[06:44] <MooDoo_> hello all
[07:11] <diplo> Morning
[07:11] <dwatkins> allo allo
[08:32] <mungbean> !ping
[08:33] <Gary> !chickens
[08:35] <mungbean> firefox kills my pc so badly i've taken to bookmarking all tabs and shutting it down every couple of days
[08:37] <MooDoo> any advance on chickens?
[08:37] <SuperMatt> I still can't comprehend why some people keep so many tabs open
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: marinate in a soy sauce, place on grill?
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: http://allrecipes.com/recipe/soy-and-garlic-marinated-chicken/
[08:37] <SuperMatt> I have tabs for "ongoing" stuff, like facebook, twitter, etc, and then normal browsing gets closed down all the time
[08:37] <popey> Morning all
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: I work the same way
[08:38] <SuperMatt> morning Alan
[08:38] <andrewebdev> MooDoo, I use many critical webapps for my work, and I always have those tabs pinned in Chrome
[08:38] <MartijnVdS> When I'm on a "project" I can get to 20 tabs or so.. but then I start closing them
[08:38] <popey> I have a chromium user for each "personality" I have ☻
[08:38] <popey> home, work, uupc, and various odd twitter accounts
[08:38] <popey> I only have home open in the evening, with the work one open all day
[08:38] <SuperMatt> I still can't decide which browser to use
[08:38] <SuperMatt> which one is winning in the firefox/chromium debate right now?
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: yes.
[08:39] <MooDoo> chrome will do me, although I heard chromium is going to be default in the next ubuntu release?
[08:39] <popey> with home and work only open I have  77 tabs open
[08:39] <andrewebdev> Personal preferance wins that debate :)
[08:39] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:39] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon
[08:39] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:39] <SuperMatt> sure, btu I'm talking about which one is going to be bundled by default with 13.10
[08:39] <andrewebdev> ha
[08:39] <andrewebdev> ah*
[08:40] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: chromium isn't it
[08:40] <MooDoo> ?
[08:40] <SuperMatt> I don't know
[08:40] <popey> a discussion was started on that
[08:40] <SuperMatt> but it hasn't been finished?
[08:41] <popey> i dunno if the switch has been made
[08:41] <MooDoo> do what MS did, don't install any browser, let the user install the one they want to use :D
[08:41] <popey> given chromium is still in universe, unlikely
[08:42] <mungbean> SuperMatt: researching a topic
[08:42] <mungbean> lots of resources and wiki pages
[08:42] <mungbean> all important to keep open
[08:42] <mungbean> until finished the work
[08:42] <brobostigon> also, chromium in my experience has always not really been kept upto date and recent, which is anther issue.
[08:43] <mungbean> about:memory hangs when i run it on firefox :(
[08:43] <mungbean> every couple of releases they say...new release is awesome and fixes all memory issues!
[08:43] <mungbean> faster than chrome!
[08:45] <mungbean> hmm...must be a memory leak somewhere...closed most apps and running 2.8GB used
[08:45] <popey> the performance is secondary, it's the multi-profile stuff in chromium i like
[08:45] <popey> which firefox doesn't seem to have
[08:47] <brobostigon> yes, an influence from chromium os.
[08:48] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Nelson Mandela Day! :-D
[08:49] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[08:49] <JamesTait> MooDoo, o/
[08:49] <JamesTait> How's life?
[08:49] <MooDoo> JamesTait: tired frustrated hay fever blah blah blah....things are great :D
[08:49] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[08:50] <mungbean> i usually get chronic hayfever but not this year \o/
[08:50] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[08:50] <SuperMatt> on the browser wars, I love Firefox's ethos, I like chrom*'s new webapps thingy, don't like that chromium takes a little while to get updates, and don't like chrome's extreme ties to google
[08:50] <JamesTait> MooDoo, I don't suffer from hay fever, but can relate to the other two. ;)
[08:50] <brobostigon> my hey fever is pretty bad, my nose is sore and feels like a fountain.
[08:50] <SuperMatt> Maybe the answer is in using chromium for webapps and firefox for browsing
[08:50] <MooDoo> JamesTait: :)
[08:51] <mungbean> if you use the ctrl-K to search in firefox, are you sending most of your data to google anyway?
[08:51] <SuperMatt> I was seriously considering last night switching my searches over to yahoo
[08:51] <mungbean> i'd rather DDG than yahooters
[08:52]  * SuperMatt nods
[08:52] <brobostigon> 1info chromium-browser unstable
[08:52] <brobostigon> !info chromium-browser unstable
[08:53] <mungbean> got stuck on 18 for years
[08:53] <brobostigon> not too ancient.
[08:53] <popey> it was for a while brobostigon
[08:53] <brobostigon> popey: definatly. yes.
[08:54] <mungbean> i can't think of anything i search for that wouldn't want to show others
[08:54] <mungbean> but it can be used for profiling
[08:55] <brobostigon> !info chromium-browser experimental
[08:58] <Laney> dear god
[08:58] <Laney> I think this fan might be too big for the small room I'm putting it in
[08:58] <popey> the new chair?
[08:58] <Laney> the blades are the same size as my head
[08:59] <brobostigon> wow.
[08:59] <MooDoo> Laney: make sure you duck then ;)
[08:59] <Laney> not individually - the whole thing :P
[08:59] <popey> oh, fan
[08:59] <Laney> the chair fit in quite nicely
[09:03] <directhex> i'm cold :(
[09:04] <SuperMatt> hmmm
[09:04] <SuperMatt> ddg is much better than I seem to remember
[09:05] <MooDoo> directhex: what?
[09:07]  * popey goes to get a fan
[09:07] <directhex> MooDoo, 2 hours of aircon ponted at my back
[09:07] <MooDoo> directhex: ah!
[09:21] <MooDoo> directhex: /me sites under the air con, it's nice :D
[09:23] <Laney> oh yeahhhhh
[09:23] <Laney> this beast is pretty powerful
[09:25] <popey> i just got a face full of dust from mine
[09:27] <Laney> need to move it further away
[09:28] <Laney> '1' next to my shoulder is a bit much
[09:28] <popey> mine is 3, 3 feet away, rotating. might switch off rotate and just have it blast me in the face constantly
[09:39] <czajkowski> Laney: pic?
[09:44]  * Laney stabs U1
[09:44] <Laney> had to manually rotate it
[09:44] <Laney> czajkowski: http://ubuntuone.com/04P1ZR9uIssRvpd1KWT7Tn
[09:44] <Laney> not that a picture of a fan is very interesting ...
[09:45] <mungbean> do u1 provide support if you are customer of the free solution?
[09:46] <DJones> There is the #ubuntuone channel that will probably give some support to some issues
[09:46] <mungbean> i raised an email ticket about an issue
[09:46] <mungbean> few weeks ago
[09:50] <diplo> Hi guys, got a reseller account with a web host, trying to scp some files from one user to another on the same box but cgetting ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host so I guess they have a sshd setting to disallow it, any other thoughts on copying a dir of images from one user to another to save me downloading/uploading a few hundred meg of images
[09:50] <MooDoo> diplo: who's the host?
[09:50] <diplo> Compila.com
[09:50] <MooDoo> diplo: ah ok
[09:51] <diplo> Fairly shite, could probably ask them to do something but by the time they look at my ticket I could do it myself, tried su but thats denied as well. Think I'm out of options :)
[09:52]  * diplo can't wait till I order my dedicated server and run it myself!
[09:52] <czajkowski> if folks are running saucy and a a dropbox fan you may run into https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1193522  just a heads up
[09:52] <czajkowski> you will need to use it via the web
[09:53]  * AlanBell has run into that
[09:53] <AlanBell> one reason to ditch the dropbox and switch to sparkleshare
[09:54] <czajkowski> well I use U1 for everything tbh
[09:54] <czajkowski> but I do need dropbox for work so I'll just use the web
[09:54] <AlanBell> I had huge problems with U1 file sync, never worked properly for me
[09:55] <diplo> AlanBell: Do you store many binary files in sparkleshare ?
[09:55] <AlanBell> it is just nautilus that crashes with dropbox at the moment, you can open stuff from libreoffice file-open dialog or whatever
[09:56] <AlanBell> diplo: sure, 6.3G of stuff apparently
[09:57] <diplo> I read ages ago the downside for sparkleshare because it uses git was the replication takes a lot more space because of the binary data ?
[09:57] <AlanBell> actually that is over counting it, probably 3G or so for stuff
[09:57] <dwatkins> you know you've been away from the command line for too long when instead of typing 'apt-get' you type 'rpm'...
[09:57] <AlanBell> the .git directory is 2.8G
[09:58] <DJones> Heh, Either the Huaweu Ascen Y210 is a pretty poor phone, or the Talk Talk network must be pretty poor for them to be giving the phones away for free on a 2 year contract costing only £1.25/month for the 1st 6mths and even then it only goes up to £5/mth and thats with 100 minutes, 250 texts and 100Mb of data
[09:58] <AlanBell> so yes, there is more metadata, but I have a local full history tree, and I don't really care about space that much
[09:59] <AlanBell> DJones: the Huawei Y300 is a rather good phone, dunno about the Y210
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> And, instead of the NSA listening in, you get the Chinese version!
[09:59] <diplo> I may give it a try again ta
[10:00] <DJones> Android 2.3......
[10:01] <DJones> That may explain it
[10:01] <popey> crusty
[10:01] <AlanBell> it will work fine for a lot of people
[10:01] <DJones> I guess for somebody looking for a basic phone it would be ideal though
[10:03] <DJones> I was tempted to have a closer look at it for my wife, she hates her current phone
[10:03] <Gary> it'd work well for a phone for kids I think
[10:04] <DJones> Nah, its only 100 minutes & 250 texts, that'd be used inside the first day
[10:04] <mungbean> i use about 3 minutes per month
[10:04] <mungbean> and 10 texts
[10:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:05] <mungbean> the difference between android 2.3 and later versions is not that great
[10:05] <popey> i installed an app on my android phone to keep track of usage
[10:05] <popey> it's rather good
[10:05] <mungbean> my giffgaff network automatically does that
[10:05] <Gary> ah, yeah it's a contract.  I've got my fosterkid a payg sim from giffgaff and pay a set tenner a month for a goodybag, if he goes over he loses the ability to call till the next cycle
[10:05] <davmor2> popey: watchdog?
[10:05] <popey> Onavo
[10:05] <AlanBell> depending on the kids in question the contract would be fine, but bigger screen is good for games
[10:06] <DJones> IT'd be perfect my parents, they each have a mobile phone, 95% of the time they leave it in a drawer at home, the 5% of the time they take it with them, they only switch it on when they want to send a text/make a call and then turn it off again
[10:06] <mungbean> gary, i'm on the 7.50 giffgaff, pretty good
[10:06] <popey> as you install/upgrade apps it lets you know if they're known "data hogs"
[10:06] <popey> and keeps track of your data usage, you can block apps
[10:06] <popey> it's rather natty
[10:06] <AlanBell> we switched from giffgaff to a £7.50/month contract and free Y300
[10:06] <Gary> mungbean: yeah, I might move to that myself, but Dan would probably want more, so for an extra two pound fifty it makes more sense to do the tenner
[10:07] <popey> how much data do you get with the giffgaff 7.50?
[10:07] <Gary> http://giffgaff.com/goodybags  250mb popey
[10:08] <popey> blimey
[10:08] <DJones> In normal usage, the only data hog I find are app updates so I'#ve set that to only update on wifi, unless I'm driving somewhere I'm normally connected to a wifi network
[10:08] <popey> the 12 quid one is good!
[10:08] <mungbean> yes, although i'm on wifi most of the day
[10:08] <mungbean> so 250mb suits me
[10:08] <mungbean> monthly recurring meeans i could always get a 12 quid one for holiday
[10:09] <diplo> I'm surprised at how much data I use as I'm on wifi all day as well
[10:09] <AlanBell> http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/buy/HUAWEI_Y300_KM072_FCON is the deal my daughter has
[10:09] <mungbean> let me know if you want a GG sim and i'll give you my referral link :P
[10:09] <diplo> but stayed on the £10 package for now, but may upgrade to the £12 for the tethering option
[10:09] <Gary> no, use my link!
[10:09] <popey> according to Ovano I am on day 18 of 31 and used 60.1MB of 250MB
[10:09] <diplo> NO, use my link!
[10:09] <diplo> :D
[10:09]  * popey ordered a sim
[10:09] <mungbean> noooo
[10:09] <Gary> noooo
[10:09]  * brobostigon has three's no fup unlimited data, woop :)
[10:10] <mungbean> http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/oimon
[10:10] <Gary> popey: if you use someones link, they get 500 points and you get a free fiver of credit!
[10:10] <mungbean> use that and you get £5 credit too
[10:10] <popey> too late ☻
[10:10] <mungbean> order another
[10:10]  * diplo is sure popey was the one who got me on GiffGaff in the first place
[10:10] <mungbean> freeee credit....freeee credit
[10:10] <popey> diplo: i have had one in the past, when it first started
[10:10] <DJones> popey: I just use battery indicator for the same thing, according to that, I'm on day 8 and have used 39.4Mb of 500Mb
[10:11] <mungbean> gonna be sad when my phone eventually dies as buying new phones outright is £££
[10:11] <popey> going to phone orange now and tell them I'm going to giffgaff
[10:11] <popey> see what they say
[10:11] <diplo> hmm only used 70mb in the last 2 weeks, normally double/triple that
[10:11] <Gary> bye, probably
[10:12] <popey> yeah
[10:12] <popey> been with them since 1995
[10:12] <mungbean> thats what tmob said
[10:12] <DJones> Actually, its not battery indicator, its 3G watchdog
[10:13] <popey> how about roaming?
[10:13] <Gary> that'd probably cost a lot
[10:14] <popey> "If you're thinking of leaving orange, press 2"
[10:14] <Gary> http://giffgaff.com/index/international  24p a min
[10:15] <Gary> data roaming 45p min
[10:17] <diplo> OK next question for the day, I've written a python script in the past using fabric to check remote hosts svn info, a colleague would like that done on the intranet. Anyone succesfully used ssh2 php module or any other suggestions ?
[10:18] <popey> haha, sales patter
[10:18] <AlanBell> I am thinking of getting a french data sim and just doing voip instead of roaming
[10:18] <AlanBell> if I want to talk to anyone, which I probably don't
[10:19] <brobostigon> woop, i just looked at the rpi thats acting as a wifi AP here, and 103days uptime, yay.
[10:20] <Gary> popey: I *tried* not to sound like a sales droid, or is that comment in reference to orange?
[10:21] <popey> yes
[10:21] <popey> she's trying to change tarrif
[10:21] <popey> gave me the "giffgaff doesn't have their own network" patter
[10:21] <Gary> if they match it, it'll be tied in for 18/24 months
[10:22] <Gary> it's a molp or whatever on o2
[10:22] <Gary> (so if you get crap o2 signal, it's a bad idea to go giffgaff)
[10:27] <popey> so, she said they flat out cant compete with giffgaff, then tried to disparage them
[10:27] <popey> "if it goes down you cant phone anyone"
[10:28] <mungbean> LOL
[10:28] <popey> to which i said "if orange goes down I never phone anyone"
[10:28] <mungbean> "are you saying you're better than o2"
[10:28] <popey> she said they can give me up to 1.5GB/mo for ~21 quid
[10:28] <mungbean> failzors
[10:28] <mungbean> tmob didn't even try with my missis
[10:28] <mungbean> they said, fair do's
[10:28] <mungbean> wont even try to offer u
[10:28] <popey> i think it depends how you approach it
[10:29] <Gary> I don't use more than 60mb a month as is (over the cell network)
[10:29] <mungbean> everything about GG is better IMO
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> I'm waiting for the day that data caps go away
[10:29]  * AlanBell just ordered a french SIM card
[10:29] <mungbean> their website means i don't have to call people
[10:29] <Gary> I've had over 70 quid back from giffgaff via "helping" people on the forums
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> I mean.. yay 50mbit 4G. But not even a full minute of full use before you hit the cap
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Le card de MIS?
[10:30] <mungbean> Gary: how much do you get paid for each "help"?
[10:30] <Gary> most of that was chatting crap in the social channel!
[10:30] <AlanBell> one of these http://www.lefrenchmobile.com/en/order-sim-card-for-france.html
[10:30] <Gary> mungbean: no idea, but one month I assisted helpfully twice and made 30 quid!
[10:30] <mungbean> wow
[10:30] <diplo> I can answer a lot of Q's on giffgaff but I never sign in :P
[10:30] <mungbean> surely there must be people all over that
[10:30] <Gary> no idea how they worked that out!
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: do you know this? http://prepaidwithdata.wikia.com/wiki/Prepaid_SIM_with_data
[10:31] <diplo> and tbh, I found all my stuff via google
[10:32] <Gary> there is a guy on the forums who used to (before he left uni or something) make a very decent living off giffgaff, in the order of thousands of quid a cycle (as it's paid out in a weird cycle, not monthly)
[10:32] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: yeah, it is one of the providers on there
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: apparently LeFrenchMobile also has Belgian SIMs.. hmmm
[10:32] <diplo> Blimey Gary, maybe I should make more of an effort :D
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> Interesting
[10:33] <AlanBell> I will get a 500MB data bundle and see how it goes
[10:34] <Gary> diplo: the forums can however be a bit overwhelming, too many people trying to answer each question can happen
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I used less than that in a week in the UK
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: and I was using google nav *all* the time
[10:34] <popey> AlanBell: why a french sim?
[10:34] <AlanBell> basically I use data more than calls, but I should be able to use sipdroid to have my phone as an extension on our PBX
[10:34] <popey> wont that be roaming over here?
[10:35] <AlanBell> I won't be using it here :)
[10:35] <popey> ah
[10:35] <AlanBell> I will be in france for a week
[10:35] <AlanBell> my theory is that voip over 3g is better than roaming on your own SIM
[10:36] <AlanBell> popey: is there a SIP or IAX client for the Ubuntu Phone yet/in the works?
[10:37] <popey> not that I am aware of
[10:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> sflphone compiles on arm I believe. According to some discussions on their mailling list recently. Someone trying to use it on a RPi.
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: do you have one of those wifi/mifi things to put it in?
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: or are you sticking it in your phone?
[10:39] <AlanBell> I will put it in the phone
[10:39]  * MartijnVdS has a Huawei E586
[10:39] <davmor2> AlanBell: there is a kde telepathy client so there is a possiblity of using sofia-sip as telepathy is on the phone and then maybe through together a qt client based on the kde one maybe?
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: It should be integrated, so you can choose to use SIP or "mobile network" for a call
[10:41] <AlanBell> I still think a good niche would be to use SIP as the primary dialer
[10:43] <mungbean> i work in an office with good wifi and poor mobile
[10:43] <mungbean> a lot of london does too
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> same for me, though wifi is flaky
[10:44] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: I will put it in one of the phones (probably mine) and then share it over wifi to all the other three phones, tablet and laptop that we will have
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "don't wander off, or you'll lose the call" :)
[10:45] <AlanBell> mungbean: yeah, it would mean that the phone would integrate with your PBX as a proper extension, and there would be no roaming, just get a local data SIM
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> in the Netherlands, there's a net neutrality law, so providers can't even throttle or block SIP traffic anymore
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> (they used to charge more for SIP-capable plans)
[10:50] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> afternoon, bigcalm
[10:51] <bigcalm> Anybody fancy helping me route specific traffic via a VPN?
[10:51] <bigcalm> I'm confused
[10:51] <bigcalm> Hi MartijnVdS
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: sure, what do you want to do?
[10:51] <bigcalm> I have a VPN set up between a Rackspace firewall and an ADSL router
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> what kind of VPN
[10:52] <bigcalm> IPsec
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> *shudder8
[10:52] <bigcalm> :Z
[10:52] <bigcalm> Well, the ADSL router says that the VPN is working. But I don't know how to route traffic though it
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: is it tunnel-mode (each end has an extra IP) or transport mode?
[10:53] <bigcalm> Well, the ADSL end has an extra IP of 192.168.5.1, but I don't think that there is an extra IP address on the server
[10:54] <bigcalm> I will stop starting my sentences with 'Well'. It's making me sound like davmor2
[10:54] <Dave2> So, what will you replace it with?
[10:54] <bigcalm> :D
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: in that case.. I don't know :( Not much experience with ipsec
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: I tend to use OpenVPN
[10:55]  * popey stabs Dave2 
[10:56] <popey> he knew it was coming
[10:56] <popey> stoppit Dave2
[10:56] <Dave2> stoppit and tidyup?
[10:56] <davmor2> bigcalm:  actually it (deep breath in) Well..............  have a slap for your inaccuracy :P
[10:56] <Dave2> bigcalm: I assume you've got to set up routing rules on your router
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> Vell..
[10:57] <Dave2> if it were a simple Linux box with a dedicated box it'd mainly be a case of "ip r add to <ip> dev <device> via <gateway IP>"
[10:57] <bigcalm> davmor2: aww, sorry :P
[10:57] <Dave2> or some variation on that that works, that may be slightly off
[10:57] <Dave2> er, with a dedicated device for the VPN is what I meant to say
[10:58] <bigcalm> I see
[11:00] <neuro> happy afternoon all
[11:00] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: now sounds like the Herr Flick of the Gestapo from Allo, Allo
[11:00] <Gary> davmor2: \o/
[11:00] <Gary> or should that be \o
[11:01]  * Gary hides
[11:01] <MartijnVdS> neuro: merry midday to you to!
[11:01] <neuro> merry merry merry!
[11:03]  * brobostigon does a minetest compile again, for curiosity, how things have evolved.
[11:06] <diplo> bigcalm: In my router ( Draytek ) we connect lan to lan over ipsec vpn, we just put the route we are connecting to in the configuration
[11:06] <diplo> And then add routes to hosts after
[11:08] <bigcalm> diplo: this is a DrayTek Vigor2710 \o/
[11:08] <bigcalm> Can you explain what you mean by putting in the route?
[11:09] <neuro> it puts the route in the basket
[11:09] <neuro> or it gets the hose again
[11:09] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:10] <diplo> http://kb.cyberoam.com/default.asp?id=1227
[11:10] <diplo> Like that
[11:10] <diplo> Remote network internal IP is the bit you probably require
[11:10] <bigcalm> diplo: thank you :)
[11:16] <bigcalm> diplo: that page explains how to set up the VPN. We already have that working. I need to know how to route via the VPN
[11:17] <diplo> So you have the internal IP at the end of the settings?
[11:18] <diplo> TCP/IP Network settings, remote mask remote ip etc
[11:18] <diplo> All I do after that is add the route back to my machine at the other end unless it's using the same gateway that the vpn goes out on
[11:19] <diplo> We have 4 lines, some servers use different lines, so on each box I'll do route add -network 10.10.2.1/24 gw <gwip>
[11:19] <diplo> That's it, works
[11:19] <bigcalm> That's the last bit I didn't know about, thank you :)
[11:20] <MartijnVdS> once you get it working, please blog about it :)
[11:20] <bigcalm> Hehe
[11:21] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: the link that diplo pasted works to get the VPN working between sites. I'll try and blog about the extra bits for routing...
[11:21] <diplo> Ah, Dave2 mentioned that above bigcalm, so guessed you had tried that
[11:21] <diplo> Draytek site has loads of info about it, very helpful
[11:22] <bigcalm> I have little networking knowledge, so it's difficult to know what the correct search terms are
[11:22] <bigcalm> Asking on IRC is working so far though :)
[11:22] <diplo> site:draytek.co.uk ipsec vpn lan to lan I think I probably search googly for
[11:23] <diplo> I found their site not that great to find stuff on
[11:23] <diplo> But it *does* have a wealth of info if you can find it.
[11:25] <mungbean> trying to compile for my massively expensive coprocessor
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: Nvidia gpu?
[11:26] <mungbean> intel phi
[11:26] <mungbean> about £5k worth in each server
[11:26] <mungbean> thats a lot of bitcoins
[11:27] <Dave2> diplo: needs moar iprout2
[11:27] <bigcalm> Looks like it might be a static route that I want to configure
[11:27] <Dave2> iproute2
[11:27] <Dave2> (which I mainly use because I have fancy routing tables and stuff.)
[11:28] <Dave2> (and because the non-iproute2 way of doing things is deprecated)
[11:28] <diplo> bigcalm: What OS ?
[11:29] <bigcalm> diplo: linux. But also on little black box called an X4
[11:30] <diplo> meant distro really, as different ways of adding static routes on different distros
[11:30] <diplo> so CentOS it's route-eth<#>
[11:30] <diplo> in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ I think from memory
[11:30] <diplo> Not sure if I've ever had to add a static route on ubuntu yet :)
[11:31] <bigcalm> On the server end it's an ubuntu install. On the ADSL end, it's Debian
[11:31] <bigcalm> On the X4, it's whatever iDigi make
[11:32] <diplo> If the servers are using the same gateways as the vpn you shouldn't need to add the routes though
[11:32] <bigcalm> Okay
[11:33] <bigcalm> "...each box I'll do route add -network 10.10.2.1/24 gw <gwip>"
[11:33]  * Dave2 winces at non-iproute2 again :(
[11:33] <bigcalm> gwip being the IP address provided by the VPN?
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> ip route add!
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> not "route add"
[11:34] <bigcalm> Or the LAN IP of the router? 192.168.1.1 I think
[11:35] <bigcalm> Oh balls. I don't have root on the debian machine. Don't think I can add routes
[11:37] <bigcalm> Networking is doing my head in :(
[11:38] <Dave2> If you don't have root you're probably not going to get very far
[11:39] <bigcalm> Oh, I have SSH access to the X4 device. And I can set static routes via its web interface
[11:39] <bigcalm> Hopefully I can do my testing from there
[11:41] <bigcalm> Oh, it's a weird shell
[11:41] <bigcalm> Very limited
[11:42]  * bigcalm sends a request to boss to have root access to his home server
[11:46] <bigcalm> When adding a static route, what is Metric for?
[12:04] <diplo> never used it myself but from a quick look it looks like priority of traffic
[12:05] <diplo> The simplest example of a metric is the weight value. Many different routers can use static routes and static routes can be assigned a weight. Higher weight means higher cost. This allows the administrator to create several routes to a destination and then set them up so that one will be preferred over the others
[12:05] <diplo> Probably more needed in high availability / bandwith heavy stuff I guess
[12:50] <dogmatic69> found a small bug 1202662
[12:52] <brobostigon> !info minetest
[12:52] <brobostigon> !info minetest unstable
[13:05] <dogmatic69> anyone know how I can get this working? http://bin.cakedc.com/view/802584391
[13:05] <dogmatic69> there are some redirects and it complains about the certificate
[13:06] <dogmatic69> I tried the '--no-check-certificate' option but it just complains then: 'E: Command line option --no-check-certificate is not understood'
[13:06] <diplo> dogmatic69: cakedc requires login
[13:07] <dogmatic69> diplo: wrong pate bin, one sec
[13:07] <dogmatic69> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1504967342
[13:07] <diplo> Don't work with Cake, but can take a look.. think bigcalm works with Symphony that maybe closer
[13:07] <dogmatic69> its nothing to do with cake
[13:08] <dogmatic69> just using the bin :D
[13:08] <diplo> Ah, just saw the url :D
[13:08] <dogmatic69> trying to install java7
[13:08] <bigcalm> diplo: I have to manage 2 CakePHP 1.1 apps and several Symfony 1-2 apps. But I'd rather keep away from CakePHP ;)
[13:08] <diplo> :P
[13:09] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: well 1.1 was about 25 years ago :P
[13:09] <dogmatic69> I would not touch it tbh
[13:09] <dogmatic69> 2.4 is cool though
[13:09] <MartijnVdS> ♫ it was 20 years ago today?
[13:09] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: budget and time...
[13:09] <dogmatic69> ye
[13:10] <dogmatic69> I cant find anything on google for this problem, nothing about the option to ignore either
[13:10] <diplo> Take it you're trying to use this guys ppa to install ?
[13:10] <dogmatic69> ye
[13:10] <dogmatic69> ppa:webupd8team/java
[13:11] <diplo> JJust wget'd that file without any options.
[13:11] <diplo> Worth looking at what the script is parsing I guess
[13:12] <dogmatic69> Why does the provided workaround not work?
[13:12] <dogmatic69> surely that is a bug?
[13:13] <bigcalm> My goodness I get though a lot of chewing gum. I wonder if it's healthy...
[13:18] <diplo> Looks like it grabs a preinst script dogmatic69, not putting it on this machine so haven't looked yet
[13:18] <diplo> Can you open edit what it installed and change it ?
[13:18] <dogmatic69> If you could give me the details
[13:18] <diplo> Or just grab manually from oracle.com and just run update-alternatives ( Close to that command )
[13:21] <diplo> Just looking at your add-apt it's looking for oneric, but you're using precise ?
[13:22] <dogmatic69> diplo: I downloaded the tar.gz file its complaining about...
[13:22] <dogmatic69> not sure what to do really
[13:23] <diplo> A note (hopefully temporary) about the Eugene San PPA for those who are attempting to use it and are having issues: As of the time of this entry, the eugenesan/java PPA is broken. If you have attempted to use it, you may do the following to remove it and use webupd8.org's PPA method (above) instead
[13:23] <diplo> From here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[13:23] <diplo> Tells you how to install on that page manually
[13:36] <dogmatic69> diplo: when I try purge it does the same redirect error :/
[13:36] <dogmatic69> will just use the rm method listed there...
[13:37] <dogmatic69> ah, now working again :)
[13:38] <christel> /13
[13:38] <christel> er
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> \o christel
[13:39] <christel> hello loveliness <3
[13:41] <bigcalm> Hey christel :)
[13:42] <brobostigon> yay, minetest server updated and running, woop.
[13:45] <bigcalm> Minecraft?
[13:45] <brobostigon> no.
[13:46] <bigcalm> Aww
[13:46] <brobostigon> for starters, it is c++ insted of java. and it is OSS, unlike minecraft.
[13:46] <bigcalm> :)
[13:47] <popey> and not as good ☻
[13:48] <brobostigon> works pretty well here.
[13:48] <popey> it may well work well. it's still not as good
[13:48] <bigcalm> :D
[13:49] <davmor2> christel: hello long time no see :)
[13:49] <brobostigon> ohwll, i am happy with it, and it is there if anyone wants to try it,
[13:53] <davmor2> popey: I still don't believe you don't have a minecraft app for the phone I'd of thought a core app if ever there was one ;)
[13:54] <shauno> last I looked mc-mobile was terribad :/
[13:55] <brobostigon> also minecraft pe, can only conenct to its own server, or local network servers, thats it.
[13:55] <brobostigon> pretty bad.
[13:56] <shauno> that's quite a leap from last I tried it, actually.  there was no multiplayer at all
[13:56] <popey> yeah, my kids play together cross multiple devices
[13:57] <davmor2> brobostigon: however fairly secure for novice users who don't want to be on the pervert/stalker server ;)
[13:57] <brobostigon> davmor2: or any normal outside minecraft server at all.
[13:58] <popey> well, to be fair development on Minecraft PE started about 3 years after Minecraft
[13:58] <popey> so it's a bit behind in a number of ways
[13:59] <popey> but catching up
[14:00] <brobostigon> ok, fair enough.
[14:03] <davmor2> man it's getting a bit chilly in here since I got the aircon unit out of the cupboard and turned it on  ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[14:05] <bigcalm> Goit
[14:39] <davmor2> bigcalm: you can buy a unit too you know :P
[14:39] <bigcalm> I have an evaporating air con that makes everything damp to the touch. It's humid enough in here
[14:40] <nimesh> does anyone know of a good screen and voice recorder for low end laptops with low cpu usage
[14:40] <davmor2> bigcalm: I have aircon/dehumidifer/fan only
[14:41] <popey> i have one of those wheel-about air con things with the hose you put out the window
[14:41] <popey> but it's out in the garage, and it's hot out there
[14:42] <popey> so can't be bothered to get it
[14:42] <davmor2> popey: that's what I have I couldn't cope with the heat and humidity levels today
[14:43] <davmor2> popey, bigcalm: took the wife to the hospital to see her Mom it was 42 in the car I was dripping wet by the time I got back to the flat
[14:44] <popey> yowzer
[14:45] <davmor2> best of it is it's such a short journey that the aircon had only just started to lower the temperature sensibly by the time I got out of the car :(
[14:45] <bigcalm> Eugh
[14:45] <nimesh> does anyone know of a good screen and voice recorder for low end laptops with low cpu usage
[14:45] <bigcalm> I start feeling good and cold air coming from the vents after about 7 mins I think
[14:46] <bigcalm> nimesh: employ a street urchin to read the screen for you?
[14:47] <Dave2> I like being able to go "ha ha" at people who work from home
[14:47]  * Dave2 sits in air conditioned office.
[14:47] <nimesh> is there anyone here reasonable to as a question
[14:47]  * Dave2 will cycle to air conditioned gym
[14:47] <nimesh> is there anyone here reasonable to as a answer
[14:47] <nimesh> on linux ubuntu
[14:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: it was blowing cold air it just took the 15 minutes to get it from 42 to 36
[14:47] <davmor2> nimesh: people will answer if they can
[14:48] <bigcalm> I hope I don't melt at badminton tonight
[14:48] <bigcalm> Looking forward to the guys laughing at my racket
[14:49] <davmor2> nimesh: the 2 main ones are recordmtdesktop and kazaam what they are like mem and cpu usage wise I have no idea.
[14:49] <nimesh> ok thanz for that
[15:19] <mungbean> if i enlarge a 1 page PDF by 60% and print, i only get the first page, rather than 4 pages which i could selloptape toghether - any ideas?
[15:19] <mungbean> the first page gets enalrged but obviously cropped
[15:32] <nimesh_> hi
[15:33] <nimesh_> i need urgent help after installed ubuntu my laptop fan has stopped
[15:34] <nimesh_> i need urgent help after installed ubuntu my laptop fan has stopped
[15:41] <AlanBell> nimesh_: normally that  all just works, but you could try sudo pwmconfig
[15:42] <AlanBell> which is a big heap of questions that builds a profile and sets up power management relating to sensors
[15:42] <AlanBell> http://tuxtweaks.com/2008/08/how-to-control-fan-speeds-in-ubuntu/
[15:42] <AlanBell> but normally that is for slowing down constantly on noisy fans
[15:44] <czajkowski> popey: you haz mail :)
[15:45]  * davmor2 intercepts czajkowski mail deletes all the important words and just leaves the "the, and,a's" in
[15:46] <czajkowski> bah
[15:47] <davmor2> czajkowski: hello how's you?
[15:47] <czajkowski> not bad now sunshine :)
[15:47] <czajkowski> hows you my pretty davmor2
[15:48]  * davmor2 pictures that end of that line being "and your little dog tooo"
[15:48] <davmor2> czajkowski: nice an cool I turned the aircon on
[15:48] <czajkowski> office here at home is in the shade all day :)
[15:48] <czajkowski> have windows open and nice breee
[15:48] <czajkowski> *breeze
[15:49] <nimesh_> sudo pwmconfig does not work
[15:54]  * neuro does the unhappy dance
[15:54] <neuro> looks like my airport extreme has died on its arse :(
[15:55] <neuro> time for a wee trip to the apple store :(
[15:57] <shauno> nice excuse to upgrace to ac.  shame the new ones look stupid though
[16:02] <neuro> yeah, they look like someone's sellotaped half a dozen apple TVs together and painted it white
[16:02] <neuro> "APPEL TV TOWERZ LOL ZOMG"
[16:03] <neuro> i really wish the new airport express had GigE though
[16:05] <bigcalm> I see this a lot when failing to type correctly. Is there a way to reset a counter or something? Received disconnect from #.#.#.#: 2: Too many authentication failures for iain
[16:05] <shauno> yeah, that's quite silly.  I can't believe they're selling brand new APs that are slower than my internet
[16:06] <neuro> i can't believe they're selling brand new APs where the wired speed is slower than the wireless speed
[16:06] <neuro> my current extreme is nearly 4.5 yrs old
[16:06] <neuro> i guess it was due
[16:15]  * Laney waits for offlineimap to die syncing 3159 deletions
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> yay
[16:28]  * MartijnVdS has a proper VLAN trunk running through his house 8-)
[16:28] <neuro> oh dear, ubuntu.com is being all cryptic again
[16:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: will know what it's about
[16:44] <popey> hehe
[16:45]  * bigcalm looks and ponders
[16:47] <Laney> looks like a train track to me
[16:48] <bigcalm> Ubuntu trains?
[16:52] <Laney> on the railroad to success
[16:52] <popey> Choo choo!
[17:03] <ahayzen> popey, bug 1202730 certainly looks interesting lol ;)
[17:14] <davmor2> I love that popey thinks he is a train from time to time :)
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: at least he's not an airplane
[17:18] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: haha
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> Deciding to blog tech stuff was a good idea. It forces me to think about my projects in a more structured way
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> (home/hobby projects)
[18:03] <penguin42> anything fun?
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: well I did the WPA-Enterprise post last week
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: currently writing about a "tap" OpenVPN bridged with a vlan on each side, so I can pretend it's one big ethernet :)
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> except in better words and proper sentences ;)
[18:04] <penguin42> nod