| MooDoo_ | hello all | 06:44 |
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| diplo | Morning | 07:11 |
| dwatkins | allo allo | 07:11 |
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| === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk | ||
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| === msm is now known as Guest80806 | ||
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| mungbean | !ping | 08:32 |
| lubotu3 | pong! | 08:32 |
| Gary | !chickens | 08:33 |
| mungbean | firefox kills my pc so badly i've taken to bookmarking all tabs and shutting it down every couple of days | 08:35 |
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| MooDoo | any advance on chickens? | 08:37 |
| SuperMatt | I still can't comprehend why some people keep so many tabs open | 08:37 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: marinate in a soy sauce, place on grill? | 08:37 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/soy-and-garlic-marinated-chicken/ | 08:37 |
| SuperMatt | I have tabs for "ongoing" stuff, like facebook, twitter, etc, and then normal browsing gets closed down all the time | 08:37 |
| popey | Morning all | 08:37 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperMatt: I work the same way | 08:38 |
| SuperMatt | morning Alan | 08:38 |
| andrewebdev | MooDoo, I use many critical webapps for my work, and I always have those tabs pinned in Chrome | 08:38 |
| MartijnVdS | When I'm on a "project" I can get to 20 tabs or so.. but then I start closing them | 08:38 |
| popey | I have a chromium user for each "personality" I have ☻ | 08:38 |
| popey | home, work, uupc, and various odd twitter accounts | 08:38 |
| popey | I only have home open in the evening, with the work one open all day | 08:38 |
| SuperMatt | I still can't decide which browser to use | 08:38 |
| SuperMatt | which one is winning in the firefox/chromium debate right now? | 08:38 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperMatt: yes. | 08:39 |
| MooDoo | chrome will do me, although I heard chromium is going to be default in the next ubuntu release? | 08:39 |
| popey | with home and work only open I have 77 tabs open | 08:39 |
| andrewebdev | Personal preferance wins that debate :) | 08:39 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 08:39 |
| MooDoo | morning brobostigon | 08:39 |
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 08:39 |
| SuperMatt | sure, btu I'm talking about which one is going to be bundled by default with 13.10 | 08:39 |
| andrewebdev | ha | 08:39 |
| andrewebdev | ah* | 08:39 |
| MooDoo | SuperMatt: chromium isn't it | 08:40 |
| MooDoo | ? | 08:40 |
| SuperMatt | I don't know | 08:40 |
| popey | a discussion was started on that | 08:40 |
| SuperMatt | but it hasn't been finished? | 08:40 |
| popey | i dunno if the switch has been made | 08:41 |
| MooDoo | do what MS did, don't install any browser, let the user install the one they want to use :D | 08:41 |
| popey | given chromium is still in universe, unlikely | 08:41 |
| mungbean | SuperMatt: researching a topic | 08:42 |
| mungbean | lots of resources and wiki pages | 08:42 |
| mungbean | all important to keep open | 08:42 |
| mungbean | until finished the work | 08:42 |
| brobostigon | also, chromium in my experience has always not really been kept upto date and recent, which is anther issue. | 08:42 |
| mungbean | about:memory hangs when i run it on firefox :( | 08:43 |
| mungbean | every couple of releases they say...new release is awesome and fixes all memory issues! | 08:43 |
| mungbean | faster than chrome! | 08:43 |
| mungbean | hmm...must be a memory leak somewhere...closed most apps and running 2.8GB used | 08:45 |
| popey | the performance is secondary, it's the multi-profile stuff in chromium i like | 08:45 |
| popey | which firefox doesn't seem to have | 08:45 |
| brobostigon | yes, an influence from chromium os. | 08:47 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all, happy Nelson Mandela Day! :-D | 08:48 |
| MooDoo | morning JamesTait | 08:49 |
| JamesTait | MooDoo, o/ | 08:49 |
| JamesTait | How's life? | 08:49 |
| MooDoo | JamesTait: tired frustrated hay fever blah blah blah....things are great :D | 08:49 |
| brobostigon | morning JamesTait | 08:49 |
| mungbean | i usually get chronic hayfever but not this year \o/ | 08:50 |
| JamesTait | brobostigon, o/ | 08:50 |
| SuperMatt | on the browser wars, I love Firefox's ethos, I like chrom*'s new webapps thingy, don't like that chromium takes a little while to get updates, and don't like chrome's extreme ties to google | 08:50 |
| JamesTait | MooDoo, I don't suffer from hay fever, but can relate to the other two. ;) | 08:50 |
| brobostigon | my hey fever is pretty bad, my nose is sore and feels like a fountain. | 08:50 |
| SuperMatt | Maybe the answer is in using chromium for webapps and firefox for browsing | 08:50 |
| MooDoo | JamesTait: :) | 08:50 |
| mungbean | if you use the ctrl-K to search in firefox, are you sending most of your data to google anyway? | 08:51 |
| SuperMatt | I was seriously considering last night switching my searches over to yahoo | 08:51 |
| mungbean | i'd rather DDG than yahooters | 08:51 |
| * SuperMatt nods | 08:52 | |
| brobostigon | 1info chromium-browser unstable | 08:52 |
| brobostigon | !info chromium-browser unstable | 08:52 |
| lubotu3 | chromium-browser (source: chromium-browser): Chromium browser - transitional dummy package. In component main, is optional. Version 28.0.1500.71-2 (unstable), package size 157 kB, installed size 1684 kB | 08:52 |
| mungbean | got stuck on 18 for years | 08:53 |
| brobostigon | not too ancient. | 08:53 |
| popey | it was for a while brobostigon | 08:53 |
| brobostigon | popey: definatly. yes. | 08:53 |
| mungbean | i can't think of anything i search for that wouldn't want to show others | 08:54 |
| mungbean | but it can be used for profiling | 08:54 |
| brobostigon | !info chromium-browser experimental | 08:55 |
| lubotu3 | 'experimental' is not a valid distribution: extras, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, medibuntu, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, quantal, quantal-backports, quantal-proposed, raring, raring-backports, raring-proposed, saucy, saucy-backports, saucy-proposed, stable, testing, unstable | 08:55 |
| Laney | dear god | 08:58 |
| Laney | I think this fan might be too big for the small room I'm putting it in | 08:58 |
| popey | the new chair? | 08:58 |
| Laney | the blades are the same size as my head | 08:58 |
| brobostigon | wow. | 08:59 |
| MooDoo | Laney: make sure you duck then ;) | 08:59 |
| Laney | not individually - the whole thing :P | 08:59 |
| popey | oh, fan | 08:59 |
| Laney | the chair fit in quite nicely | 08:59 |
| directhex | i'm cold :( | 09:03 |
| SuperMatt | hmmm | 09:04 |
| SuperMatt | ddg is much better than I seem to remember | 09:04 |
| MooDoo | directhex: what? | 09:05 |
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| * popey goes to get a fan | 09:07 | |
| directhex | MooDoo, 2 hours of aircon ponted at my back | 09:07 |
| MooDoo | directhex: ah! | 09:07 |
| MooDoo | directhex: /me sites under the air con, it's nice :D | 09:21 |
| Laney | oh yeahhhhh | 09:23 |
| Laney | this beast is pretty powerful | 09:23 |
| popey | i just got a face full of dust from mine | 09:25 |
| Laney | need to move it further away | 09:27 |
| Laney | '1' next to my shoulder is a bit much | 09:28 |
| popey | mine is 3, 3 feet away, rotating. might switch off rotate and just have it blast me in the face constantly | 09:28 |
| czajkowski | Laney: pic? | 09:39 |
| * Laney stabs U1 | 09:44 | |
| Laney | had to manually rotate it | 09:44 |
| Laney | czajkowski: http://ubuntuone.com/04P1ZR9uIssRvpd1KWT7Tn | 09:44 |
| Laney | not that a picture of a fan is very interesting ... | 09:44 |
| mungbean | do u1 provide support if you are customer of the free solution? | 09:45 |
| DJones | There is the #ubuntuone channel that will probably give some support to some issues | 09:46 |
| mungbean | i raised an email ticket about an issue | 09:46 |
| mungbean | few weeks ago | 09:46 |
| diplo | Hi guys, got a reseller account with a web host, trying to scp some files from one user to another on the same box but cgetting ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host so I guess they have a sshd setting to disallow it, any other thoughts on copying a dir of images from one user to another to save me downloading/uploading a few hundred meg of images | 09:50 |
| MooDoo | diplo: who's the host? | 09:50 |
| diplo | Compila.com | 09:50 |
| MooDoo | diplo: ah ok | 09:50 |
| diplo | Fairly shite, could probably ask them to do something but by the time they look at my ticket I could do it myself, tried su but thats denied as well. Think I'm out of options :) | 09:51 |
| * diplo can't wait till I order my dedicated server and run it myself! | 09:52 | |
| czajkowski | if folks are running saucy and a a dropbox fan you may run into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1193522 just a heads up | 09:52 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 1193522 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_action_get_name()" [Medium,Confirmed] | 09:52 |
| czajkowski | you will need to use it via the web | 09:52 |
| * AlanBell has run into that | 09:53 | |
| AlanBell | one reason to ditch the dropbox and switch to sparkleshare | 09:53 |
| czajkowski | well I use U1 for everything tbh | 09:54 |
| czajkowski | but I do need dropbox for work so I'll just use the web | 09:54 |
| AlanBell | I had huge problems with U1 file sync, never worked properly for me | 09:54 |
| diplo | AlanBell: Do you store many binary files in sparkleshare ? | 09:55 |
| AlanBell | it is just nautilus that crashes with dropbox at the moment, you can open stuff from libreoffice file-open dialog or whatever | 09:55 |
| AlanBell | diplo: sure, 6.3G of stuff apparently | 09:56 |
| diplo | I read ages ago the downside for sparkleshare because it uses git was the replication takes a lot more space because of the binary data ? | 09:57 |
| AlanBell | actually that is over counting it, probably 3G or so for stuff | 09:57 |
| dwatkins | you know you've been away from the command line for too long when instead of typing 'apt-get' you type 'rpm'... | 09:57 |
| AlanBell | the .git directory is 2.8G | 09:57 |
| DJones | Heh, Either the Huaweu Ascen Y210 is a pretty poor phone, or the Talk Talk network must be pretty poor for them to be giving the phones away for free on a 2 year contract costing only £1.25/month for the 1st 6mths and even then it only goes up to £5/mth and thats with 100 minutes, 250 texts and 100Mb of data | 09:58 |
| AlanBell | so yes, there is more metadata, but I have a local full history tree, and I don't really care about space that much | 09:58 |
| AlanBell | DJones: the Huawei Y300 is a rather good phone, dunno about the Y210 | 09:59 |
| MartijnVdS | And, instead of the NSA listening in, you get the Chinese version! | 09:59 |
| diplo | I may give it a try again ta | 09:59 |
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| DJones | Android 2.3...... | 10:00 |
| DJones | That may explain it | 10:01 |
| popey | crusty | 10:01 |
| AlanBell | it will work fine for a lot of people | 10:01 |
| DJones | I guess for somebody looking for a basic phone it would be ideal though | 10:01 |
| DJones | I was tempted to have a closer look at it for my wife, she hates her current phone | 10:03 |
| Gary | it'd work well for a phone for kids I think | 10:03 |
| DJones | Nah, its only 100 minutes & 250 texts, that'd be used inside the first day | 10:04 |
| mungbean | i use about 3 minutes per month | 10:04 |
| mungbean | and 10 texts | 10:04 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:05 |
| mungbean | the difference between android 2.3 and later versions is not that great | 10:05 |
| popey | i installed an app on my android phone to keep track of usage | 10:05 |
| popey | it's rather good | 10:05 |
| mungbean | my giffgaff network automatically does that | 10:05 |
| Gary | ah, yeah it's a contract. I've got my fosterkid a payg sim from giffgaff and pay a set tenner a month for a goodybag, if he goes over he loses the ability to call till the next cycle | 10:05 |
| davmor2 | popey: watchdog? | 10:05 |
| popey | Onavo | 10:05 |
| AlanBell | depending on the kids in question the contract would be fine, but bigger screen is good for games | 10:05 |
| DJones | IT'd be perfect my parents, they each have a mobile phone, 95% of the time they leave it in a drawer at home, the 5% of the time they take it with them, they only switch it on when they want to send a text/make a call and then turn it off again | 10:06 |
| mungbean | gary, i'm on the 7.50 giffgaff, pretty good | 10:06 |
| popey | as you install/upgrade apps it lets you know if they're known "data hogs" | 10:06 |
| popey | and keeps track of your data usage, you can block apps | 10:06 |
| popey | it's rather natty | 10:06 |
| AlanBell | we switched from giffgaff to a £7.50/month contract and free Y300 | 10:06 |
| Gary | mungbean: yeah, I might move to that myself, but Dan would probably want more, so for an extra two pound fifty it makes more sense to do the tenner | 10:06 |
| popey | how much data do you get with the giffgaff 7.50? | 10:07 |
| Gary | http://giffgaff.com/goodybags 250mb popey | 10:07 |
| popey | blimey | 10:08 |
| DJones | In normal usage, the only data hog I find are app updates so I'#ve set that to only update on wifi, unless I'm driving somewhere I'm normally connected to a wifi network | 10:08 |
| popey | the 12 quid one is good! | 10:08 |
| mungbean | yes, although i'm on wifi most of the day | 10:08 |
| mungbean | so 250mb suits me | 10:08 |
| mungbean | monthly recurring meeans i could always get a 12 quid one for holiday | 10:08 |
| diplo | I'm surprised at how much data I use as I'm on wifi all day as well | 10:09 |
| AlanBell | http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/buy/HUAWEI_Y300_KM072_FCON is the deal my daughter has | 10:09 |
| mungbean | let me know if you want a GG sim and i'll give you my referral link :P | 10:09 |
| diplo | but stayed on the £10 package for now, but may upgrade to the £12 for the tethering option | 10:09 |
| Gary | no, use my link! | 10:09 |
| popey | according to Ovano I am on day 18 of 31 and used 60.1MB of 250MB | 10:09 |
| diplo | NO, use my link! | 10:09 |
| diplo | :D | 10:09 |
| * popey ordered a sim | 10:09 | |
| mungbean | noooo | 10:09 |
| Gary | noooo | 10:09 |
| * brobostigon has three's no fup unlimited data, woop :) | 10:09 | |
| mungbean | http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/oimon | 10:10 |
| Gary | popey: if you use someones link, they get 500 points and you get a free fiver of credit! | 10:10 |
| mungbean | use that and you get £5 credit too | 10:10 |
| popey | too late ☻ | 10:10 |
| mungbean | order another | 10:10 |
| * diplo is sure popey was the one who got me on GiffGaff in the first place | 10:10 | |
| mungbean | freeee credit....freeee credit | 10:10 |
| popey | diplo: i have had one in the past, when it first started | 10:10 |
| DJones | popey: I just use battery indicator for the same thing, according to that, I'm on day 8 and have used 39.4Mb of 500Mb | 10:10 |
| mungbean | gonna be sad when my phone eventually dies as buying new phones outright is £££ | 10:11 |
| popey | going to phone orange now and tell them I'm going to giffgaff | 10:11 |
| popey | see what they say | 10:11 |
| diplo | hmm only used 70mb in the last 2 weeks, normally double/triple that | 10:11 |
| Gary | bye, probably | 10:11 |
| popey | yeah | 10:12 |
| popey | been with them since 1995 | 10:12 |
| mungbean | thats what tmob said | 10:12 |
| DJones | Actually, its not battery indicator, its 3G watchdog | 10:12 |
| popey | how about roaming? | 10:13 |
| Gary | that'd probably cost a lot | 10:13 |
| popey | "If you're thinking of leaving orange, press 2" | 10:14 |
| Gary | http://giffgaff.com/index/international 24p a min | 10:14 |
| Gary | data roaming 45p min | 10:15 |
| diplo | OK next question for the day, I've written a python script in the past using fabric to check remote hosts svn info, a colleague would like that done on the intranet. Anyone succesfully used ssh2 php module or any other suggestions ? | 10:17 |
| popey | haha, sales patter | 10:18 |
| AlanBell | I am thinking of getting a french data sim and just doing voip instead of roaming | 10:18 |
| AlanBell | if I want to talk to anyone, which I probably don't | 10:18 |
| brobostigon | woop, i just looked at the rpi thats acting as a wifi AP here, and 103days uptime, yay. | 10:19 |
| Gary | popey: I *tried* not to sound like a sales droid, or is that comment in reference to orange? | 10:20 |
| popey | yes | 10:21 |
| popey | she's trying to change tarrif | 10:21 |
| popey | gave me the "giffgaff doesn't have their own network" patter | 10:21 |
| Gary | if they match it, it'll be tied in for 18/24 months | 10:21 |
| Gary | it's a molp or whatever on o2 | 10:22 |
| Gary | (so if you get crap o2 signal, it's a bad idea to go giffgaff) | 10:22 |
| popey | so, she said they flat out cant compete with giffgaff, then tried to disparage them | 10:27 |
| popey | "if it goes down you cant phone anyone" | 10:27 |
| mungbean | LOL | 10:28 |
| popey | to which i said "if orange goes down I never phone anyone" | 10:28 |
| mungbean | "are you saying you're better than o2" | 10:28 |
| popey | she said they can give me up to 1.5GB/mo for ~21 quid | 10:28 |
| mungbean | failzors | 10:28 |
| mungbean | tmob didn't even try with my missis | 10:28 |
| mungbean | they said, fair do's | 10:28 |
| mungbean | wont even try to offer u | 10:28 |
| popey | i think it depends how you approach it | 10:28 |
| Gary | I don't use more than 60mb a month as is (over the cell network) | 10:29 |
| mungbean | everything about GG is better IMO | 10:29 |
| MartijnVdS | I'm waiting for the day that data caps go away | 10:29 |
| * AlanBell just ordered a french SIM card | 10:29 | |
| mungbean | their website means i don't have to call people | 10:29 |
| Gary | I've had over 70 quid back from giffgaff via "helping" people on the forums | 10:29 |
| MartijnVdS | I mean.. yay 50mbit 4G. But not even a full minute of full use before you hit the cap | 10:29 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: Le card de MIS? | 10:30 |
| mungbean | Gary: how much do you get paid for each "help"? | 10:30 |
| Gary | most of that was chatting crap in the social channel! | 10:30 |
| AlanBell | one of these http://www.lefrenchmobile.com/en/order-sim-card-for-france.html | 10:30 |
| Gary | mungbean: no idea, but one month I assisted helpfully twice and made 30 quid! | 10:30 |
| mungbean | wow | 10:30 |
| diplo | I can answer a lot of Q's on giffgaff but I never sign in :P | 10:30 |
| mungbean | surely there must be people all over that | 10:30 |
| Gary | no idea how they worked that out! | 10:30 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: do you know this? http://prepaidwithdata.wikia.com/wiki/Prepaid_SIM_with_data | 10:31 |
| diplo | and tbh, I found all my stuff via google | 10:31 |
| Gary | there is a guy on the forums who used to (before he left uni or something) make a very decent living off giffgaff, in the order of thousands of quid a cycle (as it's paid out in a weird cycle, not monthly) | 10:32 |
| AlanBell | MartijnVdS: yeah, it is one of the providers on there | 10:32 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: apparently LeFrenchMobile also has Belgian SIMs.. hmmm | 10:32 |
| diplo | Blimey Gary, maybe I should make more of an effort :D | 10:32 |
| MartijnVdS | Interesting | 10:32 |
| AlanBell | I will get a 500MB data bundle and see how it goes | 10:33 |
| Gary | diplo: the forums can however be a bit overwhelming, too many people trying to answer each question can happen | 10:34 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: I used less than that in a week in the UK | 10:34 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: and I was using google nav *all* the time | 10:34 |
| popey | AlanBell: why a french sim? | 10:34 |
| AlanBell | basically I use data more than calls, but I should be able to use sipdroid to have my phone as an extension on our PBX | 10:34 |
| popey | wont that be roaming over here? | 10:34 |
| AlanBell | I won't be using it here :) | 10:35 |
| popey | ah | 10:35 |
| AlanBell | I will be in france for a week | 10:35 |
| AlanBell | my theory is that voip over 3g is better than roaming on your own SIM | 10:35 |
| AlanBell | popey: is there a SIP or IAX client for the Ubuntu Phone yet/in the works? | 10:36 |
| popey | not that I am aware of | 10:37 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | sflphone compiles on arm I believe. According to some discussions on their mailling list recently. Someone trying to use it on a RPi. | 10:38 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: do you have one of those wifi/mifi things to put it in? | 10:38 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: or are you sticking it in your phone? | 10:38 |
| AlanBell | I will put it in the phone | 10:39 |
| * MartijnVdS has a Huawei E586 | 10:39 | |
| davmor2 | AlanBell: there is a kde telepathy client so there is a possiblity of using sofia-sip as telepathy is on the phone and then maybe through together a qt client based on the kde one maybe? | 10:39 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: It should be integrated, so you can choose to use SIP or "mobile network" for a call | 10:40 |
| AlanBell | I still think a good niche would be to use SIP as the primary dialer | 10:41 |
| mungbean | i work in an office with good wifi and poor mobile | 10:43 |
| mungbean | a lot of london does too | 10:43 |
| MartijnVdS | same for me, though wifi is flaky | 10:43 |
| AlanBell | MartijnVdS: I will put it in one of the phones (probably mine) and then share it over wifi to all the other three phones, tablet and laptop that we will have | 10:44 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: "don't wander off, or you'll lose the call" :) | 10:44 |
| AlanBell | mungbean: yeah, it would mean that the phone would integrate with your PBX as a proper extension, and there would be no roaming, just get a local data SIM | 10:45 |
| MartijnVdS | in the Netherlands, there's a net neutrality law, so providers can't even throttle or block SIP traffic anymore | 10:46 |
| MartijnVdS | (they used to charge more for SIP-capable plans) | 10:46 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 10:50 |
| MartijnVdS | afternoon, bigcalm | 10:51 |
| bigcalm | Anybody fancy helping me route specific traffic via a VPN? | 10:51 |
| bigcalm | I'm confused | 10:51 |
| bigcalm | Hi MartijnVdS | 10:51 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: sure, what do you want to do? | 10:51 |
| bigcalm | I have a VPN set up between a Rackspace firewall and an ADSL router | 10:51 |
| MartijnVdS | what kind of VPN | 10:52 |
| bigcalm | IPsec | 10:52 |
| MartijnVdS | *shudder8 | 10:52 |
| bigcalm | :Z | 10:52 |
| bigcalm | Well, the ADSL router says that the VPN is working. But I don't know how to route traffic though it | 10:52 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: is it tunnel-mode (each end has an extra IP) or transport mode? | 10:53 |
| bigcalm | Well, the ADSL end has an extra IP of 192.168.5.1, but I don't think that there is an extra IP address on the server | 10:53 |
| bigcalm | I will stop starting my sentences with 'Well'. It's making me sound like davmor2 | 10:54 |
| Dave2 | So, what will you replace it with? | 10:54 |
| bigcalm | :D | 10:54 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: in that case.. I don't know :( Not much experience with ipsec | 10:55 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: I tend to use OpenVPN | 10:55 |
| * popey stabs Dave2 | 10:55 | |
| popey | he knew it was coming | 10:56 |
| popey | stoppit Dave2 | 10:56 |
| Dave2 | stoppit and tidyup? | 10:56 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: actually it (deep breath in) Well.............. have a slap for your inaccuracy :P | 10:56 |
| Dave2 | bigcalm: I assume you've got to set up routing rules on your router | 10:56 |
| MartijnVdS | Vell.. | 10:56 |
| Dave2 | if it were a simple Linux box with a dedicated box it'd mainly be a case of "ip r add to <ip> dev <device> via <gateway IP>" | 10:57 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: aww, sorry :P | 10:57 |
| Dave2 | or some variation on that that works, that may be slightly off | 10:57 |
| Dave2 | er, with a dedicated device for the VPN is what I meant to say | 10:57 |
| bigcalm | I see | 10:58 |
| neuro | happy afternoon all | 11:00 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: now sounds like the Herr Flick of the Gestapo from Allo, Allo | 11:00 |
| Gary | davmor2: \o/ | 11:00 |
| Gary | or should that be \o | 11:00 |
| * Gary hides | 11:01 | |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: merry midday to you to! | 11:01 |
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| neuro | merry merry merry! | 11:01 |
| * brobostigon does a minetest compile again, for curiosity, how things have evolved. | 11:03 | |
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| diplo | bigcalm: In my router ( Draytek ) we connect lan to lan over ipsec vpn, we just put the route we are connecting to in the configuration | 11:06 |
| diplo | And then add routes to hosts after | 11:06 |
| bigcalm | diplo: this is a DrayTek Vigor2710 \o/ | 11:08 |
| bigcalm | Can you explain what you mean by putting in the route? | 11:08 |
| neuro | it puts the route in the basket | 11:09 |
| neuro | or it gets the hose again | 11:09 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 11:09 |
| diplo | http://kb.cyberoam.com/default.asp?id=1227 | 11:10 |
| diplo | Like that | 11:10 |
| diplo | Remote network internal IP is the bit you probably require | 11:10 |
| bigcalm | diplo: thank you :) | 11:10 |
| bigcalm | diplo: that page explains how to set up the VPN. We already have that working. I need to know how to route via the VPN | 11:16 |
| diplo | So you have the internal IP at the end of the settings? | 11:17 |
| diplo | TCP/IP Network settings, remote mask remote ip etc | 11:18 |
| diplo | All I do after that is add the route back to my machine at the other end unless it's using the same gateway that the vpn goes out on | 11:18 |
| diplo | We have 4 lines, some servers use different lines, so on each box I'll do route add -network 10.10.2.1/24 gw <gwip> | 11:19 |
| diplo | That's it, works | 11:19 |
| bigcalm | That's the last bit I didn't know about, thank you :) | 11:19 |
| MartijnVdS | once you get it working, please blog about it :) | 11:20 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 11:20 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: the link that diplo pasted works to get the VPN working between sites. I'll try and blog about the extra bits for routing... | 11:21 |
| diplo | Ah, Dave2 mentioned that above bigcalm, so guessed you had tried that | 11:21 |
| diplo | Draytek site has loads of info about it, very helpful | 11:21 |
| bigcalm | I have little networking knowledge, so it's difficult to know what the correct search terms are | 11:22 |
| bigcalm | Asking on IRC is working so far though :) | 11:22 |
| diplo | site:draytek.co.uk ipsec vpn lan to lan I think I probably search googly for | 11:22 |
| diplo | I found their site not that great to find stuff on | 11:23 |
| diplo | But it *does* have a wealth of info if you can find it. | 11:23 |
| mungbean | trying to compile for my massively expensive coprocessor | 11:25 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: Nvidia gpu? | 11:26 |
| mungbean | intel phi | 11:26 |
| mungbean | about £5k worth in each server | 11:26 |
| mungbean | thats a lot of bitcoins | 11:26 |
| Dave2 | diplo: needs moar iprout2 | 11:27 |
| bigcalm | Looks like it might be a static route that I want to configure | 11:27 |
| Dave2 | iproute2 | 11:27 |
| Dave2 | (which I mainly use because I have fancy routing tables and stuff.) | 11:27 |
| Dave2 | (and because the non-iproute2 way of doing things is deprecated) | 11:28 |
| diplo | bigcalm: What OS ? | 11:28 |
| bigcalm | diplo: linux. But also on little black box called an X4 | 11:29 |
| diplo | meant distro really, as different ways of adding static routes on different distros | 11:30 |
| diplo | so CentOS it's route-eth<#> | 11:30 |
| diplo | in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ I think from memory | 11:30 |
| diplo | Not sure if I've ever had to add a static route on ubuntu yet :) | 11:30 |
| bigcalm | On the server end it's an ubuntu install. On the ADSL end, it's Debian | 11:31 |
| bigcalm | On the X4, it's whatever iDigi make | 11:31 |
| diplo | If the servers are using the same gateways as the vpn you shouldn't need to add the routes though | 11:32 |
| bigcalm | Okay | 11:32 |
| bigcalm | "...each box I'll do route add -network 10.10.2.1/24 gw <gwip>" | 11:33 |
| * Dave2 winces at non-iproute2 again :( | 11:33 | |
| bigcalm | gwip being the IP address provided by the VPN? | 11:33 |
| MartijnVdS | ip route add! | 11:33 |
| MartijnVdS | not "route add" | 11:33 |
| bigcalm | Or the LAN IP of the router? 192.168.1.1 I think | 11:34 |
| bigcalm | Oh balls. I don't have root on the debian machine. Don't think I can add routes | 11:35 |
| bigcalm | Networking is doing my head in :( | 11:37 |
| Dave2 | If you don't have root you're probably not going to get very far | 11:38 |
| bigcalm | Oh, I have SSH access to the X4 device. And I can set static routes via its web interface | 11:39 |
| bigcalm | Hopefully I can do my testing from there | 11:39 |
| bigcalm | Oh, it's a weird shell | 11:41 |
| bigcalm | Very limited | 11:41 |
| * bigcalm sends a request to boss to have root access to his home server | 11:42 | |
| bigcalm | When adding a static route, what is Metric for? | 11:46 |
| diplo | never used it myself but from a quick look it looks like priority of traffic | 12:04 |
| diplo | The simplest example of a metric is the weight value. Many different routers can use static routes and static routes can be assigned a weight. Higher weight means higher cost. This allows the administrator to create several routes to a destination and then set them up so that one will be preferred over the others | 12:05 |
| diplo | Probably more needed in high availability / bandwith heavy stuff I guess | 12:05 |
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| dogmatic69 | found a small bug 1202662 | 12:50 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1202662 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "--remove option text is wrong" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202662 | 12:50 |
| brobostigon | !info minetest | 12:52 |
| lubotu3 | minetest (source: minetest): InfiniMiner/Minecraft-inspired open game world. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.3.1+dfsg-4 (quantal), package size 797 kB, installed size 1959 kB | 12:52 |
| brobostigon | !info minetest unstable | 12:52 |
| lubotu3 | minetest (source: minetest): Multiplayer infinite-world block sandbox. In component main, is extra. Version 0.4.7+repack-2 (unstable), package size 1752 kB, installed size 4036 kB | 12:52 |
| dogmatic69 | anyone know how I can get this working? http://bin.cakedc.com/view/802584391 | 13:05 |
| dogmatic69 | there are some redirects and it complains about the certificate | 13:05 |
| dogmatic69 | I tried the '--no-check-certificate' option but it just complains then: 'E: Command line option --no-check-certificate is not understood' | 13:06 |
| diplo | dogmatic69: cakedc requires login | 13:06 |
| dogmatic69 | diplo: wrong pate bin, one sec | 13:07 |
| dogmatic69 | http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1504967342 | 13:07 |
| diplo | Don't work with Cake, but can take a look.. think bigcalm works with Symphony that maybe closer | 13:07 |
| dogmatic69 | its nothing to do with cake | 13:07 |
| dogmatic69 | just using the bin :D | 13:08 |
| diplo | Ah, just saw the url :D | 13:08 |
| dogmatic69 | trying to install java7 | 13:08 |
| bigcalm | diplo: I have to manage 2 CakePHP 1.1 apps and several Symfony 1-2 apps. But I'd rather keep away from CakePHP ;) | 13:08 |
| diplo | :P | 13:08 |
| dogmatic69 | bigcalm: well 1.1 was about 25 years ago :P | 13:09 |
| dogmatic69 | I would not touch it tbh | 13:09 |
| dogmatic69 | 2.4 is cool though | 13:09 |
| MartijnVdS | ♫ it was 20 years ago today? | 13:09 |
| bigcalm | dogmatic69: budget and time... | 13:09 |
| dogmatic69 | ye | 13:09 |
| dogmatic69 | I cant find anything on google for this problem, nothing about the option to ignore either | 13:10 |
| diplo | Take it you're trying to use this guys ppa to install ? | 13:10 |
| dogmatic69 | ye | 13:10 |
| dogmatic69 | ppa:webupd8team/java | 13:10 |
| diplo | JJust wget'd that file without any options. | 13:11 |
| diplo | Worth looking at what the script is parsing I guess | 13:11 |
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| dogmatic69 | Why does the provided workaround not work? | 13:12 |
| dogmatic69 | surely that is a bug? | 13:12 |
| bigcalm | My goodness I get though a lot of chewing gum. I wonder if it's healthy... | 13:13 |
| diplo | Looks like it grabs a preinst script dogmatic69, not putting it on this machine so haven't looked yet | 13:18 |
| diplo | Can you open edit what it installed and change it ? | 13:18 |
| dogmatic69 | If you could give me the details | 13:18 |
| diplo | Or just grab manually from oracle.com and just run update-alternatives ( Close to that command ) | 13:18 |
| diplo | Just looking at your add-apt it's looking for oneric, but you're using precise ? | 13:21 |
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| dogmatic69 | diplo: I downloaded the tar.gz file its complaining about... | 13:22 |
| dogmatic69 | not sure what to do really | 13:22 |
| diplo | A note (hopefully temporary) about the Eugene San PPA for those who are attempting to use it and are having issues: As of the time of this entry, the eugenesan/java PPA is broken. If you have attempted to use it, you may do the following to remove it and use webupd8.org's PPA method (above) instead | 13:23 |
| diplo | From here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java | 13:23 |
| diplo | Tells you how to install on that page manually | 13:23 |
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| dogmatic69 | diplo: when I try purge it does the same redirect error :/ | 13:36 |
| dogmatic69 | will just use the rm method listed there... | 13:36 |
| dogmatic69 | ah, now working again :) | 13:37 |
| christel | /13 | 13:38 |
| christel | er | 13:38 |
| MartijnVdS | \o christel | 13:38 |
| christel | hello loveliness <3 | 13:39 |
| bigcalm | Hey christel :) | 13:41 |
| brobostigon | yay, minetest server updated and running, woop. | 13:42 |
| bigcalm | Minecraft? | 13:45 |
| brobostigon | no. | 13:45 |
| bigcalm | Aww | 13:46 |
| brobostigon | for starters, it is c++ insted of java. and it is OSS, unlike minecraft. | 13:46 |
| bigcalm | :) | 13:46 |
| popey | and not as good ☻ | 13:47 |
| brobostigon | works pretty well here. | 13:48 |
| popey | it may well work well. it's still not as good | 13:48 |
| bigcalm | :D | 13:48 |
| davmor2 | christel: hello long time no see :) | 13:49 |
| brobostigon | ohwll, i am happy with it, and it is there if anyone wants to try it, | 13:49 |
| davmor2 | popey: I still don't believe you don't have a minecraft app for the phone I'd of thought a core app if ever there was one ;) | 13:53 |
| shauno | last I looked mc-mobile was terribad :/ | 13:54 |
| brobostigon | also minecraft pe, can only conenct to its own server, or local network servers, thats it. | 13:55 |
| brobostigon | pretty bad. | 13:55 |
| shauno | that's quite a leap from last I tried it, actually. there was no multiplayer at all | 13:56 |
| popey | yeah, my kids play together cross multiple devices | 13:56 |
| davmor2 | brobostigon: however fairly secure for novice users who don't want to be on the pervert/stalker server ;) | 13:57 |
| brobostigon | davmor2: or any normal outside minecraft server at all. | 13:57 |
| popey | well, to be fair development on Minecraft PE started about 3 years after Minecraft | 13:58 |
| popey | so it's a bit behind in a number of ways | 13:58 |
| popey | but catching up | 13:59 |
| brobostigon | ok, fair enough. | 14:00 |
| davmor2 | man it's getting a bit chilly in here since I got the aircon unit out of the cupboard and turned it on ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh | 14:03 |
| bigcalm | Goit | 14:05 |
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| davmor2 | bigcalm: you can buy a unit too you know :P | 14:39 |
| bigcalm | I have an evaporating air con that makes everything damp to the touch. It's humid enough in here | 14:39 |
| nimesh | does anyone know of a good screen and voice recorder for low end laptops with low cpu usage | 14:40 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: I have aircon/dehumidifer/fan only | 14:40 |
| popey | i have one of those wheel-about air con things with the hose you put out the window | 14:41 |
| popey | but it's out in the garage, and it's hot out there | 14:41 |
| popey | so can't be bothered to get it | 14:42 |
| davmor2 | popey: that's what I have I couldn't cope with the heat and humidity levels today | 14:42 |
| davmor2 | popey, bigcalm: took the wife to the hospital to see her Mom it was 42 in the car I was dripping wet by the time I got back to the flat | 14:43 |
| popey | yowzer | 14:44 |
| davmor2 | best of it is it's such a short journey that the aircon had only just started to lower the temperature sensibly by the time I got out of the car :( | 14:45 |
| bigcalm | Eugh | 14:45 |
| nimesh | does anyone know of a good screen and voice recorder for low end laptops with low cpu usage | 14:45 |
| bigcalm | I start feeling good and cold air coming from the vents after about 7 mins I think | 14:45 |
| bigcalm | nimesh: employ a street urchin to read the screen for you? | 14:46 |
| Dave2 | I like being able to go "ha ha" at people who work from home | 14:47 |
| * Dave2 sits in air conditioned office. | 14:47 | |
| nimesh | is there anyone here reasonable to as a question | 14:47 |
| * Dave2 will cycle to air conditioned gym | 14:47 | |
| nimesh | is there anyone here reasonable to as a answer | 14:47 |
| nimesh | on linux ubuntu | 14:47 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: it was blowing cold air it just took the 15 minutes to get it from 42 to 36 | 14:47 |
| davmor2 | nimesh: people will answer if they can | 14:47 |
| bigcalm | I hope I don't melt at badminton tonight | 14:48 |
| bigcalm | Looking forward to the guys laughing at my racket | 14:48 |
| davmor2 | nimesh: the 2 main ones are recordmtdesktop and kazaam what they are like mem and cpu usage wise I have no idea. | 14:49 |
| nimesh | ok thanz for that | 14:49 |
| mungbean | if i enlarge a 1 page PDF by 60% and print, i only get the first page, rather than 4 pages which i could selloptape toghether - any ideas? | 15:19 |
| mungbean | the first page gets enalrged but obviously cropped | 15:19 |
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| nimesh_ | hi | 15:32 |
| nimesh_ | i need urgent help after installed ubuntu my laptop fan has stopped | 15:33 |
| nimesh_ | i need urgent help after installed ubuntu my laptop fan has stopped | 15:34 |
| AlanBell | nimesh_: normally that all just works, but you could try sudo pwmconfig | 15:41 |
| AlanBell | which is a big heap of questions that builds a profile and sets up power management relating to sensors | 15:42 |
| AlanBell | http://tuxtweaks.com/2008/08/how-to-control-fan-speeds-in-ubuntu/ | 15:42 |
| AlanBell | but normally that is for slowing down constantly on noisy fans | 15:42 |
| czajkowski | popey: you haz mail :) | 15:44 |
| * davmor2 intercepts czajkowski mail deletes all the important words and just leaves the "the, and,a's" in | 15:45 | |
| czajkowski | bah | 15:46 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: hello how's you? | 15:47 |
| czajkowski | not bad now sunshine :) | 15:47 |
| czajkowski | hows you my pretty davmor2 | 15:47 |
| * davmor2 pictures that end of that line being "and your little dog tooo" | 15:48 | |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: nice an cool I turned the aircon on | 15:48 |
| czajkowski | office here at home is in the shade all day :) | 15:48 |
| czajkowski | have windows open and nice breee | 15:48 |
| czajkowski | *breeze | 15:48 |
| nimesh_ | sudo pwmconfig does not work | 15:49 |
| * neuro does the unhappy dance | 15:54 | |
| neuro | looks like my airport extreme has died on its arse :( | 15:54 |
| neuro | time for a wee trip to the apple store :( | 15:55 |
| shauno | nice excuse to upgrace to ac. shame the new ones look stupid though | 15:57 |
| neuro | yeah, they look like someone's sellotaped half a dozen apple TVs together and painted it white | 16:02 |
| neuro | "APPEL TV TOWERZ LOL ZOMG" | 16:02 |
| neuro | i really wish the new airport express had GigE though | 16:03 |
| bigcalm | I see this a lot when failing to type correctly. Is there a way to reset a counter or something? Received disconnect from #.#.#.#: 2: Too many authentication failures for iain | 16:05 |
| shauno | yeah, that's quite silly. I can't believe they're selling brand new APs that are slower than my internet | 16:05 |
| neuro | i can't believe they're selling brand new APs where the wired speed is slower than the wireless speed | 16:06 |
| neuro | my current extreme is nearly 4.5 yrs old | 16:06 |
| neuro | i guess it was due | 16:06 |
| * Laney waits for offlineimap to die syncing 3159 deletions | 16:15 | |
| MartijnVdS | yay | 16:28 |
| * MartijnVdS has a proper VLAN trunk running through his house 8-) | 16:28 | |
| neuro | oh dear, ubuntu.com is being all cryptic again | 16:28 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: will know what it's about | 16:29 |
| popey | hehe | 16:44 |
| * bigcalm looks and ponders | 16:45 | |
| Laney | looks like a train track to me | 16:47 |
| bigcalm | Ubuntu trains? | 16:48 |
| Laney | on the railroad to success | 16:52 |
| popey | Choo choo! | 16:52 |
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| ahayzen | popey, bug 1202730 certainly looks interesting lol ;) | 17:03 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1202730 in Ubuntu Music App "Music plays too fast on device" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202730 | 17:03 |
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| davmor2 | I love that popey thinks he is a train from time to time :) | 17:14 |
| MartijnVdS | davmor2: at least he's not an airplane | 17:16 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: haha | 17:18 |
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| MartijnVdS | Deciding to blog tech stuff was a good idea. It forces me to think about my projects in a more structured way | 17:42 |
| MartijnVdS | (home/hobby projects) | 17:42 |
| penguin42 | anything fun? | 18:03 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: well I did the WPA-Enterprise post last week | 18:03 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: currently writing about a "tap" OpenVPN bridged with a vlan on each side, so I can pretend it's one big ethernet :) | 18:04 |
| MartijnVdS | except in better words and proper sentences ;) | 18:04 |
| penguin42 | nod | 18:04 |
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