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Kilosmorning weekenders06:36
magespawngood morning all07:29
Kiloshi there magespawn 07:35
Kilosyo kbmonkey 08:39
Kiloswhats with the funny nick monkey 8OWAAKTB2 08:50
Kilossjoe net splits day again09:07
Kiloswb Cantide ThatGraemeGuy Tonberry  and others09:08
Tonberryhallo09:08
Cantidehey Kilos et al '-';09:08
Kiloshehe 09:09
magespawnstill in here today, apart from net spilts09:10
Kilostracking working magespawn yay09:11
Kiloshows things your side?09:11
Kilosyou are starting to get busy like our other geeky types09:11
magespawnall good, doing some study work09:12
Kilosgood09:12
magespawngeeky types are always busy, not always with work though09:12
Kilosno sometimes it slips out that its ingress wars09:13
Kiloshehe09:13
magespawnindeed, did some myself recently, do not have any competition out here 09:15
Kilosjust as well or youd also be busy09:16
magespawnalso getting info and lessons on how to write apps for android09:17
SquirmMorning09:18
Kiloshi Squirm 09:18
* Squirm steps into the conversation09:18
SquirmI wanted to code Android apps, but then I realised it'd be good if I knew Java, which I don't09:19
SquirmI guess I'd still like to learn09:19
magespawnhey Squirm09:19
Squirmhello magespawn, Kilos 09:19
magespawnthere are a whole bunch of lessons etc available09:20
SquirmI know. But I think I'd rather learn C first09:20
Squirmor C++09:20
magespawndo you know any languages?09:21
SquirmI knew PHP and Delphi a few years ago, now I code in Python09:22
Squirmand have done a bit of BASH scripting, not nice though :/09:23
magespawnwell you are ahead of me then, i am still learning python, as my first09:23
magespawni did some basic ages ago but that is about it09:23
Squirmgood start09:23
SquirmI like Python09:24
magespawnsuperfly influence09:24
Kiloslol09:24
Squirmand if you need help, just shout09:24
=== ThatGraemeGuy_ is now known as ThatGraemeGuy
KilosOracle to halt development of Sun virtualization technologies09:25
Squirm:/09:25
Squirmwell there goes my VirtualBox09:25
Kilosoracle really messing up there09:25
magespawnwill do, i was looking for a simple project to watch/participate in, hopefully one that was just starting09:26
Squirmwell, guess it'll still work just no updates coming09:26
magespawnis the code for that open source?09:26
Squirmmagespawn: that's the problem with me and coding - I need something worthwhile to partake in09:26
Squirmidk09:26
magespawnmaybe sonebody else will take it up09:26
magespawnsomebody09:27
SquirmI'd think it quite a common VM technology for desktop machines09:27
magespawnthere is a lot of support from google for android dev09:27
magespawnso lots of resources09:27
Squirmlicensed under GPL09:28
Squirmah, found the code09:28
Squirmhttp://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.2.16/VirtualBox-4.2.16.tar.bz209:28
magespawnnow there is a project to run with09:28
SquirmI wouldn't use it to run my server software on though09:28
Cantidewas the "4 days" countdown for Juju?09:31
Cantide( on ubuntu.com) 09:31
magespawnno idea09:33
Cantidei was expecting something awesome >.<09:33
Cantideand then Juju appeared there -.-09:34
magespawna well, bit of a let down i take it?09:52
* magespawn has beeen reading the sight09:52
Cantideyeah09:52
magespawnit could be interesting to set it up 09:55
Cantidejuju?09:55
magespawnwell, a cloud system across multiple physical machines09:56
Cantide'-';09:56
Cantideif there were 9 machines09:56
Cantidewould it be cloud 9?09:56
* Cantide hides09:56
magespawnhttp://www.ubuntu.com/cloud busy reading here09:57
magespawnlol @ Cantide09:57
* Cantide clicks09:57
* magespawn tries to smack Cantide with a trout and misses09:59
* Cantide eats the trout10:00
Cantidei should get lunch10:00
Cantidebrb10:00
magespawnlunch is a most excellent idea10:00
* magespawn goes for lunch bbl10:00
* Cantide invites everyone over for biltong and coffee10:11
Cantidestrangest lunch ever :D10:12
Kilosyummy10:12
Kilosbiltong always good10:12
Cantideyeah.. but not for a meal :p10:12
Cantideit was just in my room, and i am lazy.. so..10:13
Kilosbest meal ever10:13
Kiloshi Mezenir 10:16
Kilosyo mazal 10:24
mazalMiddag oom10:25
=== Cantide is now known as CantiAFK
magespawnafternoon10:33
magespawnfriend of mine like biltong and chocolate10:34
magespawndoes anyone have experince with line bonding?10:34
magespawntypos all over the place today10:36
Squirmmagespawn: what lines are you looking to bond?10:43
SquirmI know we've recently bonded 4 lines through mweb10:43
Squirmthough Telkom being Telkom, our sync rates are terrible, terrible enough to warrant us only using 3 of those 4 lines :/10:45
Squirmstupid exchange is the bottleneck afaik10:45
mazalAnybody know what the package cairo is ?10:47
mazalI'm trying to leant to compile an app from source , but I get an unmet dependency 'cairo' , and apt-get doesn't know it10:47
mazallearn even10:47
Kilosi seen a libcairo10:50
Kiloslook in synaptic and see what its for10:50
Squirm"The Cairo 2D vector graphics library DirectFB build"10:55
Squirmlibcairo-directfb210:55
* Squirm shrugs10:55
* Squirm wonders what it's worth trying to attach his phone to his quadcopter and flying it via the live stream...10:56
Kiloseish10:56
Kilosfones are expensive10:56
magespawnSquirm: i was wondering if the added cost is justified with added speed?11:04
magespawnto bond say 4 * 4 mb lines?11:06
magespawnmight actually be cheaper to go another route11:10
Squirmyou basically pay for 4 lines11:21
Squirmand the modem11:21
Squirmand your lines sync at the speed of the slowest line. so if one of your lines sync at say 3meg, they all sync at 3meg11:22
SquirmI don't know the exact cost though11:22
magespawnty will have to look into then11:24
magespawnhome time later all11:24
Squirmbbl too11:27
Squirmso what's everyone up to this lovely Saturday afternoon?12:16
not_foundo/13:51
Kiloshi not_found 14:19
not_founduncle Kilos, how are you (except cold)?14:20
Kiloslol good ty lad , and you?14:20
not_foundalways good thanks :)14:24
not_foundthe wife, daughter and I are all doing karate now :p14:24
Kilosgreat14:24
Kilosdo they do karate in ahab lands14:24
not_foundthe daughter is going for her first grading (for yellow belt) and she has only been doing this for a month now :)14:24
not_foundsure, it is a sport after all :)14:25
Kilosthought they did date throwing14:25
not_foundcamel tossing14:25
Kiloslol14:25
Kiloswhat style 14:25
not_foundthe arabs have a wide interest but really like football the most14:25
not_foundone of nuvolari's hero's with the helicopters is from the UAE14:26
not_foundstyle of karate? Shotokan...14:26
Kiloslol14:26
Kilosaha14:26
not_foundwhen I was a wee lad I went up to green belt in Goju-kai... now I am a little white belt struggling to do an hours excercise :p14:27
Kilosgreat that the family is all doing it14:27
Kiloslol14:27
not_foundI was dragged kicking and screaming :p14:27
Kilosis the sensei and arab?14:31
kbmonkeyhi Kilos 14:33
kbmonkeyhi not_found 14:33
not_foundKilos: nope, indian14:33
Kilosyo kbmonkey 14:33
not_foundhiya kbmonkey :)14:33
Kilosah14:33
not_foundjust read this http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/07/20/1311204/muon-neutrino-to-electron-neutrino-oscillation-conclusively-shown and now my brain hurts >.<14:35
Cantideahhhhhh14:37
Cantidehttp://phandroid.com/2013/07/19/ubuntu-edge-smartphone-leak/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter14:37
Cantidei wonder how true this is :)14:37
not_foundbeen speculating about this yesterday when I saw the post on the planet...14:39
not_foundif it is true it is looking good!14:39
not_foundsome more light reading :p http://test.ubuntu-discourse.org/t/countdown-gone/59614:40
* Cantide clicks14:40
Cantideit needs a bit less bezel though :/14:40
not_foundI guess it all depends on the specs etc... but I suspect the edge swiping is easier with some bezel as opposed to the full screen of some newer phones14:46
Cantideyeah, good point14:47
Cantidestill, about half that on the top and bottom would be nice :)14:48
SquirmCantide: it's like the S3 though14:48
Squirmlooks like the same amount on the top and the sides14:49
Cantidehmm14:49
Cantidetrue that..14:49
Cantidethe S3 just hides it better :p14:49
Squirmyes14:49
SquirmI think the rounded corners hide it more14:49
not_foundalways difficult to judge from pictures IMO14:50
Squirmand there is the front camera, led and proximity sensor in front14:50
Squirmso it's kind of broken up14:50
Cantideyup14:50
Cantideand used14:50
Cantideseems to have a purpose at least14:50
Cantidebut empty bezel looks like wasted space14:50
Cantidejust imho :p14:50
Squirmreminds me of the HTC14:50
Cantideyeah14:50
* Squirm still waits for Ubuntu Touch for his S314:50
Squirm:/14:50
not_foundeverything is working now for S3 except making calls :p14:51
not_foundthe gsm side of things broken14:51
SquirmOn the Ubuntu website I also saw the hardware volume control is not working14:51
not_foundah not sure about that... was looking at a ROM that is on xda-devs...14:52
Cantideheh14:52
SquirmBoth cameras work properly, as well as the flashlight. No video recording14:52
Cantideanything for the S4 yet?14:52
Squirmnot_found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i930014:52
not_foundI am pretty sure that the info and stuff on xda will be more up to date14:52
SquirmCantide: nothing here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices14:52
* not_found @ work so can't go there now14:53
Squirmnot_found: probably14:53
not_foundit is in the i9300 sub forum someplace14:53
Squirmhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=206814:54
Squirmlooks good though14:56
not_foundsri lanka is smacking the proteas around today :(14:56
Cantidethis is why i watch rugby instead >_>14:56
not_foundah yes, sri lanka suck at rugby14:57
not_foundthen again the proteas too14:57
Cantide<_<14:57
not_found^_^14:58
Kiloslol14:58
not_foundreally stoked to see Valve put their money where their mouths are and supporting Linux so much thus far :) - I will be playing a lot of Dota 2 just to show support (oh and it is an awesome game)15:06
Cantidei bought a humble bundle and play the games on steam15:09
Cantidecompiz crashes now and then though -.-15:09
not_foundyup, I also got steam codes for all the humble games...15:12
=== Kilos- is now known as Kilos
not_foundanother awesome game is awesomenauts :D15:20
Cantideoh!15:21
Cantidei play Awesomenauts a lot >_>15:21
not_foundwe should play one day Cantide ... I have only played vs AI so far so I have much to learn15:28
Cantideoh..15:28
Cantideyeah, i started like that15:28
Cantideand then against hoomans15:28
Cantideand the other day i tried AI again... just not the same :p15:28
not_foundyup... need to make the jump vs real I and not AI :p15:29
Cantide:p15:32
Cantidedo iiiiit15:32
Cantidethe game puts you into level categories15:32
Cantideso you will play against people of similar skill15:32
Squirmnot_found: is Dota 2 out on Linux??15:34
Cantidei believe so, yes15:34
not_foundyup15:34
Squirmhmm, maybe I'll start playing15:34
not_foundwas in beta for a week and now out for last two days15:34
Cantidehttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/07/dota-2-now-available-on-steam-for-linux?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28OMG!+Ubuntu!%2915:34
Squirmtend to get over it quite quickly though15:34
not_foundI installed it a few hours ago and works great15:34
Squirmhmm15:34
Squirmbig download though15:35
not_foundSquirm: Clan-ZA15:35
Squirmso may have to wait till tomorrow15:35
not_foundyup... it is big15:35
Squirmnot_found: I'm useless15:35
not_foundjoin the club :D15:35
SquirmI used to play, few years back. but things change a lot, then they hit Dota 2 and things CHANGED15:35
not_foundI am also still on AI opponents in Dota... lots of time to learn15:35
not_foundloved the original15:35
SquirmI enjoyed Dota 2 though15:36
Squirmjust need to learn everything again. A lot of recipes have changed :/15:36
not_foundjust about everything is different (except the concept)15:39
not_foundneed to send a mail on the mailing list and see if we can get 10 guys together to play a bit :) (or at least 5)15:40
Squirmyeah, I'll let you know when I've tried it out15:40
SquirmI have a whole pile of invites if anyone needs15:41
not_foundnot needed anymore... game is officially released15:42
not_foundI also had something like 15 of them...15:42
Squirmcool15:50
not_foundwatched a game that was being played live from the interface and because some of the players had custom HUD's and announcers I had access to them for the duration of the time I was watching.... was awesome to have to announcer be from the game Bastion :D15:52
not_foundoh and if anyone here is a mechwarrior fan google mechwarrior tactics...15:54
Cantidetitanfall looks good :)15:57
not_foundhaven't heard of it yet (will check it out when possible)15:59
not_foundnice thing of mechwarrior tactics is it is using unity in a browser to it *should* work in Linux (I haven't tried yet but will soon)16:00
SquirmI played Mechwarrior who knows how long ago16:04
not_foundwell this is based on the figurines and is a turn based strategy game...16:05
Squirmhmm16:06
not_foundfor a laugh search youtube for mechwarrior tactics total biscuit vs angry joe :)16:06
not_foundgives a good indication of the game16:06
inetprogood evening16:34
not_foundinetpro: alo16:34
Kiloshi inetpro 16:34
inetproehlo not_found, Kilos16:35
inetprowhat's happening in here today?16:35
not_foundwaffles16:35
Kilosmin16:35
inetpronot_found: ooh nice16:35
not_found:)16:36
* inetpro very hungry now16:36
not_foundlol16:36
inetproand even feels like I need some extra waffles today after doing a bit of plumbing in the house16:37
not_foundeverything is better with waffles16:38
inetprohad to replace a +40 year old leaking stop valve in the roof16:38
not_foundnice it lasted that long16:39
inetproyep, and I hope the new one will last as long as well16:40
not_founddunno, they don't make stop valves like they used too :p16:41
inetproquite a mission to replace without proper tools16:41
inetpronot something I do everyday16:41
not_foundI guess not16:42
Kilostop valve?16:42
inetproat least all is sorted again 16:42
Kilosthat pressure thing above a geyser?16:42
inetproKilos: yep one of those taps by the geyser16:43
Kilosah16:43
Kiloswell done16:43
Kilosjack of all trades16:43
* not_found doesn't know a top valve from a stop valve16:43
* not_found did see a geyser once16:43
inetprodamn thing started dripping when I had to close and open the valve a few days ago 16:44
inetprobeen running up and down on a daily basis to make sure the bucket didn't fill up16:46
not_found:)16:47
Kilosai!16:47
inetprosuperfly: Happy Birthday sir! 16:49
Kilosoh my, every thing of the best superfly 16:50
not_foundah yes...16:50
not_foundbest for the day and the year superfly :)16:51
not_foundwhere is the cake?!16:51
Kiloshmm... coffee and cake could be good16:52
inetproKilos: do you perhaps know a glue or silicon that I can use to fix the inside of an old tap? Have this tap with a small ridge inside causing a small leak which the rubber is not closing properly16:53
Cantidesuperflyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy~ happy birthday :)16:53
Kilossome times you can make a tool you push down in there and chew the ridge even again16:54
inetproif I turn it hard enough it stops leaking but the kids can't close it properly16:54
Kilostry just reface the ridge16:54
inetproand to replace the tap I would have to break the washbasin16:55
Kiloseish16:55
inetprovery difficult to get in there16:55
Kilosoh ya you need a kinda bobbejaan with a swivel neck16:56
inetprorefacing the ridge sounds like what I need to do, but how?16:56
Kilosso you can work from under it16:56
Kilosi once ground a big drill bit to fit in the hole with a shoulder to trim the edge16:57
* inetpro wbb17:00
Kilosalso maybe one of those boring tools for making big holes in trees with the adjustable cutting edge17:01
Kilosai!17:01
Kilosor even gringing stone you fit in the front of a drill17:05
Kiloswith a flat base17:05
Kilosgrinding17:06
Squirminetpro: you can replace the washer17:10
Squirmthe little rubber piece in the tap17:10
Kilosoh ya but sometimes there is a tiny groove in the ridge Squirm 17:11
Kilosactually weird but water wears it away if there is a slow lek17:11
inetproSquirm: https://plus.google.com/114254397525521567468/posts/KGiTAGuRPQJ17:39
inetproI replaced the rubber17:40
Kilosinetpro, is there a tiny dip or groove in the ridge?17:41
inetproKilos: you can see it clearly in that fhoto17:41
Kilosi cant man17:42
Kilosjust some darker patches17:42
inetprohmm... where are you looking?17:43
Kiloslol everywhere17:44
inetprolook on the inside ring, there's a brownish gap at about 00:0217:44
inetproor perhaps even 00:01 until almost 00.0517:45
Kilosthose darker patches?17:47
Kiloswhere is the thread you screw the tap down with17:47
inetproKilos: no this is looking from above with the tap removed17:48
inetprothe tap get's screwed on there17:49
Kilosso the inside ring is where the seal surface is17:49
inetproyebo yes17:50
Kiloshow deap is it worn away?17:50
Kilosdeep17:50
inetprothe rubber should be flush on top of that inside ring17:50
inetproif I turn the tap hard it closes properly17:51
inetproat least 1mm17:51
Kilosso that ridge that seals is not smooth and level?17:51
inetproyep17:52
Kilosok17:52
inetprobut you gave me a good idea17:52
Kiloshow big is the centre whole17:52
inetproshould be able to grind it smooth17:53
inetproeish, didn't measure17:53
inetproneed to find something that will fit in there17:53
Kilosya but you must have a centre piece to hole the tool straight up17:54
Kilosyes17:54
Kiloslisten now17:54
Kilosi wish i knew how to draw on the pc17:54
Kilosyou get a wooden rod bigger than the hole17:55
Kilosthen make the first bit the size of the hole17:55
Kilosthen put sandpaper on the shoulder and spin it in the whole17:55
Kilosyou get the idea17:56
Kilos??17:56
inetproahh17:56
inetprothe outside of the tap is about 30mm17:57
Kilosanother idea17:57
Kiloswhere the seal goes on17:57
Kilosput sandpaper in place of the seal and try it that way17:58
Kilosor make the wooden tool so it comes through the top of the tap to centralise it18:01
inetprothat inside ring is between 15 - 18mm18:06
Kilosdo you get the idea though inetpro ?18:10
inetproneed something like this: http://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/i/m/image_17497.jpg18:10
Kiloshi Dreen 18:11
DreenHi18:11
Kilosno inetpro those sand on the outside18:11
inetproahh18:11
Kilosis there a thing like paint in ubuntu18:12
Kilosthen ill try draw something18:12
not_foundinkscape18:13
inetproKilos: and this one http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3Pk-Pack-Silverline-Circular-Grinding-Wheel-Set-9Mm-10Mm-15Mm-Heavy-Duty-Tools-/40048460247418:13
inetpro?18:13
not_foundalso I think there is something called tuxpaint but I never used it18:14
Kilosyeah inetpro you just have to make sure its 100% upright all the time18:14
inetprohmm... sounds tricky18:15
Kiloswell if you wobble you dont have it the same depth all the wat around18:16
inetprotrue18:17
Kilosif you can get one of those stones with a shaft that just fits through the top of the tap that will hold it steady18:18
inetprothanks Kilos, will see whether I can find a tool during the week so I try fix it next weekend18:21
Kilosok18:21
Kilosgood luck18:21
Kiloshi charl 18:21
charlhi Kilos :)18:21
charlwhat's up18:21
charlMaaz: coffee on18:22
* Maaz puts the kettle on18:22
Kilosty not_found dunno how peeps draw straight lines though18:22
Kilosnot much charl 18:22
KilosMaaz, coffee please18:22
MaazKilos: Righto18:22
inetproMaaz: coffee please18:23
Maazinetpro: Okay18:23
Kilosinkscape too sensitive to draw with18:24
not_foundit should have a line tool...18:24
not_foundoh well :)18:24
Kilosall those things take practise to get to know not_found 18:25
not_foundyup18:25
MaazCoffee's ready for charl, Kilos and inetpro!18:26
KilosMaaz, dankie18:26
MaazGroot plesier Kilos my vriend18:26
inetproMaaz: ty18:26
MaazYou are welcome inetpro18:26
Kilosinetpro, we must still try get maaz's data base18:27
Kilosi wann try make QA know everything maaz does18:27
Kiloshard work teaching another bot18:27
inetproKilos: you'll have to ask cocooncrash 18:28
inetpronot sure whether he would be willing to share that18:29
inetprohe may be using the bot in other channels as well18:29
Kilosah18:29
inetproKilos: and I should have posted this thing on G+ earlier18:34
Kiloshave you had more advice?18:35
Kiloshehe18:35
inetproCharlie Kravetz says, "Go to hardware store. Buy tap facing or surfacing tool. It looks like a stem with a large, rough washer on bottom. Use it to smooth the seat inside the tap."18:35
Kilosmaybe there are modern ways of doing such things18:35
Kilosoh my18:36
Kiloslook on ebay18:36
not_found:)18:36
Kilosor olx18:36
Kiloswhew they now ready make things i had to work out the hard way 30 years ago18:37
Kilosswines they should let you all sukkel too18:37
inetpro:-)18:39
inetproKilos: see http://goannaplumbing.com.au/news/changing-a-jumper-valve-or-tap-washer-servicing-a-tap/18:39
inetprosome very good advice there18:40
Kilosyou okes need the advice man , im old now18:41
* inetpro just sharing the interesting things I find 18:42
Kilosty18:43
Kilostuxpaint aint as sensitive but 51m download18:43
not_foundwow18:43
Kilosand makes noises as you draw18:43
Kiloshehe18:43
inetprojust don't think I will find these fancy tools here 18:44
not_foundsince getting uncapped net I never see how big something is, only how long it will take :)18:44
Kilosyeah uncapped rocks18:44
Kiloshehe tuxpaint very lekker18:46
Kilostalks to you as well18:47
inetprowhat happened with the announcement on ubuntu.com ?18:47
inetproor the upcoming announcement?18:47
not_foundhttp://test.ubuntu-discourse.org/t/countdown-gone/596/1618:48
not_foundI asked the same question...18:49
Kilosi think they said something about juju here earlier18:49
Kilosah18:49
Kilosjuju is voodoo18:49
inetpronot_found: maybe they got a bit of a shock after seeing Microsoft loosing $34 billion market value in one day?18:50
not_foundlol... have to have that much to loose it18:50
inetprowell why did they use the word surface in there?18:51
not_foundhave you seen the pics of the phone?18:55
Kilosnight guys i go sleep now18:56
Kilossleep tight all18:56
inetpronot_found: I'll believe it when it happens18:57
inetproand only then I might get excited18:57
not_foundtrue... canonical is famous for vapourware18:58
inetprowill definitely be very interesting if they do launch it19:01
inetproit's a very tough market out there19:03
not_foundwell they are putting all the eggs in one basket so I really hope so19:05
inetproMaaz: tell kilos I found another very interesting story at http://shufti247.blogspot.com/2009/08/dripping-taps.html19:42
Maazinetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode19:42
kbmonkeywhat's up21:02
Squirmkbmonkey: ceiling mainly21:32
kbmonkeytrue that Squirm 21:33
kbmonkey"gotta get up to get down"21:34
* Squirm looks blankly at kbmonkey 21:34

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