[00:26] <IdleOne> 2nd largest in the US
[07:17] <dholbach> good morning
[07:18] <philipballew> greetings dholbach
[07:20] <dholbach> hi philipballew
[09:06] <dholbach> jose, can we update the uonair calendar? I haven't been able to do the dev hangouts for a while now
[16:04] <dholbach> all right my friends - I'll be back Wednesday morning
[16:04] <dholbach> have a good time without me! :)
[16:04] <dholbach> HUGS HUGS HUGS
[16:45] <nigelb> cjohnston, balloons, IdleOne, mhall119, and others: thank you for the birthday wishes
[16:45] <nigelb> I was having fun in cambridge on my birthday :)
[16:46] <balloons> nigelb, :-p
[16:47] <nigelb> balloons: :D
[16:49] <mhall119> nigelb: sounds fun, hope it was a good trip
[16:49] <nigelb> Yes, it was!
[16:49] <nigelb> The only downside was my harddisk crashing while I was there.
[16:50] <nigelb> Just managed to install Ubuntu on a new one.
[16:51] <balloons> nigelb, it sucls to have drives go down, but the re-install is so much saner with ubuntu isn't it :-)
[16:51] <nigelb> Indeed.
[16:51] <nigelb> I was on Fedora briefly.
[16:52] <nigelb> Nope, not my thing.
[19:20] <bkerensa> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2419744,00.asp
[19:21] <bkerensa> "Mark Shuttleworth, the founder of Canonical, publishers of Ubuntu, has given up on the idea that Linux (which Ubuntu is based on) will ever supplant Windows, saying that if any OS will be the next big thing it's Apple's iOS or Google's Android"
[19:21] <popey> old
[19:21] <bkerensa> oh
[19:21] <popey> well
[19:21] <popey> semi-old ☻
[19:21] <bkerensa> Did Mark actually say that?
[19:21] <popey> In internet time
[19:22] <popey> I dunno where they got that quote from. I have seen it repeated. he may well have said it
[19:22] <popey> but i think dvorak is putting a *touch* of spin on it
[19:34] <jo-erlend> bkerensa, I don't think so. Think maybe he might be referring to bug #1.
[19:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[19:35] <jo-erlend> what, in progress? Thought that was fixed? :)
[19:36] <cjohnston> me too
[19:36] <mhall119> bkerensa: sounds like he was probably pointing out that mobile OS's have already out-paced Windows desktop
[19:36] <bkerensa> huh
[19:37] <bkerensa> jo-erlend: perhaps the Malaysia LoCo Team disagrees with Mark and thinks they can fix it :P
[19:37] <jo-erlend> yes, but Microsoft _doesn't_ have a majority market share anymore.
[19:38] <jo-erlend> they only have that if you don't consider all the new forms of personal computing. But that would be silly.
[19:40] <bkerensa> jo-erlend: Yes they do... As of 2013 Windows had a 81.54% market share on desktops... Microsoft never had a majority market share over mobiles so the Android/iOS bit is sort of invalid.
[19:40] <jo-erlend> why?
[19:40] <bkerensa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems
[19:40] <jo-erlend> when the bug was filed, you couldn't really consider a mobile phone equally important to a conventional PC. Now you can.
[19:40] <bkerensa> jo-erlend: because it was not a talking point when bug #1 was opened
[19:40] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[19:40] <bkerensa> and mobile phones existed then
[19:41] <mhall119> bkerensa: the question is whether or not bug #1 was desktops-only or personal-computers of which any meaningful definition will include tablets and smartphones
[19:41] <jo-erlend> bkerensa, yes, but that's exactly the point. Things have changed. Tempora mutantur nos et mutamur in illis.
[19:41] <bkerensa> so if Android/iOS was to be used in an arguement in closing bug #1
[19:41] <bkerensa> it could be said that bug #1 was invalid the whole time
[19:41] <jo-erlend> no. Why?
[19:41] <bkerensa> since Nokia had a majority market share of mobile for some time
[19:41] <jo-erlend> right, but even their smart-phones back then couldn't compete with a laptop.
[19:42] <bkerensa> sure but bug #1 did not mention phones it was about desktop and server dominance
[19:42] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[19:42] <bkerensa> so the bug was changed in context
[19:42] <bkerensa> not fixed
[19:43] <jo-erlend> It is not claimed in the bug report that it was fixed by Ubuntu.
[19:43] <bkerensa> it would be like jcastro opening a bug saying Puppet has a majority share of the cloud orchestration space
[19:43] <bkerensa> and then five years from now some changes to markets occur
[19:43] <bkerensa> and the context of his bug is changed and not fixed
[19:43] <jo-erlend> but that's also irrelevant. If there's a bug in the kernel that's reported on Launchpad, it'll still be considered fixed even if it's fixed by another distro.
[19:43] <mhall119> bkerensa: it's more like somebody filing a bug that Foo is too slow, then after computing power doubles a couple times over it's no longer too slow
[19:43] <jo-erlend> right.
[19:44] <bkerensa> the bug was filed in Ubuntu
[19:44] <bkerensa> and has not been fixed in Ubuntu
[19:44] <bkerensa> Ubuntu was supposed to be the fix
[19:44] <jo-erlend> bkerensa, many bugs are filed in Ubuntu and fixed elsewhere. That's not news.
[19:44] <mhall119> is there really any reason to get worked up over it?
[19:44] <jo-erlend> it stops being a bug when it doesn't bug anyone.
[19:45] <jo-erlend> so, if there was a bug in the kernel that only affected 80386 processors, for instance, that bug would be fixed the moment Linux didn't support 80386 anymore, even if the problem itself wasn't actually fixed.
[19:46] <jcastro> we don't really compete with puppet. :p
[19:47] <bkerensa> jcastro: that is true
[19:47] <bkerensa> :)
[19:47] <bkerensa> jcastro: they have local provider :P
[19:47] <bkerensa> jcastro: I tease
[19:47] <bkerensa> :)
[21:10] <SergioMeneses> jcastro, look http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/280/1766/20131186.full.pdf
[21:11] <jcastro> hey I have that dude's book!