[06:52] <bryce> sforshee, heya bug #1166442 has been fixed by a patch in linus' tree posted last week.  I stuck the patch on the bug report.  I've verified it on my samsung laptop backported to the 3.5 kernel; issue affects pretty much all recent samsung laptops I gather.
[06:52] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1166442 in linux (Ubuntu Saucy) "Elantech clickpad/touchpad lacks multitouch features." [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166442
[07:19] <ppisati> indicators today are in the correct position
[07:19] <ppisati> but when i click on the volume one, nothing pops up
[07:19] <ppisati> so i can't change the volume level
[07:20] <smb> Youre lucky sw update worked
[07:20] <ppisati> or any other audio-related thing
[07:20] <ppisati> :(
[07:23] <ppisati> actually NO indicators work today :(
[07:23]  * ppisati -> reboot
[07:33]  * apw yawns
[07:38]  * smb waits on RAOF mentioning some sort of bees
[07:39]  * apw realises he isn't on irc :) [sic] him away
[07:39] <apw> wtf
[07:40] <apw> that is like old ...
[07:40] <apw> the bees have takne him away
[07:40] <smb> giant bees
[07:41] <cking> smb, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1065434
[07:41] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1065434 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) ""unregister_netdevice: waiting for lo to become free. Usage count = 1" after LXC container shutdown" [High,Fix released]
[07:41] <smb> apw, and yous is not on mumble (again). Quick finish breakfast and get dressed before the doorbell rings
[07:42] <smb> cking, Ah, thanks... now lets see
[07:43] <cking> smb, I recall now it was a pain to test because it needed many multiple iterations before I found a way to reproduce it reliably
[07:43] <smb> cking, Yeah, the new one mentions "after 6000 or so launches and teardowns..." 
[07:44] <smb> bug 1196295
[07:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1196295 in lxc (Ubuntu) "lxc-start enters uninterruptible sleep" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196295
[07:44] <cking> urgh
[07:46] <cking> hrm, very similar looking, but I do wonder if it's a different issue, I guess it may be, hard to tell
[07:48] <smb> Feels a bit like something that happens after many iterations which then prevents proper cleanup... but really hard to tell
[07:48] <cking> 6000+ iterations is a killer to bisect with
[07:50] <smb> And even if you could in theory bisect, my experience with network changes is that they make ones life of bisecting even harder
[07:50] <cking> double urgh
[07:53] <apw> smb, or lots of them
[07:53] <apw> smb, nope not expecting any builders today, thankfully
[07:54] <smb> apw, The fun with the doorbell is that it does even ring when you are not *expecting* it to
[07:54] <smb> :)
[07:54] <smb> And yes, lots of changes and lots of dependencies between 
[07:55] <apw> as long as they are bringing fun things for me, that is fine
[07:55] <smb> Yeah, the bills they just put into the letter box (strangely)
[08:04]  * smb is glad to see that the software-center maintains a consistent level of quality
[08:04] <RAOF> Bumblebees!
[08:44] <ppisati> brb
[08:44] <apw> RAOF, swarms of uber-bumble-bees
[10:45]  * ppisati -> out for lunch
[11:48] <psivaa> jdstrand: thanks for the fix for bug 1202203, appears to solve the issue. 20+ runs did not see the bug with today's images. 
[11:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1202203 in isc-dhcp (Ubuntu) "Connection requests to saucy server VMs from a hosts fail after fresh preseeded VM installs" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202203
[12:38] <nessita> hello. Is there anyone available to help me with a potential kernel sound bug? LP: #1201528
[12:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1201528 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[Realtek ALC889] - Audio Playback Unavailable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1201528
[12:50] <rtg> nessita, you might try restarting pulseaudio when it gets in that state, e.g., http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/7130/2
[12:50] <nessita> rtg, yeah, but it does not solve it
[12:51] <nessita> rtg, the sound gets "dead", and nothing fixes it but a restart
[12:51] <rtg> nessita, the fact that audio output lasts for many minutes before stopping kind of indicates that its a pulse issue. diwic might be able to offer some thoughts.
[12:52] <nessita> rtg, happy to provide any log that could be useful -- currently I can not do any meeting in this computer, all mumble/skype/hangouts will "break"
[12:52] <nessita> rtg, I was suggested by the support team that this could be a buffering issue
[12:53] <rtg> nessita, possibly, but I see no indication in your logs that its a kernel problem. without that there isn't much to go on.
[12:53] <diwic> nessita, this is worth trying https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/PositionReporting
[12:54] <nessita> diwic, looking
[12:57] <nessita> trying with "options snd-hda-intel position_fix=1" and rebooting, brb
[13:08] <nessita> diwic, hello, I'm back, So, audio worked for a while and stopped working again. I think I noticed the following pattern:
[13:09] <nessita> if I adjust volume levels using pavucontrol, it usually ork
[13:09] <nessita> works*
[13:09] <nessita> but if I use the control dialog below the sound icon in the indicator menu, it breaks immediatly
[13:10] <diwic> nessita, hmm
[13:11] <nessita> diwic, I alos note that the device for inout gets constantly reset to the S/PDIF option: I keep chooise the "regular" one (Front Microphone), but every time I close and open the volume control app, the input device is set to the S/PDIF one
[13:11] <nessita> also*
[13:12] <nessita> diwic, want me to try with "options snd-hda-intel position_fix=2" noe?
[13:12] <nessita> now*
[13:12] <nessita> puf, I'm typing pretty bad today
[13:13] <diwic> nessita, what have you tried so far? both "position_fix=1", "position_fix=2" and "tsched=0" is worth a try
[13:13] <diwic> (and a reboot between each one)
[13:14] <nessita> diwic, right, so far only tried the first one, but I wanted to mention the "pattern" (audio does not break until I open the app in the sound indicator, and input device gets "reset")
[13:14] <nessita> diwic, will try the other two
[13:14]  * nessita reboots
[13:27] <nessita> diwic, hello again! well, seems like position_fix=2 fixed it (well, at least I tried all I tried before and the audio playblack kept working)
[13:28] <nessita> will comment on the bug
[13:29] <diwic> nessita, all right, interesting
[13:30] <nessita> diwic, FYI, the app below the sound indicator keeps "resetting" the input device to the S/PDIF one, but changing it to the Front microphone allows me to use the mic (otherwise mic does not work)
[13:31] <diwic> nessita, you mean the gnome sound settings?
[13:32] <nessita> diwic, the app title is "Sound", but I think is that, yes
[13:32] <nessita> is the section under All settings -> Sound
[13:53] <nessita> diwic, ping again, when you can. So, audio died, not sure when.
[13:54] <nessita> diwic, any more ideas what can I try?
[13:55] <diwic> nessita, well, the tsched=0 one. Remove the nonworking position_fix first
[13:56] <nessita> diwic, ack, will do
[14:00] <nessita> diwic, just to be sure, the line I have in /etc/pulse/default.pa is "load-module module-udev-detect use_ucm=0"
[14:00] <nessita> (the wiki says "load-module module-udev-detect" without the use_ucm=0)
[14:01] <diwic> nessita, you can keep the use_ucm=0 too, it doesn't matter much
[14:01] <nessita> ack
[14:01] <diwic> for your hardware
[14:01] <nessita> ok, so, reverted options snd-hda-intel position_fix=2 and added the tsched=0, rebooting
[14:09] <rtg> ppisati, can you install https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ppa/+build/4806723 on calxeda as a test ?
[14:09] <ppisati> rtg: i'll do
[14:11] <nessita> diwic, so far working, will report back if audio playback stops working
[14:11] <diwic> ok
[14:12] <diwic> nessita, you're using standard stereo profile, right? Nothing surround related?
[14:13] <nessita> diwic, standard stereo setup, and in particular nothing changed in my setup since precise (where audio worked with no glitches)
[14:13] <nessita> diwic, not sure if it's worth noting that the "only" thing that breaks is audio playback, mic keeps working without issues (even if I can not hear anything)
[14:13] <diwic> ok
[14:14] <diwic> nessita, yeah, every time we try to improve the stack for some set of users, it's easy to break for another, as we don't have the ability to test > 1000 machines every time something is changed
[14:15] <rtg> apw, overlayfs is the only thing standing between me and switching over to 3.11-rc2 in the archive. Is that readdir issue still on your todo list ?
[14:15] <apw> rtg, yes on todays indeed
[14:15] <rtg> or, are you gonna make _me_ learn it ?
[14:15] <apw> heh no, i wouldn't do that
[14:16] <rtg> prolly wouldn't hurt
[14:16] <rtg> well, it would _hurt_ a lot, but I should learn it
[14:17] <apw> rtg, next time
[14:23] <ppisati> [   12.075144] RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0.
[14:23] <ppisati> [   12.082461] VFS: Cannot open root device "UUID=608a7f64-20e8-400f-97b0-fb34d06bf327" or unknown-block(0,0): error -6
[14:23] <ppisati> [   12.092984] Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions:
[14:23] <ppisati> rtg: ^
[14:23] <ppisati> rtg: uhmm....
[14:24] <rtg> ppisati, FIIK
[14:24] <ppisati> rtg: that's weird
[14:24] <ppisati> rtg: it's the same node as yesterday
[14:25] <ppisati> rtg: so that UUID should be valid
[14:25] <rtg> ppisati, missing device driver ? It _is_ a completely different kerenel version
[14:25] <ppisati> rtg: well, there're two weird things:
[14:26] <ppisati> 1) [    3.035132] RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0.
[14:26] <ppisati> 2) the uuid thing
[14:26] <ppisati> actually 2 could be a consequence of 1
[14:26] <rtg> ppisati, as I am totally distracted by some other issues, I'll leave this problem in your capable hands.
[14:27] <rtg> :)
[14:27] <ppisati> rtg: ack
[14:27] <rtg> at least the tool chain seems functional
[14:35] <apw> rtg, just pushed a rules change to master-next and unstable to make a new udeb for use in the seeds
[14:36] <rtg> apw, did you catch the unstable rebase I pushed just a few minutes ago ?
[14:36] <apw> yeah i fetched 10s before
[14:36] <rtg> apw, cool
[14:36] <apw> and when i pushed it was linear
[14:37] <apw> infinity, i've commited that udeb change for saucy both ... for whenever we upload that
[14:38] <infinity> apw: Feel the urge to push that to Ben's branch too?
[14:38] <apw> infinity, will do in a bit indeed
[14:38] <infinity> (If not, I'll talk to him about it $later)
[14:56] <hallyn> apw: hey - have you used git-send-email through smtp.canonical.com recently?  I thought it used to work (with the expected obvious arguments) but i'ts failing me right now...  wondering if htere are any new tips and tricks
[14:57] <apw> hallyn, i think i did it a couple of days ago, nothing different then that i know of
[14:57] <hallyn> hm, ok.  actually maybe this is a bug in the saucy git-send-email.  it also won't honor --smtp-debug
[14:57] <apw> hallyn, oh, no i have switched to gmail
[14:57] <hallyn> just keeps telling me to use --smtp-debug :)
[14:58] <hallyn> oh, right.
[14:58] <hallyn> i've been thinking maybe i'll give in and do that.
[14:58] <hallyn> though i figure they'll just disable imaps access soon now that jabber and rss are gone :)
[14:59] <apw> i think we are paying for it, so they had better not
[14:59] <hallyn> all right - thanks.  i guess i'll just send by hand and get on with actual work
[15:03] <hallyn> ah - was specifying port 587 without thinking - should be 465 (or just unspecified)
[15:08] <rtg> apw, infinity: so you're gonna use linux-udebs-generic in the debian installer ?
[15:09] <apw> rtg, in the seeds
[15:14] <apw> rtg, so a simple fix for overlayfs for the moment might be to revert the removal of readdir
[15:15] <apw> and then we can work on the replacement or wait for it from upstream overlayfs if it is coming
[15:15] <apw> anyhow i am working on it
[15:16] <nessita> diwic, so, bad news. Audio playback no longer works. More info: as per the debugging I was first requested in the bug, I had set pulseaudio to autospawn = no, so I could gather more verbose logging (which is attached to the bug). Noticing that the latest attempt may have worked, I resetted that setting (ie, I removed the .pulse/client.conf) and restarted the computer. Now, opening more than one thing that access pulseaudio (mplay
[15:16] <nessita> diwic, another debugging info is that now, mplayer can not play a video, it gets absolutely blocked 
[15:17] <nessita> (ie, the first video frame appears and then nothing else happens)
[15:17] <diwic> nessita, okay. I'm afraid I don't have time to help you right now, and I don't have any good ideas either.
[15:17] <nessita> diwic, do you think that moving to saucy could fix this?
[15:18] <diwic> nessita, you could also try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/UpgradingAlsa/DKMS
[15:18] <rtg> apw, is the removal atomic ? I thought it touched a bunch of file system drivers,
[15:18] <diwic> nessita, that would be even better to try than saucy 
[15:18] <apw> rtg, he added the new interface, moved everything over to the new one, and removed the old
[15:18] <apw> so in theory we could revert the last bit and be ok for now, maybe
[15:18] <apw> i'll have a play with it
[15:18] <rtg> ok
[15:19] <apw> ahh no he may have removed the infrastructure we use as welll ... hmmm well see
[15:19] <nessita> diwic, will try that, thanks.
[15:20] <nessita> diwic, shall I remove the "load-module module-udev-detect tsched=0" tweak?
[15:20] <diwic> nessita, yes, remove it
[15:20] <nessita> ack
[15:37] <nessita> diwic, so, if you have more ideas what else could I try, I will appreciate those, since even after updating dkms my audio playback dies. I know you mentioned you can't help me debug now, but perhaps you can indicate another person that could help or guide me?
[15:38] <nessita> I have pulseaudio set to be verbose (at system level), I keep getting these 3 lines in syslog:
[15:38] <nessita> Jul 19 12:38:37  pulseaudio[2636]: last message repeated 10 times
[15:38] <nessita> Jul 19 12:38:37 dali pulseaudio[2636]: [alsa-sink] ratelimit.c: 15 events suppressed
[15:38] <nessita> Jul 19 12:38:37 dali pulseaudio[2636]: [alsa-sink] alsa-sink.c: Underrun!
[15:39] <diwic> nessita, yeah, the "Underrun!" is unusual actually
[15:40] <diwic> nessita, does it happen only with low latency - sound settings, mumble, skype etc, if you only use say some music player, does it still crash?
[15:40] <nessita> diwic, I use sonata which is a GUI client for mpd, the music server. I never got those to work since I updated to raring
[15:40] <ppisati> rtg: what's happended to linux-lts-raring - 3.8.0-27.40~precise2? i see there's a new one in the pipe (~precise3), any chance i can get the previous one?
[15:41] <diwic> nessita, I wonder if the "Underrun!" is due to wrong position reports or system scheduling issues
[15:41] <nessita> diwic, I even tried uninstalling those two (sonata and mpd), and using rhythmbox, but audio playback eventually dies no matter what
[15:41] <rtg> ppisati, infinity re-uploaded to use an orig tarball. dunno if the original still exists.
[15:41] <diwic> nessita, hmm, okay
[15:42] <diwic> nessita, for further troubleshooting I guess you would need a special pulseaudio build with DEBUG_TIMING on 
[15:42] <nessita> diwic, I'm not sure about "wrong position reports or system scheduling issues", I don't know what those mean :-)
[15:43] <nessita> happy to try saucy this weekend, though I see pulseaudio version (mayor) has not changed
[15:48] <diwic> nessita, we have PA 4.0 in a PPA, but I doubt that would make a difference
[15:49] <diwic> nessita, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/pulse-testing <-- PA 4.0 is here, and you're welcome to test it, but I doubt it'll help 
[15:49] <nessita> diwic, your doubts makes me doubtful :-)
[15:49] <nessita> diwic, not sure if this helps, but is the output of pulseaudio log in syslog when I try to play a video (audio playback does not work and video speed is off, frames are shown too fast, something like 1.5x) https://pastebin.canonical.com/94733/
[15:50] <nessita> without understanding the output that much, lines that call my attention are "Scheduling delay of 6.33ms, you might want to investigate this to improve latency..."
[15:50] <nessita> "Have to rewind 65276 bytes on render memblockq"
[15:54] <diwic> nessita, yeah, scheduling messages with >= 20 ms is not optimal, I saw you had one of those, but not enough to cause constant problems
[15:55] <nessita> diwic, since you're busy, in order to stop interrrupting you, is there someone else I can ping for debugging further?
[15:57] <diwic> nessita, not really...unfortunately
[15:59] <nessita> diwic, would it be better if I ping you again next week? I kind of need audio to work (meetings and all)
[16:01] <diwic> nessita, what time zone are you in?
[16:01] <nessita> diwic, GMT-3 (is 1pm for me now(
[16:01] <nessita> ))
[16:02] <diwic> nessita, hmm, that sounds like Brazil or something
[16:02] <nessita> diwic, yeah, Argentina
[16:03] <diwic> nessita, anyway, yeah, try pinging me on Monday. You could try TheMuso too, but he's in Australia so I doubt you and him will find a time that works for you both
[16:04] <nessita> diwic, will do, thanks for your time today
[16:05]  * nessita reboots one more time
[16:06] <diwic> nessita, yw
[16:19] <nessita> diwic, one more interrupt (last one!). When rebooting the computer (first reboot since I installed the new dkms), computer will not shutdown, had to sysrq+b to have it rebooting. Error shown in screen was http://ubuntuone.com/5crDl5mdauSvTF0BjnQrQk
[16:21]  * apw breaks out a beer
[16:22] <apw> rtg-afk, t
[16:22] <apw> rtg-afk, t
[16:22] <apw> rtg-afk, this is going to take some porting me thinks, now do remember if aufs is working that will be used anyhow, so we don't need overlayfs per-se.  so you might upload it to the PPA so that the dkms people can start their grinding
[16:33] <jsalisbury> apw, rtg-afk, do you think this one should be hot listed: bug 1202887
[16:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1202887 in linux-manta (Ubuntu) "'binder: RLIMIT_NICE not set' when using binder from the ubuntu side" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202887
[16:36] <ppisati> ubuntu@c16:~$ uname -a
[16:36] <ppisati> Linux c16 3.10.0-4-generic #13~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jul 18 23:37:03 UTC 2013 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[16:36] <ppisati> ubuntu@c16:~$ lsb_release -a
[16:36] <ppisati> No LSB modules are available.
[16:36] <ppisati> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[16:36] <ppisati> Description:    Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS
[16:36] <ppisati> Release:        12.04
[16:36] <ppisati> Codename:       precise
[16:36] <ppisati> ubuntu@c16:~$
[16:36] <ppisati> rtg-afk: ^
[16:36] <ppisati> rtg-afk: the new vmlinuz was too big and was overwriting part of initrd (that resulted in garbage)
[16:36] <ppisati> rtg-afk: shuffling the things around, made it boot
[16:37] <ppisati> rtg-afk: but i still need to tweak it to make it automatic now
[16:40]  * ppisati -> EOW
[18:02] <rtg> jsalisbury, I'll have a look at bug #1202887. No need to hot list it.
[18:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1202887 in linux-manta (Ubuntu) "'binder: RLIMIT_NICE not set' when using binder from the ubuntu side" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202887
[18:03] <jsalisbury> rtg, thanks
[19:42] <apw> jsalisbury, we should keep an eye yes
[19:43] <rtg_> apw, do you understand that bug ? 'cause I'm not seeing the problem.
[19:44] <rtg_> on the other hand, nice seems unreasonably complicated.
[20:09] <rsalveti> rtg: apw: bug 1203173, in case you guys got a maguro as well
[20:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1203173 in touch-preview-images "[maguro] broadcom dongle host driver sometimes fails to load the correct mac address" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1203173