[00:49] is u1db the old thing that got scrapped or the new thing that replaces it? [01:15] Why am I awake? [01:17] temperature [06:43] morning all [07:03] Morning all [07:04] aloha [07:08] dwatkins: oi you know that's czajkowski's saying :) lol [07:10] it is? [07:10] I just tend to pick a random greeting each day. [07:10] g'morning! [07:10] goedendag [07:13] dwatkins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goedendag ? [07:20] so how is everyone at the moment? glad it's friday? [07:20] very glad indeed, it's been a crazy week here in Edinburgh [07:20] is canonical still doing ubuntu certification with the lpi? [07:21] MartijnVdS: haha, I meant "good day" in Dutch, of course ;) [07:21] dwatkins: that's what it usually means ;) [07:21] MooDoo: VERY glad it's friday [07:21] "Good morning, or a scary looking mace thing, depending on the context" [07:22] dwatkins: You only have to worry if you have a French accent, according to apocryphal sources ;) [07:23] I always thought "apocryphal" meant "contested". [07:23] dwatkins: "of dubious authenticity" [07:23] ah ok, not far off [07:23] dwatkins: (there's only one source for the "French-stabbing" origins of the Goedendag name) [07:26] That's ok then, it probably didn't maim too many people... [07:34] * TheOpenSourcerer starts writing a draft review of some beer... [07:34] TheOpenSourcerer: yay! :) [07:35] TheOpenSourcerer: positive or negative? [07:35] Only tried the Broeders so far - but that was lovely ;-) [07:36] "draft" ... badum tschhhh..... [07:36] doooooo [07:37] dwatkins: careful, you'll get TheOpenSourcerer HOP-ing mad on that one. [07:37] lol - it'll not get published for a while... Need to try the Dark Roast yet and get AlanBell's input too. [07:37] I think there's a grain of truth to that, MooDoo... [07:37] * AlanBell input one of the light beers [07:37] dwatkins: thanfully the jokes are mild [07:37] was rather yummy [07:38] MooDoo: Friday-level jokes [07:38] Just so long as the review isn't gassy. [07:38] just keep it all low gravity [07:38] someone got an iPhone handy? [07:38] want to test something [07:38] yeah AlanBell - 4S === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:14] good morning everyone, [08:20] wotcher brobostigon [08:20] \o [08:20] morning dwatkins [08:20] morning MartijnVdS === alan_g|EOD is now known as alan_g [08:44] Morning all [08:45] morning [08:50] hi there i was told here to upgrage to 12.04.1 lts to fix my cpu fan error but it hasn't worked [08:50] my laptop now has overheated [08:51] Good morning all, happy Friday, and happy Soyuz 14 Landing Day! :-D [08:52] Shame: http://www.h-online.com/features/The-Final-H-Roundup-1919816.html [08:54] The H is going away? [08:54] Didn't fabsh work for them? [08:54] http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/The-H-is-closing-down-1920027.html [08:54] yep [08:55] fabsh killed The H? :-P [09:01] MartijnVdS: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2013/07/bier-vandestreek/ === scott__ is now known as smitherz82 [09:08] TheOpenSourcerer: Wow, thanks :) [09:08] TheOpenSourcerer: Sent it to my brothers [09:08] They've already picked it up on twitter [09:10] Will point my dad at it as well ,he likes strong beers and trying new stuff [09:10] Guys, web dev stuff I know is OT but :) [09:11] Their shop doesn't work for me - so I don;t think you can actually buy it yet... [09:11] you can send them an email to order if you really want it [09:11] or use the Dutch-language shop [09:11] I'm trying to clean up some CSS which has acrued over the years, basically want a way of checking through a CSS file and see if all elements are used in the code [09:12] kk, I may order it as a treat. Cheers [09:14] awww man, sads to see the H going :( [09:22] in chromium, is there a sync alternative that doesn't use google? [09:38] just rebuilt my vps to ubuntu lts, yay vps o/ lol [09:41] my vps is 13.04 [09:42] debian testing here. [09:42] don't need to upgrade to the latest version, LTS is fine :D [09:43] same on my laptop LTS is fine for the moment :d [09:44] my vps is 13.04, but my laptop, desktop and *work* pcs are 13.10 [09:44] I like to be on the edge [09:44] heh [09:45] well seeing as my vps just runs a minecraft server and irssi, i don't need anything else :d [09:45] oh, mine runs my website, email, etc [09:46] SuperMatt: yeah I could do that, but I just use works systems and google for mail :D [09:46] but I like to run the latest stable releases of stuff [09:46] I'm slowly phasing google out of my life [09:46] SuperMatt: how come? [09:46] tt-rss :) [09:46] just... because [09:46] yup, I run tt-rss [09:47] crappy excuse but i'll not pry ;) [09:47] there's no real reason for it, but I mostly got fed up with relying on others for my stuff [09:47] i run owncloud also, so stores contacts, calendar etc. [09:47] SuperMatt: wise [09:47] SuperMatt: I know how you feel on that one :d [09:47] of course, I do have to rely heavily on a single company to provide my vps [09:49] but that's unavoidable [09:49] SuperMatt: get a server at home :D [09:49] heh [09:49] naw [09:50] I'm happy with the company I'm with because my friend works for them [09:50] SuperMatt: ah! :) [09:50] hah, i used to run popey.com from a compaq proliant at home [09:52] never had issues with ports popey ? [09:52] nope [09:52] but that was years ago [09:54] I'm paying £30 a month for 40gigs of disk and 1gig of ram [09:54] and it's pretty swift [09:54] just got 2gb 50gb 1 core, that'll do for me. [09:55] well, you need all that ram for minecraft ;) [09:55] lol [09:56] http://www.bigv.io/prices ftw. [09:56] SuperMatt: About £40 >> http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4 [09:56] you use them TheOpenSourcerer ? [09:57] We use Hetzner yes. [09:57] Have 4 servers there at the moment. [09:57] how... how are they making any money off that? [09:57] They've just introduced some new ones... http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-ex/ [09:58] what's the catch? [09:58] None we have found. [09:58] They are root servers, i.e. h/w so we look after everything on top. [09:58] They keep the metal working and the network working. [09:58] sure [09:59] Been using them for a couple of years now. [09:59] A couple of minor network outages in that time but nothing serious. [09:59] but surely the cost of procurement, networking equiptment, electricity and connectivity cost more than that? [09:59] TheOpenSourcerer: Ordering mine next month for work [09:59] i've heard so many people talking about them, can't be that bad then [09:59] SuperMatt: I do wonder the same, but I guess that's their problem :) [10:00] If it's good enough for TheOpenSourcerer, I guess it's worth a try, our current reseller causes me headaches [10:00] Only thing I'm not looking forward to is looking after it, got quite a workload atm [10:01] poor thing [10:01] My only issue is that I need a web hosting panel for other staff [10:01] Trying a few out atm [10:01] at the moment, I'm just messing around with name servers [10:02] They've just upped the bandwidth limits too - from 5TB / mnth to 20 TB [10:02] diplo: cpanel is the easiest i've foind. [10:02] found [10:03] * TheOpenSourcerer hates all of them [10:03] Yeah, but to buy a license it's quite expensive [10:03] Plesk is evil. [10:03] Cpanel is just crap. [10:03] I'd rather not TheOpenSourcerer, but staff aren't that great [10:03] i hate plesk [10:03] hmm, i quite like the idea of having my own server [10:03] it's not crap it does what it's supposed to and seems quite handy [10:03] not that I have a cp on this box [10:04] it doesn't provide adequate separation between customers [10:04] popey: me too, i just got this vps via work. [10:04] MooDoo: We have a customer for whom we look after some VMs. They run CPanel. [10:04] It is crap. [10:04] in your oppinion :p [10:04] In my *experience* [10:04] then again i'm only seeing it from a 1 customer / 1 cpanel point of view. [10:06] Looking at trying http://ajenti.org [10:07] Tried ISPConfig3 and Webmin/VirtualMin [10:07] then again why use a cp if you know what you're doing via command line. [10:08] I do MooDoo, other 17 staff don;t, they're worried if I or my colleague leave they may be a little screwed [10:08] lol [10:08] then you need to train them :D :p [10:08] They do stuff just to get it working, don't document *anything* [10:08] I've documented more in the last 3 years than all of them have in 17 years :/ [10:08] diplo: that's rubbish [10:09] and their own fault if anything goes wrong. [10:09] it isn't that it is a GUI that is a problem, that is fine [10:09] It is, it sucks.. but they are all using my documentation now [10:09] AlanBell: More that it does things non standard ? [10:09] quit and see what happend ;) [10:09] most of my documentation of my vps's are either in my head, or on several dozen post-it notes. not good. [10:09] That was m,y problem with a lot of them [10:09] This is quite a good idea too. You can bid for old tin that customers have stopped using: https://robot.your-server.de/order/market [10:10] brobostigon: if it's your vps it doesn't matter, when it's a companies that's where the problems occur [10:10] MooDoo: yes, certainly. [10:10] http://www.phpmyfaq.de/ started using this now, used to have ODT's etc everywhere, preferring this [10:10] rhanks for that TheOpenSourcerer didn't know about that [10:11] Get my server here on Monday, so going to boot up some VM's to test and make a decision on a panel or just very good documentation [10:12] diplo: big powerful box? [10:13] diplo: a bit, the big issue is separation, it also tries to do too much of the DNS stuff, and does email etc [10:13] Hand me down from the company that owns us, but fairly powerful.. not seen it or been given specs [10:14] diplo: cool, I want a big server for vmware [10:14] there is a rather nice core i7 980ex with SSD for €78/month there [10:14] yeah, we have them in nottingham but nobody again knows what they're doing and also if the line drops I can't work on them [10:15] diplo: give me lots of money and I'll go look after them for you ;) [10:15] lol [10:15] we also find that with cpanel everyone continues to not know what they are doing :) [10:15] I suppose it does bring out the laziness in people :) [10:15] Basically, each staff member knows how to do there thing, they never look for whats causing an issue they just reinstall etc [10:16] s\there\their [10:16] Never helps, so with my documentation I've added issues part to the bottom, issues that occur and how to resolve in common cases [10:16] s\whats\what's [10:16] diplo: they need a kick up the jacksy :d [10:16] heh :P [10:16] Morning all [10:16] TheOpenSourcerer, I type badly when typing fast. [10:16] morning diplo [10:16] morning davmor2 even :D [10:16] * diplo slaps own wrist [10:17] MooDoo: They do! [10:17] diplo: i've got a good size 11, what's the address ;) [10:17] Colwick trading estate :) [10:18] I know where it is, if you saw the *serveR* room you'd laugh :) [10:18] diplo: i know it's colwick i was teasing :D [10:20] * TheOpenSourcerer might have found some sport for next Sunday: https://twitter.com/BOYCEYSPIZZA/status/357472308358680576/photo/1 [10:20] go for it! [10:21] awesome, i'd have a go at that :d [10:22] I'm not sure I can handle hot stuff like I used to [10:22] ghost chilli is nice [10:22] About to start making currys again soon, so will see how I get on with them first [10:23] bhut jolikia mash is a stable part of my weekend bacon cob routine :D [10:23] * TheOpenSourcerer needs to prepare his food plan.. Wife and kids go to France for a week next Thursday. [10:24] how come you're not going TheOpenSourcerer ? [10:24] bachelor life for a week, [10:24] They are camping. I do not camp [10:24] Would rather stick Bhut Jolokias in my eyeballs [10:24] i like my bath too much, i dont camp either. [10:24] hah, taking my kids camping next month. Love it [10:25] going to bakewell this weekend with the family :D [10:25] i should try glamping, [10:25] lol [10:26] Having said that, I *might* camp at the West Dean Chilli fiesta this year, but just one night and a little one-man tent jobby. [10:26] MooDoo: Nice [10:27] http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/nine-traits-of-the-veteran-network-admin-222513 [10:27] davmor2: handing having rents with a van sometimes ;) === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [10:29] MooDoo: indeed, if the mother-in-law wasn't in hospital we would of gone off to Shropshire this weekend [10:29] :( [10:30] would most agree, that the when the charge light on a camera is red, it is charging? [10:31] brobostigon: flashing? or just on [10:31] MooDoo: just on, [10:31] I would read the manual to find out [10:32] i cant find the manual. [10:32] +1, what camera brobostigon ? [10:32] popey: pffff call yourself a man the manual went in the trash with the box ;) [10:32] I meant - get a pdf [10:33] popey: at least you are sounding like a geek now :D [10:33] MooDoo: it is one of my dads cheap digital cameras, it says, traveler dv-500, on the caseing. [10:33] brobostigon: get the pdf from the manufacturers website [10:33] davmor2: good point, yes. [10:34] pah ah video camera [10:35] yes. [10:35] the don't have a historical page, try this one. [10:35] http://www.traveler-service.de/cms/index.php?id=downloads-traveler-dv550hd-uk0 [10:36] MooDoo: thank you, i just foundthat same page myself also. [10:36] brobostigon: did you hear the disdain from MooDoo for it not being a stills camera then :D [10:36] davmor2: it can take pictures also, it is both. [10:37] brobostigon: a blinking light confirms charding a stable light is when it's completed. [10:37] brobostigon: "You must use the supplied AC charger or USB cable.camera must be turned OFF; a blinking [10:37] light confirms charging, but the light is steady when charging has been completed." [10:38] stable of any colour ? [10:38] brobostigon: that's from the 550 manual, i know nothing more :p [10:38] MooDoo: i am looking in the 5000 manual right now. [10:39] thought you said it was a 500? [10:39] did I miss a 0? [10:39] lol [10:39] MooDoo: i think we both did abit, i think i did correct myself. [10:40] brobostigon: i'm blind :F [10:40] :F [10:40] arrrgh can't type either. [10:40] ohwell, thats both of us then. [10:40] :( [10:41] wow, the manual says it has motion detection, amazing. [10:48] I wonder, has anyone had much trouble with dejadup? I'm thinking of using it to back up some of my stuff, but I do kinda worry about it only keeping "updates" [10:50] eh? [10:50] it's just like rsnapshot / time machine / rdiff-backup [10:52] yeah, but I mean... I worry about losing the first file, which means the backup is broken completely [10:53] you could worry about losing any file in any backup [10:53] if you're worried about that, why not just use rsync to another drive/server? [10:54] I guess [10:54] I guess I get a little too paranoid [10:55] me too why is why i rsync to a server and then rsync the server to a nas lol [10:56] I might just give dejadup a bash [10:56] SuperMatt: Keep 1 manual backup (have a look at the server guide for a good script) and then keep a regular dejadup backup, If you aren't happy with what you get from dejadup you can always rebase from the manual [10:58] SuperMatt: just get davmor2 to set it up for you, he's nice like that ;) [10:58] MooDoo: no! and me and nice in the same sentence don't make me set czajkowski on you [10:59] Oh I know what I'm doing with rsync, et all [10:59] you should see some of the scripts I've made in the past [10:59] davmor2: she's not interested in me, she might however stab you completely :D [10:59] but I'm just thinking of a low thrills, minimum interaction alternative [11:00] SuperMatt: the thing with dejadup is it is convenient [11:00] davmor2: script + cron then you don't have to worry about running anything manually :D [11:01] these days I look more for confenience than awesomeness [11:01] or what the heck, be a rebel and don't make backups...;) [11:02] nooooooo [11:02] no no no no no [11:02] MooDoo: My point was if you wanted to try dejadup and weren't sure you could run a test, but have a manual backup initially, so that if dejadup couldn't restore etc you had an alternate backup that could [11:02] davmor2: okey cokey :D [11:02] MooDoo: and play with code on production [11:03] I'm talking about backs for home, btw [11:03] davmor2: playing with code on production is right though? I thought that's what you should be doing, i've been advising people to do that ;) [11:04] my work backup solution is a set of python scripts which scans a folder for the last version of a backup, and then does a hard linked backup of the latest data. When that's done, it then removes the oldest backup, all based on variables configured in json files [11:04] I just use cp -Rv ;) [11:05] i meant Ru [11:05] that's not bad [11:06] but the hard linked method is pretty cool, because you get snapshots of each sync and you can restore directly to that version [11:06] copying across only one file, or all of them [11:07] i just run rsnapshot on a server and it pulls from all my machines every 6 hours [11:07] SuperMatt: Depending on the data have you considered pushing it into a git repo? [11:08] neuro: that lazy delete thing isn't working out so well.. [11:08] it's all my music and phots [11:08] neuro: 6 of them sat there [11:08] how slow/full is the storage you're using? :( [11:08] should probably half the number of backups I am doing to give the deletes a chance to happen [11:08] standard hdds, not full at all ;) [11:08] I've just added 4TB [11:08] to my previous 6TB [11:09] not you, ya tube :) [11:09] 12x2TB 7200rpm jobbies [11:09] btrfs volume, not too full [11:09] but it's a microserver so IO is a little starved [11:09] oh [11:09] think I'll suspend the job for a bit, wait for it to settle then restart it with fewer jobs [11:09] less frequent [11:09] shame [11:10] its not a quick box [11:10] i know [11:10] and backing up boxes which have lots of files [11:10] 0 */2 * * * /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly [11:10] tho i do my backups to a microserver [11:10] yeesh, really? [11:10] maybe change that to */4 ? [11:11] neuro@saratoga:~$ sudo grep hourly /etc/cron.d/rsnapshot [11:11] 0 */4 * * * root /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly [11:11] hah [11:11] done! [11:11] will suspend them for the day and let the deletes happen though [11:11] unless you're desperate for the data to be updated that often, every 4 hours works for me [11:11] yeah [11:12] my hourlies are done in about 75 minutes [11:12] + 20 for the delete [11:12] and that's backing up to 2x1TB USB2 in a raid1 md config [11:14] argh, i've run out of cold cherry 7up in my wee office fridge [11:14] :( [11:15] neuro: beoff with you to the shops [11:15] lemon fanta is my drink of choice [11:15] nah, i still have 8 cans left [11:15] just not cold [11:20] neuro: you wee in an office fridge is that not unhygienic? [11:20] tsk [11:21] i have a wee, as in small, fridge [11:21] davmor2: he's scottish you know that :d [11:21] neuro: I know that, it's just fun :D [11:21] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13137/Photo%2019-07-2013%2012%2019%2036.jpg [11:22] wow, that came out blurrier than i thought it would [11:22] wait stop! [11:22] why did that jpg load SIDEWAYS? [11:22] oh wait, I know [11:22] because i had my phone held up in landscape mode" [11:22] SuperMatt: because of its exif! [11:22] the exif data has rotated it [11:22] :) [11:22] TECHNOLOGY! [11:22] it'll never catch on [11:23] neuro: aww, cute fridge :) [11:23] yeah, i likes it [11:23] holds 6 330ml cans [11:23] holds just enough beer for an afternoon of work ;) [11:23] or 2 330ml cans and a 500ml bottle of irn bru shoved in diagonally [11:23] your mistake was not putting new cans back in when you drank the old cans [11:23] SuperMatt: You're a genius! [11:23] yes, thank you captain obvious :) [11:24] blast from the past :D - http://www.flickr.com/photos/jgbeezer/2689182642/in/photostream/ [11:24] lugradians [11:25] the fridge in less cramped, more beery days: http://www.flickr.com/photos/neuro/293997137/ [11:26] that old crappy switch is off to the right of the first pic now, replaced by an hp procurve. TECHNOLOGY! [11:27] MooDoo: man that is but the best photo is this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/8038433@N06/2701522887/ [11:28] christ, i never realised how hairy mrben is/was [11:28] davmor2: you git [11:28] neuro: we didn't call him Chewie for the fun of it [11:29] i can beat that pic tho [11:29] probably nsfw: http://www.flickr.com/photos/neuro/2682684128/in/set-72157606256950381 [11:29] davmor2: revenge is sweet ;) http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1328/799483638_b8983eddbd.jpg?v=0 [11:29] AAAAAAAAH! [11:29] forgot about that [11:30] hehe [11:30] neuro: time for some brain bleach [11:30] Gah. I'm really struggling with how network routing works [11:30] MooDoo: that was Chris Debona's first image walking into LRL for sponsorship to take it to the states :) [11:30] lol ha ha hah a [11:31] wasn't to bad an image then [11:31] i'm waiting for gong a thong uukpc edition, popey style ;) [11:31] NOOO [11:31] EXTREAME GONG A THONG :D [11:31] oh the humanity [11:32] RMS should do it [11:32] *gag* [11:32] bigcalm: Why? It's numbers, cables, and boxes :) [11:32] Dave2: thanks, nearly brought my breakfast back up there [11:33] yw [11:33] I have a VPN set up from a Rackspace firewall to an ADSL router. I'm trying to route traffic from a box connected to the ADSL router to a server connected to the Rackspace firewall [11:33] And I can't work out how [11:34] Dave2: Could you stay where you are the men in white coats are on their way, and they'll only have to dart you if you move [11:34] i'll move YOUR dart [11:35] get Jono to do it instead....he wouldn't mind ;) [11:35] # ip route add ip_address_of_server/32 via 192.168.5.1 dev eth0 [11:35] RTNETLINK answers: No such process [11:35] 192.168.5.1 being the ip address that the VPN has assigned to the ADSL router for the VPN connection [11:36] grrr, time to lart chrome ... "GPU Process 1.3GB" [11:36] bigcalm: does your machine have an IP on the same subnet? [11:37] why not just route via the LAN-facing IP, and let the router's routing table sort it out? [11:37] neuro: no, it has an ip address of 192.168.1.4 [11:37] ip route add ip_addr_server/32 via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0 or whatever [11:37] Right, tried that, it's stalling when I run mtr ip_address_of_server [11:37] which perhaps means the router is misconfigured [11:38] :| [11:38] think about it [11:38] Do I need to add a route do the box if the default route is via the router any way? [11:38] if you use the VPN-side IP of the router in a route, how does the machine get to that VPN-side IP? [11:39] I'm happy for the router to do the routing :) [11:39]