[01:02] <BobJonkman> azend: The usual thing when folks with a common interest get together.  Argue politics, religion and sport, and maybe the topic of common interest too.  Drink coffee if there's coffee, eat egg rolls if there's egg rolls.
[02:42] <azend> I can argue :D
[03:03] <BobJonkman> azend: So, gotta date and/or venue in mind?  I'm hoping you'll say 8:00pm on Thursday, 25 July to coincide with the IRC meeting...
[03:05] <azend> Thursdays are curry night at the Pennywhistle :)
[03:13] <azend> BobJonkman: maybe then I can finally make the wiki page :P
[03:14] <BobJonkman> azend: Is curry night at the Pennywhistle an obstacle to holding Ubuntu Hour, or an excuse to hold one?
[03:14] <azend> bit of both
[03:15] <BobJonkman> :p that doesn't help!
[03:15] <azend> curry night means that it will be busier but there will be unlimited curry! :)
[03:15] <azend> I think it will be fun
[03:16] <BobJonkman> ...and don't let the lack of an Ubuntu Hour prevent you from creating a Wiki page
[03:16] <azend> meeting is at 7?
[03:16] <BobJonkman> OK!
[03:16] <BobJonkman> or was that a question?
[03:16] <azend> question :P
[03:16] <azend> when is the meeting?
[03:16]  * BobJonkman checks the wiki
[03:17] <azend> that's on the wiki?
[03:17] <BobJonkman> 7:00pm EDT
[03:17] <azend> man I've really got to check that out
[03:17] <azend> alright
[03:17] <azend> 7-9 at the pennywhistle pub
[03:17] <BobJonkman> The meeting announcement and agenda are on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/Next
[03:18] <BobJonkman> Yay!  Will you add this to the Ubuntu-ca LoCo page?
[03:19] <BobJonkman> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ca
[03:19] <azend> sure
[03:19] <BobJonkman> multi-Yay!
[03:19] <azend> assuming I don't break the launchpad sso this time :P
[03:19] <BobJonkman> Uh oh.  What did you do?
[03:20] <azend> I have no idea
[03:21] <azend> last time it took me like 5 tries to log in
[03:21] <azend> each time I would log in successfully and then it would think I'm not logged in
[03:21] <BobJonkman> The login goes through multiple pages of redirects.  Sometimes it's slow
[03:21] <BobJonkman> Need to have cookies turned on, I think.
[03:21] <BobJonkman> And maybe Javascript.
[03:22] <BobJonkman> The SSO has to preserve state from one page to another, across multiple sites
[03:24] <azend> yeah I expect that
[03:24] <azend> it just didn't like me
[03:25]  * azend pretends to be a web dev
[03:27] <azend> you guys have met at Cafe Pyrus eh?
[03:27] <azend> is it any good?
[03:32] <BobJonkman> I like Pyrus - good food (all vegetarian), but too exotic for some Ubuntu Hour attendees
[03:32] <BobJonkman> Also, the one Ubuntu Hour we've had there it was pretty loud.
[03:33] <BobJonkman> And the signage outside was invisible, so one person wandered around for a long time, and finally called me. Turns out it was right across the street.
[03:34] <BobJonkman> But I'll go back there.  Maybe not for Ubuntu Hour, but definitely for lunch or a snack or just to sit in a cool place with good (if loud) music
[03:34] <BobJonkman> Also, they have electrical outlets under the tables against the wall.  Good for laptops and electric razors
[03:45] <azend> BobJonkman: last time I went to Pyrus they were out of pretty much everything on the menu and totally screwed up my change
[03:45] <azend> Just wondering how other people felt about it
[03:48] <BobJonkman> I think Pyrus has a strong following among a small(ish) population
[03:49] <BobJonkman> So those who like it, like it very much.
[03:53] <azend> BobJonkman: event posted and email sent
[03:53] <BobJonkman> Saw the e-mail.  Great!
[03:54] <azend> now all we need is ze pictures!
[04:03] <BobJonkman> I can take some fuzzy camera shots.  @laurelrusswurm will probably bring her camera
[04:04] <BobJonkman> s/camera shots/phonecam shots/
[04:09] <azend> I wonder if we can bang out an ubuntu phone app in that time
[04:09] <azend> I don't know anything about ubuntu phone dev though
[04:17] <BobJonkman> I suspect any codefest would take more time, at least four or five hours
[04:17] <BobJonkman> And even then my experience is that you only end up with a proof-of-concept, not a usable product.
[04:18] <azend> we could make a smiley face app
[04:18] <azend> whenever you click the screen, a smiley face appears :)
[04:18] <BobJonkman> And if you're not familiar with the dev tools or environment you may not have more than a dummy mockup
[04:18] <azend> that is true
[04:19] <BobJonkman> Yup, like a smiley face.  That took an experienced professional developer like dscassel a few hours to do, when learning the Android development environment.
[04:19] <azend> yeah but android is a pain in the ass
[04:20] <azend> I've done android dev and it isn't very intuitve
[04:20] <azend> The dev tools alone take an hour or more to download on a fast connection
[04:20] <BobJonkman> I really need to get back into coding
[04:21] <BobJonkman> I frittered away a chance to learn OS development from singpolyma
[04:21] <BobJonkman> He's running a course at Kwartzlab every thursday in July and August.
[04:21] <azend> I heard
[04:21] <azend> sounds intense and awesome
[04:23] <BobJonkman> I wouldn't mind seeing an Android development env
[04:23] <BobJonkman> Something you could show off?
[04:23] <azend> maybe another time
[04:23] <BobJonkman> :)
[04:23] <BobJonkman> OK...
[04:24] <azend> I hear they're changing around the tooling a bit
[04:24] <azend> moving stuff over to IntelliJ
[04:24] <BobJonkman> ??? Never heard of that
[04:24] <azend> it looks pretty cool but it does a lot of stuff for you
[04:24] <azend> I'm not sure how OK I am with that
[04:25] <azend> convenient yes butm when you have to track down a bug, you don't know where to look
[04:25] <BobJonkman> That's the kind of "helpful" that leads to code bloat
[04:26] <azend> yup
[04:28] <azend> and if everyone does the exact same thing, why force them to write it every time
[04:28] <azend> just integrate a great version into the sdk in the first place
[04:28] <azend> or find a reason not to need it
[04:29] <BobJonkman> When everyone does the exact same thing, that's what code libraries are for
[04:32] <BobJonkman> OK, I'm calling it a night.
[04:32] <BobJonkman> "It's a night"
[04:32] <BobJonkman> :)
[04:35] <azend> This isn't a night!
[04:35] <azend> 3AM is a night ;)