[00:49] <ali1234> is u1db the old thing that got scrapped or the new thing that replaces it?
[01:15] <MattJ> Why am I awake?
[01:17] <penguin42> temperature
[06:43] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:03] <diplo> Morning all
[07:04] <dwatkins> aloha
[07:08] <MooDoo> dwatkins: oi you know that's czajkowski's saying :) lol
[07:10] <dwatkins> it is?
[07:10] <dwatkins> I just tend to pick a random greeting each day.
[07:10] <MartijnVdS> g'morning!
[07:10] <dwatkins> goedendag
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goedendag ?
[07:20] <MooDoo> so how is everyone at the moment? glad it's friday?
[07:20] <dwatkins> very glad indeed, it's been a crazy week here in Edinburgh
[07:20] <MooDoo> is canonical still doing ubuntu certification with the lpi?
[07:21] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: haha, I meant "good day" in Dutch, of course ;)
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: that's what it usually means ;)
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: VERY glad it's friday
[07:21] <dwatkins> "Good morning, or a scary looking mace thing, depending on the context"
[07:22] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: You only have to worry if you have a French accent, according to apocryphal sources ;)
[07:23] <dwatkins> I always thought "apocryphal" meant "contested".
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: "of dubious authenticity"
[07:23] <dwatkins> ah ok, not far off
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: (there's only one source for the "French-stabbing" origins of the Goedendag name)
[07:26] <dwatkins> That's ok then, it probably didn't maim too many people...
[07:34]  * TheOpenSourcerer starts writing a draft review of some beer...
[07:34] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: yay! :)
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: positive or negative?
[07:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Only tried the Broeders so far - but that was lovely ;-)
[07:36] <dwatkins> "draft" ... badum tschhhh.....
[07:36] <MooDoo> doooooo
[07:37] <MooDoo> dwatkins: careful, you'll get TheOpenSourcerer HOP-ing mad on that one.
[07:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol - it'll not get published for a while... Need to try the Dark Roast yet and get AlanBell's input too.
[07:37] <dwatkins> I think there's a grain of truth to that, MooDoo...
[07:37]  * AlanBell input one of the light beers
[07:37] <MooDoo> dwatkins: thanfully the jokes are mild
[07:37] <AlanBell> was rather yummy
[07:38] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Friday-level jokes
[07:38] <dwatkins> Just so long as the review isn't gassy.
[07:38] <MooDoo> just keep it all low gravity
[07:38] <AlanBell> someone got an iPhone handy?
[07:38] <AlanBell> want to test something
[07:38] <dwatkins> yeah AlanBell - 4S
[08:14] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:20] <dwatkins> wotcher brobostigon
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:20] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[08:20] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[08:44] <popey> Morning all
[08:45] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:50] <x98> hi there i was told here to upgrage to 12.04.1 lts to fix my cpu fan error but it hasn't worked
[08:50] <x98> my laptop now has overheated
[08:51] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday, and happy Soyuz 14 Landing Day! :-D
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Shame: http://www.h-online.com/features/The-Final-H-Roundup-1919816.html
[08:54] <JamesTait> The H is going away?
[08:54] <JamesTait> Didn't fabsh work for them?
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/The-H-is-closing-down-1920027.html
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> yep
[08:55] <JamesTait> fabsh killed The H? :-P
[09:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2013/07/bier-vandestreek/
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Wow, thanks :)
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: Sent it to my brothers
[09:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> They've already picked it up on twitter
[09:10] <diplo> Will point my dad at it as well ,he likes strong beers and trying new stuff
[09:10] <diplo> Guys, web dev stuff I know is OT but :)
[09:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Their shop doesn't work for me - so I don;t think you can actually buy it yet...
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> you can send them an email to order if you really want it
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> or use the Dutch-language shop
[09:11] <diplo> I'm trying to clean up some CSS which has acrued over the years, basically want a way of checking through a CSS file and see if all elements are used in the code
[09:12] <diplo> kk, I may order it as a treat. Cheers
[09:14] <SuperMatt> awww man, sads to see the H going :(
[09:22] <SuperMatt> in chromium, is there a sync alternative that doesn't use google?
[09:38] <MooDoo> just rebuilt my vps to ubuntu lts, yay vps o/ lol
[09:41] <SuperMatt> my vps is 13.04
[09:42] <brobostigon> debian testing here.
[09:42] <MooDoo> don't need to upgrade to the latest version, LTS is fine :D
[09:43] <MooDoo> same on my laptop LTS is fine for the moment :d
[09:44] <SuperMatt> my vps is 13.04, but my laptop, desktop and *work* pcs are 13.10
[09:44] <SuperMatt> I like to be on the edge
[09:44] <MooDoo> heh
[09:45] <MooDoo> well seeing as my vps just runs a minecraft server and irssi, i don't need anything else :d
[09:45] <SuperMatt> oh, mine runs my website, email, etc
[09:46] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: yeah I could do that, but I just use works systems and google for mail :D
[09:46] <SuperMatt> but I like to run the latest stable releases of stuff
[09:46] <SuperMatt> I'm slowly phasing google out of my life
[09:46] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: how come?
[09:46] <brobostigon> tt-rss :)
[09:46] <SuperMatt> just... because
[09:46] <SuperMatt> yup, I run tt-rss
[09:47] <MooDoo> crappy excuse but i'll not pry ;)
[09:47] <SuperMatt> there's no real reason for it, but I mostly got fed up with relying on others for my stuff
[09:47] <brobostigon> i run owncloud also, so stores contacts, calendar etc.
[09:47] <popey> SuperMatt: wise
[09:47] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: I know how you feel on that one :d
[09:47] <SuperMatt> of course, I do have to rely heavily on a single company to provide my vps
[09:49] <SuperMatt> but that's unavoidable
[09:49] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: get a server at home :D
[09:49] <SuperMatt> heh
[09:49] <SuperMatt> naw
[09:50] <SuperMatt> I'm happy with the company I'm with because my friend works for them
[09:50] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: ah! :)
[09:50] <popey> hah, i used to run popey.com from a compaq proliant at home
[09:52] <diplo> never had issues with ports popey  ?
[09:52] <popey> nope
[09:52] <popey> but that was years ago
[09:54] <SuperMatt> I'm paying £30 a month for 40gigs of disk and 1gig of ram
[09:54] <SuperMatt> and it's pretty swift
[09:54] <MooDoo> just got 2gb 50gb 1 core, that'll do for me.
[09:55] <SuperMatt> well, you need all that ram for minecraft ;)
[09:55] <MooDoo> lol
[09:56] <JamesTait> http://www.bigv.io/prices ftw.
[09:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> SuperMatt: About £40 >> http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4
[09:56] <MooDoo> you use them TheOpenSourcerer ?
[09:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> We use Hetzner yes.
[09:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have 4 servers there at the moment.
[09:57] <SuperMatt> how... how are they making any money off that?
[09:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> They've just introduced some new ones... http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex/
[09:58] <SuperMatt> what's the catch?
[09:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> None we have found.
[09:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> They are root servers, i.e. h/w so we look after everything on top.
[09:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> They keep the metal working and the network working.
[09:58] <SuperMatt> sure
[09:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Been using them for a couple of years now.
[09:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> A couple of minor network outages in that time but nothing serious.
[09:59] <SuperMatt> but surely the cost of procurement, networking equiptment, electricity and connectivity cost more than that?
[09:59] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer: Ordering mine next month for work
[09:59] <MooDoo> i've heard so many people talking about them, can't be that bad then
[09:59] <diplo> SuperMatt: I do wonder the same, but I guess that's their problem :)
[10:00] <diplo> If it's good enough for TheOpenSourcerer, I guess it's worth a try, our current reseller causes me headaches
[10:00] <diplo> Only thing I'm not looking forward to is looking after it, got quite a workload atm
[10:01] <SuperMatt> poor thing
[10:01] <diplo> My only issue is that I need a web hosting panel for other staff
[10:01] <diplo> Trying a few out atm
[10:01] <SuperMatt> at the moment, I'm just messing around with name servers
[10:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> They've just upped the bandwidth limits too - from 5TB / mnth to 20 TB
[10:02] <MooDoo> diplo: cpanel is the easiest i've foind.
[10:02] <MooDoo> found
[10:03]  * TheOpenSourcerer hates all of them
[10:03] <diplo> Yeah, but to buy a license it's quite expensive
[10:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Plesk is evil.
[10:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cpanel is just crap.
[10:03] <diplo> I'd rather not TheOpenSourcerer, but staff aren't that great
[10:03] <MooDoo> i hate plesk
[10:03] <popey> hmm, i quite like the idea of having my own server
[10:03] <MooDoo> it's not crap it does what it's supposed to and seems quite handy
[10:03] <MooDoo> not that I have a cp on this box
[10:04] <AlanBell> it doesn't provide adequate separation between customers
[10:04] <MooDoo> popey: me too, i just got this vps via work.
[10:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> MooDoo: We have a customer for whom we look after some VMs. They run CPanel.
[10:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is crap.
[10:04] <MooDoo> in your oppinion :p
[10:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> In my *experience*
[10:04] <MooDoo> then again i'm only seeing it from a 1 customer / 1 cpanel point of view.
[10:06] <diplo> Looking at trying http://ajenti.org
[10:07] <diplo> Tried ISPConfig3 and Webmin/VirtualMin
[10:07] <MooDoo> then again why use a cp if you know what you're doing via command line.
[10:08] <diplo> I do MooDoo, other 17 staff don;t, they're worried if I or my colleague leave they may be a little screwed
[10:08] <MooDoo> lol
[10:08] <MooDoo> then you need to train them :D :p
[10:08] <diplo> They do stuff just to get it working, don't document *anything*
[10:08] <diplo> I've documented more in the last 3 years than all of them have in 17 years :/
[10:08] <MooDoo> diplo: that's rubbish
[10:09] <MooDoo> and their own fault if anything goes wrong.
[10:09] <AlanBell> it isn't that it is a GUI that is a problem, that is fine
[10:09] <diplo> It is, it sucks.. but they are all using my documentation now
[10:09] <diplo> AlanBell: More that it does things non standard ?
[10:09] <MooDoo> quit and see what happend ;)
[10:09] <brobostigon> most of my documentation of my vps's are either in my head, or on several dozen post-it notes. not good.
[10:09] <diplo> That was m,y problem with a lot of them
[10:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> This is quite a good idea too. You can bid for old tin that customers have stopped using: https://robot.your-server.de/order/market
[10:10] <MooDoo> brobostigon: if it's your vps it doesn't matter, when it's a companies that's where the problems occur
[10:10] <brobostigon> MooDoo: yes, certainly.
[10:10] <diplo> http://www.phpmyfaq.de/ started using this now, used to have ODT's etc everywhere, preferring this
[10:10] <MooDoo> rhanks for that TheOpenSourcerer didn't know about that
[10:11] <diplo> Get my server here on Monday, so going to boot up some VM's to test and make a decision on a panel or just very good documentation
[10:12] <MooDoo> diplo: big powerful box?
[10:13] <AlanBell> diplo: a bit, the big issue is separation, it also tries to do too much of the DNS stuff, and does email etc
[10:13] <diplo> Hand me down from the company that owns us, but fairly powerful.. not seen it or been given specs
[10:14] <MooDoo> diplo: cool, I want a big server for vmware
[10:14] <AlanBell> there is a rather nice core i7 980ex with SSD for €78/month there
[10:14] <diplo> yeah, we have them in nottingham but nobody again knows what they're doing and also if the line drops I can't work on them
[10:15] <MooDoo> diplo: give me lots of money and I'll go look after them for you ;)
[10:15] <MooDoo>  lol
[10:15] <AlanBell> we also find that with cpanel everyone continues to not know what they are doing :)
[10:15] <MooDoo> I suppose it does bring out the laziness in people :)
[10:15] <diplo> Basically, each staff member knows how to do there thing, they never look for whats causing an issue they just reinstall etc
[10:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\there\their
[10:16] <diplo> Never helps, so with my documentation I've added issues part to the bottom, issues that occur and how to resolve in common cases
[10:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\whats\what's
[10:16] <MooDoo> diplo: they need a kick up the jacksy :d
[10:16] <diplo> heh :P
[10:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:16] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, I type badly when typing fast.
[10:16] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[10:16] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 even :D
[10:16]  * diplo slaps own wrist
[10:17] <diplo> MooDoo: They do!
[10:17] <MooDoo> diplo: i've got a good size 11, what's the address ;)
[10:17] <diplo> Colwick trading estate :)
[10:18] <diplo> I know where it is,  if you saw the *serveR* room you'd laugh :)
[10:18] <MooDoo> diplo: i know it's colwick i was teasing :D
[10:20]  * TheOpenSourcerer might have found some sport for next Sunday: https://twitter.com/BOYCEYSPIZZA/status/357472308358680576/photo/1
[10:20] <AlanBell> go for it!
[10:21] <MooDoo> awesome, i'd have a go at that :d
[10:22] <diplo> I'm not sure I can handle hot stuff like I used to
[10:22] <MooDoo> ghost chilli is nice
[10:22] <diplo> About to start making currys again soon, so will see how I get on with them first
[10:23] <MooDoo> bhut jolikia mash is a stable part of my weekend bacon cob routine :D
[10:23]  * TheOpenSourcerer needs to prepare his food plan.. Wife and kids go to France for a week next Thursday.
[10:24] <diplo> how come you're not going TheOpenSourcerer ?
[10:24] <brobostigon> bachelor life for a week,
[10:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> They are camping. I do not camp
[10:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Would rather stick Bhut Jolokias in my eyeballs
[10:24] <brobostigon> i like my bath too much, i dont camp either.
[10:24] <diplo> hah, taking my kids camping next month. Love it
[10:25] <MooDoo> going to bakewell this weekend with the family :D
[10:25] <brobostigon> i should try glamping,
[10:25] <MooDoo> lol
[10:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Having said that, I *might* camp at the West Dean Chilli fiesta this year, but just one night and a little one-man tent jobby.
[10:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: Nice
[10:27] <SuperMatt> http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/nine-traits-of-the-veteran-network-admin-222513
[10:27] <MooDoo> davmor2: handing having rents with a van sometimes ;)
[10:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: indeed, if the mother-in-law wasn't in hospital we would of gone off to Shropshire this weekend
[10:29] <MooDoo> :(
[10:30] <brobostigon> would most agree, that the when the charge light on a camera is red, it is charging?
[10:31] <MooDoo> brobostigon: flashing? or just on
[10:31] <brobostigon> MooDoo: just on,
[10:31] <popey> I would read the manual to find out
[10:32] <brobostigon> i cant find the manual.
[10:32] <MooDoo> +1, what camera brobostigon ?
[10:32] <davmor2> popey: pffff call yourself a man the manual went in the trash with the box ;)
[10:32] <popey> I meant - get a pdf
[10:33] <davmor2> popey: at least you are sounding like a geek now :D
[10:33] <brobostigon> MooDoo: it is one of my dads cheap digital cameras, it says, traveler dv-500, on the caseing.
[10:33] <davmor2> brobostigon: get the pdf from the manufacturers website
[10:33] <brobostigon> davmor2: good point, yes.
[10:34] <MooDoo> pah ah video camera
[10:35] <brobostigon> yes.
[10:35] <MooDoo> the don't have a historical page, try this one.
[10:35] <MooDoo> http://www.traveler-service.de/cms/index.php?id=downloads-traveler-dv550hd-uk0
[10:36] <brobostigon> MooDoo: thank you, i just foundthat same page myself also.
[10:36] <davmor2> brobostigon: did you hear the disdain from MooDoo for it not being a stills camera then :D
[10:36] <brobostigon> davmor2: it can take pictures also, it is both.
[10:37] <MooDoo> brobostigon: a blinking light confirms charding a stable light is when it's completed.
[10:37] <MooDoo> brobostigon: "You must use the supplied AC charger or USB cable.camera must be turned OFF; a blinking
[10:37] <MooDoo> light confirms charging, but the light is steady when charging has been completed."
[10:38] <brobostigon> stable of any colour ?
[10:38] <MooDoo> brobostigon: that's from the 550 manual, i know nothing more :p
[10:38] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i am looking in the 5000 manual right now.
[10:39] <MooDoo> thought you said it was a 500?
[10:39] <MooDoo> did I miss a 0?
[10:39] <MooDoo>  lol
[10:39] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i think we both did abit, i think i did correct myself.
[10:40] <MooDoo> brobostigon: i'm blind :F
[10:40] <MooDoo> :F
[10:40] <MooDoo> arrrgh can't type either.
[10:40] <brobostigon> ohwell, thats both of us then.
[10:40] <brobostigon> :(
[10:41] <brobostigon> wow, the manual says it has motion detection, amazing.
[10:48] <SuperMatt> I wonder, has anyone had much trouble with dejadup? I'm thinking of using it to back up some of my stuff, but I do kinda worry about it only keeping "updates"
[10:50] <popey> eh?
[10:50] <popey> it's just like rsnapshot / time machine / rdiff-backup
[10:52] <SuperMatt> yeah, but I mean... I worry about losing the first file, which means the backup is broken completely
[10:53] <popey> you could worry about losing any file in any backup
[10:53] <MooDoo> if you're worried about that, why not just use rsync to another drive/server?
[10:54] <SuperMatt> I guess
[10:54] <SuperMatt> I guess  I get a little too paranoid
[10:55] <MooDoo> me too why is why i rsync to a server and then rsync the server to a nas lol
[10:56] <SuperMatt> I might just give dejadup a bash
[10:56] <davmor2> SuperMatt: Keep 1 manual backup (have a look at the server guide for a good script) and then keep a regular dejadup backup,  If you aren't happy with what you get from dejadup you can always rebase from the manual
[10:58] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: just get davmor2 to set it up for you, he's nice like that ;)
[10:58] <davmor2> MooDoo: no! and me and nice in the same sentence don't make me set czajkowski on you
[10:59] <SuperMatt> Oh I know what I'm doing with rsync, et all
[10:59] <SuperMatt> you should see some of the scripts I've made in the past
[10:59] <MooDoo> davmor2: she's not interested in me, she might however stab you completely :D
[10:59] <SuperMatt> but I'm just thinking of a low thrills, minimum interaction alternative
[11:00] <davmor2> SuperMatt: the thing with dejadup is it is convenient
[11:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: script + cron then you don't have to worry about running anything manually :D
[11:01] <SuperMatt> these days I look more for confenience than awesomeness
[11:01] <MooDoo> or what the heck, be a rebel and don't make backups...;)
[11:02] <SuperMatt> nooooooo
[11:02] <SuperMatt> no no no no no
[11:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: My point was if you wanted to try dejadup and weren't sure you could run a test, but have a manual backup initially, so that if dejadup couldn't restore etc you had an alternate backup that could
[11:02] <MooDoo> davmor2: okey cokey :D
[11:02] <davmor2> MooDoo: and play with code on production
[11:03] <SuperMatt> I'm talking about backs for home, btw
[11:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: playing with code on production is right though?  I thought that's what you should be doing, i've been advising people to do that ;)
[11:04] <SuperMatt> my work backup solution is a set of python scripts which scans a folder for the last version of a backup, and then does a hard linked backup of the latest data. When that's done, it then removes the oldest backup, all based on variables configured in json files
[11:04] <MooDoo> I just use cp -Rv ;)
[11:05] <MooDoo> i meant Ru
[11:05] <SuperMatt> that's not bad
[11:06] <SuperMatt> but the hard linked method is pretty cool, because you get snapshots of each sync and you can restore directly to that version
[11:06] <SuperMatt> copying across only one file, or all of them
[11:07] <popey> i just run rsnapshot on a server and it pulls from all my machines every 6 hours
[11:07] <penguin42> SuperMatt: Depending on the data have you considered pushing it into a git repo?
[11:08] <popey> neuro: that lazy delete thing isn't working out so well..
[11:08] <SuperMatt> it's all my music and phots
[11:08] <popey> neuro: 6 of them sat there
[11:08] <neuro> how slow/full is the storage you're using? :(
[11:08] <popey> should probably half the number of backups I am doing to give the deletes a chance to happen
[11:08] <SuperMatt> standard hdds, not full at all ;)
[11:08] <SuperMatt> I've just added 4TB
[11:08] <SuperMatt> to my previous 6TB
[11:09] <neuro> not you, ya tube :)
[11:09] <popey> 12x2TB 7200rpm jobbies
[11:09] <popey> btrfs volume, not too full
[11:09] <popey> but it's a microserver so IO is a little starved
[11:09] <SuperMatt> oh
[11:09] <popey> think I'll suspend the job for a bit, wait for it to settle then restart it with fewer jobs
[11:09] <popey> less frequent
[11:09] <neuro> shame
[11:10] <popey> its not a quick box
[11:10] <neuro> i know
[11:10] <popey> and backing up boxes which have lots of files
[11:10] <popey> 0 */2  * * *    /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly
[11:10] <neuro> tho i do my backups to a microserver
[11:10] <neuro> yeesh, really?
[11:10] <popey> maybe change that to */4 ?
[11:11] <neuro> neuro@saratoga:~$ sudo grep hourly /etc/cron.d/rsnapshot
[11:11] <neuro> 0 */4	* * *		root	/usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly
[11:11] <popey> hah
[11:11] <popey> done!
[11:11] <popey> will suspend them for the day and let the deletes happen though
[11:11] <neuro> unless you're desperate for the data to be updated that often, every 4 hours works for me
[11:11] <popey> yeah
[11:12] <neuro> my hourlies are done in about 75 minutes
[11:12] <neuro> + 20 for the delete
[11:12] <neuro> and that's backing up to 2x1TB USB2 in a raid1 md config
[11:14] <neuro> argh, i've run out of cold cherry 7up in my wee office fridge
[11:14] <SuperMatt> :(
[11:15] <MooDoo> neuro: beoff with you to the shops
[11:15] <SuperMatt> lemon fanta is my drink of choice
[11:15] <neuro> nah, i still have 8 cans left
[11:15] <neuro> just not cold
[11:20] <davmor2> neuro: you wee in an office fridge is that not unhygienic?
[11:20] <neuro> tsk
[11:21] <neuro> i have a wee, as in small, fridge
[11:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: he's scottish you know that :d
[11:21] <davmor2> neuro: I know that, it's just fun :D
[11:21] <neuro> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13137/Photo%2019-07-2013%2012%2019%2036.jpg
[11:22] <neuro> wow, that came out blurrier than i thought it would
[11:22] <SuperMatt> wait stop!
[11:22] <SuperMatt> why did that jpg load SIDEWAYS?
[11:22] <SuperMatt> oh wait, I know
[11:22] <neuro> because i had my phone held up in landscape mode"
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: because of its exif!
[11:22] <SuperMatt> the exif data has rotated it
[11:22] <neuro> :)
[11:22] <SuperMatt> TECHNOLOGY!
[11:22] <SuperMatt> it'll never catch on
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> neuro: aww, cute fridge :)
[11:23] <neuro> yeah, i likes it
[11:23] <neuro> holds 6 330ml cans
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> holds just enough beer for an afternoon of work ;)
[11:23] <neuro> or 2 330ml cans and a 500ml bottle of irn bru shoved in diagonally
[11:23] <SuperMatt> your mistake was not putting new cans back in when you drank the old cans
[11:23] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: You're a genius!
[11:23] <neuro> yes, thank you captain obvious :)
[11:24] <MooDoo> blast from the past :D - http://www.flickr.com/photos/jgbeezer/2689182642/in/photostream/
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> lugradians
[11:25] <neuro> the fridge in less cramped, more beery days: http://www.flickr.com/photos/neuro/293997137/
[11:26] <neuro> that old crappy switch is off to the right of the first pic now, replaced by an hp procurve. TECHNOLOGY!
[11:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: man that is but the best photo is this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/8038433@N06/2701522887/
[11:28] <neuro> christ, i never realised how hairy mrben is/was
[11:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: you git
[11:28] <davmor2> neuro: we didn't call him Chewie for the fun of it
[11:29] <neuro> i can beat that pic tho
[11:29] <neuro> probably nsfw: http://www.flickr.com/photos/neuro/2682684128/in/set-72157606256950381
[11:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: revenge is sweet ;) http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1328/799483638_b8983eddbd.jpg?v=0
[11:29] <neuro> AAAAAAAAH!
[11:29] <neuro> forgot about that
[11:30] <MooDoo> hehe
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> neuro: time for some brain bleach
[11:30] <bigcalm> Gah. I'm really struggling with how network routing works
[11:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: that was Chris Debona's first image walking into LRL for sponsorship to take it to the states :)
[11:30] <MooDoo> lol ha ha hah a
[11:31] <MooDoo> wasn't to bad an image then
[11:31] <MooDoo> i'm waiting for gong a thong uukpc edition, popey style ;)
[11:31] <neuro> NOOO
[11:31] <MooDoo> EXTREAME GONG A THONG :D
[11:31] <neuro> oh the humanity
[11:32] <Dave2> RMS should do it
[11:32] <neuro> *gag*
[11:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: Why? It's numbers, cables, and boxes :)
[11:32] <neuro> Dave2: thanks, nearly brought my breakfast back up there
[11:33] <Dave2> yw
[11:33] <bigcalm> I have a VPN set up from a Rackspace firewall to an ADSL router. I'm trying to route traffic from a box connected to the ADSL router to a server connected to the Rackspace firewall
[11:33] <bigcalm> And I can't work out how
[11:34] <davmor2> Dave2: Could you stay where you are the men in white coats are on their way, and they'll only have to dart you if you move
[11:34] <neuro> i'll move YOUR dart
[11:35] <MooDoo> get Jono to do it instead....he wouldn't mind ;)
[11:35] <bigcalm> # ip route add ip_address_of_server/32 via 192.168.5.1 dev eth0
[11:35] <bigcalm> RTNETLINK answers: No such process
[11:35] <bigcalm> 192.168.5.1 being the ip address that the VPN has assigned to the ADSL router for the VPN connection
[11:36] <neuro> grrr, time to lart chrome ... "GPU Process 1.3GB"
[11:36] <neuro> bigcalm: does your machine have an IP on the same subnet?
[11:37] <neuro> why not just route via the LAN-facing IP, and let the router's routing table sort it out?
[11:37] <bigcalm> neuro: no, it has an ip address of 192.168.1.4
[11:37] <neuro> ip route add ip_addr_server/32 via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0 or whatever
[11:37] <bigcalm> Right, tried that, it's stalling when I run mtr ip_address_of_server
[11:37] <neuro> which perhaps means the router is misconfigured
[11:38] <bigcalm> :|
[11:38] <neuro> think about it
[11:38] <bigcalm> Do I need to add a route do the box if the default route is via the router any way?
[11:38] <neuro> if you use the VPN-side IP of the router in a route, how does the machine get to that VPN-side IP?
[11:39] <bigcalm> I'm happy for the router to do the routing :)
[11:39] <neuro> can you ping the VPN IP on the router from rackspace?
[11:39] <neuro> or vice versa?
[11:41] <bigcalm> I've removed the route I added to the local box. Running mtr on the rackspace ip address shows packets being sent/received in the VPN's management screen
[11:41] <bigcalm> So that's working
[11:42] <neuro> what happens if you try to hit the rackspace VPN IP from the box?
[11:43] <bigcalm> The IP seems to be the same as its public ip
[11:43] <bigcalm> The only other rackspace IP I see is that of the firewall
[11:44] <neuro> don't you have a 192.168.5 IP on the other end?
[11:46] <mungbean> why do they put those pull-tabs on the corner of bacon packets? nbody has ever successfully opened a packet with one
[11:46] <neuro> lies
[11:47]  * popey wonders if mungbean is trying out his new stand up comedy routine on us
[11:47] <mungbean> lol.
[11:47] <mungbean> just tried it for the millionth time. one day...
[11:48] <mungbean> friday = bacon day
[11:48] <mungbean> at home doing daddy duty today while wifey has a day off
[11:48] <mungbean> going tough after < 5hr sleep
[11:49] <MooDoo> 5 hours is about the norm for me lol
[11:49] <mungbean> have a lol at an email MS sent me about the surface
[11:49] <mungbean> http://pastebin.com/GaBedKiz
[11:50] <mungbean> Why is Microsoft making such an aggressive Surface RT offer to education now?
[11:50] <mungbean> A. Microsoft has a long tradition of offering special pricing to education customers. Microsoft’s mission in education is to help schools, students and educators realise their full potential.
[11:50] <mungbean> not a firesale of 6M device then
[11:50] <popey> yeah, touchpad all over again
[11:50] <popey> but nobody wants them
[11:50] <neuro> does it say "LOLZ WE SUCK BARGAINS MUCH CHEAPNESS HAHA NO DO NOT BUY IPAD ZOMG BAD BY SURFAZZZZ LOOK CHEEP NOT MANY UKPS DDOOOOOOOO IIIIIITTTT!"
[11:50] <popey> if they were 100 quid, they'd fly off the shelves
[11:51] <neuro> s/touchpad/playbook/
[11:51] <mungbean> £133+VAT
[11:51] <mungbean> i might tile my bathroom with them
[11:51] <neuro> i see what you did there
[11:52] <popey> I think I'll pass on your generous offer
[11:52] <popey> I vowed not to buy any more phones/tablets till an ubuntu one appears
[11:53] <mungbean> i wouldn't buy one for any money
[11:53] <mungbean> or maybe a £20 limit if it runs kindle app
[11:54] <mungbean> the trouble with doing wife swap for a day is that you are doing a job that you haven't learned the timing and efficiencies, hence wifey says HA! told you
[11:54] <neuro> err, ok?
[11:55] <popey> my wife is at the park with the kids
[11:55] <popey> having a picnic (booboo)
[11:55] <mungbean> i'm not saying its easy, far from it. but it makes it look worse when i'[m always running late
[11:59] <neuro> right, updates application time, brb
[12:02] <mungbean> just realised i've hardly opened a single letter addressed to me since the start of 2013
[12:02] <mungbean> i just put it in my inpile
[12:09] <mungbean> dota2 looks meh
[12:10] <neuro> woo security updates ftw
[12:11] <neuro> well, security update, singular
[12:59] <MooDoo> silly question, anyone read this? - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ubuntu-Certified-Professional-Study-Guide/dp/0071591109/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1374238752&sr=8-4&keywords=ubuntu+certification
[13:04] <neuro> yes, i can read that
[13:04] <neuro> it's in English, right?
[13:05] <neuro> seriously though, it's almost 5 years old
[13:05] <neuro> no way is it up-to-date for either ubuntu or LPIC
[13:07] <shauno> I don't believe that certification exists anymore.  that's how out-of-date 2008 is
[13:40] <MooDoo> davmor2: http://i.imgur.com/IiO5aBa.png
[13:42] <SuperMatt> pfft
[13:42] <davmor2> MooDoo: O' be..have, groovy baby
[13:42] <MooDoo> :)
[14:40] <arc__> anyway when i upgraded to 12.04 i lost all of my packages and they where compatible with 12.04.1 so i am confused
[14:43] <popey> arc__: lost packages?
[14:44] <arc__> yeah it had an error when installing/upgrading saying that can't restore all packages
[15:02] <MooDoo> wow it does go quiet in here on a friday afternoon :D
[15:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: they are all parttimers so they can go drinking in the sun on a friday
[15:04] <MooDoo> lol
[15:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wow! Australia 97-7 lol
[15:08] <popey> speak for yourself davmor2 ☻
[15:08]  * popey is dogfooding
[15:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> davmor2: Some of us are still working
[15:08] <davmor2> popey: Oh so you are at the pub ircing on your phone then right ;)
[15:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> But the beer is definitely starting to call loudly
[15:09] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: I'll be working till 21:00
[15:09] <popey> davmor2: haha! kinda!
[15:10] <popey> I am setting up ssh keys etc on phone so it's ready for travel next week
[15:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'll be drinking way beyond that!
[15:10] <davmor2> popey: when do you head off?
[15:10] <popey> sunday
[15:11] <davmor2> popey: and when you see Jono, "Dave says 'Owamya LOSER"
[15:12] <popey> i dont think i could do your accent justice
[15:12] <MooDoo> popey: just screw up your face and say it, you'll be about right ;)
[15:13] <davmor2> popey: in all seriousness, tell jono all the best for marks talk that he is doing, I hope he does it justice :)
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> 104-8!
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Australia are collapsing
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> (muffled gafaw)
[15:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> W00t! 104-9
[15:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Need 58 runs to avoid the follow on. ROTFLOL
[15:30] <bigcalm> I can see clouds. Woohoo!
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: Finally, a place to store your data/backups ;)
[15:43] <bigcalm> :P
[15:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yay! Australia all out
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> "Computerphile" about the Unix revolution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rPPqm44xLs
[16:00] <popey> thanks MartijnVdS
[16:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: beautiful history :)
[16:04] <popey> might download these and put on phone for watching on the flight
[16:19] <popey> haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcR7ylW-Gok
[16:19] <popey> i know him!
[16:20] <popey> he brought his cabinet to lugradio
[16:23] <bigcalm> Oh I miss Defender
[16:25] <popey> i remember playing R-Type Leo on that very cabinet at LRL
[16:26] <directhex> i still want a neo geo, but i don't have money or space
[16:26] <directhex> hell, i lack the space for an xbox one or ps4, which are higher priority if we're honest
[16:45] <mungbean> can anyone recommend a good strimmer?
[16:52] <popey> i like mine
[16:53] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/diy-tools/dp/B00518BPHS one of them i think
[16:55] <davmor2> mungbean: depends do you actually want to own one or is it a one off strim?
[16:58] <davmor2> mungbean: if it's a one off strim look up a local hireshop
[16:58] <mungbean> own a cheap but ok one
[16:59] <mungbean> are the v cheap ones worse than useless?
[16:59] <davmor2> mungbean: in that case the decent cheap ones are all around a £100
[16:59] <mungbean> :(
[17:00] <mungbean> more than my lawnmower
[17:01] <davmor2> mungbean: well you can buy a cheap electric one but your emphasis seem to be on decent :P
[17:01] <mungbean> might borrow my mums..
[17:02] <mungbean> i sort of meant, if i spend 30 quid on an electric one , is it a comple waste?
[17:03] <popey> i have no recent experience of electric ones
[17:03] <popey> we bought that one 10 years ago, still going strong
[17:04] <davmor2> mungbean: the petrol ones tend to be better.
[17:05] <mungbean> my garden is pretty small
[17:05] <mungbean> might borrow my mums and go from there
[17:06] <popey> mine is small too
[17:06] <popey> takes no time at all to mow
[17:06] <davmor2> mungbean: borrow your moms this time, and hire a petrol one next time and see which is less of a faff it will help you decide :)
[17:07] <mungbean> astroturf :
[17:07] <mungbean> :D
[17:07] <davmor2> concrete
[17:08] <popey> heh
[17:08] <davmor2> mungbean: move into a block of flats and you too can have a balcony like mine :D
[18:10] <arc__> hi i have a question when i upgraded i lost all of my packages
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> arc__: how did you upgrade?
[18:10] <arc__> via live usb
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> so you did a re-install, not an upgrade
[18:11] <arc__> no it had a upgarde button
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> And upgrade is done from a running Ubuntu system
[18:11] <arc__> yes
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> not from the live USB/CD
[18:12] <arc__> i had 11.10 and i used a live usb to upgrade to 12.04.1
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> you shouldn't have used the live-usb, you should just have clicked "Upgrade" in the security update tool
[18:13] <arc__> if this help it said in the upgrade unable to restore packages
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> using the live USB just re-installs the operating system cleanly
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> popey: any idea?
[18:13] <popey> uh
[18:13] <popey> so you say "live usb" you booted from that live usb stick?
[18:13] <arc__> yeah
[18:14] <popey> did it finish okay?
[18:15] <arc__> yeah 1 error
[18:16] <arc__> could not restore packages
[18:16] <popey> right, so it failed
[18:16] <popey> unfortunate
[18:17] <popey> so what it does is this.. scan your system for packages it doesn't recognise, and then find all the files and re-package them up..
[18:17] <popey> then delete all the files (except home and etc) and do a clean install
[18:17] <popey> then takes those packages it made and puts them back on top
[18:17] <popey> thats the bit that failed
[18:17] <arc__> yes
[18:17] <popey> now I don't know if those packages are still lurking around somewhere on your filesystem, I don't fully know how that works
[18:18] <popey> sorry, I suspect your packages are gone.
[18:18] <popey> I'd be interested to know the solution though if they are still around, i've never done that kind of upgrade
[18:19] <arc__> shall i ask in #ubuntu
[18:19] <arc__> usa
[18:19] <popey> ok
[18:19] <popey> maybe post a question to askubuntu.com with the above detail about how you did the install, I'd be interested in following it
[18:20] <arc__> i will ask in #ubuntu and if no help i will use askubuntu
[18:27] <arc__> I am adding it to ask ubuntu now
[18:27] <arc__> i have put this Hello I did an upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 and all my packages have gone it only showed 1 error that the upgrade was unable to restore packages I am new to ubuntu so any help is good
[18:28] <arc__> anything else to add or to delete before putting it on
[18:58] <arc__> i have put it on there http://askubuntu.com/questions/321990/packages-gone-in-upgrade
[18:58] <arc__> have a look and answer plz
[19:18] <puttepop> Hello, any developers here?
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: developers of what?
[19:22] <puttepop> java with gnome bindings
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> probably better off asking on their channel specifically
[19:22] <puttepop> tried but it seems to be dead
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: it's on irc.gimp.org, #java-gnome, according to the googles
[19:23] <puttepop> yes I know :)
[19:23]  * penguin42 has never heard of anyone doing java+gnome
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> the mailinglist is a bit active
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> not much, but a little
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> doesn't Swing have a GTK+ theme?
[19:23] <puttepop> Oh, OK I'll subscribe to that then
[19:24] <puttepop> Yes, it does, but I wanted to learn GTK+ and java is my favourite language
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: try vala, it's written "for" GTK work, and has quite a few Java-ish bits ;)
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> and it's actively used by lots of stuff, like Shotwell
[19:25] <arc__> does anynoe know of any good desktop enviroments
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> arc__: I rather like the default one in Ubuntu (unity)
[19:25] <puttepop> MartijnVdS, what is vala?
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: https://wiki.gnome.org/Vala
[19:26] <arc__> i need a fast and light one for my laptop not lxde or xcfe
[19:26] <puttepop> MartijnVdS, thanks
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> arc__: why not those two?
[19:26] <arc__> i want it to look good and light weight
[19:27] <puttepop> MartijnVdS, Thanks for the pointer but I'm not interested in learning yet another programming language
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: it's not that much different from other modern languages
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: and you should always be learning more languages -- every language you learn has some concept you'll want to re-use in another (and that will make you better as a programmer ;)
[19:28] <puttepop> MartijnVdS, If I only had the time
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: but you do: it's the weekend!
[19:29] <puttepop> MartijnVdS, I also like to be a bit social :)
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: well the vala community is active
[19:30] <puttepop> MartijnVdS, OK thanks anyway
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> puttepop: np, and good luck finding gnome-java help :)
[19:44] <puttepop> MartijnVdS, Cheers :)
[19:53] <HoT|2fC^> hey up :)
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> \o HoT|2fC^
[19:53] <HoT|2fC^> Just ordered my first ever rack mount server :D
[19:53] <HoT|2fC^> I cant wait :)
[19:53] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: What type of spec?
[19:54] <HoT|2fC^> penguin42, its a Dual 2.4GHz Xeon, 3GB, 36.4GB HArd Drive, DVD ROM, with case all for £50
[19:55] <HoT|2fC^> currently downloading 13.04 ubuntu server for it :) doesnt come untill monday :)
[19:55] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: OK, cool - you'd be pushed to get the case and PSU for that; is that single socket dual core, or dual socket how many cores?
[19:56] <HoT|2fC^> its 8 cores I think
[19:56] <HoT|2fC^> x2 dual core
[19:56] <HoT|2fC^> xeon
[19:56] <penguin42> well #50 for somewhere between 4 and 8 cores ain't too bad - I mean I assume that's a P4 era xeon, but still
[19:56] <HoT|2fC^> It comes with 2 hotplug psu's case, all of them
[19:57] <HoT|2fC^> P4 yeah
[19:57] <HoT|2fC^> by HP
[19:57] <HoT|2fC^> \o/
[19:57] <penguin42> what's it going to be called?
[19:57] <HoT|2fC^> Lucy
[19:57] <HoT|2fC^> :-)
[19:58] <penguin42> good good
[19:58] <HoT|2fC^> get spare hard drive caddy to :p
[19:59] <penguin42> yeh that's good they can be pricey - what type drives - wide scsi?
[19:59] <HoT|2fC^> HP ProLiant DL380 it is..
[19:59] <penguin42> which gen?
[19:59] <HoT|2fC^> G3 mate
[20:01] <HoT|2fC^> is it good ? :o
[20:01] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: Nod, might want to watch out for drives for it, SCA SCSI drives are a bit scarce/pricey these days
[20:01] <HoT|2fC^> :O
[20:01] <HoT|2fC^> comes with one so im ok :)
[20:01] <HoT|2fC^> 36gb is enuff for now
[20:02] <HoT|2fC^> most data thats going to be going on a hard drive will be my CCTV box recording on a 1TB hard drive an thats going to a switch along wi th the server.
[20:02] <penguin42> now, you going to get a Lak rack for it?
[20:02] <HoT|2fC^> Well not sure its going in the basement could I put it on top of a computer desk for time being ?
[20:03] <penguin42> oh yeh
[20:03] <HoT|2fC^> I would like a rack for it but im cheap so lol
[20:03] <HoT|2fC^> its nice a cool down there so should be fine on temps like in this heat we have  :p
[20:03] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: Oh no, the Lak is an Ikea table that just happens to be exactly the right width for rack kit :-)
[20:03] <HoT|2fC^> ah nice
[20:03] <HoT|2fC^> so its cheaper :p
[20:03] <HoT|2fC^> I was looking at this
[20:03] <HoT|2fC^> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/server-rack-6U-/200935795183?pt=UK_Computing_Rackmount_Cabinets_Frames&hash=item2ec8b4e9ef
[20:03] <HoT|2fC^> to small or big?? for my 2U G3?
[20:04] <penguin42> http://wiki.eth0.nl/index.php/LackRack
[20:04] <HoT|2fC^> you dutch ? :p
[20:04] <penguin42> no
[20:04] <HoT|2fC^> oh just said .nl at end of domain lol, ah nice thats a good idea
[20:05] <HoT|2fC^> I have a desk down there but the width isnt the same so wouldnt work unless sI boxed it off
[20:05] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: Watch out for the depth of racks if you're buying one, also did it come with rack mounts?
[20:06] <HoT|2fC^> penguin42 I dont think so :/
[20:06] <HoT|2fC^> Dimensions (W x D x H): 8.59 x 44.45 x 65.41 cm
[20:06] <HoT|2fC^> Weight: Minimum configuration: 20.41 kg ; Maximum configuration: 27.22 kg
[20:07] <penguin42> oh a light one :-)
[20:07] <HoT|2fC^> :-)
[20:09] <shauno> that depth doesn't seem to match up.  the ebay link said 310mm deep, those dims are 445mm deep
[20:10] <HoT|2fC^> shauno yeah need a different size its something I would want for it :)
[20:10] <HoT|2fC^> the type of cabbie
[20:10] <shauno> I tend to stick to 2-post for short setups.  those short racks tend to be for comms cabinets
[20:11] <HoT|2fC^> :o
[20:11]  * penguin42 never figured out why they never managed to standardise depth of rack kit
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: they had to have *something* to disagree over
[20:12] <HoT|2fC^> lol
[20:12] <HoT|2fC^> I dont mind ill put it on the floor and sit on it whilest configuring it lol so really dont mind :)
[20:12] <HoT|2fC^> http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/funny-cable-mess-server-room.jpg
[20:12] <penguin42> well yeh, but it's really hard to get n vendors kit to fit in the same rack
[20:12] <HoT|2fC^> Glad I dont have to mess around in there lol
[20:12] <penguin42> where n is greater than 0
[20:14] <HoT|2fC^> so penguin42 will the table trick work then :) I might buy one in black an use that along with a 24port switch
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: the IKEA one? Probably
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> http://wiki.eth0.nl/index.php/LackRack
[20:14] <HoT|2fC^> so what about the back? how would it support it
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: how would you do that in a real rack?
[20:16] <HoT|2fC^> you wouldnt :)
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> the same, then
[20:16] <HoT|2fC^> but I mean like how does it hold in the wood lol
[20:16] <HoT|2fC^> remember there metal racks not wood :)
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: see that wiki page
[20:16] <HoT|2fC^> Ikea to ouch wouldnt that to crumble
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: I think proper wood screws hold better than the flimsy metal I've seen in racks
[20:17] <HoT|2fC^> ah ok :)
[20:18] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: In a real rack you'd typically have rack rails that bolt front and back for a server
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> and have an adjustable back part, so you could put that on the back legs of the table 8-)
[20:19] <HoT|2fC^> cool :D
[20:19] <penguin42> yeh although tend to be adjustable by slightly less than needed for the rack you're trying to put it in
[20:20] <HoT|2fC^> for now its going on my desk raised on something
[20:20] <HoT|2fC^> to let it breath underneight
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: to quote one "J. Clarkson": "How hard can it be?"
[20:20] <penguin42> sigh
[20:20] <shauno> one thing to watch with the rack lack .. the legs aren't solid all the way down
[20:21] <HoT|2fC^> whos legs arent shauno
[20:21] <HoT|2fC^> :p
[20:21] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I've used racks with adjustable back rails, and ones that have the back rails split into 4 independently adjustable rails split every 10u or so
[20:21] <HoT|2fC^> only body builders :D
[20:21] <HoT|2fC^> right moff to cool off next to fan :) bb all thanks for all advice!
[20:21] <HoT|2fC^> great help.
[20:58] <SuperMatt> hmmm, replacing my fonts with source sans make everything look quite fresh, and beautiful