/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/18/#ubuntu-quality.txt

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pittiGood morning03:30
jibelgood morning07:13
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DanChapmanGood Morning all :-)08:38
slickymastergood morning all09:06
slickymasterelfy, you there?09:06
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Noskcajevening slickymaster09:24
DanChapmanhey Noskcaj , slickymaster o/09:24
Noskcajhey DanChapman09:25
slickymasterDanChapan, good morning09:26
slickymasterNoskcaj, can you spare 5 minutes?09:26
Noskcajslickymaster, sure, what is it?09:26
slickymasterNosckaj, it's about this test: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/118349309:27
ubot5Launchpad bug 1183493 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Test Needed: Xfce Settings Manager" [Medium,In progress]09:27
slickymasterIt's tagged as merged but I'm still working on it09:28
NoskcajIf it's in a usable condition, leave it as merged but push a new version every time you think it's necessary09:29
NoskcajIf you're looking for something to do, the libreoffice tests are out of order and confusing09:31
slickymasterNoskcaj, ok, I'll continue working on it and I'll propose the merge when it's finished. Is that ok with you?09:31
Noskcajyep09:31
slickymasterNoskcaj, one last thing, about the translations for the TestDrive, the intention is to get both testedrive and testdricegtk translated, right?09:32
Noskcajyeah. Ignore the testdrive-gtk launchpad page though, it's a stub. Just use /testdrive and translate everything there09:33
Noskcaj(on launchpad)09:33
slickymasterNoskcaj, wiil do. About libreoffice, I don't think I can spare the time, for now, to work on it09:35
elfyslickymaster: not really here - as noskag said just work on it as you are then push when there's stuff to merge - you can forget about lkibreoffice testcases anyway - it's not xubuntu default app ;)12:39
knomeelfy, well said sir ;)12:54
elfy:)12:56
pittixnox: btw, did you happen to find out anything about partman-auto with an md device?13:50
xnoxpitti: nope, not yet.13:50
xnoxpitti: wanna hangout about ubiquity & autopilot14:01
pittixnox: ah right, that's now; gonna be there14:01
jibelhttps://code.launchpad.net/~jibel/+junk/ubiquity-autopilot-runner14:03
jibelDanChapman, balloons_ xnox pitti ^14:03
jibel./run-ubiquity-test ./saucy-desktop-amd64.iso14:04
jibelDanChapman, balloons_ xnox pitti ^14:04
balloons_ahh..much better :-p14:04
DanChapmanballoons_, FF is freezing up on me at the mo just waiting for it to catch up14:06
balloons_DanChapman, ahh.. it's giving alot of feedback through your mic14:06
* DanChapman gets headphones14:09
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balloonsDanChapman, I see ff is still causing heartache today14:37
DanChapmanYeah i'm still waiting on your review ;0)14:38
balloonsDanChapman, ohh, well let's solve that eh?14:38
DanChapmanthat should stop the fails for good14:38
xnoxWhy is dl-ubuntu-test-iso not in the archive?14:38
balloonsxnox aren't you planning to use zsync?14:40
balloonsahh.. this uses zsync plus some more, interesting14:41
xnoxballoons: dl-ubuntu-test-iso, i write one config file and simple "dl-ubuntu-test-iso" fetches the complete set of images I am interested in14:41
pittixnox: hm, now with ubiquity -d -b it crashes right after selecting the language, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5887752/14:42
xnoxballoons: and i'm surprised this is not in the archive.14:42
balloonsxnox, right right.. but it's not been around since 10.04 to my knowledge14:42
balloonsstemming from here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-tools?14:42
xnoxpitti: ouch.14:42
pittixnox: ah, sorry, my fault14:42
balloonsxnox, jibel might know more about dl-ubuntu-test-iso14:44
xnoxpitti: looks like parted_devices is not an executable?! =)14:44
pittixnox: for some reason it was damaged14:44
xnox /o\14:44
pittixnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5887760/14:44
pittixnox: ^ debug log after partman-auto (should have) done its job14:45
pittixnox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5887761/ ← /var/log/partman14:46
jibelxnox, it has been removed a while ago but cannot remember why14:46
pittixnox: can you somehow run just partman-auto in a terminal to see what it's doing, to avoid the ubiquity overhead in each turnaround?14:47
pittixnox: c'est l'heure du glace, à bientôt !14:50
stgraberpitti: de la14:51
stgraber;)14:51
pittistgraber: I thought that de la == du ?14:51
pittianyway, bbl14:52
balloonspitti, pardonnez mon français-- ice cream hour? ahh stgraber merci14:52
xnoxpitti: well, on only needs to run partman under d-i & debconf. Or run ubuntu-server image over that device only, somehow.14:52
stgraberpitti: "du chocolat" (masculine), "de la glace" (feminine)14:53
xnoxpitti: btw. parted state is not cleared after ubiquity exists so, one needs to clear /var/lib/parted/14:53
stgraberpitti: but it's french so there are exceptions ;)14:53
jibelpitti, du = de le14:54
DanChapmanxnox, for the dual-boot test are you only wanting to run it against windows. Or would you prefer the test to be non-distro specific . Just figuring out what to look for UI wise14:56
balloonsDanChapman, ff test is  merged14:56
balloonsI'll push to prod14:56
xnoxDanChapman: there are multiple configurations. See: http://goo.gl/Kokw514:57
xnoxDanChapman: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1bZ4yQIVgGaUGSYu3qiUHnQt3ieBZoqunP_DcleHCr3I/preview#bookmark=id.35db66d9d3b314:57
DanChapmanballoons, awesome. That should be it now! if that fails i will eat my socks!14:57
xnoxDanChapman: depending on the # of installed systems, # of available drives, whether they are ubuntu/windows/mac/other linux different options and text is displayed.14:58
xnoxpitti: i'm not sure DEP-8 makes sense, since we are testing ubiquity as is on the cd, instead of the one uploaded. I guess we need to trigger ubiquity upgrade from -proposed in the CD as well.14:59
DanChapmanxnox, ok great will go have a read. thanks14:59
xnoxpitti:  # Skip software RAID (mdadm) devices (/dev/md/X and /dev/mdX)                $(echo "$device" | grep -Eq "/dev/md/?[0-9]*$") && continue15:17
xnoxpitti:  /lib/partman/lib/auto-shared.sh15:17
pittistgraber: ah, I thought du would work for both genders; thanks!15:30
balloonsDanChapman, do you have further tests targetted to add for ubuntu-autopilot-tests?15:30
pittixnox: aah, thanks15:35
xnoxpitti: i think there is also a filter there to skip loop mounted devices.....15:36
pittixnox: well, it's not a loop device, so that part should be fine (they don't even appear in parted_devices)15:37
xnoxpitti: i think the logical reason behind it, is that not non mdadm /boot is required by the installer at the moment, despite the fact that grub2 learned how to read those.15:37
DanChapmanballoons, that i have been working on? or to add to the bug list?15:37
xnoxpitti: and one can't automatically guess which partition to use as /boot for an md device..... but we even chose not to install grub.... so it shouldn't be relevant. Hmm.15:38
pittixnox: ok, so I'll try again with hacking that15:38
pittixnox: hah nice, that works! at least I get the autopartitioning screen now15:39
xnox=)15:39
pittixnox: I'll add that to the script with a comment that we want that in the general case, but not in the test which covers the case when we indeed don't have a bootable device15:40
xnoxwell, i'd expect it to fail soonish, it might detect it's raid array and start trying to install mdadm and what not =/15:40
xnoxfingers crossed, it's enough to finish a normal install =)15:41
pittixnox: if we could spare 6 GB of RAM we could just use scsi_debug..15:41
xnoxpitti: oh, i can spare 6GB of RAM locally =)15:41
* xnox has 32GB15:41
* pitti has 415:42
pittixnox: sudo modprobe scsi_debug dev_size_mb=6000, and go wild :)15:42
pittithat should be mostly indistinguishable from a real scsi disk, unless you look rather hard (device path and such)15:43
xnoxnice. =) didn't know i could do that.15:43
pittixnox: aaaaand success!15:46
DanChapmanballoons, i wonder if creating tests for say libreoffice where ProcMan is needed is it worth it, considering the problems with FF and it being a rather simple test15:48
pittiDanChapman, balloons, jibel, xnox: please have an updated script which now DTRT: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/scripts/test-ubiquity.sh.txt15:49
balloonsDanChapman, I would consider libreoffice a lower priority as there is a nice set of autopkg tests for it15:49
pittiI just tested an ubiquity installation end-to-end with autopartitioning15:49
pittifdisk -l /dev/md42 looks reasonable, too15:49
balloonsDanChapman, so I was just looking at the list, what else can we add / do?15:52
balloonsDanChapman, sorry I should be more clear. for ubuntu-autopilot-tests, I'm looking at the trello board15:52
balloonsmost of our original targets are done and deemed not doable15:53
balloons*or15:53
DanChapmanballoons, i had a hack at rhythmbox little while back but it was getting really hacky. I was gonna ask pitti if it's possible to mount a music cd with umockdev and how?15:53
DanChapmanballoons, I think gnome-calculator should go on there15:53
xnoxpitti:  \o/15:53
pittiDanChapman: not with umockdev, but with scsi_debug you can do it15:53
* DanChapman just heads to trello15:53
pittiDanChapman: I do that in the udisks2 and in the gvfs tsts15:54
balloonsDanChapman, ahh.. good point. I'm really sad about shotwell, you should open the card and check the linked bug and see if anything has changed15:54
pittiDanChapman: main issue is that you need root for it15:54
DanChapmanballoons, will take a look at shotwell. I never did look to see why it couldn't be done.15:55
balloonsDanChapman, the issue is there was no way for us to programmtically get at the camera object15:55
balloonsbut you know, they didn't change the app to give us keyboard shortcuts, but maybe pitti's changes will show us the object now15:56
balloonsthe deal was the camera object didn't appear in autopilot for us to interact with15:56
pittiif it's not exposed, please file an autopilot-gtk but15:56
balloonscarla did work already on mocking a camera and everything for it, so there was quite a bit of work done15:56
pittibug; I'll look into it15:56
DanChapmanpitti, will have a peak at gvfs.15:57
pittiDanChapman: is root a problem for your tests?15:58
pittiDanChapman: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gvfs/tree/test/gvfs-test#n98315:58
pittiDanChapman: actually, http://cgit.freedesktop.org/udisks/tree/src/tests/integration-test#n389 is structurally easier, if you want to look at that16:02
pittiDanChapman: it's the same approach, but with less wrapping around it16:02
DanChapmanballoons, if i remember correctly the camera comes up in the tree view in the left pane. We can't see the items inside objects like treeview and combobox. But can click on the treeview object to get focus so we can keyboard nav. I'll stick it on my todo and have a play before we rule itout16:07
balloonsDanChapman, ok, and as pitti said, if there's something he might be able to help with, let's note it :-)16:08
DanChapmanpitti, im not sure if root is a problem or not. balloons do you know??16:10
balloonsmm.. it has potential to be yes16:11
pittiDanChapman: autopkgtests have no problem with root; a "make check" upstream integration has, and if you want to run tests during package build16:11
balloonsthe tests themselves run as a normal user16:11
pittiwe cannot currently mock block devices purely as user16:11
pittithat's a rather complex thing to do16:11
balloonsbut if you do your setup via root before running the test, should be fine16:12
pittiDanChapman: I suggest your root setup leaves some marker in the file system which your tests can pick up (like the name of the fake cd drive)16:13
pittiDanChapman: and if your tests don't find the marker, you just unittest.skipIf() it16:13
pittiso that the other tests still work in a normal "make check" style16:14
pitti(if you integrate them in the upstream build/test system)16:14
DanChapmanahh ok i get what your saying. I'll have a go, will come back to you if i get stuck on that one :-P16:16
DanChapmanballoons, U1 would be a good test to have. Do you know if the U1 guys have a dummy account they use for testing?16:20
pittiDanChapman: ubuntuone-client just got an autopkgtest, that might have some kind of local dummy server to test against?16:23
balloonsDanChapman, I *think* elopio could shed some light on that. In general we left software center and u1 alone as they do there own automated testing16:23
balloonsand of course have special needs, like test accounts, etc :-)16:24
balloonswe also left unity alone as they too have there own testsuite in autopilot :-)16:25
DanChapmanballoons ahh ok. I saw it in the bug list. Should we remove it then?16:25
balloonsDanChapman, you could comment and mark won't fix16:25
balloonsshould that change, well :-)16:25
elopioDanChapman: it depends on the level of testing you have in mind. For user testing, we run most of the suites against a local or staging server, where we can create a new user for every test.16:26
elopiopitti: there's no dummy server. For the unit tests, they fake the parts needed for each test.16:33
pittielopio: ah, ok16:33
elopiothere are also some dummy clients, that test some features from the servers. So the real client needs mostly a manual run to check that the integration looks good.16:34
DanChapmanelopio, is it any use to have an autopilot test for U1-control-panel? just looking it already has a wealthy test suite anyway16:37
elopioDanChapman: it would be nice, of course. Currently it's not a priority, since the development has freezed. And if it's resumed, it will probably change the UI to use the SDK.16:39
DanChapmanballoons, ive moved nautilus and terminal back to todo on trello as they both use ProcMan and can be introspected now16:50
balloonsDanChapman, :-)16:50
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asacdoanac: one question ... the smem job that i see that runs together with autopilots18:57
asacdoanac: is that the job getting the data for memory budget?18:57
doanacasac: it produces this report: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/memory/idle/arch/armhf/19:13
Letozaf_balloons, Hi20:13
* SergioMeneses says hi everybody20:14
Letozaf_I am working on the settings tab autopilot test for sudoku app, as I will not finish it tonight, it's a bit too long, I pushed what I did til now, probably tomorrow I will finish it, hope: https://code.launchpad.net/~carla-sella/sudoku-app/settingsTab20:15
Letozaf_SergioMeneses, Hello20:15
Letozaf_balloons, just if you want to take a look ,but don't have to :)20:15
SergioMenesesLetozaf_, hi how you been?20:19
Letozaf_SergioMeneses, fine and you ?20:19
SergioMenesesLetozaf_, fine too working :D20:20
Letozaf_SergioMeneses, oh so you're problably quite busy ;)20:21
Letozaf_SergioMeneses, what do you do ?20:22
SergioMenesesLetozaf_, i'm working as system administrator20:24
SergioMenesesnot too busy right now... everything is working well20:25
Letozaf_SergioMeneses, cool nice job, like me :D20:26
Letozaf_SergioMeneses, well hope you enjoy it20:27
SergioMenesesLetozaf_, I do :)20:27
Letozaf_SergioMeneses, good, good :D20:27
SergioMenesesLetozaf_, I have a little issue with Apache but I'm reading about it20:29
Letozaf_Letozaf_, oh! unfortunatly I do not have Apache where I work, I wish I did :p20:31
Letozaf_SergioMeneses, you are lucky20:31
Letozaf_SergioMeneses, it's nice working with open source instead or proprietary software :p20:31
SergioMenesesLetozaf_, ofcourse :) that is the reason to be working here20:32
SergioMenesesI can learn a lot and get better skills about services20:32
Letozaf_SergioMeneses, yeah true :D20:32
Letozaf_SergioMeneses, I also do it for fun :p20:33
SergioMenesessure20:33
SergioMenesesI'm going to get some coffee20:33
asacdoanac: ok ... so thats not what gives use the other memory dash preview you showed me?20:34
doanacasac: no20:34
phillwhas any one seen the scarlet pimpernel about (aka balloons)? :)20:41
Letozaf_SergioMeneses, I am going to bed now, bye and good luck for your job :)20:43
SergioMenesesLetozaf_, ok see you!20:44
knomephillw, said something about 4 hours ago20:44
phillwhe's probably tied up with auto-testing :)20:44
knomeor mirroring his handsome face20:47
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knomebbl20:47
balloonsknome, phillw I've been feeling quite ill21:30
phillwballoons: sorry to hear :( I've got a "winged" guy also on lubuntu.  It's just a request to see if https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/Activities can go live before I edit to death!21:32
phillw*edit it to death!*21:32
balloonsphillw, I'd say yes.. kick off a round of review on the mailing list and let people know and give input :-)21:33
phillwelse, I can throw it to the tender mercies of the mailing list :)21:33
phillwI'll do both - and take a backup of the exiting one :)21:33
balloonsthe only other thing I want to see there is stuff on running the development release21:33
balloonsit's much nicer than what we have :-)21:34
balloonsgood work!21:34
phillwballoons: not too sure what else to add in for that... most of those pages being referred to are pulled from testing pages. Let me have a think, if I can't come up with some thing 'short and sweet' I'll ask for input from the ML21:35
balloonswell, I'd like to have something on, hey install the testin version of ubuntu21:35
balloonsin a vm or on a box, and use it to participate in cadence testing, etc21:36
phillwSure, I can pull a heading up for that, and include on it some links21:36
balloonsright.. and if your really up for it, run it fulltime21:36
balloonsthat's never really been documented..21:36
phillwas we have the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/TheStages I guess making a fully fledged one for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/TheStages#Virtual_Machines with the header being 'how to test the dev release' would fit in?21:39
phillwI'm not sure enough about cadence tetsting's ins and outs to further edit the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Saucy maybe when you're feeling better you can have a look at that and then it can be fully added as a header section (unless you're happy with it as it stands, in which case I'll do that in this editing session I'm about to do)21:41
phillwI've got a couple of hours to do a last head on edit!21:42
phillwI'd better mention testdrive, or my name will be mud!21:43
phillwYeah, it's okay.. I can see how to format it up! It'll get done in next couple of hours..21:45
slickymastergood night everyone21:53
Noskcajhello slickymaster, Thanks for the translations21:53
slickymasterNoskcaj, you're welcome21:54
slickymasterNoskcaj, I've also finished Xfce4 Settings Manager and I'm going to push it now to merge proposal21:55
slickymasterNoslcaj, I've not covered all the items in the settings manager because several items were already covered in other tests21:56
balloonsphillw, got it.. go for broke mate21:56
slickymasterNoskcaj, do you think I should mention that in the proposal comment?21:57
Noskcajslickymaster, it might be a good idea. I'll merge it when i get home from school unless elfy or balloons beat me to it22:00
slickymasterNoskcaj, will do it, then22:01
stgraberballoons, knome: do you have a list of changes and links to mockups for the bits you want me to change on the QATracker?22:02
stgraberI have a vague hope of doing some of that on my flight to London on Saturday22:02
knomestgraber, http://temp.knome.fi/qa/iso-tracker-mockup-12.png22:03
knomestgraber, i can write an email running through the changes exactly if that helps22:03
stgraberknome: yeah, that'd be helpful and attach the mockup so I have it offline. I have a bunch of notes in my irclogs and elsewhere but that won't be too helpful if I do it over the ocean ;)22:04
knomei'll do that :)22:04
balloonsknome, awesome, I'll let you be the one source of communication on this22:05
knomeballoons, i'll cc you too.22:05
balloonsI think we've hashed out the ideas well enough22:05
knomeanybody else who should be informed?22:06
balloonseveryone else when we have the results ;-) otheriwse.. none come to mind22:06
knomeokay22:06
knomestgraber, balloons: you both have mail22:31
stgraberknome: what extra tags do you want?22:38
stgraberknome: you currently have: <a> <em> <strong> <cite> <blockquote> <code> <ul> <ol> <li> <dl> <dt> <dd> <pre> <img>22:38
knome<h*>22:39
knomei mean, something22:39
knomelet me check and propose22:39
stgraberknome: added h1 to h5 for now22:39
phillwballoons: now... the $64,000 question... do you want it in alpha / beat / RC (as it is now) with cadence week numbers in brackets, or do you want it cadence week number order with alpha / beta / RC in brackets?22:39
knomestgraber, i'm thinking we might not want to enable h1...22:39
phillwballoons: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Testing_The_Devlopment_Release#preview22:39
stgraberknome: hmm, yeah, might make it a bit confusing with the site's own headers22:40
phillwGrr.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Testing_The_Devlopment_Release22:40
knomestgraber, unless we style them appropriately (eg. the <h1> in testcase shouldn't be as big as the <h1> in the page header or so)22:40
stgraberknome: h3 to h5 are unused on the standard pages, not sure how they look like though22:41
stgraberwell, h6 is free too22:41
stgraberI'll enable those for now, if you need h2, let me know22:41
stgraberknome: and done (those are simple Drupal settings)22:41
knomestgraber, i'd say h3/h4 would be enough22:41
knomestgraber, if you can enable those in the sandbox, i can come up with some css for them soonish22:42
knomestgraber, considering the use we have for the elements, just h3 would be fine tbe22:42
stgraberknome: ok, qa.dev.stgraber.org updated too22:43
knomestgraber, great, thanks22:43
knomestgraber, i just want something to separate two or more blocks of text from each other22:43
knomestgraber, so that's why i've been asking for those :)22:43
stgraberknome: for the "You are currently on: Ubuntu ISO Testing" it's mostly to distinguish the dozen instances on the same server (as I can't easily change the <title> without hacking Drupal). But I should be able to move that bit to something title-looking next to the Ubuntu logo (I "think" there's a block area I can use there)22:45
knomestgraber, that's what i'm thinking22:45
knomestgraber, the note is a bit confusing if you don't know about all those different instances or do not care22:46
knomestgraber, it might lead people thinking "(is this) where i *should* be?" :)22:46
knome(and of course, it uses valuable, top-of-the-page space without being overly useful)22:47
knomestgraber, h3 { display: inline; font-size: 125%; border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc; }22:52
knomestgraber, that should be increasingly good-looking once the testcases have a white background22:52
stgraberok22:53
knomeif it ends up looking bad, i'll let you know of any replacement css22:54
knomebut i doubt that22:54
xnoxpitti: jibel: balloons: i am blown away =) cloud-init cloud image in a qemu, to run auto-package-test which launches a VM to drive an installer, and watchint it via doubly connected vnc forward......23:01
xnoxinception - the programmer's special edition =)23:01
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stgraberknome: YGM23:14
knomestgraber, you should probably discuss the critical/non-critical bugs with balloons23:16
stgraberknome: he's Cced ;)23:17
knomeright23:17
knomeit's 2am ;)23:17
knome>23:18
knome> – Reports for the testcase (also see new preferred table layout)23:18
knomeYou mean the target for "To see a full list of bugs reported for this23:18
knometestcase..."?23:18
knomei'm not following that23:18
knomewhat i meant that the table columns are rearranged23:20
knome+is23:20
stgraberknome: ah, I understood the table columns to be "(also see new preferred table layout)" and interpreted the "Reports for the testcase" as being "we need some page to list all the bugs for a testcase"23:21
knomewell, that'd be useful :)23:21
knomewhat's an edit icon that doesn't suck?23:22
knomei thought "details" more than "edit" when looking for that icon23:23
stgraberknome: well, I guess a usual pen like icon or something along those lines23:28
stgraberknome: that icon is shown when you have right to alter a result, either because it's your own or because you're an admin23:29
stgraberthe copy/paste briefcase looks a bit odd for that (if I didn't know what that link is supposed to do, I'd never guess ;))23:30
knomethat's because you're not supposed to guess, you're supposed to know >:)23:30
knomestgraber, http://temp.knome.fi/qa/elementary-actions-16-edit.png ?23:32
stgraberyep, that'd do the trick23:32
knomewill you pick that up or want me to email that?23:32
stgrabere-mail please, in 24x24 if you have23:33
knomestgraber, re: critical/normal bugs... i suppose the logic was that if a test is failing, all bugs should be critical23:33
knomei know that's not waterproof, but it would mean one less input box for the use23:34
knome*user23:34
knomeall the other icons are 16px. is there a reason why you want to force 24 for this, or would you like them all in that size (and why?)23:34
stgraberah, did you get everything down to 16px? the current ones are all 24 i think23:35
knomeyep, all is down to 1623:35
stgraberok, then 16px is fine23:35
knomei don't think we're making it any harder to use, and it's a bit more compact this way23:36
stgraberso typically from a release team point of view, I only care about the red bugs, everything else I just ignore23:36
stgraberhaving to then go and check individual reports and bugs makes me waste time23:36
knomei see23:36
stgraberso I prefer having two input fields and having the user decide which are blockers and which aren't than have the release team go through them all and generate yet another report :)23:37
knomemhm23:37
knomei'm fine with that23:37
knomei'm more interested in the improved looks/readability than the actual features23:37
stgraberhaha, I'm quite the opposite, I couldn't care less about design/readability so long as I get all I need in less than 30s on the site ;)23:39
stgraber(well, I tend to use the API to shorten that time even more)23:39
knomeheh, yeah23:39

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