[05:03] <bilboquey> bonjour
[05:03] <bilboquey> y a quel qu un
[06:05] <gedeo> hello
[06:05] <gedeo> is there anybody ?
[10:52] <James0r> Can anyone help me add a printer using Lubuntu 13.04?
[13:24] <TrophyMaster> Hello?
[13:24] <TrophyMaster> Oh good, anyone know how to give windows permanent "top layer" status so that you can keep, say, Pidgin on the top layer at all times?
[13:25] <TrophyMaster> I know that the Right Click -> Raise will place it higher but it doesn't seem to be permanent.
[13:35] <TrophyMaster> Guys, please some assistance here?
[13:41] <James0r2> Anyone know why my 'keyboard and mouse' settings won't stick in Lubuntu 13.04
[13:41] <James0r2> ?
[13:48] <Frank81> James what means stick?
[13:49] <James0r2> Frank81: stick as in saved upon clicking 'OK'
[13:50] <James0r2> Frank81: i've just read that this is a bug, at least in the 10.something release
[13:50] <Frank81> hmmmmm thats wirred
[13:50] <Frank81> ah ok that sounds logical
[13:50] <Frank81> :D
[13:50] <Frank81> i never expirenced it
[13:50] <James0r2> creating ~./config/lxde is supposed to fix this
[13:50] <James0r2> i did and it hasn't yet
[13:50] <Frank81> how about the permissions on that file?
[13:51] <James0r2> well it's supposed to create a config file in that directory but didn't
[13:51] <Frank81> oki so you created it now and gave him right permissions?
[13:51] <Frank81> and still it don't works?
[13:51] <James0r2> i didn't assign any permissions
[13:51] <James0r2> should I?
[13:52] <Frank81> maybe you should watch i think lxde whants to write to that file if it uses it as configuration file
[13:52] <Frank81> i know often some user create files as root or else and so he mixes up permissions
[13:52] <Frank81> it should be owned and be write able by your user account
[13:52] <James0r2> i tried this as root as well
[13:53] <Frank81> and in case that this isn't a typo it should be ~/.config/lxde
[13:53] <Frank81> not the ./
[13:53] <James0r2> same problem, the settings are returned to default either way
[13:53] <James0r2> sorry yes typo
[13:53] <Frank81> look if the file is realy there
[13:53] <Frank81> and look who is owning it and who can write to it
[13:53] <James0r2> it's not
[13:53] <James0r2> no file
[13:53] <Frank81> then create the file open a console ^^
[13:54] <Frank81> and type in the following ^^
[13:54] <James0r2> k
[13:55] <Frank81> mkdir ~/.config
[13:55] <James0r2> that directory already exists
[13:55] <James0r2> just /lxde doesn't
[13:55] <Frank81> echo "### lxde conf ###" > ~/.config/lxde
[13:55] <Frank81> then this
[13:55] <James0r2> k
[13:56] <Frank81> is the file now in the folder do "ls ~/.config/
[13:56] <James0r2> you mean ls ~/.config/lxde?
[13:56] <Frank81> no lxde is the file ls shows content of a directory
[13:56] <James0r2> it just says bash folder already exists
[13:56] <Frank81> so it was right
[13:57] <Frank81> ah so there is a folder called lxde maybe
[13:58] <James0r2> this is what i read...
[13:58] <James0r2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxinput/+bug/563530
[13:58] <James0r2> it describes the issue with the missing folder
[13:58] <Frank81> ah thats the answer
[13:58] <Frank81> then create the folder do at command line
[13:58] <Frank81> mkdir ~/.config/lxde
[13:58] <James0r2> folder is created already
[13:58] <James0r2> done
[13:59] <Frank81> do you know how to see and change owner of files and folders?
[13:59] <James0r2> i think by right clicking on the folder right? i don't know permissions in command line
[13:59] <Frank81> ya right clicking is ok
[14:00] <Frank81> so who owns that folder and what permissions does it got?
[14:01] <James0r2> my user owns it and the 'change settings' was set to 'only owner and group'
[14:01] <James0r2> i changed it to "anyone"
[14:02] <James0r2> tried to change the keyboard settings once again and just back to default
[14:08] <James0r2> Frank81: i figured it out. I've seen multiple posts now about bugs with lxinput which is the GUI for adjusting keyboard and mouse delay
[14:08] <James0r2> Frank81: one post suggested using xset to manually set them in terminal
[14:09] <James0r2> Frank81: worked like a charm.
[14:09] <Frank81> tada i am so happy that it is now working for you
[14:09] <Frank81> :D
[14:14] <James0r2> yep!
[14:20] <James0r> unfortunately that is only a temporary fix because after you re-login the settings are returned to default
[14:20] <James0r> looking into how to save settings...
[14:22] <James0r> i'm pretty new to linux and distros but this seems like a pretty big oversight
[14:35] <James0r> still can't seem to fix this
[14:35] <James0r> uninstalled and reinstalled the lxinput package but that didn't do the trick
[14:44] <James0r> anyone else have lxinput issues?
[15:05] <James0r> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm\
[15:05] <James0r> ccccccccccccccccccccccc\\\\\
[15:05] <James0r> yikes sorry about that
[18:19] <Naphatul> how can i add programs to autostart at boot?
[18:21] <Naphatul> i'm not seeing a startup applications menu entry
[18:21] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Boot_Install_Login
[18:22] <SonikkuAmerica> Aaaaaaand Unit193 beats me again in the foot race.
[18:22] <Naphatul> will that start up for every user?
[18:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Not if it's in your ~/.config/autostart/ dir
[18:23] <SonikkuAmerica> (~ == your home folder, of course!)
[18:23] <Naphatul> hmm any way to get it to start up without even logging in?
[18:23] <Naphatul> i can't figure out how to add services to upstart
[18:24] <SonikkuAmerica> Naphatul: Put them in /etc/xdg/autostart/ instead
[18:26] <Naphatul> small problem, inadyn (dynamic dns updater) doesn't have a .desktop file
[18:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Make sure you understand any .desktop file you put in /etc/xdg/autostart/ runs at every user's startup
[18:28] <Naphatul> but i want it to be started before loging in
[20:01] <Newk> hi.. i am looking how to disable pcmanfm's desktop function.. anyone knows where to set that?
[20:06] <Unit193> Newk: /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart
[20:09] <Newk> Unit193: ah great so if i remove the --desktop option its done ... how to change the wallpaper image without the desktop?
[20:10] <Unit193> That's up to you. :P
[20:11] <Newk> i guess the same picture that we see at lightdm
[20:12] <melodie> bonjour
[20:13] <melodie> quelqu'un saurait m'aider pour la personnalisation d'un fichier "ubuntu-text.plymouth" ?
[20:13] <melodie> je voudrais savoir à quoi correspondent les lignes:
[20:13] <Unit193> !fr
[20:13] <melodie> hi
[20:14] <melodie> could someone help me with the customization of a "ubuntu-text.plymouth" file? I'd like to know what the lines black, white, brown, blue, are for?
[21:05] <joshu_> hi
[21:06] <joshu_> i'm looking for some advice on how to start with a standard lubuntu install and strip out everything I don't need besides some basic features.
[21:06] <Unit193> joshu_: How about installing via mini.iso and installing lubuntu-core?
[21:07] <joshu_> hi Unit193 is that a better alternative?
[21:07] <Unit193> I think it's a good one, I'd recommend installing lightdm and the gtk greeter too, though.
[21:08] <melodie> hi joshu_
[21:08] <Unit193> melodie: It's for coloring the basic text boot.
[21:08] <joshu_> the functionality I need is: full laptop hardware support, network connectivity via ethernet and USB modem, cisco VPN, freerdp and printer/ scanner support.
[21:08] <melodie> didn't you find something without anything in it to do so ?
[21:08] <melodie> hi Unit193
[21:08] <joshu_> hi melodie
[21:08] <melodie> I just figured out "black" must be for the background
[21:09] <melodie> white nothing special
[21:09] <melodie> brown for a text message on top
[21:09] <melodie> and probably blue for the title ?
[21:09] <melodie> but I don't know what other file knows in plymouth, what these colors stand for? And if this is a specific Ubuntu choice or not ?
[21:10] <joshu_> Unit193 from what I mentioned ubuntu mini + lubuntu-core + liightdm gtk greeter?
[21:10] <melodie> joshu_ I have worked on light Ubuntu Openbox versions, but for 12.04 only so far. I started with a Ubuntu Mini Remix to do so: you could easily strip one and add whatever you want in it
[21:11] <Unit193> Plus whatever applications you think you need, building up can be easier than stripping out.
[21:11] <melodie> I can point to a page with some descriptions if you are interested
[21:11] <joshu_> melodie yes please I am tech savvy but have no experience with custom ubuntu building so I can use some help
[21:12] <melodie> with pleasure
[21:12] <melodie> is it allowed here?
[21:12] <melodie> I could also use the help of a tech savvy once a while !
[21:12] <melodie> :D
[21:13] <melodie> I love doing custom isos and we are a few ones doing so at our forum
[21:13] <joshu_> melodie what forum?
[21:13] <melodie> forum.linuxvillage.net :)
[21:13] <joshu_> melodie maybe we can speak more in private if you're interested?
[21:13] <melodie> I am
[21:43] <joshu_> Unit193 to do what you suggested. If I setup a virtual machine for testing do I just boot the ubuntu mini iso, install and then do sudo apt-get install lubuntu-core?
[21:46] <phillw> joshu_: that sounds like a plan to me :)
[21:47] <joshu_> phillw hi does that result in an OS that supports the same hardware as a standard lubuntu install?
[21:49] <phillw> joshu_: yes, if you are using 13.04, then https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall/JasonOdoom will actually work (It's the staging area for 13.10) and does make life a little easier as it uses tasksel.
[21:50] <joshu_> phillw do you suggest that I use the latest 13.04 for this?
[21:53] <phillw> joshu_: it is entirely upto you which you use, if it is pre 13.04, then use the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall/
[21:54] <joshu_> sure just seeking advice
[21:54] <phillw> I'm not sure when lubuntu-desktop and lubuntu-core were added into tasksel, I do know that they are there in 13.04 onwards.
[21:54] <Unit193> joshu_: Yep, mini "Command line install" and then sudo apt-get install lubuntu-core, yep.
[21:55] <Unit193> phillw: Tasksel doesn't really do much, just calls apt-get install $metapackage
[21:55] <phillw> Unit193: as jonathan pointed out it's there in  tasksel certainly from 13.04 and saves you that step, as you get the tasksel window anyway :)
[21:56] <Unit193> (Not if you use "Command line" install.)
[21:56] <phillw> it does :)
[22:21] <joshu_> is there a difference between ubuntu-core and lubuntu-core?
[22:42] <melodie> joshu_ of course there is a difference!
[22:42] <melodie> see at ubuntu-packages.com and whatch the list of files for each one
[22:43] <melodie> http://packages.ubuntu.com/ *
[22:43] <Unit193> (ubuntu-core doesn't exist, for one thing.)
[22:43] <Unit193> !info ubuntu-core
[22:43] <melodie> Unit193 maybe was he talking about ubuntu-minimal ?
[22:45] <Unit193> That's a pretty minimal metapackage, no DE/WM or display server.
[22:47] <joshu_> ok I downloaded this iso http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso and I'm going to install on a virtual machine now and see what happens
[22:55] <melodie> joshu_ a mini iso is meant to be used as a netinstall version, and not fit to create a spin
[22:55] <melodie> I have done that too when I started
[22:55] <joshu_> ok I was just going to follow Unit193 suggestion
[22:56] <melodie> joshu_ Ubuntu Mini Remix is the one to do what one need when it comes to make a small fit for everything, however this too has taken me lots of time before I figure out which are the packages don't belonging to a core which where missing
[22:57] <melodie> this is why I invited you to fork the one small version I did
[22:57] <Unit193> joshu_: You are just looking to install something minimal, as you first stated, right?
[22:57] <melodie> and I also plan to publish all the modified configuration files with the relevant patches as soon as possible, in a clear file tree
[22:58] <joshu_> Unit193 yes the goal is to create a minimal OS which supports the laptop hardware and the minimal functionality that I need.
[22:59] <joshu_> I understand that there are numerous ways to do this, but I'm just looking for any way which will allow me to achieve this goal within the next couple of days ;)
[23:02] <joshu_> I chatted with someone yesterday on #ubuntu who suggested that I start with a standard lubuntu install and strip out stuff until I'm left with the functionality I need and then create a preseed image. I joined the lubuntu channel today to further ask about this and how to get started, But as you've suggested Unit193 you would do it the other way..start with ubuntu mini and add functionality...
[23:03] <genii> It's easier to add things than remove things.
[23:03] <Unit193> Yes, it makes more sense to me to add whatever function you need rather than trying to get rid of everything you don't.
[23:04] <joshu_> ok
[23:09] <joshu_> so what's the deal with ubuntu mini versus using ubuntu mini remix as melodie suggests?
[23:13] <melodie> it's easy to add things as long as you know what the system needs, if you don't know that you need, let's say for instance: *libc6-dev*
[23:13] <melodie> you have no way to find out
[23:14] <melodie> I had to scrool through lubuntu filesystem.manifest to find out, and get to take note about it and a few more with trials and error
[23:14] <melodie> errors
[23:14] <melodie> joshu_ told us he does not have many weeks in front of him to do what he needs to
[23:15] <melodie> to scroll*
[23:15] <Unit193> That's why gcc, build-essential, and many other things depend on it...
[23:15] <melodie> I did a diff between my filesystem.manifest file and the one in lubuntu, with some special options
[23:16] <melodie> Unit193 build-essential is not needed in the build directory to make an iso that works
[23:16] <melodie> I stop talking here: the point is I can help
[23:16] <Unit193> Hence "Gcc and many others"
[23:17] <melodie> just a handful, not that many once the main metapackages are installed
[23:17] <joshu_> melodie I appreciate that and I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm just trying to understand the options that are being suggested to me
[23:17] <melodie> joshu_ I don't mind about it, I would not offer my help if I didn't know it's not that easy to start with.
[23:18] <melodie> I had done special remasters at pclinuxos the last years, one meant to be easy to build on. :)
[23:18] <melodie> I want to redo this with ubuntu
[23:18] <melodie> however it will not be as small, because easy in Ubuntu means a bit more to add
[23:19] <melodie> going for good now, good night :)
[23:21] <joshu_> so Unit193 for the time being as melodie has left for the night…I have installed ubuntu mini 13.04 in a VM as command line and answering the questions, guided partitioning..now I followed the guide you phillw sent me
[23:21] <joshu_> I did this
[23:21] <joshu_> sudo -i
[23:21] <joshu_> apt-get install lubuntu-core
[23:21] <joshu_> apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:21] <joshu_> apt-get autoclean
[23:21] <joshu_> rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb
[23:21] <joshu_> reboot
[23:23] <Unit193> OK, so what's up?
[23:25] <joshu_> well as I'm "flying blind" have I done it right this far?
[23:25] <Unit193> Sure, when you rebooted, did you see a lightdm login?
[23:25] <SonikkuAmerica> joshu_: Somewhat. You can also install Ubuntu Tweak to do the cruft-cleaning process for you, but (a) it's a PPA (you may not know what that is), and (b) doing anything else with it is risky business.
[23:26] <joshu_> hmm lightdm? I got a login screen small man avatar with different users, keyboard layouts, and some other options gnome open box, lubuntu etc
[23:33] <joshu_> so login in some of the options don't work such as open box black screen, gnome/openbox, lubuntu works
[23:34] <joshu_> looking around in the menu it seems as if more things get installed then I thought a core install would be e.g. firefox. Maybe it's just me and I'm not looking for the perfect minimal 100% clean system as I don't have the skill or time for that.
[23:36] <Unit193> Yeah, having a browser by default is a bit odd, yep, but my guess is that something depends on www-browser, and none was installed.
[23:39] <joshu_> Unit193 i hope you don't me being direct, but as you understand this a lot better than I do can I please explain/ guide me on how you would go about this?
[23:40] <Unit193> I'm still here, sure.  What do you need?  One thing I would do is check /usr/share/xsessions/ for the invalid sessions and remove/back them up.
[23:43] <joshu_> so even though I've install ubuntu mini and then lubuntu-core I need to start removing things because more stuff has been added than I need? Have I got that right?
[23:44] <Unit193> I'm wondering what installed those, actually.  Can you  pastebin the output of dpkg -S /usr/share/xsessions/  ?
[23:44] <Unit193> joshu_: There may be a few bugs in it, it's not used all that often as far as I know, but should still be pretty minimal.
[23:45] <joshu_> lubuntu-default-settings, openbox: /usr/share/xsessions
[23:45] <joshu_> Unit193 bugs in ubuntu mini?
[23:46] <Unit193> Interesting.
[23:46] <joshu_> if ubunu mini isn't used that often then isn't it better to use whatever else people use to create a custom ubuntu?
[23:53] <Unit193> I was saying the lubuntu-core package, but still is used/useful.
[23:54] <joshu_> ok
[23:55] <joshu_> just didn't seem very "core" to me when all those things get installed.
[23:55] <joshu_> if I did this instead of the lubuntu-core, apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop
[23:56] <phillw> joshu_: then you did not get lubuntu-core
[23:57] <canin> Anyone know info on how to make a .deb for *ubuntu and even better, a PPA. I want to convert arch packages...
[23:58] <joshu_> phillw I did lubuntu-core but I was just thinking if I had done lubuntu-desktop with the no-install-recommends..it would install additional things? as Unit193 said core isn't used that often then would this option be better?
[23:59] <Unit193> !packaging | canin
[23:59] <Unit193> joshu_: -core will get you less, if you look at the metapackage source, you can see the entire list of what it should install.