[19:16] <elvis4526> Why exactly Canonical didn't adopt Wayland ? It seems there is no technical argument besides this decision.
[19:16] <elvis4526> behind this decision.
[19:17] <hrnz> because they want to split the GNU/Linux community
[19:17] <k1l_> elvis4526: there is alot. but everyone is busy shitstorming so no one reads the facts
[19:18] <hrnz> the fact that wayland developement is too slow. sure.
[19:18] <k1l_> http://blog.cooperteam.net/  just scroll down to begin with reading
[19:19] <kline> so, between the "recommended" donation ($16) and canonical's commercial support, why is there an indiegogo campaign for the edge, a product thats not even been prototyped or priced yet? though i realise theres a -phone channel, this does seem to be more about "ubuntu or canonicals direction"
[19:20] <kline> it seems odd that a $600 donation will get you a "special introductory offer", unless the phone were to come in at >$1k. though really asking 600 for an undisclosed saving seems a bit strange
[19:21] <AlanBell> $600 gets you the phone
[19:21] <AlanBell> it isn't phrased very well
[19:21] <kline> no
[19:21] <kline> well
[19:21] <kline> maybe
[19:22] <kline> point still stands why a commercial entity needs an indiegogo when they are known to be making maybe too much money already
[19:22] <AlanBell> lol
[19:22] <k1l_> kline: making too much money?
[19:23] <kline> im under the impression that canonical pushed for adverts to be included in more recent ubuntu releases
[19:24] <elvis4526> k1l_: Thanks, I'll look into that.
[19:24] <kline> in addition to their commercial support, i can only imagine they are doing well. if they are happy to make such a controversial move with ads, i cant help but feel they are feeling secure in their position
[19:24] <k1l_> kline: the adverts only make money if you buy something after you clicked that. its the average amazon referal thing
[19:24] <kline> i know how clickthrough adverts work
[19:24] <kline> so why are canonical asking for money when they are pushing adverts to ubuntu users anyway?
[19:24] <k1l_> ok, than i dont know how you come to your conclusion that canonical makes too much money o_O
[19:25] <k1l_> seems like this is not going to be constructive, so im out of that discussion :/
[19:25] <AlanBell> you seem to think that search results in the shopping lens are considerably lucrative
[19:26] <kline> if they werent, why would they implement them under such controversy?
[19:26] <kline> unless they really are gluttons for punishment
[19:27] <AlanBell> because they wanted some money from them, plus it fits with the strategy for the unity dash being a search tool for everything
[19:28] <AlanBell> it is somewhat irrelevant in scale and subject to todays stuff
[19:28] <kline> of course its relevant, its part of canonicals income
[19:28] <kline> we already get adverts pushed to us by default, despite huge user backlash, and they are still asking for more and more money
[19:29] <kline> for a device thats not even tech prototypes done
[19:29] <kline> (no screen selected, no processor, etc etc etc)
[19:30] <AlanBell> ad revenue can't be big
[19:30] <AlanBell> the point of the dash is to search for everything
[19:31] <AlanBell> including things you might want to buy
[19:31] <AlanBell> the dash being the omniglobaleverything search tool is way more important a design concept than any money they might get from it
[19:31] <kline> then why are they getting money from it?
[19:32] <kline> if the money doesnt matter, why are they still collecting it despite backlash?
[19:36] <AlanBell> well they could give it to Amazon, or break the dash, or stick it out
[19:37] <AlanBell> most of the backlash was from people who clearly don't use Ubuntu anyway
[19:37] <kline> why not donate to the FSF?
[19:37] <AlanBell> why?
[19:38] <kline> or another foss friendly charity
[19:39] <kline> because canonical is a commercial support entity
[19:39] <Frogging|work> Because greedy corporations? idk
[23:14] <dekan> I did statistical analysis guys, at this time, recorded from 00:00 to 01:00, average mean of $/min based on indiegogo is around 4500-5500 $/min with not much of standard deviation. Can anyone else do statistics tommorrow with me, since two independent measurements and calculations are better, cause I probably have some relative error. THis is only for today, I want to see how rate of $/min will accelerate or deccalerate over time
[23:14] <dekan> , and possibly make a mathematical model to calculate if we will get to 32 000 000 $.
[23:15] <SonikkuAmerica> I apologize for any apparent antagonism right now, but we're actually discussing it in #ubuntu-offtopic right now!
[23:15] <SonikkuAmerica> s/1st right now/up front