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Kilosmorning peeps06:09
superflymorning Kilos06:15
Kiloshi superfly all good?06:15
Kiloshi Xethron 06:15
superflyyah06:16
Kilosgood06:16
bombermanhi06:37
Kiloshi bomberman 06:37
Kilosyo JoTraGo 07:04
zereftumbleweed: 07:17
Kiloshi Vince-0 zeref 07:17
zerefhi Kilos 07:17
Xethronhi Kilos 07:34
mazalMorning everyone07:54
Kiloshi mazal 07:54
MaazKilos: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell Kilos dankie" 32 seconds ago07:54
Kiloshi psyatw 07:54
mazalMore oom07:54
mazalMaaz: You are so cute07:55
Maazmazal: I already know stuff about You07:55
Kiloskry gou jou kubuntu iso07:55
mazalNo not me !!07:55
mazalSilly bot07:55
psyatwhi Kilos07:55
Kiloshehe07:55
psyatwhi mazal07:55
mazalKilos, I think I will tonight , must add data first07:55
mazalHi psyatw 07:55
mazalThen maybe I get time this weekend to install07:56
Kiloscant you get it at work07:56
mazalI can07:56
Kilosand dont forget all the 12.04 packages07:56
mazalDon't like adding data on work account though , more difficult to use up data here07:56
Kilosai!07:57
mazalOh but wait ! I forgot , with my new ISP topups roll over :-)07:57
mazalGonna get on it now ;-)07:57
Kiloshehe07:57
mazalOom het nou 'n ding begin met die K saam07:59
Kilosek hou daarvan07:59
Kilosnet met unity is desktop voor my, my kde ene moet ek altyd soek08:01
mazalGonna bother you a lot for help with K08:01
Kilosas jy instaleer is dit daar maar ek het iets gedoen nou is dit begrawe08:01
mazalOk , download started08:02
magespawngood day ubuntu-za08:13
Kiloshi magespawn `08:13
mazalMorning magespawn 08:13
mazalOom Kilos , looks like it won't be finished before I go home. But is ok , won't have time tonight anyways08:14
Kiloswow thats a poor intenet you got08:14
mazalYeah at work it's a little 384k. ETA jumps between 5 and 6 hours08:15
magespawni thougt all the lines got upgrade automatically08:16
Kilosif it can run at 350 it will be done before hometime08:16
mazalOnly residential08:16
mazalJust another way Telkom cashes in08:16
mazalCompany lines you still have 384k at entry level and must pay more for faster line08:17
Kiloseish08:17
Kilosskelms08:17
Kilosbut thats a govt institution08:18
mazalIrrelevant08:18
mazalIs still not residential08:18
mazalFor them it's a company account08:18
Kilosai!08:19
mazalADSL data prices is really good , but the Telkom side with the lines is plain daylight robbery. Especially if you look at the price jumps between the lines08:19
magespawni want somebody to explain to me why we pay more for faster speed, is the the excange connection?08:25
Kiloshi tonberry352_ 08:29
magespawnhttp://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/82233-adsl-prices-south-africa-vs-developed-nations.html08:29
tumbleweedzeref: hi08:39
tumbleweedsorry, been ignoring this channel a bit08:39
Kiloshi tumbleweed hows things going by you?08:41
tumbleweednot so bad08:42
zereftumbleweed: I'm trying to upload to my ppa via dput, i get No host ppa found in config.09:16
zerefin the dput file I've put in http://pastebin.com/psGtPAC2.09:17
zerefbut i still get that error.09:17
zerefbtw, i'm on a debian machine.09:18
tumbleweedzeref: install dput-ng09:18
zerefok, now i get running allowed-distribution: check whether a local profile permits uploads to the target distribution09:21
zeref`precise' not in the codename group09:21
tumbleweedzeref: pastebin?09:25
tumbleweedI don't see any codename restriction in /etc/dput.d/profiles/ppa.json09:25
zerefI dont understand.09:27
tumbleweedzeref: oh, I hadn't read your dput configuration properly09:28
tumbleweedthat should have worked with old dput too09:28
tumbleweedbut dput-ng can use the ppa:zerefs/ppa syntax09:29
tumbleweedwhich means that you don't need to put every PPA you use into your .dput.cf09:29
zerefok, so with regards to the precise in the codename group?09:33
tumbleweedzeref: I can't explain that09:35
tumbleweedbut it would help if you pastebinned your changes file, the command line, and output09:35
charlhi all09:37
charlmagespawn: it's hard to draw any conclusions out of that report because you need to look at the overall quality of service09:38
Kiloshi charl 09:38
charlmagespawn: you also need to take into consideration reliability, uptime, protocol shaping, time-of-the-day, etc09:38
charlmagespawn: talking about "advertised" speed is nonsense09:39
charlhi Kilos :)09:39
magespawnhi charl09:39
magespawnstill seems like we are on the high end of the prices09:39
charlfor example, i have a 60mbps connection from ziggo, costs me 50 euro per month, but i have no data limits or shaping and consistent speed all through the day09:40
charland near 100% uptime09:40
charlso even though the speed is disappointing, it's not a bad connection09:40
mazal60mbps , dissapointing :-o , Shees what should we say ?09:42
charlwell with ftth you usually start at around 100mbps and go upwards but we don't have ftth (yet) where i live09:43
charlfor "normal" terms 60mbps is lagging behind i feel09:44
zereftumbleweed: http://pastebin.com/ADq6qgP809:44
magespawnwell that would be about R650.00, i currently pay about R640.00 for 1Mbps no data limits withn the fair usage and port shaping during the day09:44
magespawnthe fastest my exchange can handel is 4mbps09:44
magespawnbut that will almost double the cost09:44
charlmagespawn: "fair use" is not "uncapped", that's complete nonsense marketing09:45
charluncapped means no data limits, period.09:45
charl"fair use" is just a nice term coined to say "we won't entirely cut you off but watch yourself"09:45
tumbleweedzeref: try without that ppa block in your .dput.cf (or just move that file out of the way entirely)09:46
magespawnwell i have not it it yet, but with that speed i have practical limits to how much i can get anyway09:46
charlyeah that's a hidden benefit :)09:46
mazalThere's no such thing as uncapped in SA09:57
charlthey could rather do it like in belgium, give people 300gb or 400gb per month, should be enough for most people anyway10:01
charland that be the end of it10:01
not_foundIt has begun :( Peak temp day before yesterday - 44degC, yesterday 46degC and today it spiked to 55degC...10:17
Kilossend lots not_found 10:17
Kilosso its too much to steal and make a diffs10:17
not_foundif I could export it we could have been rich :p10:20
charlnot_found: where the heck do you live, the desert?10:21
not_foundcharl: yup10:21
not_foundand it is only the beginning of the second week of Ramadan so the guys fasting are having a tough time of it...10:22
Kiloshehe10:47
Kilostoo hot too eat anyway10:48
Kiloscharl, hes in the UAE10:48
not_foundhow about a drink of water... to hot for that? :p10:48
not_foundbut all kidding aside, 55 is silly hot :/10:50
not_foundand then at night it stays about 33degC and humidity at even sillier levels...10:51
not_foundsilly summer10:51
* not_found is looking at https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1 ...10:51
not_foundif only I could convince myself it is worth all that money :/10:52
Kiloswhew 10:58
Kilosnot_found, any reply from the job seeking?10:59
not_foundit is still in the planning phase uncle Kilos... got a man on the inside so once he is convinced I should "officially11:06
not_foundapply I will11:06
Kilosah11:06
not_foundbut at least I have a better CV now (perhaps) so I can send it out to random other jobs...11:07
Kilosgood11:07
charlah ok, i get it11:09
charlyeah that's desert temperatures all right11:09
charlnot my thin - it's 25 degrees here and already too hot for my taste11:09
charl*thing11:10
Kiloslol11:10
not_found:)11:22
tumbleweedzeref: you get anywhere?11:23
magespawnnot_found: i like the look of the 14" but with the system specs i would take it would be $1619.0011:31
magespawnwhich would be about R16000, so pricey to say the least11:32
zereftumbleweed: nope, I'll just upload it via my ubuntu machine11:38
zereftill i can figure it out11:38
tumbleweedthe dput-ng maintainers are very friendly and chatty on IRC11:39
not_foundmagespawn: I hear you... I would like to have 16gb ram and a microSSD + 1tb drive and perhaps a spare battery :/11:44
not_foundto much money :(11:44
Squirmmorning11:49
Squirmhmm11:49
Squirmafternoon11:49
Squirmtime flies when you're on leave :/11:49
Kiloslo Squirm 11:50
not_found+111:50
not_foundbut once you are back at work all the time comes back :/11:50
Squirmnot_found: it is unfortunately true :/11:52
Squirmthough it seems to happen for a longer time than the time you were on leave11:52
not_foundlike it is breeding... bunny rabbit time :(11:55
not_foundhttp://antiprism.eu/11:55
not_foundso there a parite party in SA yet?11:55
not_found*pirate11:56
not_foundnever mind, I see all they have is a Facebook page >.<11:57
Squirmthere is a religion, in Sweden(ofcourse)11:58
SquirmKopatheism(I think it is spelled)11:58
Squirmcopyism11:59
SquirmKopimism11:59
charlwow awesome! https://www.change.org/petitions/eu-parliament-and-eu-commission-stop-mass-surveillance-protect-our-data-and-our-whistleblowers12:08
charlsigned immediately :)12:09
not_foundstill shows 0 supporters for me :p12:09
charlit says Signed12:10
charlwith 37,673 supporters 12,327 NEEDED12:10
charlfor me12:10
charli don't know how this works exactly12:10
charlextremely interesting: http://www.islandsofresilience.eu/12:12
not_foundwhy so long... looks like work :/12:18
not_found:p12:18
charli just scanned through most of it12:18
not_foundMr. v Niekerk, your vote has been counted, we thank you - NSA12:19
charl?12:19
not_found>.>12:20
charlnot_found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...12:21
charli don't know where you come from but in europe we have democracy12:22
not_foundthey have that in the US too (aparently)12:23
not_found*apparently12:23
charlright... :P12:23
charlwell we all see how that's going12:23
not_foundand you are sure that big buddy UK isn't in on some surveillance action?12:24
not_foundI know that France has been exposed to be harvesting info from phone calls , text messages etc....12:24
not_foundjust how far does the rabbit whole go...12:25
not_foundhole12:25
not_foundsheese12:25
charlnot_found: http://pastebin.com/NTJvUZdJ12:25
charlyou start pulling on a thread and the whole thing unravels12:25
charlhttp://www.businessinsider.com/the-guardian-wayne-madsen-nsa-scoop-2013-612:26
not_foundthing is now everyone knows it is happening... what will happen?  Perhaps it just becomes legal now or the new systems are done even more covert...12:27
not_foundanyhow I would love to see all of the petitions flying around actually making something happen... would be refreshing12:28
charlthe pirate party, as controversial as they are, has lead a bunch of things in europe so far12:29
not_foundwell good for them then :)12:29
not_foundmessed up world - http://www.change.org/petitions/release-my-son-justin-carter-being-prosecuted-for-a-facebook-comment12:31
charlscary that12:32
charli'm off, have a good day all12:35
Squirmfinally got my quadcopter working properly12:39
not_foundSquirm: camera and you can use a phone to control it?12:39
Squirmnot_found: got a proper quadcopter, not one of these little au drone things12:40
Squirmand have mounted my keychain camera12:41
Squirmdoesn't take the best of video, but soon I'll have my autopilot and attach a Hero 312:41
not_foundah cool12:41
Squirmnot_found: http://www.youtube.com/MrSquirm12:42
not_found@work so no tubes for me... sorry12:43
Squirmlater then :P12:43
not_foundperhaps :)12:45
mazalBye all , have a nice evening12:54
magespawnafternoon all12:57
magespawnnot_found: reading the backscroll, i know the uk border police can seize your electonic device on entry, and reatind the data indefinately12:58
magespawnthey have to return the device thoug12:59
magespawnh12:59
not_foundand now I read how many agencies are working on algorithms to pre-determine things like people likely to commit a crime etc... Minority Report is upon us...13:04
* not_found is going home now and staring at his Windows PC wondering who is staring back >.<13:04
not_foundbye13:04
Squirmhmm13:42
Squirmnot a bad video13:42
Squirmthough the camera is lacking13:42
Kiloshehe inetpro werk jy darem nou15:16
inetprouh15:16
Kiloshehe15:17
Kiloshuis toe gaan tyd man15:17
theblazehenhi15:19
Kiloshi theblazehen 15:19
inetproKilos: ai, jy's seker reg15:19
Kilosaltyd15:19
Kiloshi mazal 16:25
Kiloswat pla nou16:25
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Kilosmazal, ping16:47
* Squirm yawns16:58
superflyReported an ADSL fault on Tuesday. Telkom came and (seemingly) fixed it today.17:01
Kilosseeminly?17:02
Kiloshehe17:02
Kilosthey actually inna bad way17:02
Kilostheir tracking service aint working either17:03
Kilosif you try go to the home page you get a 404 error17:03
mazalKilos, pong17:10
Kilosha17:10
Kilosif i am right you gotta be careful with boot-repair from another drive hey17:10
mazalAnd the score is 1 - 1 in the final and deciding set17:10
Kilosit will always want to boot from there after running it17:11
mazalKilos, how you mean ?17:11
Kiloshuh?17:11
Kilosok i have tried it with 2 drives installed and if i remove the first drive i cant boot from the second one17:12
mazalOh you mean if I do a grub repair ?17:12
Kilosya the boot-repair tool17:12
mazalThen grub is on the first drive17:12
mazalOne must just be sure where you point it17:12
Kilosi saw you say you want to install boot-repair to the external17:12
mazalYa , but will still point repair to sda1 if needed17:13
Kilosrahter run fsck from the external i think17:13
Kilosok lemme know17:13
mazalAs long as grub goes to sda and you don't remove sda you will be ok17:13
Kilosya but will the external then still be bootable after it17:14
mazalYes , external is sdb17:14
Kilosok17:14
mazalAnd as long as you don't point to it , it will be left alone17:14
mazalSam as booting from cd17:15
Kilosi run boot-repair with nothing else plugged in17:15
trendermorning17:15
Kiloshi trender 17:15
trenderyo17:15
mazalOne must just not confuse your drives and be sure where you point. Same as with an install really17:15
mazalLo trender 17:15
Kilosok17:15
trenderlo mazal17:16
mazalAnything else you can think of for that install Kilos ?17:17
mazalIf I knew how to compile I would add Redo , but don't know compiling17:17
Kilosno if its a repair drive then you dont need much more17:17
Kilosfsck fixes lots17:17
mazalI really can't think of anything else17:17
Kilosdid you get kde?17:18
mazalI hope so17:18
Kilosah its at work17:18
mazalWas still busy when I left17:18
Kilosdid you wget it17:19
mazalWith this new plan though will take a bit longer to get to that plan17:19
Kilosor use windows to download17:19
mazalDownthemall , firefox17:19
Kilosah17:19
mazalI kinda like downthemall , just wish it could schedule17:20
Kiloshehe17:20
mazalIs always my first firefox plugin I add17:20
trendercoff* coff* getright17:36
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Cantidehttp://www.ubuntu.com/17:42
Cantideis it just me17:42
Cantideor will there be an announcement in 4 days?17:42
Cantide'o'17:42
Kiloshi Cantide 17:42
Cantidehello Kilos :)17:42
mazaltrender, that's a Win app17:53
mazalCantide I think it will be Ubuntu phone related again. Pc and phone sharing something 18:32
Cantideyeah, probably18:32
Cantidei am curious :)18:33
mazal" At the moment, the developers are working on developing, strengthening and refining Unity 8, Ubuntu converged component that will unite phones, desktops, tablets and TVs via a modern, polished and user-friendly look & feel. "18:34
mazalAn extract from an Iloveubuntu blog post18:34
mazalThink it has something to do with it , that unite part18:35
Cantidei'm dying to see Unity 8's desktop mode18:36
Cantidebut i believe they're focusing on the mobile versions at the moment18:36
mazalYeah unfortynately18:36
mazalEverything is about mobile and the desktops don't get love18:36
Cantideyeah T-T18:38
Cantidewell, i am quite keen to get my hands on it :)18:38
Cantidemaybe my next phone? :D18:38
mazalMaybe that will be the day I invest in a smartphone18:38
mazalSo far I been old-school with phones18:39
mazalI'm going horizontal18:40
mazalNight everyone18:40
Kilosnight mazal 18:40
Kilossleep tight18:40
mazalDankie , lekker slaap oom18:41
Kilosdankie18:41
Cantidenight mazal 18:41
Cantide...18:41
Cantidei was too slow -.-18:41
Kiloshehe18:41
inetprogood morning18:59
Kilosmorning inetpro 18:59
* inetpro stretches his self19:00
inetprowhat's up in Ubuntu land?19:00
Kilosquiet19:00
inetprodon't like this surfaces word19:01
Kiloshuh?19:01
inetproThe line where // two surfaces meet19:01
Kiloswhat are you talking about19:02
Kiloswhat surfaces are bugging you19:02
inetproKilos: 18/07 19:42:13 <Cantide> http://www.ubuntu.com/19:02
Cantidejust related to touch, i guess19:02
Cantideso phone + tablet perhaps?19:02
inetproai!19:03
Kiloshaha19:03
Kilosthat site tells me it wants to use cookies19:04
Kilosbut i see that page so wassup19:04
Kilosdont it like opera19:04
inetproCantide: looks like Kilos doesn't know about MS Surface19:05
Squirmhow is everyone this eve?19:05
Cantideah, right :p19:05
Cantidehey Squirm :)19:05
Kiloshmm...19:05
inetproSquirm: good and yeah self19:05
* Cantide is very well ty19:05
Kilosgood ty Squirm 19:05
Cantidetomorrow is my last day at FNB '-'v19:05
SquirmCantide: good or bad?19:06
Cantidegood :)19:06
Cantidemoving onto bigger / better things19:06
Squirmnice :)19:06
inetproCantide: sounds interesting19:06
Cantide(in a few weeks / months )19:06
Cantideso i will rest a bit and troll IRC for a few weeks :)19:07
Kilosnot bigger // better19:07
SquirmI think I'm going to be stuck at Treverton next year19:07
Cantidebigger and better i meant19:07
Squirmnot a bad thing, but not where I want to go :P19:07
Cantide:p19:07
Cantidestart working towards where you want to go19:07
SquirmI have been, was hoping it'd happen this year, but alas19:08
inetproCantide: hopefully you will stay in the *nix world19:08
Cantidei sure will :)19:08
Cantidemy brother just built a beast of a machine19:08
Cantideand installed Ubuntu on it19:09
Cantidehe had to recompile the kernel to get his mouse to work19:09
Cantideso if he can do that, i have no excuse :)19:09
inetpronice19:09
Cantidei'm really looking forward to Ubuntu with Unity 819:10
Cantideand Ubuntu Touch..19:10
Cantideso yeah, i'm not going anywhere fast :p19:10
SquirmI'm waiting for Ubuntu Touch19:10
Squirmfew things not 100% with the S319:11
Cantideoh, did you try loading it on there?19:12
* inetpro noticed talk about Ubuntu Edge19:12
Cantidewhat is Ubuntu Edge?19:12
SquirmCantide: not yet19:13
CantideSquirm, but surely they won't really focus on supporting existing devices too much19:13
Squirmoh, their smartphone19:13
Cantidei meant the Nexus was used to test it out19:13
Cantidemean *19:13
Squirmpeople are working on ports19:13
Cantideand now they're preparing it for specific hardware that it will launch on19:14
Cantideyeah, but that's been rather quiet lately, hasn't it?19:14
Squirmhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i930019:15
* Cantide clicks19:17
inetproCantide: Canonical next Smartphone dubbed Ubuntu Edge, 2013 end launch expected http://www.thegeeksclub.com/36233-canonical-smartphone-dubbed-ubuntu-edge-2013-launch-expected/19:18
* Cantide clicks again19:18
Cantideoh, cool :)19:20
CantideSquirm, I see - not really worth trying just yet :/19:21
Squirmyep19:21
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:24
Cantidei'm out, too19:27
Cantidegood night!19:27
inetproeish19:32
* inetpro wanted to give him yet another link19:32
inetproSurface Pro Is Not Restricted To Windows 8, Can Run Other OSes http://www.windows8update.com/2013/02/07/surface-pro-is-not-restricted-to-windows-8-can-run-other-oses/19:32
Squirmboredom20:09
Squirmhmm, I signed up for a google account 29th of July 200720:14
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