[06:09] <Kilos> morning peeps
[06:15] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:15] <Kilos> hi superfly all good?
[06:15] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[06:16] <superfly> yah
[06:16] <Kilos> good
[06:37] <bomberman> hi
[06:37] <Kilos> hi bomberman 
[07:04] <Kilos> yo JoTraGo 
[07:17] <zeref> tumbleweed: 
[07:17] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 zeref 
[07:17] <zeref> hi Kilos 
[07:34] <Xethron> hi Kilos 
[07:54] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:54] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:54] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, mazal on freenode told me "tell Kilos dankie" 32 seconds ago
[07:54] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[07:54] <mazal> More oom
[07:55] <mazal> Maaz: You are so cute
[07:55] <Maaz> mazal: I already know stuff about You
[07:55] <Kilos> kry gou jou kubuntu iso
[07:55] <mazal> No not me !!
[07:55] <mazal> Silly bot
[07:55] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[07:55] <Kilos> hehe
[07:55] <psyatw> hi mazal
[07:55] <mazal> Kilos, I think I will tonight , must add data first
[07:55] <mazal> Hi psyatw 
[07:56] <mazal> Then maybe I get time this weekend to install
[07:56] <Kilos> cant you get it at work
[07:56] <mazal> I can
[07:56] <Kilos> and dont forget all the 12.04 packages
[07:56] <mazal> Don't like adding data on work account though , more difficult to use up data here
[07:57] <Kilos> ai!
[07:57] <mazal> Oh but wait ! I forgot , with my new ISP topups roll over :-)
[07:57] <mazal> Gonna get on it now ;-)
[07:57] <Kilos> hehe
[07:59] <mazal> Oom het nou 'n ding begin met die K saam
[07:59] <Kilos> ek hou daarvan
[08:01] <Kilos> net met unity is desktop voor my, my kde ene moet ek altyd soek
[08:01] <mazal> Gonna bother you a lot for help with K
[08:01] <Kilos> as jy instaleer is dit daar maar ek het iets gedoen nou is dit begrawe
[08:02] <mazal> Ok , download started
[08:13] <magespawn> good day ubuntu-za
[08:13] <Kilos> hi magespawn `
[08:13] <mazal> Morning magespawn 
[08:14] <mazal> Oom Kilos , looks like it won't be finished before I go home. But is ok , won't have time tonight anyways
[08:14] <Kilos> wow thats a poor intenet you got
[08:15] <mazal> Yeah at work it's a little 384k. ETA jumps between 5 and 6 hours
[08:16] <magespawn> i thougt all the lines got upgrade automatically
[08:16] <Kilos> if it can run at 350 it will be done before hometime
[08:16] <mazal> Only residential
[08:16] <mazal> Just another way Telkom cashes in
[08:17] <mazal> Company lines you still have 384k at entry level and must pay more for faster line
[08:17] <Kilos> eish
[08:17] <Kilos> skelms
[08:18] <Kilos> but thats a govt institution
[08:18] <mazal> Irrelevant
[08:18] <mazal> Is still not residential
[08:18] <mazal> For them it's a company account
[08:19] <Kilos> ai!
[08:19] <mazal> ADSL data prices is really good , but the Telkom side with the lines is plain daylight robbery. Especially if you look at the price jumps between the lines
[08:25] <magespawn> i want somebody to explain to me why we pay more for faster speed, is the the excange connection?
[08:29] <Kilos> hi tonberry352_ 
[08:29] <magespawn> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/82233-adsl-prices-south-africa-vs-developed-nations.html
[08:39] <tumbleweed> zeref: hi
[08:39] <tumbleweed> sorry, been ignoring this channel a bit
[08:41] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed hows things going by you?
[08:42] <tumbleweed> not so bad
[09:16] <zeref> tumbleweed: I'm trying to upload to my ppa via dput, i get No host ppa found in config.
[09:17] <zeref> in the dput file I've put in http://pastebin.com/psGtPAC2.
[09:17] <zeref> but i still get that error.
[09:18] <zeref> btw, i'm on a debian machine.
[09:18] <tumbleweed> zeref: install dput-ng
[09:21] <zeref> ok, now i get running allowed-distribution: check whether a local profile permits uploads to the target distribution
[09:21] <zeref> `precise' not in the codename group
[09:25] <tumbleweed> zeref: pastebin?
[09:25] <tumbleweed> I don't see any codename restriction in /etc/dput.d/profiles/ppa.json
[09:27] <zeref> I dont understand.
[09:28] <tumbleweed> zeref: oh, I hadn't read your dput configuration properly
[09:28] <tumbleweed> that should have worked with old dput too
[09:29] <tumbleweed> but dput-ng can use the ppa:zerefs/ppa syntax
[09:29] <tumbleweed> which means that you don't need to put every PPA you use into your .dput.cf
[09:33] <zeref> ok, so with regards to the precise in the codename group?
[09:35] <tumbleweed> zeref: I can't explain that
[09:35] <tumbleweed> but it would help if you pastebinned your changes file, the command line, and output
[09:37] <charl> hi all
[09:38] <charl> magespawn: it's hard to draw any conclusions out of that report because you need to look at the overall quality of service
[09:38] <Kilos> hi charl 
[09:38] <charl> magespawn: you also need to take into consideration reliability, uptime, protocol shaping, time-of-the-day, etc
[09:39] <charl> magespawn: talking about "advertised" speed is nonsense
[09:39] <charl> hi Kilos :)
[09:39] <magespawn> hi charl
[09:39] <magespawn> still seems like we are on the high end of the prices
[09:40] <charl> for example, i have a 60mbps connection from ziggo, costs me 50 euro per month, but i have no data limits or shaping and consistent speed all through the day
[09:40] <charl> and near 100% uptime
[09:40] <charl> so even though the speed is disappointing, it's not a bad connection
[09:42] <mazal> 60mbps , dissapointing :-o , Shees what should we say ?
[09:43] <charl> well with ftth you usually start at around 100mbps and go upwards but we don't have ftth (yet) where i live
[09:44] <charl> for "normal" terms 60mbps is lagging behind i feel
[09:44] <zeref> tumbleweed: http://pastebin.com/ADq6qgP8
[09:44] <magespawn> well that would be about R650.00, i currently pay about R640.00 for 1Mbps no data limits withn the fair usage and port shaping during the day
[09:44] <magespawn> the fastest my exchange can handel is 4mbps
[09:44] <magespawn> but that will almost double the cost
[09:45] <charl> magespawn: "fair use" is not "uncapped", that's complete nonsense marketing
[09:45] <charl> uncapped means no data limits, period.
[09:45] <charl> "fair use" is just a nice term coined to say "we won't entirely cut you off but watch yourself"
[09:46] <tumbleweed> zeref: try without that ppa block in your .dput.cf (or just move that file out of the way entirely)
[09:46] <magespawn> well i have not it it yet, but with that speed i have practical limits to how much i can get anyway
[09:46] <charl> yeah that's a hidden benefit :)
[09:57] <mazal> There's no such thing as uncapped in SA
[10:01] <charl> they could rather do it like in belgium, give people 300gb or 400gb per month, should be enough for most people anyway
[10:01] <charl> and that be the end of it
[10:17] <not_found> It has begun :( Peak temp day before yesterday - 44degC, yesterday 46degC and today it spiked to 55degC...
[10:17] <Kilos> send lots not_found 
[10:17] <Kilos> so its too much to steal and make a diffs
[10:20] <not_found> if I could export it we could have been rich :p
[10:21] <charl> not_found: where the heck do you live, the desert?
[10:21] <not_found> charl: yup
[10:22] <not_found> and it is only the beginning of the second week of Ramadan so the guys fasting are having a tough time of it...
[10:47] <Kilos> hehe
[10:48] <Kilos> too hot too eat anyway
[10:48] <Kilos> charl, hes in the UAE
[10:48] <not_found> how about a drink of water... to hot for that? :p
[10:50] <not_found> but all kidding aside, 55 is silly hot :/
[10:51] <not_found> and then at night it stays about 33degC and humidity at even sillier levels...
[10:51] <not_found> silly summer
[10:51]  * not_found is looking at https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/galu1 ...
[10:52] <not_found> if only I could convince myself it is worth all that money :/
[10:58] <Kilos> whew 
[10:59] <Kilos> not_found, any reply from the job seeking?
[11:06] <not_found> it is still in the planning phase uncle Kilos... got a man on the inside so once he is convinced I should "officially
[11:06] <not_found> apply I will
[11:06] <Kilos> ah
[11:07] <not_found> but at least I have a better CV now (perhaps) so I can send it out to random other jobs...
[11:07] <Kilos> good
[11:09] <charl> ah ok, i get it
[11:09] <charl> yeah that's desert temperatures all right
[11:09] <charl> not my thin - it's 25 degrees here and already too hot for my taste
[11:10] <charl> *thing
[11:10] <Kilos> lol
[11:22] <not_found> :)
[11:23] <tumbleweed> zeref: you get anywhere?
[11:31] <magespawn> not_found: i like the look of the 14" but with the system specs i would take it would be $1619.00
[11:32] <magespawn> which would be about R16000, so pricey to say the least
[11:38] <zeref> tumbleweed: nope, I'll just upload it via my ubuntu machine
[11:38] <zeref> till i can figure it out
[11:39] <tumbleweed> the dput-ng maintainers are very friendly and chatty on IRC
[11:44] <not_found> magespawn: I hear you... I would like to have 16gb ram and a microSSD + 1tb drive and perhaps a spare battery :/
[11:44] <not_found> to much money :(
[11:49] <Squirm> morning
[11:49] <Squirm> hmm
[11:49] <Squirm> afternoon
[11:49] <Squirm> time flies when you're on leave :/
[11:50] <Kilos> lo Squirm 
[11:50] <not_found> +1
[11:50] <not_found> but once you are back at work all the time comes back :/
[11:52] <Squirm> not_found: it is unfortunately true :/
[11:52] <Squirm> though it seems to happen for a longer time than the time you were on leave
[11:55] <not_found> like it is breeding... bunny rabbit time :(
[11:55] <not_found> http://antiprism.eu/
[11:55] <not_found> so there a parite party in SA yet?
[11:56] <not_found> *pirate
[11:57] <not_found> never mind, I see all they have is a Facebook page >.<
[11:58] <Squirm> there is a religion, in Sweden(ofcourse)
[11:58] <Squirm> Kopatheism(I think it is spelled)
[11:59] <Squirm> copyism
[11:59] <Squirm> Kopimism
[12:08] <charl> wow awesome! https://www.change.org/petitions/eu-parliament-and-eu-commission-stop-mass-surveillance-protect-our-data-and-our-whistleblowers
[12:09] <charl> signed immediately :)
[12:09] <not_found> still shows 0 supporters for me :p
[12:10] <charl> it says Signed
[12:10] <charl> with 37,673 supporters 12,327 NEEDED
[12:10] <charl> for me
[12:10] <charl> i don't know how this works exactly
[12:12] <charl> extremely interesting: http://www.islandsofresilience.eu/
[12:18] <not_found> why so long... looks like work :/
[12:18] <not_found> :p
[12:18] <charl> i just scanned through most of it
[12:19] <not_found> Mr. v Niekerk, your vote has been counted, we thank you - NSA
[12:19] <charl> ?
[12:20] <not_found> >.>
[12:21] <charl> not_found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
[12:22] <charl> i don't know where you come from but in europe we have democracy
[12:23] <not_found> they have that in the US too (aparently)
[12:23] <not_found> *apparently
[12:23] <charl> right... :P
[12:23] <charl> well we all see how that's going
[12:24] <not_found> and you are sure that big buddy UK isn't in on some surveillance action?
[12:24] <not_found> I know that France has been exposed to be harvesting info from phone calls , text messages etc....
[12:25] <not_found> just how far does the rabbit whole go...
[12:25] <not_found> hole
[12:25] <not_found> sheese
[12:25] <charl> not_found: http://pastebin.com/NTJvUZdJ
[12:25] <charl> you start pulling on a thread and the whole thing unravels
[12:26] <charl> http://www.businessinsider.com/the-guardian-wayne-madsen-nsa-scoop-2013-6
[12:27] <not_found> thing is now everyone knows it is happening... what will happen?  Perhaps it just becomes legal now or the new systems are done even more covert...
[12:28] <not_found> anyhow I would love to see all of the petitions flying around actually making something happen... would be refreshing
[12:29] <charl> the pirate party, as controversial as they are, has lead a bunch of things in europe so far
[12:29] <not_found> well good for them then :)
[12:31] <not_found> messed up world - http://www.change.org/petitions/release-my-son-justin-carter-being-prosecuted-for-a-facebook-comment
[12:32] <charl> scary that
[12:35] <charl> i'm off, have a good day all
[12:39] <Squirm> finally got my quadcopter working properly
[12:39] <not_found> Squirm: camera and you can use a phone to control it?
[12:40] <Squirm> not_found: got a proper quadcopter, not one of these little au drone things
[12:41] <Squirm> and have mounted my keychain camera
[12:41] <Squirm> doesn't take the best of video, but soon I'll have my autopilot and attach a Hero 3
[12:41] <not_found> ah cool
[12:42] <Squirm> not_found: http://www.youtube.com/MrSquirm
[12:43] <not_found> @work so no tubes for me... sorry
[12:43] <Squirm> later then :P
[12:45] <not_found> perhaps :)
[12:54] <mazal> Bye all , have a nice evening
[12:57] <magespawn> afternoon all
[12:58] <magespawn> not_found: reading the backscroll, i know the uk border police can seize your electonic device on entry, and reatind the data indefinately
[12:59] <magespawn> they have to return the device thoug
[12:59] <magespawn> h
[13:04] <not_found> and now I read how many agencies are working on algorithms to pre-determine things like people likely to commit a crime etc... Minority Report is upon us...
[13:04]  * not_found is going home now and staring at his Windows PC wondering who is staring back >.<
[13:04] <not_found> bye
[13:42] <Squirm> hmm
[13:42] <Squirm> not a bad video
[13:42] <Squirm> though the camera is lacking
[15:16] <Kilos> hehe inetpro werk jy darem nou
[15:16] <inetpro> uh
[15:17] <Kilos> hehe
[15:17] <Kilos> huis toe gaan tyd man
[15:19] <theblazehen> hi
[15:19] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[15:19] <inetpro> Kilos: ai, jy's seker reg
[15:19] <Kilos> altyd
[16:25] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[16:25] <Kilos> wat pla nou
[16:47] <Kilos> mazal, ping
[16:58]  * Squirm yawns
[17:01] <superfly> Reported an ADSL fault on Tuesday. Telkom came and (seemingly) fixed it today.
[17:02] <Kilos> seeminly?
[17:02] <Kilos> hehe
[17:02] <Kilos> they actually inna bad way
[17:03] <Kilos> their tracking service aint working either
[17:03] <Kilos> if you try go to the home page you get a 404 error
[17:10] <mazal> Kilos, pong
[17:10] <Kilos> ha
[17:10] <Kilos> if i am right you gotta be careful with boot-repair from another drive hey
[17:10] <mazal> And the score is 1 - 1 in the final and deciding set
[17:11] <Kilos> it will always want to boot from there after running it
[17:11] <mazal> Kilos, how you mean ?
[17:11] <Kilos> huh?
[17:12] <Kilos> ok i have tried it with 2 drives installed and if i remove the first drive i cant boot from the second one
[17:12] <mazal> Oh you mean if I do a grub repair ?
[17:12] <Kilos> ya the boot-repair tool
[17:12] <mazal> Then grub is on the first drive
[17:12] <mazal> One must just be sure where you point it
[17:12] <Kilos> i saw you say you want to install boot-repair to the external
[17:13] <mazal> Ya , but will still point repair to sda1 if needed
[17:13] <Kilos> rahter run fsck from the external i think
[17:13] <Kilos> ok lemme know
[17:13] <mazal> As long as grub goes to sda and you don't remove sda you will be ok
[17:14] <Kilos> ya but will the external then still be bootable after it
[17:14] <mazal> Yes , external is sdb
[17:14] <Kilos> ok
[17:14] <mazal> And as long as you don't point to it , it will be left alone
[17:15] <mazal> Sam as booting from cd
[17:15] <Kilos> i run boot-repair with nothing else plugged in
[17:15] <trender> morning
[17:15] <Kilos> hi trender 
[17:15] <trender> yo
[17:15] <mazal> One must just not confuse your drives and be sure where you point. Same as with an install really
[17:15] <mazal> Lo trender 
[17:15] <Kilos> ok
[17:16] <trender> lo mazal
[17:17] <mazal> Anything else you can think of for that install Kilos ?
[17:17] <mazal> If I knew how to compile I would add Redo , but don't know compiling
[17:17] <Kilos> no if its a repair drive then you dont need much more
[17:17] <Kilos> fsck fixes lots
[17:17] <mazal> I really can't think of anything else
[17:18] <Kilos> did you get kde?
[17:18] <mazal> I hope so
[17:18] <Kilos> ah its at work
[17:18] <mazal> Was still busy when I left
[17:19] <Kilos> did you wget it
[17:19] <mazal> With this new plan though will take a bit longer to get to that plan
[17:19] <Kilos> or use windows to download
[17:19] <mazal> Downthemall , firefox
[17:19] <Kilos> ah
[17:20] <mazal> I kinda like downthemall , just wish it could schedule
[17:20] <Kilos> hehe
[17:20] <mazal> Is always my first firefox plugin I add
[17:36] <trender> coff* coff* getright
[17:42] <Cantide> http://www.ubuntu.com/
[17:42] <Cantide> is it just me
[17:42] <Cantide> or will there be an announcement in 4 days?
[17:42] <Cantide> 'o'
[17:42] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[17:42] <Cantide> hello Kilos :)
[17:53] <mazal> trender, that's a Win app
[18:32] <mazal> Cantide I think it will be Ubuntu phone related again. Pc and phone sharing something 
[18:32] <Cantide> yeah, probably
[18:33] <Cantide> i am curious :)
[18:34] <mazal> " At the moment, the developers are working on developing, strengthening and refining Unity 8, Ubuntu converged component that will unite phones, desktops, tablets and TVs via a modern, polished and user-friendly look & feel. "
[18:34] <mazal> An extract from an Iloveubuntu blog post
[18:35] <mazal> Think it has something to do with it , that unite part
[18:36] <Cantide> i'm dying to see Unity 8's desktop mode
[18:36] <Cantide> but i believe they're focusing on the mobile versions at the moment
[18:36] <mazal> Yeah unfortynately
[18:36] <mazal> Everything is about mobile and the desktops don't get love
[18:38] <Cantide> yeah T-T
[18:38] <Cantide> well, i am quite keen to get my hands on it :)
[18:38] <Cantide> maybe my next phone? :D
[18:38] <mazal> Maybe that will be the day I invest in a smartphone
[18:39] <mazal> So far I been old-school with phones
[18:40] <mazal> I'm going horizontal
[18:40] <mazal> Night everyone
[18:40] <Kilos> night mazal 
[18:40] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:41] <mazal> Dankie , lekker slaap oom
[18:41] <Kilos> dankie
[18:41] <Cantide> night mazal 
[18:41] <Cantide> ...
[18:41] <Cantide> i was too slow -.-
[18:41] <Kilos> hehe
[18:59] <inetpro> good morning
[18:59] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[19:00]  * inetpro stretches his self
[19:00] <inetpro> what's up in Ubuntu land?
[19:00] <Kilos> quiet
[19:01] <inetpro> don't like this surfaces word
[19:01] <Kilos> huh?
[19:01] <inetpro> The line where // two surfaces meet
[19:02] <Kilos> what are you talking about
[19:02] <Kilos> what surfaces are bugging you
[19:02] <inetpro> Kilos: 18/07 19:42:13 <Cantide> http://www.ubuntu.com/
[19:02] <Cantide> just related to touch, i guess
[19:02] <Cantide> so phone + tablet perhaps?
[19:03] <inetpro> ai!
[19:03] <Kilos> haha
[19:04] <Kilos> that site tells me it wants to use cookies
[19:04] <Kilos> but i see that page so wassup
[19:04] <Kilos> dont it like opera
[19:05] <inetpro> Cantide: looks like Kilos doesn't know about MS Surface
[19:05] <Squirm> how is everyone this eve?
[19:05] <Cantide> ah, right :p
[19:05] <Cantide> hey Squirm :)
[19:05] <Kilos> hmm...
[19:05] <inetpro> Squirm: good and yeah self
[19:05]  * Cantide is very well ty
[19:05] <Kilos> good ty Squirm 
[19:05] <Cantide> tomorrow is my last day at FNB '-'v
[19:06] <Squirm> Cantide: good or bad?
[19:06] <Cantide> good :)
[19:06] <Cantide> moving onto bigger / better things
[19:06] <Squirm> nice :)
[19:06] <inetpro> Cantide: sounds interesting
[19:06] <Cantide> (in a few weeks / months )
[19:07] <Cantide> so i will rest a bit and troll IRC for a few weeks :)
[19:07] <Kilos> not bigger // better
[19:07] <Squirm> I think I'm going to be stuck at Treverton next year
[19:07] <Cantide> bigger and better i meant
[19:07] <Squirm> not a bad thing, but not where I want to go :P
[19:07] <Cantide> :p
[19:07] <Cantide> start working towards where you want to go
[19:08] <Squirm> I have been, was hoping it'd happen this year, but alas
[19:08] <inetpro> Cantide: hopefully you will stay in the *nix world
[19:08] <Cantide> i sure will :)
[19:08] <Cantide> my brother just built a beast of a machine
[19:09] <Cantide> and installed Ubuntu on it
[19:09] <Cantide> he had to recompile the kernel to get his mouse to work
[19:09] <Cantide> so if he can do that, i have no excuse :)
[19:09] <inetpro> nice
[19:10] <Cantide> i'm really looking forward to Ubuntu with Unity 8
[19:10] <Cantide> and Ubuntu Touch..
[19:10] <Cantide> so yeah, i'm not going anywhere fast :p
[19:10] <Squirm> I'm waiting for Ubuntu Touch
[19:11] <Squirm> few things not 100% with the S3
[19:12] <Cantide> oh, did you try loading it on there?
[19:12]  * inetpro noticed talk about Ubuntu Edge
[19:12] <Cantide> what is Ubuntu Edge?
[19:13] <Squirm> Cantide: not yet
[19:13] <Cantide> Squirm, but surely they won't really focus on supporting existing devices too much
[19:13] <Squirm> oh, their smartphone
[19:13] <Cantide> i meant the Nexus was used to test it out
[19:13] <Cantide> mean *
[19:13] <Squirm> people are working on ports
[19:14] <Cantide> and now they're preparing it for specific hardware that it will launch on
[19:14] <Cantide> yeah, but that's been rather quiet lately, hasn't it?
[19:15] <Squirm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9300
[19:17]  * Cantide clicks
[19:18] <inetpro> Cantide: Canonical next Smartphone dubbed Ubuntu Edge, 2013 end launch expected http://www.thegeeksclub.com/36233-canonical-smartphone-dubbed-ubuntu-edge-2013-launch-expected/
[19:18]  * Cantide clicks again
[19:20] <Cantide> oh, cool :)
[19:21] <Cantide> Squirm, I see - not really worth trying just yet :/
[19:21] <Squirm> yep
[19:24] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:27] <Cantide> i'm out, too
[19:27] <Cantide> good night!
[19:32] <inetpro> eish
[19:32]  * inetpro wanted to give him yet another link
[19:32] <inetpro> Surface Pro Is Not Restricted To Windows 8, Can Run Other OSes http://www.windows8update.com/2013/02/07/surface-pro-is-not-restricted-to-windows-8-can-run-other-oses/
[20:09] <Squirm> boredom
[20:14] <Squirm> hmm, I signed up for a google account 29th of July 2007