[12:28] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[15:33] <bcurtiswx> my USB audio devices don't show in sound settings
[15:34] <bcurtiswx> happened a few times now
[15:34] <bcurtiswx> i just have to re plug them in, but i'm wondering if there's a more permanent solution
[15:36] <bcurtiswx> i have one USB headset and one USB desktop speaker set
[15:37] <wilee-nilee> bcurtiswx, They show in lsusb?
[15:38] <holstein> bcurtiswx: that happens.. i would plan on replugging at boot.. i prefer that
[15:39] <holstein> bcurtiswx: the alsa hardware ID's can jump at boot.. and change between boots.. but, if you plug after the OS loads, you should get the same thing each time
[15:39] <bcurtiswx> wilee-nilee, one does and one does not
[15:40] <bcurtiswx> holstein, why would an end user want to keep unplugging and plugging in every boot?
[15:40] <bcurtiswx> wilee-nilee, but neither show on sound settings
[15:40] <holstein> bcurtiswx: ?
[15:40] <holstein> bcurtiswx: as i explained, the ID's can jump
[15:41] <holstein> bcurtiswx: also, the experience you are having would be another good reason
[15:41] <wilee-nilee> bcurtiswx, I would defer to holstein here.
[15:41] <holstein> bcurtiswx: what would i do? install a supported version of ubuntu and test.. file bugs as far upstream as you can, with alsa for example.. make sure you mention to the vendor of the hardware to the issues you are having if they are providing a driver for linux
[15:42] <bcurtiswx> holstein, what you're saying is there's a bug in ALSA ID's
[15:42] <holstein> bcurtiswx: no
[15:42] <holstein> bcurtiswx: what i am saying is literally what i am saying, friend
[15:43] <holstein> bcurtiswx: thos ID's can change.. the headset might be hw:2 and the usb sound card might be hw:1.. you reboot, and that is different
[15:43] <bcurtiswx> holstein, changing ID's seems like a bug to me
[15:44] <holstein> bcurtiswx: when i am dealing with users installing and using audio devices with ubuntustudio, i suggest having one device.. disabling the internal in the bios, for example
[15:44] <holstein> bcurtiswx: you can file a bug against alsa for that, or go right to alsa to file
[15:44] <holstein> bcurtiswx: im sure you dont want to disable anything in the bios
[15:45] <holstein> bcurtiswx: here are 2 key bottom line issues to keep in mind.. 1. none of these devices officially support linux 2. ubuntu's testing release doesnt promise "use as many usb audio devices as you like with flawless performance"
[15:46] <bcurtiswx> holstein, so this stops the sound settings from seeing the USB devices ?
[15:46] <holstein> bcurtiswx: the ID issue is a known issue, and can be addressed, if one wants, but i dont think that is cause the issues you are having.. its just a reason i would state for plugging them in
[15:46] <holstein> bcurtiswx: *anything* could be causing the sound settings from seeing the USB devices
[15:46] <holstein> bcurtiswx: you are on a testing release.. but the ID issue is a known issue
[15:47] <holstein> bcurtiswx: on my main production machine, if i leave my flipcam plugged in at boot, it wont boot linux
[15:47] <holstein> bcurtiswx: nothing about linux states "full flip cam support", and nothing about the flipcam states "full linux support", so i just unplug and boot the machine
[15:48] <bcurtiswx> holstein, OK
[16:36] <sercon01> quit
[16:36] <sercon01> q
[16:36] <sercon01> close
[19:18] <rymate1234> is the ubuntu daily build using Mir yet?
[19:47] <trism> rymate1234: not yet, bug 1203207
[19:49] <Pici> Thats not a very descriptive bug
[19:49] <Pici> oh
[19:51] <trism> yeah a bit confusing between mir the display server and Main Inclusion Request
[20:26] <FernandoMiguel> ahah
[20:54] <rymate1234> hey
[20:54] <rymate1234> is it possible to update 13.04 to 13.10?
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> yes
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> update-manager -d
[20:55] <rymate1234> kthnx
[20:55] <FernandoMiguel> or do-release-upgrade -d
[21:02] <rymate1234> welp
[21:02] <rymate1234> here goes nothing
[22:07] <rymate1234> update to 13.10 takes looooooong time
[22:07] <holstein> rymate1234: and, it might fail
[22:08] <rymate1234> oh
[22:08] <rymate1234> shit
[22:08] <holstein> !language
[22:08] <rymate1234> meeeh
[22:08] <holstein> its not released yet
[22:08] <rymate1234> I can't imagine much families will be in this channel anyway
[22:11] <IdleOne> doesn't matter if they are here or not. Please respect the rules