[20:31] <knome> i'll look at the pics, then publish
[20:32] <knome> oh, ok
[20:32] <knome> i'll look at the pics then ;)
[20:32] <pleia2> thanks :)
[20:32] <knome> hmph, right
[20:32] <knome> yeah, we need a theme update
[20:32] <knome> and i should send those question to tero at the local uni
[20:32] <pleia2> ah, title should be "Xubuntu at Project: Community Computers in Milwaukee"
[20:33] <pleia2> since that's their formal name
[20:33] <pleia2> yes, you should!
[20:33] <knome> boo
[20:33] <knome> ;)
[20:33] <knome> i don't have an edit lock
[20:35] <knome> how long are you going to be around today?
[20:37] <knome> brb
[20:38] <pleia2> I'm working but I should be around all evneing
[20:39]  * pleia2 laundry
[20:39] <Unit193> Oh yeah, I need to do that too. :?
[20:48] <knome> ok, good
[20:49] <knome> i'll do some improvements soon then and let you see them
[20:49] <knome> and i hope we can get to send IS a mail about them before i'm off to the summer cottage again on friday :)
[20:52] <pleia2> :)
[20:58] <knome> jjfrv8, hello :)
[20:58] <jjfrv8> Hi, knome 
[21:01] <pleia2> doc hero, jjfrv8!
[21:01] <jjfrv8> Don't know about that :)
[21:02] <pleia2> :)
[21:03] <jjfrv8> I think it's doable to finish the P docs before 8/1.  Does it look that way from your end, knome ?
[21:03] <knome> jjfrv8, at this speed, definitely
[21:04] <jjfrv8> Ok.  I've got chs 5, 7 & 8 ready whenever, I don't think 9 needs any work (if you and skellat still want to include it). 10 and the rest look easy
[21:05] <jjfrv8> I'm going to work on networking (ch 4) this weekend when I get a machine with wireless
[21:15] <jjfrv8> * I meant chapter 6 for networking
[21:15] <knome> :)
[21:50] <knome> ok, some improvements in http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/
[21:52] <Noskcaj> Translating the xubuntu docs is officially the most tedious thing that can be done
[21:52] <knome> Noskcaj, stop doing that. the australian translation is probably the most useless :P
[21:53] <Noskcaj> We matter...
[21:53] <knome> Noskcaj, i mean, if you think that it's tedious, then stop
[21:53] <Noskcaj> I did
[21:53] <knome> your effort is more valuable elsewhere.
[22:41] <knome> pleia2, ding ding ding!
[22:42] <pleia2> hello knome!
[22:42] <knome> look at the link i posted
[22:42] <pleia2> oh I didn't look at the thing
[22:42] <knome> the footer is off and not "everything" is there, but does the top part look better now?
[22:43] <pleia2> yeah that looks fine
[22:43] <knome> good
[22:43] <knome> i also fixed some of the editor styles
[22:43] <knome> so you should have a semi-WYSIWYG view
[22:43] <knome> but there's still a lot to do 
[22:43] <pleia2> okie
[22:44] <knome> i want to change the navigation
[22:44] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/saucy_website/newnavi.png
[22:44] <knome> that's one proposal, but i'm not 100% happy with it
[22:44] <pleia2> I like it
[22:44] <knome> what do you think of the activities/blog part in that though?
[22:45] <pleia2> I am sometimes blind to menus on the top of the screen, so I lke repeating them later
[22:45] <knome> like in the bottom of the page?
[22:45] <pleia2> yeah
[22:45] <knome> that might work
[22:46] <pleia2> or even the Get Started links currently under the screenshot in our site now
[22:46] <knome> umh, yeah
[22:46] <knome> i want to get rid of the graphical navigation though if at all possible
[22:46] <knome> or change the way we're doing it
[22:46] <knome> it's a pain to maintain
[22:47] <pleia2> yeah
[22:47] <pleia2> I don't care if it's graphical, just enjoy that they exist where my eyeballs go
[22:47] <knome> heh
[22:47] <knome> i hope they stay where they are
[22:47] <knome> for your comfort ;)
[22:47] <pleia2> much appreciated ;)
[22:48] <knome> so, what about the activities bar?
[22:48] <knome> if that looks good, i could throw that in
[22:48] <pleia2> bar?
[22:48] <knome> it does waste some vertical space..
[22:48] <knome> the whiter bg
[22:48] <pleia2> oh, look at that
[22:48] <pleia2> it's too bright in this room for me to have noticed
[22:48] <knome> heh
[22:49] <pleia2> and with that, I think it's too subtle
[22:49] <knome> heh, ok
[22:50] <knome> otoh, if you don't see it... then you don't
[22:50] <pleia2> yeah
[22:50] <knome> i'd have to look at it with my laptop screen
[22:50] <knome> but it does give some structure for the frontpage
[23:50] <knome> pleia2, ping
[23:50] <pleia2> hey
[23:50] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/saucy_website/editor.png
[23:50] <knome> you comfortable with those options?
[23:50] <pleia2> yeah, I don't really like wysiwyg editors anyway
[23:50] <knome> yeah, me neither
[23:51] <knome> the styles menu is also useful
[23:52] <knome> has blockquote, code (block and inline), style that we can use to mark parts that need review and preformatted text
[23:52] <knome> and we can add anything we want
[23:52] <knome> eg. tell WP to have an item named "Elizabeth" and with that, create a p.pink element :P
[23:53] <pleia2> \o/
[23:54] <knome> and yeah, <h1> is disabled from "format"
[23:54] <pleia2> ah
[23:54] <knome> so you don't need to remind yourself what the "highest" header was you should use
[23:55] <knome> (you can still a <h1> element with the text mode)
[23:55] <knome> +add