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| OvenWerks | Mish: sorry I missed you last night. | 14:51 |
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| Mish | No it's nothing | 14:52 |
| OvenWerks | the page with all our packages is: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev | 14:54 |
| Mish | alright thanks :) | 14:54 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: our menu package can wait a bit as we are reworking the icons. | 14:57 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: where are things going with a kernel for saucy? I still show 3.8.0-19 though I think raring is -26 ? | 15:01 |
| micahg | OvenWerks: oh, hrm, did I not upload that> | 15:01 |
| OvenWerks | The branch does not show it. | 15:02 |
| OvenWerks | Same for -settings | 15:03 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: ^^ | 15:04 |
| micahg | sorry | 15:05 |
| micahg | so, just settings for now? | 15:05 |
| OvenWerks | apt-cache still shows .15 as latest too | 15:05 |
| OvenWerks | Ya. | 15:05 |
| OvenWerks | we have some nice shinny new icons to put in. | 15:05 |
| micahg | I tagged settings | 15:05 |
| micahg | and uploaded.... | 15:06 |
| OvenWerks | thank you. | 15:06 |
| OvenWerks | it fixes a bug. | 15:06 |
| micahg | oh, hrm | 15:07 |
| micahg | that's an old version | 15:07 |
| micahg | ok, let me pull and upload again | 15:07 |
| micahg | I uploaded that 2 months ago :) | 15:07 |
| micahg | ok, looks good, should be up in a couple hours | 15:08 |
| OvenWerks | Ok great. | 15:09 |
| OvenWerks | micahg: should our branch show the release? or is that a few hours away as well? | 15:11 |
| micahg | couple minutes (still uploading) | 15:12 |
| OvenWerks | OK | 15:13 |
| micahg | pushed + uploaded | 15:13 |
| OvenWerks | Yup | 15:13 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: has the bug with USB audio been fixed upstream in the kernel? | 15:17 |
| micahg | FWIW, dcraw got an update yesterday (it FTBFS, but I fixed that) | 15:17 |
| OvenWerks | the generic kernel is at least one version ahead of ours right now. but if the USB problem is not fixed... | 15:18 |
| Mish | OvenWerks: So I rename all the icons to ubuntustudio- ? | 15:34 |
| OvenWerks | Yes | 15:34 |
| Mish | Ok. Also I don't see an index.theme in hiclor, so I'll make one | 15:35 |
| OvenWerks | you can fix the *.directory files as well or I will when you are finished. | 15:35 |
| Mish | yeah I'll do that | 15:35 |
| OvenWerks | They should be in /usr/share/desktop-directories/ | 15:36 |
| Mish | yeah | 15:36 |
| Mish | On second thought, I don't need to make an index.theme ........ | 16:33 |
| OvenWerks | Mish: no you shouldn't need to | 16:39 |
| OvenWerks | hicolor already has a fully populated index | 16:39 |
| Mish | yeah I just realised | 16:39 |
| OvenWerks | If you add one it might break it | 16:40 |
| Mish | yes, I won't make one | 16:40 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: The generic kernel is never ahead of ours | 18:22 |
| zequence | It shouldn't be anyway | 18:23 |
| zequence | Mish: Did you make those icons in inkscape from scratch? | 18:23 |
| Mish | zequence: Yes | 18:24 |
| zequence | Mish: It looks a little pixelized, if you know what I mean. The lines don't look straight. I'm wondering is that because of some processing. | 18:25 |
| zequence | The preview that is | 18:25 |
| zequence | I mean, the lines don't look smooth | 18:26 |
| Mish | you mean the image I uploaded? | 18:26 |
| zequence | Yes, and previous ones as well | 18:26 |
| Mish | and do they look pixelated on all the sizes or only 16x16 ones? | 18:26 |
| zequence | All sizes | 18:27 |
| zequence | I'd still be interested in seeing the foreground totally white too | 18:28 |
| Mish | Are you viewing them using the web-based image viewer on Wuala? or did you download them? | 18:28 |
| Mish | some image viewers have scaling settings which make the image look blurred sometimes | 18:29 |
| Mish | I think the foreground purely white wouldn't look very good, but I'll make the backgrounds darker for more contrast and then give a preview | 18:31 |
| zequence | it's pretty much the same in all viewers | 18:31 |
| zequence | Mish: Did you try it? | 18:31 |
| zequence | I'm still thinking of the traffic sign look | 18:31 |
| zequence | Really simple, and universal | 18:31 |
| Mish | Try? You mean lighter foregrounds? | 18:31 |
| zequence | When seeing the background colors in action in the menu, I find there's too much color. Do you feel that? | 18:32 |
| zequence | I'd rather make them a bit more grey. Just enough to make them more complex | 18:32 |
| Mish | Well actually focusing on the colour was what I had in mind, so that's how I made it | 18:34 |
| Mish | but I can make a slightly desaturated version as well | 18:34 |
| Mish | And I'm not sure I get what you mean by complex | 18:35 |
| zequence | Right. It feels like there's a hint too much saturation, making them stand out very much from the rest of the icons | 18:35 |
| zequence | 32bit gives more complexity and variation. That kind of complexity | 18:36 |
| zequence | Again, these are my opinions. I could make my own version, if you want | 18:37 |
| zequence | But, I don't feel what is done now is the best we can do | 18:37 |
| zequence | I'd also like to work more on the icons for graphics and publishing particularly | 18:38 |
| zequence | I find it's a bit hard to make out what they are picturing. It's easy when you already know, but not when seeing it for the first time | 18:38 |
| zequence | The brush should probably not be totally symmetric | 18:39 |
| zequence | and I would not mind exchaning the pencil to a book or something | 18:39 |
| Mish | I've updated graphics actually | 18:40 |
| Mish | To make the brush more recognizable | 18:40 |
| zequence | ok | 18:40 |
| Mish | My original thinking was that making it unsymmetrical would introduce an organic shape and would look a bit inconsistent with the rest of the non-organic shapes. Also the idea of choosing those particular shapes was to make them cover a minimal amount of the icon real estate and hence bring the colours in the background into focus, with the shapes being just nominal hints as to what the icon isabout | 18:44 |
| Mish | hence the vertical shapes with low width | 18:44 |
| zequence | I take a very practical stance on this. I want to easily be able to recognize what the icon is for, the color is a great help to put them apart, and also, the quality should be ok enough to feel good about it | 18:46 |
| zequence | When something of that doesn't feel right, I'll complain. Simple as that :) | 18:46 |
| Mish | I'm open to ideas, I was explaining what I originally had in mind | 18:46 |
| zequence | Ah, was just about to say something.. | 18:51 |
| Mish | ah connection problems | 18:52 |
| zequence | Mish: I forgot one thing about the colors. Of course, the exact colors we use could be important - if we decide to use them for other things too. | 18:52 |
| zequence | I think each color works well with its workflow, blue with audio, yellow with graphics, etc. | 18:53 |
| zequence | But, the exact quality of the color should be refined. Basically, we could create a pallet that we reuse for a long time ahead whenever using them for our workflows | 18:54 |
| zequence | Not only the color I guess. The whole icon could be used for other things than the menu | 18:55 |
| zequence | Feature tour, documentation, etc | 18:56 |
| zequence | It will make each workflow become more defined somehow already by having a kind of branding | 18:56 |
| Mish | So the current colours are ok? | 18:59 |
| Mish | Also I couldn't understand what you meant by traffic sign look | 19:01 |
| zequence | Mish: No, I think the choice of colors are right for the workflows, but they should be refined IMO | 19:01 |
| zequence | Mish: Traffic signs often only have two colors | 19:05 |
| zequence | And no shading or anything | 19:05 |
| zequence | Very simple, very easy to read | 19:05 |
| zequence | Here are some examples http://depositphotos.com/5761240/stock-illustration-Traffic-Sign.html | 19:05 |
| zequence | typically, you use white foreground with some bg colors like red or blue, and black foreground with something like yellow | 19:06 |
| zequence | My thought is use white foreground on all, and a palette of background colors that are easily distinguishable, but also blend in nicely to pretty much anything | 19:08 |
| Mish | Did you find the shapes in the earlier icons recognizable? I am thinking of not having any background at all and colour the shapes. | 19:09 |
| Mish | oh ok | 19:10 |
| Mish | zequence: Um, could you also explain what you meant exactly by 'refined'? | 19:53 |
| zequence | Mish: Well, simply put, something that looks better | 19:56 |
| zequence | and IMO what would make it better is a color that takes more advantage of the color range, so that it looks pleasing to the eye, and blends well into its surroundsings, be it light or dark | 19:57 |
| zequence | I could do some examples myself | 19:58 |
| zequence | Mish: If I could get your project files, I could try some things | 19:58 |
| Mish | yeah some visual cues would be helpful thanks | 19:58 |
| Mish | Alright, I'll upload the SVGs on a temporary cloud folder | 19:59 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: About the saucy kernel, the idea was that I take over maintenance, but that is still to come | 20:13 |
| zequence | We need a workflow for the development release, since it's different from the stable release. | 20:13 |
| Mish | zequence: All the SVG sources --- https://www.wuala.com/Mishrito/SVGs/?key=bPfcVDLfXOc0 | 20:13 |
| zequence | The stable release updates are all SRUs | 20:13 |
| zequence | Mish: Thanks | 20:13 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: makes sense | 21:17 |
| OvenWerks | I don't have something running R right now, I should boot to it and saee how my USB audio IF works now. | 21:17 |
| OvenWerks | zequence: I actually like the icon colours. If they lighten too much they start to look like libreoffice | 21:20 |
| zequence | OvenWerks: We aren't making them lighter, just less saturated | 21:22 |
| zequence | This would be a job for madeinkobaia and Mish mostly, but I also like to make myself involved in the art department | 21:22 |
| zequence | I'd rather not do anything, just say "ok" | 21:22 |
| zequence | same with everything really | 21:23 |
| OvenWerks | Ya, ok. | 21:23 |
| OvenWerks | So far all I have seen look much better than the ones I made. :) | 21:23 |
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