[00:27] <greg-g_> heh, oops: http://ubuntuforums.org/announce.html
[00:35] <greg-g_> neat: http://www.ghostscript.com/pipermail/gs-devel/2013-February/009410.html
[01:57] <jrwren> freedom haters
[02:02] <greg-g> freedom ain't free, buddy
[02:29] <jrwren> eternal vigilance :)
[12:21] <smlr-hangout> SMLR is live (show prep for now) Video: http://www.youtube.com/embed/1_D8XyXMX0s - Audio http://live.smlr.us:8000/streaming
[12:22] <smlr-hangout> SMLR is chatting in freenode #smlr
[13:41] <jrwren> tis a shame ubuntu isn't listed here: https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/
[14:15] <rick_h> yea
[14:15] <rick_h> oh well
[16:32] <brousch1> rick_h: I'm listening to the new Django podcast and they basically said Pyramid is for projects that are too big and complicated for Django
[16:53] <rick_h> brousch1: lmao!
[16:53] <rick_h> brousch1: so I shouldn't show them the multiple tiny small apps I use pyramid on then, that would get 2x as complicated if I used django
[16:54] <rick_h> like my redis based app I use for breadability that couldn't use the django orm or admin anyway...
[17:00] <brousch1> Yeah. I think by complicated they mean the Django components don't fit the solution very well
[17:01] <rick_h> yea
[17:01] <rick_h> so if flask is for the small stuff, and pyramid for the big stuff...
[17:01] <brousch1> If you're a Django users, then simple problems are ones that django can solve simply
[17:02] <brousch1> All other problems must be complicated
[17:02] <brousch1> So Flask is for small complicated problems and Pyramid is for big complicated problems
[17:03] <rick_h> and django gets to be the VB of the python web dev world?
[17:03] <brousch1> heh
[17:03] <rick_h> 'it is easy and does simple things simply' ?
[17:03] <brousch1> They also said something like Pyramid can pull from a wider ecosystem
[17:03] <rick_h> yea, python...and wsgi...
[17:03] <rick_h> welcome to the modern python web world
[17:04] <brousch1> There were like 3 hosts and a guest on the podcast, so I don't know who actually said these things
[17:05] <rick_h> just make sure I don't hear it so my wife won't catch me screaming at my phone :)
[17:05] <brousch1> I thought you would be happy with those comments
[17:06] <rick_h> no, because it just makes people talking about django on a podcast (which I would assume if you're on a django podcast you know wtf you're saying) are more clueless than I generally think of django users :P
[17:08] <rick_h> I chat with some serious django people and I can at least respect them usually. This kind of talk would drive me bonkers
[17:10] <snap-l> Good morning everyone
[17:10] <snap-l> And good afternoon
[17:10] <snap-l> (catching up. :) )
[17:10] <rick_h> party party
[17:11] <rick_h> lawn catch-up break here myself
[17:11] <snap-l> Lovely.
[17:11] <rick_h> the joys of traveling...no little elfs at home keeping up with the lawn care, grocery shopping, laundry...
[17:11] <rick_h> damn elves
[17:12] <snap-l> Well, we had an impromptu refrigerator cleaning yesterday.
[17:12] <rick_h> hah, and I spelled that two different ways by saying it one way in my head but another in text
[17:12] <snap-l> And I found out something about Royal Oak
[17:12] <rick_h> yea, power back yay!
[17:12] <rick_h> I think we can stop calling that a "brownout"
[17:12] <snap-l> apparently they only will use 32gal trash containers
[17:12] <rick_h> you lost power man
[17:12] <snap-l> so I now have a 50gal useless bin in the side porch
[17:12] <snap-l> Yeah
[17:13] <rick_h> snap-l: what is it? If you can't use it maybe I can put it to use and buy it off you
[17:13] <snap-l> It's a Ginormous Rubbermaid Brute 50gal
[17:13] <snap-l> let me see if I can find it
[17:14] <snap-l> It's yours gratis if you want it
[17:14] <snap-l> http://www.homedepot.com/p/Rubbermaid-Commercial-Products-Brute-50-gal-Gray-Rollout-Trash-Container-with-Lid-FG9W27-28GRA
[17:14] <rick_h> ooh, yea. That might be cool
[17:14] <snap-l> I wrote our address on it in sharpie, and it has been used once
[17:14] <snap-l> Will clean it out as best I can
[17:15] <rick_h> lol
[18:06] <snap-l> god, people are asking folks to spread the word about tje hacked forhms
[18:07] <snap-l> unfortunately nobody had the foresight to see the other posts saying the same thing
[18:07] <snap-l> consider it informed. sheesh.
[18:09] <snap-l> also the only way tjis would need spreading is if there were more isers that didnt ise said forums than do
[18:13] <rick_h> yea, can't tell if jcastro is so happy or sad. the discourse page got linked as a place to ask for help as a replacement.
[18:13] <rick_h> good thing that's on juju and can hopefully scale up :)
[18:23] <snap-l> Honestly, if the forums just up and disappeared I'd be a happy man
[18:23] <snap-l> But I know there's a community there, and people would get (rightfully) pissed
[18:24] <snap-l> But seriously, bulldoze the teen center and put in a skate park.
[18:24] <snap-l> Nuke it from orbit