[00:25] <ChinnoDog> Anyone here familiar with Postgres?
[00:31] <ChinnoDog> Never mind. I answered my own question.
[00:31] <ChinnoDog> I was trying to figure out the Postgres installers.
[06:22] <InHisName> ChinnoDog: Nope, been busy while waiting for replies.
[09:33] <rmg51> Morning
[10:41] <jackson> morning rmg51
[12:07] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[14:23] <ChinnoDog> morning
[15:01] <teddy-dbear> o/
[15:15] <ChinnoDog> InHisName: Did you fix it now?
[18:23] <ChinnoDog> Seems like booting to CLI login is always complicated. I don't want X to start because I have a remote X server. Anyone know how the cleanest way to do this on KDE?
[18:28] <waltman> I think there's some way to change your runlevel during bootup, but I forget how.
[18:31] <waltman> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpstartHowto # this may help
[18:31] <ChinnoDog> I could configure another runlevel but modifying runlevel 2 would work just fine since I want all the normal stuff minus X.
[18:31] <ChinnoDog> Looking in etc/rc2.d I don't see a symlink for X or KDE though
[18:32] <waltman> I set my default runlevel to 2, but I'm weird.
[18:33] <ChinnoDog> There is a symlink for S99rc.local that goes to ../init.d/rc.local though. idk what that does
[18:34] <ChinnoDog> oh. It runs /etc/rc.local which does nothing by default.
[18:35] <waltman> I think I'm beginning to see how you end up trashing your fstab :)
[18:37] <ChinnoDog> :-p
[18:38] <ChinnoDog> I only trash the fstab during boot because the valid mount flags for ext4 and btrfs have changed since I originally created notes on how I want to mount them
[18:38] <ChinnoDog> I installed Mint KDE and added a mount parameter for ext4 that is apparently no longer valid.
[18:46] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: kdm.conf
[18:48] <ChinnoDog> Wouldn't that be called after X is started?
[18:48] <ChinnoDog> If I understand correctly X will start first and then KDE will be launched
[18:48] <jedijf> dm
[18:48] <ChinnoDog> However, I don't want X to start at all. I am going to start KDE from a remote terminal and X will be running there
[18:49] <jedijf> its the dm that starts the x
[18:49] <jedijf> g k fu etc
[18:50] <ChinnoDog> dm = ?
[18:50] <jedijf> dispolay manager
[18:50] <jedijf> dungeon master
[18:51] <jedijf> display
[18:54] <jedijf> waltman: must use debian - ubu has been runlevel vacant for years
[18:54] <ChinnoDog> I need to read more on this. ugh.. back to work for now
[18:54] <jedijf> not 6; do a gui
[18:55] <waltman> jedijf: 1) yes 2) huh
[18:55] <jedijf> upstart tee shirt ^^^^
[18:57] <jedijf> waltman: no easyy run level control
[18:57] <jedijf> by default
[18:58] <waltman> Wait, so if my new linux box at home runs ubuntu, I can't go to the command line first?
[18:58]  * waltman is old school
[18:58] <waltman> also old
[18:59] <jedijf> easily, in the old standard ways - try it
[18:59]  * waltman notes that this is an as-yet unpurchased new linux box :)
[19:11] <jedijf> waltman: when there were alt install cd's, there was an option for cli only install (w/desktop kernel)
[19:12] <jedijf> you could always do what i call a server plus install
[19:13] <ChinnoDog> Server install will have a number of other differences from desktop install
[19:13] <ChinnoDog> It used to have a different kernel build. idk if that is still true.
[19:13] <jedijf> correct - thats why best way was cli only
[19:14] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: re-read: < jedijf> waltman: when there were alt install cd's, there was an  option for cli only install (w/desktop kernel)
[19:14] <ChinnoDog> I used to do this when I first started using Ubuntu because I couldn't / wasn't ready to run Ubuntu on my main PC.
[19:16] <ChinnoDog> I ran Ubuntu on a headless workstation and remoted into it. Said workstation did not have much memory and since it was headless I did not need X running most of the time.
[19:53] <jedijf> alternate cli only is now 'minimal'
[19:54] <jedijf> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD#A32-bit_PC_.28x86.29
[22:42] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: So, a window manager manages windows on the screen, nothing else. But, I don't want that. I don't want any graphical UI to load.
[22:42] <ChinnoDog> I am going to use the remote window manager.
[22:42] <ChinnoDog> I just want to boot to a command prompt
[22:43] <ChinnoDog> Or rather, a CLI login prompt.
[22:43] <ChinnoDog> I only ever intend to login at the terminal when my Linux box is borked.
[23:06] <ChinnoDog> I did it!
[23:07] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: You were right. I edited /etc/init/kdm.conf and set it to not start on runlevel 2.
[23:12] <rmg51> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/boot-into-console-command-line-instead-of-x-549292/
[23:12] <rmg51> ChinnoDog: see if that helps ^^
[23:18] <ChinnoDog> I already made it work. I am good now. :-) Next challenge is starting KDE remotely.
[23:19] <rmg51> k
[23:19] <ChinnoDog> It initializes most of the way and then gets stuck. Not sure if I want the whole thing. Just the task bar would probably be ok.
[23:31] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: ye of NO faith
[23:32] <ChinnoDog> I didn't understand. Now I do.
[23:32] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: i was driving - couldn't really explain it completely but if you would have looked at file and seen "start on" i was /hoping/ you could of figured it out
[23:33] <jedijf> i even through in the #!6 reference
[23:33] <jedijf> threw
[23:34] <jedijf> that rmg51 link would work too
[23:34] <jedijf> and is probably the proper sysadminny way to do it
[23:35] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: also, i said display manager, not window manager - gdm kdm lightdm fudm etc
[23:36] <jedijf> check the logs
[23:50] <ChinnoDog> I believe you