[07:43] <noskcaj> is there a PPA that let's you run the daily version of XFCE
[12:31] <zequence> knome: Slow as usual. But, the big goal is 14.04 and there will be a few changes by that time
[12:34] <knome> zequence, looking forward to what those changes might be :)
[12:41] <zequence> knome: We're currently working on becoming DE agnostics, but not sure if we'll be able to get anything else but a new ubuntustudio-menu package done, which OvenWerks is working on
[12:41] <knome> mhm
[12:42] <zequence> We're sticking to XFCE as our default, but nothing decided beyond that yet
[12:43] <zequence> I'm just about to reorganize all of our blueprints. I based those on what Scott did before, but feel I want to start from scratch now
[12:43] <knome> sure
[12:44] <knome> and not being tied to any specific makes sense to US
[12:44] <zequence> Yes, we should let our users decide what they want to use. It's important that we can support at least one setup, and so far XFCE seems quite popular and works well for us
[12:45] <zequence> ubuntustudio-menu will be possible to install on many other flavors later, also on Xubuntu, so that you can get the Ubuntu Studio categories, if you just want those
[12:47] <zequence> The idea is that you can choose whichever DE you want from the installer later
[12:47] <zequence> knome: How's your progress coming along, with MIR and everything?
[12:48] <knome> slower than i wanted to 
[12:48] <knome> we're still 1 month from our mir-deciding day
[12:50] <zequence> MIR is a nice name, but it also makes you think of rusty old space junk
[12:51] <knome> hehe
[14:17] <jjfrv8> Evening, knome.
[14:18] <knome> hey jjfrv8 :)
[14:18] <jjfrv8> I just put up what I think should be the last MP for the Precise docs.
[14:19] <knome> jjfrv8, great! i'll check it out in the next 30 mins
[14:19] <ochosi> oha, lxde and razor-qt are merging..?
[14:19] <knome> ochosi, is that official, or still just talk?
[14:19] <ochosi> just starting reading about it myself and haven't finished: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/razor-qt/PNvkoidV2Ik
[14:20] <knome> mhm
[14:20] <Unit193> They are at least helping each other, and being compatible.
[14:20] <knome> yeah, that's known already
[14:20] <ochosi> "Our plan is to cherry-pick the best parts of Razor and LXDE and include or port those to LXDE-Qt."
[14:21] <knome> aha
[14:21] <knome> says who?
[14:22] <knome> i mean, once that's announced by both of the parties..
[14:22] <ochosi> well they met up at Akademy in person
[14:22] <ochosi> and that's a report by one of the razor-qt devs
[14:22] <ochosi> i'd assume it's credible
[14:22] <knome> yeah, but does it mean lxde ceases to exist
[14:22] <ochosi> (and anyway, it's a smart decision)
[14:23] <ochosi> the gtk2 version will remain maintained, but the lxde-qt stuff will be developed in fusion with razor-qt
[14:23] <knome> or simply that razor-qt will cherry pick lxde and fork? :P
[14:23] <Unit193> (Seems more like r-qt will stop in favor of LXDE-qt, and move all devs over to it.)
[14:23] <ochosi> so basically r-qt ceases to exist
[14:23] <ochosi> yup
[14:24] <knome> yes, but will the lxde developers do the same?
[14:24] <ochosi> yes, the two projects will become "lxde-qt"
[14:24] <knome> is that confirmed by the lxde developers?
[14:24] <ochosi> only one guy is supposed to keep the gtk2 version working
[14:25] <knome> sorry for beating this to death, but i need confirmation from both parties
[14:25] <ochosi> i haven't checked any other sources as you can guess
[14:25] <ochosi> i've just finished reading these lines
[14:25] <knome> yeah, sure
[14:25] <ochosi> and anyway, i'll wait until i hear this again through other (more official) channels
[14:25] <ochosi> don't feel like searching the web for more hints at this
[14:34] <knome> i'd follow lxde.org
[14:40] <knome> jjfrv8, approved, merged, and pushed. thanks!
[14:42] <jjfrv8> knome, cool!  I'll scan everything one more time to make sure I didn't miss anything. Then I'll move to the Saucy branch like you suggested.
[14:42] <knome> jjfrv8, thanks :)
[14:42] <knome> jjfrv8, i'll call for others interested to check the precise docs too on the mailing list
[14:43] <jjfrv8> I'll also get back on elfy's manual testcases
[14:46] <knome> nice
[14:53] <knome> call for docs reviewers for the SRU done
[15:00] <knome> off for now, have fun everybody
[15:11] <lderan> cheerio knome 
[18:47] <knome> humm
[18:54] <Unit193> So I suppose that was a worse time than expected to say that, maybe not even knome saw it (or cared. :P )
[18:55] <knome> your mir urls?
[18:55] <Unit193> Bummer.
[18:55] <knome> ha.
[19:07] <skellat> What mir urls?
[19:07] <knome> 21:44  Unit193: 
[19:07] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1310-mir-multimonitor  could be interesting to us for multimonitor, 
[19:07] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-mir-converged could  be for vbox and a couple others, and  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1310-mir-xmir  could be for xrandr and composition "things"
[19:07] <knome> 21:44  Unit193: I don't know, it's up to others.
[19:07] <Unit193> knome: You stink.
[19:07] <knome> i do
[19:07] <knome> how'd you know?
[19:08] <Unit193> I have a fan blowing at me, it picked it up.
[19:08] <knome> oki
[19:08] <skellat> Well, the log from ZNC said you both split off into Neverland for a little while
[19:08] <knome> ;)
[19:08] <knome> that's where all the magic happens
[19:11] <skellat> Those blueprints still have an awfully large number of TODO items
[19:11] <knome> yup
[19:11] <knome> we still have a month until our decision date
[19:11] <skellat> 32 days or so
[19:12] <skellat> Or is it 31
[19:12] <knome> or did we decide to decide on aug 17?
[19:12] <knome> anyway...
[19:12] <knome> there's still time to deliver those items
[19:12] <skellat> August 22nd was decision day
[19:12] <knome> mhm
[19:12] <skellat> Would've been a week after they're expected to hit archive and the week before vUDS-1308
[19:12] <knome> aha
[19:13] <Unit193> I'd say no until proven otherwise, but that's me. :P
[19:13] <knome> well sure, but we need to give them the chance
[19:14] <skellat> Micah set the cut-off at August 15th that if something usable isn't in archive by then we're going to have to take action
[19:15] <Unit193> knome: Sure, but I thought multimonitor support/xrandr was a must, and so therefore until they have it nogo?
[19:15] <knome> sure
[19:15] <Unit193> Anywho, ignore me, just babbleing along.
[20:17] <Noskcaj> in saucy keep having things crash then say it might be because of /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1.2.5
[20:17] <Noskcaj> what do i do?
[20:17] <knome> i would ask #ubuntu+1
[20:18] <Unit193> Note /local/
[20:31] <micahg> Noskcaj: don't install local versions of system libraries
[20:32] <Unit193> Didn't do much with gtk-theme, not good with hardening, but updated description a little, even if it still complains about it being short. :P
[20:32] <Noskcaj> micahg, I didn't. I don't know what did
[20:34] <micahg> not sure what you did eitehre
[20:34] <micahg> is there anything there?
[20:36] <Noskcaj> in the folder it's that and the python and ruby files
[20:39] <micahg> rubygems>