=== jussi01 is now known as jussi [19:16] Why exactly Canonical didn't adopt Wayland ? It seems there is no technical argument besides this decision. [19:16] behind this decision. [19:17] because they want to split the GNU/Linux community [19:17] elvis4526: there is alot. but everyone is busy shitstorming so no one reads the facts [19:18] the fact that wayland developement is too slow. sure. [19:18] http://blog.cooperteam.net/ just scroll down to begin with reading [19:19] so, between the "recommended" donation ($16) and canonical's commercial support, why is there an indiegogo campaign for the edge, a product thats not even been prototyped or priced yet? though i realise theres a -phone channel, this does seem to be more about "ubuntu or canonicals direction" [19:20] it seems odd that a $600 donation will get you a "special introductory offer", unless the phone were to come in at >$1k. though really asking 600 for an undisclosed saving seems a bit strange [19:21] $600 gets you the phone [19:21] it isn't phrased very well [19:21] no [19:21] well [19:21] maybe [19:22] point still stands why a commercial entity needs an indiegogo when they are known to be making maybe too much money already [19:22] lol [19:22] kline: making too much money? [19:23] im under the impression that canonical pushed for adverts to be included in more recent ubuntu releases [19:24] k1l_: Thanks, I'll look into that. [19:24] in addition to their commercial support, i can only imagine they are doing well. if they are happy to make such a controversial move with ads, i cant help but feel they are feeling secure in their position [19:24] kline: the adverts only make money if you buy something after you clicked that. its the average amazon referal thing [19:24] i know how clickthrough adverts work [19:24] so why are canonical asking for money when they are pushing adverts to ubuntu users anyway? [19:24] ok, than i dont know how you come to your conclusion that canonical makes too much money o_O [19:25] seems like this is not going to be constructive, so im out of that discussion :/ [19:25] you seem to think that search results in the shopping lens are considerably lucrative [19:26] if they werent, why would they implement them under such controversy? [19:26] unless they really are gluttons for punishment [19:27] because they wanted some money from them, plus it fits with the strategy for the unity dash being a search tool for everything [19:28] it is somewhat irrelevant in scale and subject to todays stuff [19:28] of course its relevant, its part of canonicals income [19:28] we already get adverts pushed to us by default, despite huge user backlash, and they are still asking for more and more money [19:29] for a device thats not even tech prototypes done [19:29] (no screen selected, no processor, etc etc etc) [19:30] ad revenue can't be big [19:30] the point of the dash is to search for everything [19:31] including things you might want to buy [19:31] the dash being the omniglobaleverything search tool is way more important a design concept than any money they might get from it [19:31] then why are they getting money from it? [19:32] if the money doesnt matter, why are they still collecting it despite backlash? [19:36] well they could give it to Amazon, or break the dash, or stick it out [19:37] most of the backlash was from people who clearly don't use Ubuntu anyway [19:37] why not donate to the FSF? [19:37] why? [19:38] or another foss friendly charity [19:39] because canonical is a commercial support entity [19:39] Because greedy corporations? idk === homelinen_ is now known as homelinen [23:14] I did statistical analysis guys, at this time, recorded from 00:00 to 01:00, average mean of $/min based on indiegogo is around 4500-5500 $/min with not much of standard deviation. Can anyone else do statistics tommorrow with me, since two independent measurements and calculations are better, cause I probably have some relative error. THis is only for today, I want to see how rate of $/min will accelerate or deccalerate over time [23:14] , and possibly make a mathematical model to calculate if we will get to 32 000 000 $. [23:15] I apologize for any apparent antagonism right now, but we're actually discussing it in #ubuntu-offtopic right now! [23:15] s/1st right now/up front