=== Noskcaj10 is now known as Noskcaj [14:51] Mish: sorry I missed you last night. [14:52] No it's nothing [14:54] the page with all our packages is: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev [14:54] alright thanks :) [14:57] micahg: our menu package can wait a bit as we are reworking the icons. [15:01] zequence: where are things going with a kernel for saucy? I still show 3.8.0-19 though I think raring is -26 ? [15:01] OvenWerks: oh, hrm, did I not upload that> [15:02] The branch does not show it. [15:03] Same for -settings [15:04] micahg: ^^ [15:05] sorry [15:05] so, just settings for now? [15:05] apt-cache still shows .15 as latest too [15:05] Ya. [15:05] we have some nice shinny new icons to put in. [15:05] I tagged settings [15:06] and uploaded.... [15:06] thank you. [15:06] it fixes a bug. [15:07] oh, hrm [15:07] that's an old version [15:07] ok, let me pull and upload again [15:07] I uploaded that 2 months ago :) [15:08] ok, looks good, should be up in a couple hours [15:09] Ok great. [15:11] micahg: should our branch show the release? or is that a few hours away as well? [15:12] couple minutes (still uploading) [15:13] OK [15:13] pushed + uploaded [15:13] Yup [15:17] zequence: has the bug with USB audio been fixed upstream in the kernel? [15:17] FWIW, dcraw got an update yesterday (it FTBFS, but I fixed that) [15:18] the generic kernel is at least one version ahead of ours right now. but if the USB problem is not fixed... [15:34] OvenWerks: So I rename all the icons to ubuntustudio- ? [15:34] Yes [15:35] Ok. Also I don't see an index.theme in hiclor, so I'll make one [15:35] you can fix the *.directory files as well or I will when you are finished. [15:35] yeah I'll do that [15:36] They should be in /usr/share/desktop-directories/ [15:36] yeah [16:33] On second thought, I don't need to make an index.theme ........ [16:39] Mish: no you shouldn't need to [16:39] hicolor already has a fully populated index [16:39] yeah I just realised [16:40] If you add one it might break it [16:40] yes, I won't make one [18:22] OvenWerks: The generic kernel is never ahead of ours [18:23] It shouldn't be anyway [18:23] Mish: Did you make those icons in inkscape from scratch? [18:24] zequence: Yes [18:25] Mish: It looks a little pixelized, if you know what I mean. The lines don't look straight. I'm wondering is that because of some processing. [18:25] The preview that is [18:26] I mean, the lines don't look smooth [18:26] you mean the image I uploaded? [18:26] Yes, and previous ones as well [18:26] and do they look pixelated on all the sizes or only 16x16 ones? [18:27] All sizes [18:28] I'd still be interested in seeing the foreground totally white too [18:28] Are you viewing them using the web-based image viewer on Wuala? or did you download them? [18:29] some image viewers have scaling settings which make the image look blurred sometimes [18:31] I think the foreground purely white wouldn't look very good, but I'll make the backgrounds darker for more contrast and then give a preview [18:31] it's pretty much the same in all viewers [18:31] Mish: Did you try it? [18:31] I'm still thinking of the traffic sign look [18:31] Really simple, and universal [18:31] Try? You mean lighter foregrounds? [18:32] When seeing the background colors in action in the menu, I find there's too much color. Do you feel that? [18:32] I'd rather make them a bit more grey. Just enough to make them more complex [18:34] Well actually focusing on the colour was what I had in mind, so that's how I made it [18:34] but I can make a slightly desaturated version as well [18:35] And I'm not sure I get what you mean by complex [18:35] Right. It feels like there's a hint too much saturation, making them stand out very much from the rest of the icons [18:36] 32bit gives more complexity and variation. That kind of complexity [18:37] Again, these are my opinions. I could make my own version, if you want [18:37] But, I don't feel what is done now is the best we can do [18:38] I'd also like to work more on the icons for graphics and publishing particularly [18:38] I find it's a bit hard to make out what they are picturing. It's easy when you already know, but not when seeing it for the first time [18:39] The brush should probably not be totally symmetric [18:39] and I would not mind exchaning the pencil to a book or something [18:40] I've updated graphics actually [18:40] To make the brush more recognizable [18:40] ok [18:44] My original thinking was that making it unsymmetrical would introduce an organic shape and would look a bit inconsistent with the rest of the non-organic shapes. Also the idea of choosing those particular shapes was to make them cover a minimal amount of the icon real estate and hence bring the colours in the background into focus, with the shapes being just nominal hints as to what the icon isabout [18:44] hence the vertical shapes with low width [18:46] I take a very practical stance on this. I want to easily be able to recognize what the icon is for, the color is a great help to put them apart, and also, the quality should be ok enough to feel good about it [18:46] When something of that doesn't feel right, I'll complain. Simple as that :) [18:46] I'm open to ideas, I was explaining what I originally had in mind [18:51] Ah, was just about to say something.. [18:52] ah connection problems [18:52] Mish: I forgot one thing about the colors. Of course, the exact colors we use could be important - if we decide to use them for other things too. [18:53] I think each color works well with its workflow, blue with audio, yellow with graphics, etc. [18:54] But, the exact quality of the color should be refined. Basically, we could create a pallet that we reuse for a long time ahead whenever using them for our workflows [18:55] Not only the color I guess. The whole icon could be used for other things than the menu [18:56] Feature tour, documentation, etc [18:56] It will make each workflow become more defined somehow already by having a kind of branding [18:59] So the current colours are ok? [19:01] Also I couldn't understand what you meant by traffic sign look [19:01] Mish: No, I think the choice of colors are right for the workflows, but they should be refined IMO [19:05] Mish: Traffic signs often only have two colors [19:05] And no shading or anything [19:05] Very simple, very easy to read [19:05] Here are some examples http://depositphotos.com/5761240/stock-illustration-Traffic-Sign.html [19:06] typically, you use white foreground with some bg colors like red or blue, and black foreground with something like yellow [19:08] My thought is use white foreground on all, and a palette of background colors that are easily distinguishable, but also blend in nicely to pretty much anything [19:09] Did you find the shapes in the earlier icons recognizable? I am thinking of not having any background at all and colour the shapes. [19:10] oh ok [19:53] zequence: Um, could you also explain what you meant exactly by 'refined'? [19:56] Mish: Well, simply put, something that looks better [19:57] and IMO what would make it better is a color that takes more advantage of the color range, so that it looks pleasing to the eye, and blends well into its surroundsings, be it light or dark [19:58] I could do some examples myself [19:58] Mish: If I could get your project files, I could try some things [19:58] yeah some visual cues would be helpful thanks [19:59] Alright, I'll upload the SVGs on a temporary cloud folder [20:13] OvenWerks: About the saucy kernel, the idea was that I take over maintenance, but that is still to come [20:13] We need a workflow for the development release, since it's different from the stable release. [20:13] zequence: All the SVG sources --- https://www.wuala.com/Mishrito/SVGs/?key=bPfcVDLfXOc0 [20:13] The stable release updates are all SRUs [20:13] Mish: Thanks [21:17] zequence: makes sense [21:17] I don't have something running R right now, I should boot to it and saee how my USB audio IF works now. [21:20] zequence: I actually like the icon colours. If they lighten too much they start to look like libreoffice [21:22] OvenWerks: We aren't making them lighter, just less saturated [21:22] This would be a job for madeinkobaia and Mish mostly, but I also like to make myself involved in the art department [21:22] I'd rather not do anything, just say "ok" [21:23] same with everything really [21:23] Ya, ok. [21:23] So far all I have seen look much better than the ones I made. :)