[14:51] <OvenWerks> Mish: sorry I missed you last night.
[14:52] <Mish> No it's nothing
[14:54] <OvenWerks> the page with all our packages is: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev
[14:54] <Mish> alright thanks :)
[14:57] <OvenWerks> micahg: our menu package can wait a bit as we are reworking the icons.
[15:01] <OvenWerks> zequence: where are things going with a kernel for saucy? I still show 3.8.0-19 though I think raring is -26 ?
[15:01] <micahg> OvenWerks: oh, hrm, did I not upload that>
[15:02] <OvenWerks> The branch does not show it.
[15:03] <OvenWerks> Same for -settings
[15:04] <OvenWerks> micahg: ^^
[15:05] <micahg> sorry
[15:05] <micahg> so, just settings for now?
[15:05] <OvenWerks> apt-cache still shows .15 as latest too
[15:05] <OvenWerks> Ya.
[15:05] <OvenWerks> we have some nice shinny new icons to put in.
[15:05] <micahg> I tagged settings
[15:06] <micahg> and uploaded....
[15:06] <OvenWerks> thank you.
[15:06] <OvenWerks> it fixes a bug.
[15:07] <micahg> oh, hrm
[15:07] <micahg> that's an old version
[15:07] <micahg> ok, let me pull and upload again
[15:07] <micahg> I uploaded that 2 months ago :)
[15:08] <micahg> ok, looks good, should be up in a couple hours
[15:09] <OvenWerks> Ok great.
[15:11] <OvenWerks> micahg: should our branch show the release? or is that a few hours away as well?
[15:12] <micahg> couple minutes (still uploading)
[15:13] <OvenWerks> OK
[15:13] <micahg> pushed + uploaded
[15:13] <OvenWerks> Yup
[15:17] <OvenWerks> zequence: has the bug with USB audio been fixed upstream in the kernel?
[15:17] <micahg> FWIW, dcraw got an update yesterday (it FTBFS, but I fixed that)
[15:18] <OvenWerks> the generic kernel is at least one version ahead of ours right now. but if the USB problem is not fixed...
[15:34] <Mish> OvenWerks: So I rename all the icons to ubuntustudio- ?
[15:34] <OvenWerks> Yes
[15:35] <Mish> Ok. Also I don't see an index.theme in hiclor, so I'll make one
[15:35] <OvenWerks> you can fix the *.directory files as well or I will when you are finished.
[15:35] <Mish> yeah I'll do that
[15:36] <OvenWerks> They should be in /usr/share/desktop-directories/
[15:36] <Mish> yeah
[16:33] <Mish> On second thought, I don't need to make an index.theme ........
[16:39] <OvenWerks> Mish: no you shouldn't need to
[16:39] <OvenWerks> hicolor already has a fully populated index
[16:39] <Mish> yeah I just realised
[16:40] <OvenWerks> If you add one it might break it
[16:40] <Mish> yes, I won't make one
[18:22] <zequence> OvenWerks: The generic kernel is never ahead of ours
[18:23] <zequence> It shouldn't be anyway
[18:23] <zequence> Mish: Did you make those icons in inkscape from scratch?
[18:24] <Mish> zequence: Yes
[18:25] <zequence> Mish: It looks a little pixelized, if you know what I mean. The lines don't look straight. I'm wondering is that because of some processing. 
[18:25] <zequence> The preview that is
[18:26] <zequence> I mean, the lines don't look smooth
[18:26] <Mish> you mean the image I uploaded?
[18:26] <zequence> Yes, and previous ones as well
[18:26] <Mish> and do they look pixelated on all the sizes or only 16x16 ones?
[18:27] <zequence> All sizes
[18:28] <zequence> I'd still be interested in seeing the foreground totally white too
[18:28] <Mish> Are you viewing them using the web-based image viewer on Wuala? or did you download them?
[18:29] <Mish> some image viewers have scaling settings which make the image look blurred sometimes
[18:31] <Mish> I think the foreground purely white wouldn't look very good, but I'll make the backgrounds darker for more contrast and then give a preview
[18:31] <zequence> it's pretty much the same in all viewers
[18:31] <zequence> Mish: Did you try it?
[18:31] <zequence> I'm still thinking of the traffic sign look
[18:31] <zequence> Really simple, and universal
[18:31] <Mish> Try? You mean lighter foregrounds?
[18:32] <zequence> When seeing the background colors in action in the menu, I find there's too much color. Do you feel that? 
[18:32] <zequence> I'd rather make them a bit more grey. Just enough to make them more complex
[18:34] <Mish> Well actually focusing on the colour was what I had in mind, so that's how I made it
[18:34] <Mish> but I can make a slightly desaturated version as well
[18:35] <Mish> And I'm not sure I get what you mean by complex
[18:35] <zequence> Right. It feels like there's a hint too much saturation, making them stand out very much from the rest of the icons
[18:36] <zequence> 32bit gives more complexity and variation. That kind of complexity
[18:37] <zequence> Again, these are my opinions. I could make my own version, if you want
[18:37] <zequence> But, I don't feel what is done now is the best we can do
[18:38] <zequence> I'd also like to work more on the icons for graphics and publishing particularly
[18:38] <zequence> I find it's a bit hard to make out what they are picturing. It's easy when you already know, but not when seeing it for the first time
[18:39] <zequence> The brush should probably not be totally symmetric
[18:39] <zequence> and I would not mind exchaning the pencil to a book or something
[18:40] <Mish> I've updated graphics actually
[18:40] <Mish> To make the brush more recognizable
[18:40] <zequence> ok
[18:44] <Mish> My original thinking was that making it unsymmetrical would introduce an organic shape and would look a bit inconsistent with the rest of the non-organic shapes. Also the idea of choosing those particular shapes was to make them cover a minimal amount of the icon real estate and hence bring the colours in the background into focus, with the shapes being just nominal hints as to what the icon isabout
[18:44] <Mish> hence the vertical shapes with low width
[18:46] <zequence> I take a very practical stance on this. I want to easily be able to recognize what the icon is for, the color is a great help to put them apart, and also, the quality should be ok enough to feel good about it
[18:46] <zequence> When something of that doesn't feel right, I'll complain. Simple as that :)
[18:46] <Mish> I'm open to ideas, I was explaining what I originally had in mind
[18:51] <zequence> Ah, was just about to say something..
[18:52] <Mish> ah connection problems
[18:52] <zequence> Mish: I forgot one thing about the colors. Of course, the exact colors we use could be important - if we decide to use them for other things too.
[18:53] <zequence> I think each color works well with its workflow, blue with audio, yellow with graphics, etc. 
[18:54] <zequence> But, the exact quality of the color should be refined. Basically, we could create a pallet that we reuse for a long time ahead whenever using them for our workflows
[18:55] <zequence> Not only the color I guess. The whole icon could be used for other things than the menu
[18:56] <zequence> Feature tour, documentation, etc
[18:56] <zequence> It will make each workflow become more defined somehow already by having a kind of branding
[18:59] <Mish> So the current colours are ok?
[19:01] <Mish> Also I couldn't understand what you meant by traffic sign look
[19:01] <zequence> Mish: No, I think the choice of colors are right for the workflows, but they should be refined IMO
[19:05] <zequence> Mish: Traffic signs often only have two colors
[19:05] <zequence> And no shading or anything
[19:05] <zequence> Very simple, very easy to read
[19:05] <zequence> Here are some examples http://depositphotos.com/5761240/stock-illustration-Traffic-Sign.html
[19:06] <zequence> typically, you use white foreground with some bg colors like red or blue, and black foreground with something like yellow
[19:08] <zequence> My thought is use white foreground on all, and a palette of background colors that are easily distinguishable, but also blend in nicely to pretty much anything
[19:09] <Mish> Did you find the shapes in the earlier icons recognizable? I am thinking of not having any background at all and colour the shapes.
[19:10] <Mish> oh ok
[19:53] <Mish> zequence: Um, could you also explain what you meant exactly by 'refined'?
[19:56] <zequence> Mish: Well, simply put, something that looks better
[19:57] <zequence> and IMO what would make it better is a color that takes more advantage of the color range, so that it looks pleasing to the eye, and blends well into its surroundsings, be it light or dark
[19:58] <zequence> I could do some examples myself
[19:58] <zequence> Mish: If I could get your project files, I could try some things
[19:58] <Mish> yeah some visual cues would be helpful thanks
[19:59] <Mish> Alright, I'll upload the SVGs on a temporary cloud folder
[20:13] <zequence> OvenWerks: About the saucy kernel, the idea was that I take over maintenance, but that is still to come
[20:13] <zequence> We need a workflow for the development release, since it's different from the stable release. 
[20:13] <Mish> zequence: All the SVG sources  ---  https://www.wuala.com/Mishrito/SVGs/?key=bPfcVDLfXOc0
[20:13] <zequence> The stable release updates are all SRUs
[20:13] <zequence> Mish: Thanks
[21:17] <OvenWerks> zequence: makes sense
[21:17] <OvenWerks> I don't have something running R right now, I should boot to it and saee how my USB audio IF works now.
[21:20] <OvenWerks> zequence: I actually like the icon colours. If they lighten too much they start to look like libreoffice
[21:22] <zequence> OvenWerks: We aren't making them lighter, just less saturated
[21:22] <zequence> This would be a job for madeinkobaia and Mish mostly, but I also like to make myself involved in the art department
[21:22] <zequence> I'd rather not do anything, just say "ok"
[21:23] <zequence> same with everything really
[21:23] <OvenWerks> Ya, ok.
[21:23] <OvenWerks> So far all I have seen look much better than the ones I made. :)