| Desync | as far as the future of ubuntu to the consumer/business market, what are they planning to do in regards to integration/support for running certain critical applications (i.e. - Quickbooks with payroll for whatever latest calendar year it may be)? It seems to be the main thing keeping a majority of small business users from making the transition from microsoft. Myself being on of those in that possible customer base for their advan | 16:57 |
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| Desync | ced suppo | 16:57 |
| Desync | rt they sell. | 16:57 |
| Frogging|work | I think the future is smartphones and tablets, unfortunately. | 17:01 |
| Frogging|work | Of Ubuntu, that is | 17:01 |
| Frogging|work | That seems to be what Shuttleworth wants, anyway. | 17:01 |
| k1l_ | the commercial support didnt change, did it? | 17:06 |
| k1l_ | and to believe only smartphones and tablets would be the only future is a trap. ubuntu will keep the desktop because the whole package (desktop and mobile and tv) does make the difference in the game against the big ones (android, windows, redhat,...) | 17:07 |
| k1l_ | and quickbooks got a macos version. so talk to quickbooks if they offer a linux version | 17:10 |
| Frogging|work | k1l_: I know, but the thing is that they're developing the mobile version at the expense of the desktop one; instead of taking the desktop version and forking it to make a mobile one, they're trying to make a single unified UI that "works" on both (the result being that the quality of both suffers because of the vastly different controls) | 17:21 |
| k1l_ | Frogging|work: the most work is to do on the mobile one | 17:21 |
| k1l_ | ubuntu got a running desktop. but not a running mobile so far. | 17:22 |
| Frogging|work | Unity, the desktop UI that most people dislike, was designed for the purpose of being touch-friendly. This is the same mistake that Windows 8 made. | 17:22 |
| Frogging|work | And it had the same result; nobody likes it because it destroys any possibility of an efficient workflo | 17:23 |
| Frogging|work | workflow* | 17:23 |
| k1l_ | Frogging|work: dont mix the loud shouting from the "few" nerds who dont even use ubuntu with the opnion from the mainstream user | 17:23 |
| k1l_ | Frogging|work: :/ | 17:23 |
| k1l_ | dont tell me that "nobody can work with unity" | 17:23 |
| k1l_ | that is just stupid | 17:24 |
| Frogging|work | Well for one thing, I can barely use it on my laptop (Intel graphics) because it has these ridiculous transparency effects and such that add little and slow it down. | 17:24 |
| k1l_ | you dont like unity? ok. you want a gnome2-desktop back? ok. but dont say nobody can work with unity | 17:24 |
| Frogging|work | And they removed the one-click option to turn desktop effects on and off that they had a couple years ago | 17:25 |
| Desync | Mainstream user here. I love unity. | 17:25 |
| Frogging|work | Why? | 17:25 |
| Frogging|work | Tell me one thing about it that is better than gnome 2 or whatever it was that was there before | 17:26 |
| k1l_ | the problem right now is, that they will not invest alot of work into the old X-server+unity because they are working on the MIR-server with unity8 | 17:26 |
| Desync | One thing? I would say it has support directly from Canonical as that's what they are pushing. | 17:27 |
| k1l_ | Frogging|work: ever thought about that your learning of where to click in the gnome-menue of the last years, to find a app to start is not really considered intuitive or fast at all? | 17:27 |
| k1l_ | like i give you a mixed startmenue and you need to start a program. | 17:28 |
| Frogging|work | Desync: That's irrelevant to the user experience. And just because they're pushing it doesn't mean by any stretch that it's good | 17:28 |
| Desync | good being an opinion of every individual user | 17:29 |
| Desync | granted I have no problem learning new things and actually enjoy it. Maybe im the minority on this topic | 17:29 |
| k1l_ | Frogging|work: or the space on the screen that is now free for more informations because the global menue saves that space | 17:29 |
| Frogging|work | And about mir, what about this, huh? http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mir-Developers-Acknowledges-20-Performance-Drop-Over-the-X-Display-Server-369155.shtml | 17:30 |
| Desync | i do not have much experience working with UX in anything nix. Always been terminal stuff for me | 17:31 |
| k1l_ | Frogging|work: its still in development. did you think of that? | 17:31 |
| Frogging|work | k1l_: Yes, but then there's this (one sec while I find the link) | 17:31 |
| Frogging|work | http://www.zdnet.com/mark-shuttleworth-mir-has-delivered-what-we-hoped-7000017897/ | 17:32 |
| Frogging|work | He said that a little over a week before that other article was posted | 17:32 |
| Frogging|work | So it's delivered what they hoped, yet it's still 20% slower? What? | 17:32 |
| k1l_ | Frogging|work: they have lots of potential to at least get as fast as X with Xmir. at least! | 17:33 |
| k1l_ | Frogging|work: didnt you read that bit where the mir devs said that? | 17:33 |
| Frogging|work | Where? | 17:34 |
| k1l_ | i thought you did a well research on that topic? | 17:34 |
| Frogging|work | Also, that image in the first link is a bit weird... Looks like you have to make 2 clicks instead of 1 to open the terminal. | 17:34 |
| Frogging|work | Just a sec | 17:35 |
| Frogging|work | I do remember seeing something like that somewhere, but forget where | 17:35 |
| Frogging|work | There are a few conflicting reports | 17:35 |
| Frogging|work | But what's with the contradiction, anyway? Shuttleworth says that it's faster than X on his laptop, yet a week later an actual dev comes out and says that it's 20% slower | 17:36 |
| Desync | possibly the dev was using a different version? | 17:37 |
| Frogging|work | Maybe it will end up being faster, maybe not. But the point is, what Shuttleworth is saying is rather suspicious. | 17:38 |
| k1l_ | http://blog.cooperteam.net/ Frogging|work | 17:41 |
| Frogging|work | Hmm... | 17:42 |
| Frogging|work | Who are they? Just curious | 17:42 |
| k1l_ | chris h rogers is one of the MIR devs | 17:43 |
| k1l_ | thought you knew something about MIR | 17:43 |
| Frogging|work | I never said that, I just saw what I saw | 17:47 |
| k1l_ | Frogging|work: ok, then im telling you: you only saw on side of the medal | 17:48 |
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