[01:40] <manchicken> Is the kubuntu-ppa just KDE stuff?
[01:41] <tsimpson> KDE (SC) and whatever it needs
[01:41] <manchicken> I've been running on my VirtualBox at work with no problems at all, but I use my home machine differently, and it's not as easy to roll back my laptop as it is to roll back a virtualbox :)
[02:11] <manchicken> Anybody had a chance to review my merge request yet?
[03:04]  * ScottK pokes at JontheEchidna ^^^
[03:07] <manchicken> There's some lovely silliness on #kubuntu right now.
[03:16] <ScottK> Oh?
[03:17] <juancarlospaco> Uh?
[03:27] <manchicken> Holy crap... I forgot that trolling happened on IRC.
[03:27] <manchicken> I'm going to have to stop sooner than that.
[03:28] <ScottK> ;-)
[03:28] <manchicken> I can't do anything to help someone understand that HTML is not a GUI toolkit... I should accept that.
[03:30] <juancarlospaco> google QMLWeb and maybe it is
[03:30] <juancarlospaco> :)
[03:30] <manchicken> It still wouldn't be the toolkit.
[03:35] <juancarlospaco> its the markup, and its a toolkit
[03:35] <juancarlospaco> lol
[03:35] <juancarlospaco> is not THE toolkit
[03:35] <juancarlospaco> ia a toolkit
[03:35] <juancarlospaco> :P
[03:48] <ScottK> There is a reason I don't have out in #kubuntu.
[03:53] <ScottK> have/hang
[08:37] <Quintasan> urgh
[08:38] <Quintasan> any freaking idea why KDE doesn't have the Set as wallpaper on rightclick on a image file?
[08:38] <Quintasan> better yet
[08:38] <Quintasan> why it's STILL not there
[08:41] <Quintasan> https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/105319/
[08:41] <Quintasan> 5 months since last message
[08:41] <Quintasan> oh god
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:01] <soee> hiho
[12:07] <manchicken> Is kwin broken on the kubuntu-ppa?
[12:08] <manchicken> Ooh, I think that some of the kwin data may be trashed...
[12:09] <tester56> hi, does anyone know how to export all of the semantic data, apart from copying whole .kde?
[12:09] <tester56> which files/folders are responsible for storing this stuff?
[12:10] <tester56> is nepomuk backup meant to do this?
[12:10] <tester56> i don't want to lose all my tags, ratings etc. when migrating to a new install
[12:12] <BluesKaj> do you have a / partition ?
[12:14] <tester56> BluesKaj: i don't get the question
[12:14] <BluesKaj> then I don't get what you mean
[12:14] <tester56> how?
[12:15] <BluesKaj> where the new install is going
[12:15] <tester56> oh ... on a different ssd
[12:15] <manchicken> IS there any cache for kwin that I could delete or something?
[12:16] <BluesKaj> you could try dd , tester56
[12:16] <manchicken> I wonder if it's just that the oxygen window decoration isn't instlled... it's not showing up in the picker.
[12:16] <tester56> BluesKaj: I think you miunderstood my question ...
[12:16] <tester56> It's not about backing up my data ...
[12:16] <BluesKaj> obviously
[12:16] <tester56> It's about the hidden bits of Akonadi, nepomuk etc. 
[12:17] <BluesKaj> ok,nm , then I have no idea 
[12:17] <manchicken> This is the strangest thing... it's like kwin is functioning just fine but without any decorations.
[12:17] <tester56> When I tag somethin in dolphin it gets stored in some place
[12:17] <tester56> i wanted to know where it gets stored and how to migrate it without copying whole .kde directory
[12:18] <tester56> manchicken: pastebin output of kwin --replace & 
[12:18] <tester56> manchicken: pastebin output of kwin --replace & 
[12:19] <tester56> manchicken:  try backing up and deleting .kde/share/config/kwinrc
[12:19] <manchicken> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5893903/
[12:19] <tester56> manchicken: be careful: this will reset all you kwin settings
[12:19] <manchicken> Activities as well?
[12:20] <tester56> manchicken: only kwin settings ... but i am pretty sure it won't help as there seems indeed to be a problem with decoration: look at the line "KWin: The default decoration plugin is corrupt and could not be loaded.
[12:20] <tester56> "
[12:21] <manchicken> Yay
[12:21] <tester56> manchicken: try another decoration ...
[12:21] <tester56> like Laptop for e.g.
[12:22] <manchicken> Yeah...
[12:22] <tester56> and does it get loaded?
[12:22] <manchicken> w00t
[12:22] <manchicken> I had to replace kwin again
[12:23] <tester56> and now the decoration works?
[12:23] <manchicken> Yeah
[12:24] <manchicken> Though many of them don't seem to have a window shade icon. Curse them...
[12:25] <tester56> which decoration are you using now?
[12:26] <manchicken> NewAir
[12:26] <tester56> and what does not work?
[12:26] <manchicken> So it looks like the package in the PPA breaks the default decoration.
[12:26] <tester56> could be ... i don't use the ppa
[12:27] <manchicken> The default one, I don't know the name of the default one. I started with default 13.04 and then last night - since I hadn't had trouble with the PPA at work - I installed the PPA on my laptop.
[12:27] <tester56> The library /usr/lib/kde4/kwin3_oxygen.so has no API version 
[12:28] <manchicken> That leads me to believe that it's oxygen :)
[12:28] <tester56> yeah it is oxygen
[12:29] <manchicken> I'm gonna bounce X, see if activities start behaving without kwin being crashed and replaced.
[12:31] <manchicken> Sweet.
[12:45] <tester56> manchicken: try to start the guest session and see if things work there to be sure it is not config related
[12:45] <BluesKaj> manchicken, ??
[12:45] <manchicken> Back
[12:45] <tester56> manchicken: if things don't work simply purge the ppa 
[12:45] <BluesKaj> wth was that ?
[12:46] <manchicken> The theme messed up my other settings, so I had to change some stuff around and restart K, now I'm good I think.
[13:12] <yofel> tester56: when it comes to akonadi, it stores the data in .local/share/akonadi/ (or whatever else $XDG_DATA_HOME is set to), nepomuk's virtuoso database is in .kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/data/virtuosobackend/ but I don't know if that's all
[13:14] <tester56> yofel: i have found a nice method: in any pim application for e.g. kmail you have a menu entry "Export Kmail Data" (under tools) ... now you can export them .. you need to install mysql-client-5.5 though otherwise you get an error 
[13:14] <yofel> ah, nice
[13:14] <tester56> yofel: but do you know how nepomuk backups works?
[13:15] <tester56> i can't get it working :-(
[13:15] <yofel> not really, I never tried
[13:15] <tester56> I want wo export all my nepomuk data ... but the files seem empty 
[13:16] <tester56> i wen to systemsettings / Desktop Search / Backup /Manual Backup and typed in a zip archive name 
[13:16] <tester56> it says: successfully exported but ark can't see any files inside the  zip
[13:17] <tester56> it seems empty .. gunzip does nothing (it's gzip compressed)
[13:17] <tester56> does it work for you?
[13:20] <yofel> trying
[13:21] <tester56> thx :-)
[13:23] <yofel> typical... http://paste.kde.org/pdfaa4edc/
[13:23] <shadeslayer> ohai
[13:23] <yofel> next try
[13:25] <tester56> yofel: are you using 4.11?
[13:25] <yofel> yes, on 13.10
[13:26] <tester56> i have never got that crash ... so basically you can't even export?
[13:26] <yofel> well, now it didn't crash. But it didn't export anything useful either :S
[13:26] <tester56> what did it export?
[13:27] <yofel> a 4K file with nothing human readable inside
[13:27] <tester56> mine has 1,2 kb
[13:28] <tester56> how did you determin the content?
[13:28] <tester56> i can't even see whats inside 
[13:28] <tester56> looks like nothing 
[13:34] <tester56> yofel: ?
[13:35] <yofel> opnened it in vim. But all I see is 4KiB of garbage.
[13:35] <tester56> the zip file? or did you use another format?
[13:36] <tester56> i could not find documenation for this backup application ... how should it be handled?
[13:39] <yofel> I didn't see where I could set the format, I just choose a file and pressed next
[13:40] <yofel> hm, if I don't press finish, it keeps filling my xsession-errors with
[13:40] <yofel> 15:39:24 nepomukbackup(2530)/kio (KDirListerCache) KDirListerCache::processPendingUpdates: "/tmp/_CACHE_CLEAN_"
[13:40] <yofel> it's stuck on my firefox cache that I put into /tmp o.O
[13:43] <yofel> anyway, warrants a bug report
[13:43] <yofel> later anyway
[13:43]  * yofel off
[15:31]  * apachelogger_ looks at JontheEchidna
[15:31]  * apachelogger_ mentions https://code.launchpad.net/~manchicken/kubuntu-debug-installer/kubuntu-debug-installer/+merge/174915
[15:31]  * apachelogger_ leaves again
[15:32]  * genii sips and ponders this manchicken
[15:51] <tester56> yofel, are you here again?
[16:23] <Riddell> bonsoir a paris
[16:25] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where are you?
[16:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Munich
[16:31] <Riddell> ooh, home of the large Kubuntu rollout :)
[16:31] <shadeslayer> indeedly :)
[16:31] <Riddell> quick find a government office and take a sneaky look
[16:32] <shadeslayer> haha
[16:32] <shadeslayer> can't get out of the airport
[16:38] <shadeslayer> hm
[16:38] <shadeslayer> flight in another hour
[16:39] <shadeslayer> maybe I should go and check boarding
[16:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you didn't upload RC1 :(
[16:47] <Riddell> didn't I?
[16:48] <shadeslayer> don't see RC1 in http://pad.lv/u/kde4libs
[16:48] <shadeslayer> it seems you didn't upload kde4libs? :O
[16:49] <tester56> yofel: i tried exporting and importing on another install (with same home content) and the tags were not found 
[16:49] <yofel> file a bug please
[16:50] <tester56> yofel: what should i write about: writing it does not work is not enough ...
[16:50] <tester56> i can't debug that stuff :-(
[16:51] <yofel> well, vHanda_ will know more, but for starters you could enable kdebug output just for nepomuk* and attach the log to the report about backups being incomplete
[16:52] <tester56> yofel: okay thanks for your help
[18:04] <littlegirl> Hey there, I just filed a bug report at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=315380 on a bug that's apparently already considered resolved even though I can still consistently repeat it. When I asked the KDE people why it's considered resolved they said the software is obsolete. I'm just curious why there's obsolete software in the LTS. (:
[18:05] <littlegirl> Oh, and hi. I haven't been in here in a while. (:
[18:15] <maco> presumably it wasnt obsolete when it was put into the LTS
[18:15] <maco> if it has gone obsolete since then, it falls to the distro to maintain it
[18:15] <maco> though if it's in universe, not main, it still might not get much attention
[18:26] <Quintasan> littlegirl: Look, the bugreport says everything, 0.x branch is deprecated
[18:26] <Quintasan> littlegirl: I do not think we can update packages there now.
[18:26] <Quintasan> But I'm wondering if we don't actually have an update in ppa
[18:26] <yofel> newest is in the backports PPA
[18:27] <yofel> and 1.0 in precise-backports
[18:27] <yofel> I think that was about what we were able to do
[18:31] <littlegirl> Okay, thanks, that makes sense. (:
[21:56] <juancarlospaco> for some reason kubuntu its not installing on SSD right now  :(
[22:27] <ahoneybun> hey guys
[22:35]  * genii immediately suspects a Vertex2
[23:49] <Riddell> hi ahoneybun