| === jussi01 is now known as jussi | ||
| elvis4526 | Why exactly Canonical didn't adopt Wayland ? It seems there is no technical argument besides this decision. | 19:16 |
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| elvis4526 | behind this decision. | 19:16 |
| hrnz | because they want to split the GNU/Linux community | 19:17 |
| k1l_ | elvis4526: there is alot. but everyone is busy shitstorming so no one reads the facts | 19:17 |
| hrnz | the fact that wayland developement is too slow. sure. | 19:18 |
| k1l_ | http://blog.cooperteam.net/ just scroll down to begin with reading | 19:18 |
| kline | so, between the "recommended" donation ($16) and canonical's commercial support, why is there an indiegogo campaign for the edge, a product thats not even been prototyped or priced yet? though i realise theres a -phone channel, this does seem to be more about "ubuntu or canonicals direction" | 19:19 |
| kline | it seems odd that a $600 donation will get you a "special introductory offer", unless the phone were to come in at >$1k. though really asking 600 for an undisclosed saving seems a bit strange | 19:20 |
| AlanBell | $600 gets you the phone | 19:21 |
| AlanBell | it isn't phrased very well | 19:21 |
| kline | no | 19:21 |
| kline | well | 19:21 |
| kline | maybe | 19:21 |
| kline | point still stands why a commercial entity needs an indiegogo when they are known to be making maybe too much money already | 19:22 |
| AlanBell | lol | 19:22 |
| k1l_ | kline: making too much money? | 19:22 |
| kline | im under the impression that canonical pushed for adverts to be included in more recent ubuntu releases | 19:23 |
| elvis4526 | k1l_: Thanks, I'll look into that. | 19:24 |
| kline | in addition to their commercial support, i can only imagine they are doing well. if they are happy to make such a controversial move with ads, i cant help but feel they are feeling secure in their position | 19:24 |
| k1l_ | kline: the adverts only make money if you buy something after you clicked that. its the average amazon referal thing | 19:24 |
| kline | i know how clickthrough adverts work | 19:24 |
| kline | so why are canonical asking for money when they are pushing adverts to ubuntu users anyway? | 19:24 |
| k1l_ | ok, than i dont know how you come to your conclusion that canonical makes too much money o_O | 19:24 |
| k1l_ | seems like this is not going to be constructive, so im out of that discussion :/ | 19:25 |
| AlanBell | you seem to think that search results in the shopping lens are considerably lucrative | 19:25 |
| kline | if they werent, why would they implement them under such controversy? | 19:26 |
| kline | unless they really are gluttons for punishment | 19:26 |
| AlanBell | because they wanted some money from them, plus it fits with the strategy for the unity dash being a search tool for everything | 19:27 |
| AlanBell | it is somewhat irrelevant in scale and subject to todays stuff | 19:28 |
| kline | of course its relevant, its part of canonicals income | 19:28 |
| kline | we already get adverts pushed to us by default, despite huge user backlash, and they are still asking for more and more money | 19:28 |
| kline | for a device thats not even tech prototypes done | 19:29 |
| kline | (no screen selected, no processor, etc etc etc) | 19:29 |
| AlanBell | ad revenue can't be big | 19:30 |
| AlanBell | the point of the dash is to search for everything | 19:30 |
| AlanBell | including things you might want to buy | 19:31 |
| AlanBell | the dash being the omniglobaleverything search tool is way more important a design concept than any money they might get from it | 19:31 |
| kline | then why are they getting money from it? | 19:31 |
| kline | if the money doesnt matter, why are they still collecting it despite backlash? | 19:32 |
| AlanBell | well they could give it to Amazon, or break the dash, or stick it out | 19:36 |
| AlanBell | most of the backlash was from people who clearly don't use Ubuntu anyway | 19:37 |
| kline | why not donate to the FSF? | 19:37 |
| AlanBell | why? | 19:37 |
| kline | or another foss friendly charity | 19:38 |
| kline | because canonical is a commercial support entity | 19:39 |
| Frogging|work | Because greedy corporations? idk | 19:39 |
| === homelinen_ is now known as homelinen | ||
| dekan | I did statistical analysis guys, at this time, recorded from 00:00 to 01:00, average mean of $/min based on indiegogo is around 4500-5500 $/min with not much of standard deviation. Can anyone else do statistics tommorrow with me, since two independent measurements and calculations are better, cause I probably have some relative error. THis is only for today, I want to see how rate of $/min will accelerate or deccalerate over time | 23:14 |
| dekan | , and possibly make a mathematical model to calculate if we will get to 32 000 000 $. | 23:14 |
| SonikkuAmerica | I apologize for any apparent antagonism right now, but we're actually discussing it in #ubuntu-offtopic right now! | 23:15 |
| SonikkuAmerica | s/1st right now/up front | 23:15 |
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