[02:09] Reminder about the meeting tomorrow. [02:21] My reports were submitted to the mailing list in case I don't make it. My morning Thursday is looking to be a bit fluid schedule-wise. [04:39] skellat: thanks :) [04:46] I had action items too, 1. Thanks to the people that tested, and plei, email was sent but heard not a thing back. 2. New ISO spin, 0.0.7 (released 07-14) hasn't hit the system-compositor-testing repo yet, so nothing to do. [05:01] I might not be around for the meeting === lderan_ is now known as lderan-work [08:44] looks like many might not be around. [09:18] :( [09:25] oh knome with the vote linking, is that just for within moin, for the bot [09:25] will be able to finish that this evening a put it up for merging :D [10:03] any idea why `chown 1:1 /dir/file` does not work? [10:10] JCD, please ask the support channel [10:10] lderan-work, it'd be great if we could link the votes to the html output logs [10:11] okay sounds good === lderan_ is now known as lderan-work [12:47] k [12:47] solved it was the binary itself that was broken [12:57] * elfy won't be back in time for the meeting [13:24] I'll be here for the meeting, hopefully :) [13:37] Screenshots for the user-config app Mugshot: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5887544/ === bluesabr1 is now known as bluesabre [13:47] bluesabre: looking forward to your gksu removal trick [13:48] micahg, sure thing :) [13:48] its basically my own implementation using pexpect [13:49] it also seems I should look into porting pexpect to python3 [13:51] bluesabre, if you'll be here for the meeting, can you chair? [13:51] i'm going to miss the meeting as well [13:52] knome: reschedule for tomorrow at 15:00? [13:52] i would have been missing that as well, but our schedules changed today, so maybe... otoh, i might as well miss it then. [13:52] (rescheduling still in progress) [13:53] i would say go on with the meeting, and if people think we need another one, we can meet up tomorrow impromptu [13:53] so let's say, ping people tomorrow at 15UTC as well if they are around and if they want to discuss further [13:54] does that make sense to you? [13:54] knome: maybe, never done it before, and I might have something here at work at that time :( [13:54] if you can't, np [13:54] somebody will [13:54] at least do #startmeeting and #chair all team members who are around [13:56] syntax is #startmeeting Xubuntu team meeting? [13:56] s/team/community/ [13:56] and yeah [13:56] and if you don't remember the meeting name.. nvm it them [13:56] *then [13:56] i also revamped https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology earlier [13:56] ok, I can probably do that at least :) [13:56] that should be pretty clear [13:57] (and the #chair syntax is: #chair nick1 nick2 nick3...) [13:57] ok [13:57] that allows others to run the meeting and change topics if you have to go away [13:57] works for me [13:57] thanks [13:58] ok, bbl [13:58] seeya [13:58] hf! [14:31] i will be here for the meeting, tho intermittent due to work [14:43] cool, I won't be alone :) [14:43] * micahg won't be here [14:48] :( [14:57] ochosi: ping [14:59] Unit193 mrpouit pleia2? [15:00] anybody else here for the meeting? [15:00] hi [15:00] woot! [15:01] #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting [15:01] Meeting started Thu Jul 18 15:01:05 2013 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:01] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:01] chair pleia2 [15:01] #chair pleia2 [15:01] Current chairs: bluesabre pleia2 [15:01] knome can't make it, or elfy, micahg, and probably ochosi [15:02] so this will probably be a short meeting at best [15:02] * pleia2 nods [15:03] pleia2, do you want to lead the meeting, this is new to me :D [15:03] * pleia2 just woke up [15:03] :) [15:03] I can just paste the things knome usually posts :) [15:03] * pleia2 opens last meeting log [15:04] #topic Items carried on [15:04] #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting [15:04] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings#Xubuntu.2BAC8-Meetings.2BAC8-Archive.2BAC8-Minutes.2BAC8-2013-07-11.Action_items.2C_by_person [15:04] I had one with gridcube to start social media stuff for the desktop wallpaper submissions [15:04] but I haven't heard from him about that yet [15:05] cool, its been neat to see progress on that stuff :) [15:05] #info A new app for setting user profile image and details: Mugshot [15:05] #link https://launchpad.net/mugshot [15:06] with a daily ppa: [15:06] #link https://launchpad.net/~mugshot-dev/+archive/daily [15:06] and screenshots: [15:06] #link http://paste.ubuntu.com/5887544/ [15:07] Do we want something like this in xubuntu? [15:07] #action pleia2 and GridCube prepare the social media broadcasting for desktop showcase [15:07] ACTION: pleia2 and GridCube prepare the social media broadcasting for desktop showcase [15:08] so the installer used to have (still has?) the thing where it takes your picture [15:08] is that what this is meant to address? [15:08] yeah, but there is no way to change it after you install [15:08] ah, gotcha [15:08] and since lightdm-gtk-greeter now supports and shows user profile images, it makes it easy to change that [15:09] I think it's a good idea [15:09] even chromeos has one, and it's barely got anything :) [15:09] :D [15:10] #action bluesabre to discuss with team possible inclusion of mugshot [15:10] ACTION: bluesabre to discuss with team possible inclusion of mugshot [15:10] since nobody is here :D [15:11] yeah :) [15:11] #action bluesabre to possibly coordinate testing mugshot with elfy [15:11] ACTION: bluesabre to possibly coordinate testing mugshot with elfy [15:11] :P [15:12] anything else for previous action items? [15:13] seems like that's it [15:13] #topic Team updates [15:13] other than mugshot, nothing new from me since last week [15:13] ochosi has been working on a new alt-tab switcher update for 4.12 [15:13] #info We now have stickers available for shipment worldwide via Unixstickers.com [15:13] #link http://www.unixstickers.com/xubuntu [15:14] yay! [15:14] they've been awesome :) [15:14] I'll order some when I get paid tomorrow [15:14] in return they'll be sending me stickers every so often (usually they do profit sharing, but it's difficult for us to accept) [15:14] so sticker sharing! [15:15] thats pretty awesome [15:15] #info ochosi has been working on a new alt-tab switcher update for 4.12 [15:16] and I don't know what anyone else has been up to [15:16] #info knome has been working on some theme improvements to xubuntu.org [15:16] thats exciting [15:16] #info we're launching our "Xubuntu at..." series of interviews with orgs using Xubuntu tomorrow [15:17] if anyone has suggestions on orgs to interview, let me know :) [15:17] ooo that is cool [15:18] I'll probably bug folks on g+ about that [15:18] anything else? did we talk about the SRU docs update at the last meeting? [15:19] oh [15:20] yeah we did, I did a call for writing them [15:20] cool [15:20] #info jjfrv8 has been doing great work on the backport of 12.04 docs, we're on schedule to complete by Aug 1st [15:20] \o? [15:20] \o/ [15:21] ready to move to announcements? [15:21] pleia2, sorry if it's off-topic, but in the last meeting it was decided, regarding the Mir tests in a VM setup to report any bugs/crashes to you. How do we do that, through the mailing list? [15:22] slickymaster_: so we've already finished that - collecting info was for a report sent to the list and Jono to get some eyeballs of a Mir developer on it [15:22] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2013-July/009101.html [15:23] unfortunately we haven't heard anything back yet :( so for now I think testing is paused until we can get some kind of feedback on how to move forwards [15:23] -s [15:23] pleia2, OK. Thanks, anyway [15:24] pleia2, yes and the clock is ticking [15:24] slickymaster_: thank you though! your efforts will be valuable in the very near future :) [15:24] I should probably follow up with Unit193's email, it's been almost a week [15:24] #action pleia2 to follow up with Mir email asking for an update [15:24] ACTION: pleia2 to follow up with Mir email asking for an update [15:24] pleia2, you're welcome [15:25] anything else for team updates? [15:26] I think that's it :) [15:26] #topic Announcements [15:26] anything to add here? [15:27] nothing from me [15:28] me either [15:28] same [15:29] moving on... [15:29] #topic New and emerging items [15:29] #subtopic Proposal for more structured handling of Xubuntu bugs [15:29] I figured this one is postponed until next meeting [15:30] skellat: sent a note to the list [15:30] but now I can't find it in the archives O_o [15:31] I think something changed with mailing list archives, they used to show up pretty much immediately but now they're lagged a lot [15:31] I'll pastebin it for now [15:32] #link http://paste.ubuntu.com/5887901/ [15:32] so I *think* what he means is that we shouldn't have our own bug team, but instead maybe just convince more folks to look at joining bug squad? [15:33] that's what I get from it as well [15:33] indeed [15:33] is the bug squad bug finders or bug fixers? [15:34] (or bug makers) [15:34] think they are bug fixers [15:35] triage and possibly [15:35] triagers of the bugs? [15:35] I think mostly keeping an eye out on what's there, bringing things to our attention [15:35] lderan-work: yes [15:35] ah [15:35] IMO, I think they have a wide scope, from bug finders to bug triagers and to bug fixers [15:36] I think the trouble is now we have a big list of bugs, and only our devs are looking at them (and they have precious, valuable time :)) [15:36] yeah [15:36] lots of bugs, few devs with fewer resources [15:38] anything else we want to add to this, or other new items? [15:38] I'm done [15:39] #subtopic Schedule next meeting [15:39] pleia2: I leave this to you :) [15:40] hah [15:40] we should hold off on this until more folks are around :) [15:40] and I'm not going to be here next week anyway [15:40] we can be cruel and schedule this for a time convenient to us in the US [15:40] haha [15:40] knome never sleeps, it'll be fine [15:40] lol [15:41] #nick team [15:41] #info team to schedule next meeting when more of the team is around [15:41] #endmeeting [15:41] Meeting ended Thu Jul 18 15:41:45 2013 UTC. [15:41] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-07-18-15.01.moin.txt [15:41] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2013/xubuntu-devel.2013-07-18-15.01.html [15:41] thanks bluesabre! :) [15:42] thanks pleia2, slickymaster_, and lderan-work! [15:42] thanks bluesabre, pleia2 [15:42] oh, and lderan-work [15:42] :P [15:43] i did nothing so \o/ [15:43] see you all [15:43] knome will do some fancy stuff with the minutes later (maybe/probably) [16:12] bluesabre: just shout when you want to catch up with ^^ - just not yet :) [16:13] * skellat is finally back from an unplanned jaunt into Lake County [16:14] pleia2: It was late when I wrote the e-mail. We don't have the resources to have our own dedicated team. People can proceed on their own **but** that is about all we can do at this point. [16:15] pleia2: So yeah, you broke through my regrettable lapse into corporate-hack jargon with relative ease [16:15] * skellat wanders off to get hands-on with a Raspberry Pi for surgery [16:25] skellat, that sounds dangerous [16:25] :D [16:26] elfy, sure thing, now's not best for me either, but let me know what info you need [17:04] Thing is, if you do bugsquad you get tons more {email,notifications} than just the Xubuntu related stuff, but maybe that's me. Mir team didn't see VM support as something that has to be there for 13.10, but recently got a bump for a Unity dev about it. [18:19] i'm back. === synaptix is now known as caboose85S [18:20] +1 for mugshot [18:21] pleia2, can we do a template for the "Xubuntu at..." series? a wikipage would serve the purpose fine [18:21] yeah [18:23] re: bug squad, some of us are already part of that via indirect memberships from other teams [18:23] maybe not the top-level team that has control over everything, but i think at least me and pleia2 can do bug importances [18:23] and all of our devs too [18:27] "You are not a member of this team." ha ha! not even indirectly! [18:27] woot [18:27] (i am a member of everything else somehow) [18:27] hehe [18:28] I just have the ubuntu-docs bug spamming me. :P === caboose85S is now known as synaptix [18:33] :P [18:34] knome: Noskcaj and I are recent direct members of bug squad FWIW [18:35] skellat, that's good [18:36] Yeah, we're not top-level controllers which are the ones who can set importance [18:36] That would be you and pleia2 however you have that access via indirect membership [18:37] re: bug squad, some of us are already part of that via indirect memberships from other teams - that'll be why I suddenly get mails for bugs that mean nothing to me then [18:37] elfy, lol, probably [18:37] elfy, just filter them out ;) [18:38] i'm filtering out a lot of stuff [18:38] some of it might be semi-important, but people will let me know i missed something [18:38] i missed the sponsorship granted -email for the first UDS, so... [18:38] (went to spam) [18:38] I do the filtering with a cup of tea - ignore, ignore, ignore ... [18:38] i have a few dozen filters in thunderbird [18:39] yea - me too [18:40] what, I figured you were a claws or silpheed user knome [18:40] or elm [18:40] bluesabre, nah [18:41] i have a very customized TB though [18:42] * ochosi uses claws-mail (which might also be a reason why there are two nice icon-themes for it ;)) [18:42] bluesabre: Use alpine! [18:42] Unit193: do you even use a graphical env? :D [18:42] oh yeah, xombrero [18:43] :P [18:43] mutt4ever [18:43] anything that does the job is fine [18:43] (just kidding, I don't use it that much anymore) [18:43] bluesabre: I'll have you know, I have 4 terminals (3 with screen, 1 tmux), pcmanfm, firefox, and skype open. :P [18:43] ochosi: lmk if you'd rather send info to Sonny, you're the only address I'm waiting on before I send the batch over to him [18:44] pleia2, i sent his [18:44] pleia2, you got CC [18:44] o [18:44] I don't read your emails [18:45] thanks [18:45] right to /dev/null [18:45] I assumed you were sending your address, I didn't think to actually read it :) [18:45] yeah, talking about filters.. [18:45] lol [18:45] pleia2: so wait, you need my address again? i can quickly PM it [18:45] my address will be in the form [18:45] ochosi, she doesn't [18:45] alright, then we have them all then [18:45] ok [18:45] great [18:45] ochosi: sorry, thanks anyway :) [18:46] np ;) [18:46] sorry i missed the meeting [18:46] wasn't really foreseeable [18:46] heh, same here [18:46] except that it was [18:47] i just didn't remember that astraljava et avec were coming here today :P [18:47] right [18:47] yeah, i just returned from germany, so i had some stuff to take care of [18:51] knome: you haven't sent form yet, right? [18:51] pleia2: You haz reply, they don't like me. :( [18:52] http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/marketing_da/badge-2.png [18:52] pleia2, no, but it's on my todo list for today [18:53] k thx [18:53] Unit193: I think they just needed an Action Required nudge :) [18:53] easy to forget that we were left hanging [18:54] (Kidding.) Well, I don't even see 0.0.7 in there yet, but if you *really* want, I can spin one up... I did just lose my secondary buildd/generator/etc a few minutes ago, though. :/ [18:55] make a TODO file with "help xubuntu", then do a merge request with that to their trunk [18:56] :) [18:56] ok, sent the form [18:56] * pleia2 gives knome a gold star [18:56] ta [18:56] it was ready, all done, for like weeks [18:56] but didn't get to email it [18:56] d'oh [18:57] Unit193: if you want, I'm inclined to just do a vanilla install myself and then follow the instrcutions on http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/installing_prebuilt_on_pc.html [18:57] 3rd of June. [18:57] oops. [18:57] lol [18:57] yeah I do that all the time [18:57] paperwork is boring [18:57] yup [18:58] bluesabre: "but let me know what info you need" - what it is, where it is, is it working now, what do you want the test to do [18:58] about sums it up :) [18:59] I'll look in here tomorrow [18:59] cya [19:00] elfy: it's an app that lets you change your user profile image (as seen on the login screen), user details (as seen with the finger command), (some) libreoffice user settings, and pidgin buddy icon [19:00] eh, too late :} [19:01] it does work now, will release 0.1 tonight [19:01] yeah I know [19:01] Not for forestpiskie. [19:01] I'll tag forestpiskie a few times :) [19:01] ochosi, not really, forestpiskie is here [19:01] haha. [19:01] lol [19:01] right, forestpiskie ... [19:01] (or you guys can do it for me) [19:02] hopefully he won't get cocky with so much attention/highlighting going on! [19:02] forestpiskie: testing would be good to make sure functionality is good for multiple people, including webcam-support [19:03] usage details can be seen with the built-in help button (which depends on yelp for now, but there are many who would prefer otherwise) [19:17] forestpiskie: I'll probably also write a blog post later with lots of details [19:25] pleia2, GridCube: checked the url i sent earlier? [19:26] knome: that's nice [19:27] oh :D i like it [19:27] very professional looking :) [19:28] good - then go use it [19:28] lol [19:28] then we should announce this thing soon [19:29] poor xubuntu.org, months without posts and then I'm flooding it [19:29] :) [19:29] haha [19:29] we also need to update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/ (or create a subpage) with dA [19:30] and stickers [19:30] i would probably do a simple frontpage with marketing audience [19:30] I shall create a bug, because right now I am working [19:30] for the website [19:30] then link to projects / social media / ideas [19:30] http://xubuntu-showcase.deviantart.com/ [19:30] done :) [19:30] i can update the wiki now [19:30] pleia2, ^ does that sound sensible? [19:31] knome: yep [19:31] oki, i'll go ahead [19:32] knome: oh, and we actually have to create the page on our website that showcases the showcased images ;) [19:32] heh [19:32] sure [19:32] GridCube: just sent a join request :) [19:32] and figure out how GridCube should send them to us (dA link each week?) [19:32] if you want, you can file a bug [19:32] I will file bug [19:32] or look at the permissions and make people do it themself [19:33] bluesabre, as member? its auto accepted :) but if you want i can make you an admin [19:34] I'll just be a member for now :) [19:34] 'kay [19:34] ah, cool :) [19:35] GridCube: looks cool! great initiative [19:35] GridCube, do you still want to be linked with your nick or is realname ok? [19:36] + can you send or point me to a full list of other admins for the wikipage [19:36] knome, either way im ok [19:36] ok, thanks [19:37] knome, http://xubuntu-showcase.deviantart.com/aboutus/ [19:37] ta ta [19:37] pleia2 never filled the about us page tho P: [19:37] * pleia2 does so [19:37] neither did M-Jae [19:38] there [19:39] do we know M-Jae's real name / is it ok to have that on the wiki? [19:39] i guess its ok, let me search the mailing list [19:40] oki, ta [19:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing/SocialMedia [19:40] feel free to link yourself [19:40] pleia2, is G+ accurate / is knez active? [19:41] pleia2 seems to be in charge of everything [19:41] her name is Joan Advincula [19:41] knome: he's still the ruler, semi-active [19:42] ok [19:43] :) done knome [19:44] wiki is lagging for me again [19:44] Noskcaj: have you emailed Sonny your payment forms? [19:44] s/forms/form/ [19:44] you keep saying you would, he keeps telling me you havne't ;) [19:45] pleia2, no. I've kept forgetting. [19:45] Noskcaj: please do it ASAP [19:45] ok [19:45] you're the only one he doesn't have any info for, I don't want this to keep dragging on :) [19:46] yeah, even i got around to send the form after filling it 6 weeks ago [19:46] GridCube, since there are no featured images on dA, maybe we could prefill that with a default shot from 13.04 ? [19:47] sure [19:48] :) im uploading it [19:48] pleia2, re: wiki + Marketing/Products (+projects), we should get the finished stuff to xubuntu.org and clean up the wiki as we move the stuff [19:49] yeah [19:50] * knome slaps the wiki [19:50] are they caching wiki edits too so they show up two days later? [19:51] what version of greybird comes default in that picture? [20:04] submited, now it needs aproval, pleia2, lderan :D if you can aprove the one i just sent please [20:04] sure :D [20:05] done [20:06] lol, there is no super button to approve things sent by admins? [20:06] way to go [20:13] knome, P: i set myself to the same standards [20:13] i could autoaccept myself [20:13] ¬¬ probably should do that now on [20:14] well at least when you're uploading default setting shots ;) [20:17] http://xubuntu-showcase.deviantart.com/gallery/ [20:17] ;D [20:17] devian tart [20:18] so i cheated P: i changed my own setting not to auto acept, but to need one vote, so i can vote P: so i have a buffer against errors [20:18] hah [20:19] cunning :P [20:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Marketing is now updated [20:21] ty [20:21] np [20:21] note that i did move some pages [20:21] so you might want to update bookmarks if you had those === Soupermanito is now known as GridCube === Soupermanito is now known as GridCube [20:36] pushed my first submission to the group :) [20:37] * knome goes laughing once it's approved [20:38] i mean, oops [20:50] bluesabre, 2 more votes and its in :D [20:56] * bluesabre slaps knome [20:57] get a hold of yourself man! [20:57] and [20:57] bbl [21:43] regarding the absence of replies on the topic of XMir; before you go poking the devs, has a xubuntu-devel list admin checked for any blocked messages lately? [21:44] there's a message from tonight. [21:45] but i'm pretty sure that's after the poking. [21:45] ah [21:45] approved. [21:45] Yep, poked by mail and response was had. [21:45] yeah, 10min after the poke from our side [21:46] ah sorry, when I checked the queue after the mail came in it wasn't there [21:46] then again mailman is having some trouble today, there is a ticket with IS [21:46] no kidding [22:08] Meh, for anyone that actually cares, changes from 832 to 848 are what's different from last PPA package and the current one: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/trunk/changes/848?start_revid=832 [22:24] GridCube: Updated my details :D [22:27] :) [22:27] Unit193: Do you want to start up a rebuild of the test disc or do you feel it isn't time yet? [22:33] As I said last night, 0.0.7 isn't in repo, nothing to do. [22:34] Good enough [23:24] jjfrv8: Welcome back. [23:25] Thanks.