[06:54] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[07:01] <superfly> guten morgen Kilos
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[07:55] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:55] <Kilos> yo JoTraGo Squirm 
[07:58] <mazal> Morning all
[07:59] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[08:19] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[08:29] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:15] <superfly> aloha
[09:53] <Kilos> hi space_ 
[10:05] <Kilos> hi AlphaGuyy 
[10:05] <AlphaGuyy> goodday peeps
[10:06] <AlphaGuyy> hooray huawei
[10:27] <Kilos> hi Vince_0 
[10:31] <AlphaGuyy> whos alive here??
[10:32] <superfly> depends on your definition of alive.
[10:32] <Kilos> hehe
[10:34] <AlphaGuyy> maaz, coffee please
[10:34] <Maaz> AlphaGuyy: There isn't a pot on
[10:34] <AlphaGuyy> maaz, coffee on
[10:34]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[10:34] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[10:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[10:34]  * AlphaGuyy fasting
[10:36]  * AlphaGuyy cruising irc streets on a reserve tank
[10:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for AlphaGuyy and Kilos!
[10:38] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:38] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:38] <mazal> Anybody here using a scanner ?
[10:38] <mazal> Desktop scanner , not multi functional
[10:39] <Kilos> have done mazal 
[10:39] <Kilos> simple scan only
[10:39] <AlphaGuyy> r there any cell network irc help channels
[10:40] <Kilos> i think they all use twitter
[10:40] <mazal> I need info oom Kilos , what scanners are compatible with Ubuntu ? And what software one uses. I never had a scanner on ubuntu and are thinking of getting one
[10:40] <Kilos> simple scan is installed by default
[10:40] <mazal> But don't want to sukkel tot Piet kom just to get it to work
[10:40] <Kilos> and hp products work
[10:41] <mazal> Any hp one ?
[10:42] <Kilos> ive tried 2 and both worked without installing anything extra
[10:42] <mazal> k
[10:44] <AlphaGuyy> anyone from ct?
[10:44] <Kilos> 13 meg
[10:45] <mazal> Kilos and simple scan can scan to various formats ? pdf , jpg ?
[10:45] <AlphaGuyy> is that for opera?kilos
[10:45] <Kilos> i dunno mazal i just scanned pages
[10:45] <Kilos> yip AlphaGuyy 
[10:46] <mazal> Docs I would like pdf and pics I'd like jpg
[10:46] <mazal> There's no way I can see that now without a scanner , save as is obviously greyd out
[10:47] <Kilos> i tired the scanner on windows and it made big meg pages and the simple scan make small ones but same quality
[10:48] <mazal> Maaz google simple scan formats
[10:48] <Maaz> mazal: "Simple Scan in Launchpad" https://launchpad.net/simple-scan :: "TBS - Simple Scan Station" http://www.simplescanstation.com/what_is_it.html :: "Simple Scan Station" http://www.simplescanstation.com/ :: "scanner - Simple Scan - Changing the default output File Type to ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/245113/simple-scan-changing-the-default-output-file-
[10:48] <Maaz> type-to-pdf-and-improving-compres :: "Simple Scanning Utility — Ubuntu Apps Directory" htt…
[10:49] <superfly> mazal: I got one of those HP all-in-one printer/scanner/copier/fax machines, and the scanner works out of the box
[10:50] <mazal> You use simple scan superfly ?
[10:51] <superfly> no, I use whatever comes with KDE
[10:51] <superfly> I can't remember what it's called, but it works a charm
[10:51] <mazal> Ah this is what I needed:
[10:51] <mazal> "Simple Scan
[10:51] <mazal> A really easy way to scan both documents and photos. You can crop out the bad parts of a photo and rotate it if it is the wrong way round. You can print your scans, export them to pdf, or save them in a range of image formats."
[10:51] <mazal> So it seems it can go to both pdf and image formats
[12:37] <Kilos> oh my hes breeding
[12:46] <mazal> Enjoy the evening everyone
[12:46] <mazal> bye
[12:46] <Kilos> ty mazal 
[12:46] <Kilos> you too
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> spaaaace!
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> sorry, you make me think of this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vifqXeITcvE
[14:21] <Dreen> Hizit
[14:21] <Kilos> hi free
[14:21] <Kilos> Dreen, 
[14:21] <Dreen> lol
[14:22] <Dreen> Just got home from work
[14:22] <Kilos> lucky you not a sysadmin okey
[14:22] <Dreen> why?
[14:22] <Kilos> they only starting to work now
[14:22] <Dreen> howcome?
[14:23] <Dreen> I's a dev, yo!
[14:24] <Kilos> they kinda do all the syncing and closing shop when others go home i think
[14:24] <Dreen> sounds lame
[14:25] <Kilos> and all day they fix other peeps messups as well
[14:25] <Kilos> hehe
[14:25] <Dreen> lol
[14:26] <Dreen> what you do Kilos?
[14:27] <Kilos> lets say im retired
[14:27] <Dreen> i c, then what did you do?
[14:28] <Kilos> diesel mechanic farmer and all kindsa stuff
[14:28] <Dreen> kewl
[14:28] <Dreen> sometimes i wish i worked with my hands, i mean other than on a keyboard and mouse
[14:28] <Kilos> lol
[14:29] <Dreen> my farther was a machanic 
[14:29] <Kilos> pc work is much easier and cleaner
[14:29] <Dreen> diesel machanic
[14:29] <Kilos> hard dirty work that
[14:29] <Dreen> he did bus and trucks transmissions mostly
[14:30] <Kilos> biggest job is keeping your finger nails clean
[14:30] <Dreen> lol
[14:31] <Kilos> now im the ubuntu-za greeter bot
[14:31] <Kilos> what do you do Dreen 
[14:31] <Kilos> i think you told me
[14:32] <Kilos> you were somekindapc hey
[14:32] <Dreen> yes, but it doenst matter because i will most probably forget what you do too
[14:32] <Dreen> do/did
[14:32] <Kilos> you the one with a pc shop?
[14:33] <Dreen> i am a PHP developer that wishes i could be paid for being a Clojure developer
[14:33] <Dreen> 'friad no
[14:33] <Kilos> i wonder who that was
[14:33] <Kilos> peeps come and go too fast for me
[14:34] <Dreen> lol
[14:35] <Kilos> not many here like php if im not mistaken
[14:39] <Dreen|2> lol, its no surprise, while being ultra popular, PHP is generally frowned upon
[14:42] <Dreen> I like Clojure a lot though, my past experience with OOP has put me off
[14:42] <Dreen> off OOP that is
[14:43] <Kilos> hear what the fly says is the best to use. he knows about all them things
[14:43] <Dreen> the fly?
[14:43] <Kilos> superfly, 
[14:43] <Dreen> ah
[14:44] <Kilos> hes our main fixit guy
[14:44] <Dreen> kewl
[14:44] <Kilos> used to be before life caught him that is
[14:44] <Dreen> I am always interested in learning
[14:44] <Kilos> loves python
[14:45] <Dreen> kewl
[14:45] <Dreen> I'm no PHP fanboy, just get paid for it
[14:45] <Kilos> well thats life hey
[14:45] <Dreen> if i could choose, I'd probably stop using it
[14:46] <Kilos> i think ThatGraemeGuy is also clued up with lotsa stuff
[14:46] <Kilos> hes a sysadminn
[14:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh
[14:47] <Kilos> hehe
[14:47] <Kilos> talking about you
[14:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-)
[14:47] <Dreen> ah, would be kewl to rub shoulders with some highly experienced chaps
[14:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> i could use a good shoulder rub
[14:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> are you a hot blonde?
[14:47] <Kilos> haha
[14:47] <Dreen> no
[14:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh
[14:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> my wife would frown upon that sort of thing anyway I guess
[14:48] <Dreen> so far from that, that no matter how many beers one consumes it is not likely to change
[14:48] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, married men only allowed to look
[14:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> yea you can browse the menu anywhere you like as long as you still eat at home
[14:49] <Dreen> haha
[14:49] <Dreen> how about comment on menu items?
[14:49] <Kilos> lol
[14:49] <Dreen> mmh, that looks wonderful, don't you think dear?
[14:49] <Dreen> wouldn't mind a spot of that pie
[14:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> "honey this sounds good, will you make that for a change?"
[14:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> ha
[14:50] <Dreen> mmh, I'm hungry
[14:52] <Kilos> hehe
[14:53] <Dreen> this is not me being perverse, I have had but a cup of soup the entire day
[14:53] <Kilos> aw
[14:54] <Dreen> whoa there is a clojure za chan! 
[14:54] <Dreen> wonder if anyone ever speaks in it
[14:56] <tumbleweed> there's a cape town startup using clojure
[14:56] <Dreen> what they using it for?
[14:56] <tumbleweed> everything
[14:56] <Dreen> web based?
[14:56] <tumbleweed> https://www.cognician.com/
[14:57] <tumbleweed> https://www.cognician.com/jobs/software-developer tells more
[14:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh they had a dude at scaleconf
[14:57] <tumbleweed> yeah
[14:57] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed 
[14:57] <tumbleweed> hi Kilos
[14:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> not a very good speaker IIRC
[14:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> but not completely terrible either
[14:57] <tumbleweed> interesting topic, though
[14:58] <tumbleweed> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlDJy3yXVsc
[14:59] <Dreen> that sounds frikken kewl
[14:59] <Dreen> "Does any of this resonate with you? Do you have plenty of experience with (INSERT YOUR OOP LANGUAGE HERE) and have had enough of complecting state and behaviour?"
[14:59] <Dreen> thats me
[15:00] <Dreen> I need to join that user group
[15:00] <Dreen> after I move to CPT that is
[15:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> "although we all work remotely, we're close-knit"
[15:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> contact them, you needn't be in CT
[15:02] <Dreen> yes I think i should, just for the record, i was referring to the use group that meets in observatry 
[15:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah right
[15:02] <Dreen> my fiance and I are planning to move to CPT next year you see :)
[15:02] <tumbleweed> I imagine a close resemblance between cognician employees and the cape town clojure user group
[15:03] <Dreen> yes indeed
[15:03] <Dreen> thanks for the heads up tumbleweed, and for the chat ThatGraemeGuy and Kilos
[15:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> np
[15:04] <Dreen> I must depart now and get on with some chore n' sich!
[15:04] <Kilos> cool
[15:04] <tumbleweed> Dreen: np. there is lots of fun dev work in CPT
[15:04] <tumbleweed> come and join us :)
[15:04] <Dreen> chores
[15:04] <Dreen> I will be! 
[16:07] <not_found> so anybody wanting to get an ubuntu phone?
[16:09] <Vince-0> $600 ?
[16:09] <Vince-0> not bad
[16:10] <Vince-0> but Mozilla is going to beat Ubuntu into the ground
[16:16] <Vince-0> PC boot is nice
[16:17] <not_found> we will see about the mozilla phone... every poll I have seen from users to devs have ubuntu at the top and mozilla and tizen somewhere at the bottom...
[16:19] <Vince-0> on Mir? lol nooo
[16:19] <Vince-0> I guess iOS has best dev frameworks?
[16:21] <not_found> most consistent perhaps... oh and what does mir have to do with the price of eggs?
[16:21] <Vince-0> isn't mir gonna be on 1310+ and mobile?
[16:22] <Vince-0> or at least on Ubuntu for Android
[16:24] <not_found> yes, mir and xmir will be used from 13.10 with x fallback for proprietary graphics drivers
[16:25] <Vince-0> I want mobile for PC dock - had high hopes for the Moto stuff with the Lapdocks but meh
[16:25] <Vince-0> perhaps new Moto will want this - 4gb RAM, 128GB hdd is plenty for a PC
[16:27] <not_found> the specs seem good...
[16:27] <not_found> I don't know the new battery tech they are talking about howeber
[16:27] <not_found> *however
[16:28] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 not_found  
[16:28] <not_found> alo uncle Kilos
[16:28] <Vince-0> hi
[16:28] <kbmonkey> hello
[16:29] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[16:31] <kbmonkey> I need to read up more on why ubuntu thinks its a good idea to build a separate video stack with Mir
[16:32] <Kilos> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/06/27/mir-plans-in-13-10/
[16:32] <kbmonkey> always can count on you Kilos :)
[16:32] <Kilos> im reading it too
[16:32]  * kbmonkey screens another lynx
[16:33] <Kilos> as long as it works on my pc when 14.04 comes out im happy
[16:35]  * not_found can't pledge $600 for an Ubuntu Phone cause he doesn't have his passwords and his wife isn't answering the phone at home :'(
[16:37] <kbmonkey> I've read a similar thing in mark's announcement for Mir. It does not explain the reasons for not piping those resources to the widely used X server instead. then everyone would benefit
[16:37] <kbmonkey> It seems like the "not invented here" syndrome
[16:38] <Kilos> isnt it to make fones tablets and all work the same
[16:40] <kbmonkey> sure. but as it is compatible with legacy X programs then it seems like they are just recreating all that work, they might as well put that effort forth into X itself, so that other distros could also benefit by running on fones and tablets. Or do I miss something important?
[16:40] <Kilos> ?
[16:41] <kbmonkey> and what is more, since they are working with the hardware vendors to improve display drivers, which is a major issue for most of the closed drivers, it makes even more sense 
[16:46] <inetpro> Guten Morgen
[16:46] <Kilos> guten abend mein herr
[16:47] <inetpro> oops, I mean good evening
[16:48] <inetpro> Kilos: for R189 I can get a Tap Reseater Tool at Builders Warehouse
[16:48] <Kilos> ah good
[16:48] <Kilos> you might need it for more taps in the future
[16:48] <not_found> kbmonkey: yes, canonical has the time and money to just make stuff for no good reason...
[16:49] <Kilos> if they are all that old that is
[16:49] <inetpro> and for R80 I can get a Basin Wrench
[16:49] <Kilos> and what does a new tap cost
[16:49] <not_found> oh and yes, Mark Shuttleworth is an idiot and needs his ego stroked ... not like he has been to space or anything... oh wait...
[16:49] <inetpro> eish!
[16:49] <inetpro> Kilos: new taps are crazy expensive
[16:49] <Kilos> if you get the wrench and taps arent heavy then replace the tap
[16:50] <inetpro> start at about R150
[16:50] <Kilos> is it?
[16:50] <Kilos> wow
[16:50] <inetpro> for one tap
[16:50] <inetpro> so I be shopping around first
[16:50] <Kilos> i remember moaning about R20 for a tap
[16:50] <kbmonkey> welcome to the future Kilos :p
[16:51] <Kilos> hahaha
[16:51] <inetpro> and can't exactly only replace one tap in my basin, will look odd
[16:52] <Kilos> ya maybe just fix that one then
[16:52] <inetpro> I'll try
[16:52] <kbmonkey> not_found, these changes are voted on and discussed in a board. let's not start calling names here.
[16:52] <inetpro> but first I have to wait for payday
[16:52] <Kilos> you can try silicon and car tube so long
[16:53] <Kilos> should last long
[16:53] <not_found> sorry kbmonkey... didn't think naming Mark would cause offense...
[16:54] <Kilos> ai! kbmonkey not_found play nice
[16:54] <Kilos> this is a peaceful channel
[16:54] <inetpro> hmm... 
[16:55] <kbmonkey> oh I don't take offense, ever.
[16:55] <not_found> Kilos: :) this be friendly banter (especially for a foss channel) ;)
[16:55]  * not_found slaps kbmonkey around a bit with a large trout
[16:55] <Kilos> ok
[16:55] <inetpro> eish!
[16:55] <kbmonkey> I just think it is rude calling him an idiot.
[16:56] <kbmonkey> lol!
[16:56] <Kilos> inetpro, eish! //
[16:56] <Kilos> ??
[16:56] <inetpro> I think Canonical's efforts may very well help the cause of FLOSS
[16:57] <inetpro> but perhaps I trust them to much
[16:57] <Vince-0> meh, FLOSS is for hippies. 
[16:57] <Kilos> oh thought you didnt like the silicon car tube plan
[16:57] <kbmonkey> what is floss? isn't it foss?
[16:57] <Vince-0> I kid, but Canonical is for business hippies
[16:57] <Kilos> free linux
[16:57] <Vince-0> free/libre
[16:57] <inetpro> FLOSS = Free Libre Open Source Software
[16:58] <kbmonkey> Nice, thanks inetpro :)
[16:58] <Kilos> ty goosie
[16:58] <kbmonkey> I have brain-holes
[16:58]  * kbmonkey summons forth the fleas of a thousand camels to infest not_found's armpits
[16:58] <inetpro> the fact is that they are still based on Debian and I don't think it will change any time soon
[16:59] <Vince-0> and Linux! Don't forget about Linux
[16:59] <Vince-0> although Debian has a BSD kernel recently
[17:01]  * Vince-0 shuts trap and studies LPI.
[17:01] <inetpro> the strength of Debian lies in its policies 
[17:02] <not_found> kbmonkey: perhaps you missunderstood my point... I was trying to point out the Mark isn't an idiot and I don't think he suffers from the "Not created here" syndrome :)
[17:03] <kbmonkey> all hail the Tux
[17:03] <kbmonkey> cool not_found :) just friendly banter
[17:04]  * Vince-0 chimes in
[17:04] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[17:04]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:04] <Vince-0> and Shut has to make some freakin $$ for a change - 580b doesn't go far these days
[17:04] <not_found> and pledged... bring on the Buntu Phone!!!!
[17:05] <inetpro> oh and then there is the Debian Social Contract http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html
[17:05] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:05] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[17:05]  * Vince-0 chimes out
[17:05] <kbmonkey> ping
[17:06] <kbmonkey> well folks Im going back to work. keep those fishes flying, eh? ;)
[17:07] <not_found> cheers
[17:07] <Kilos> enjoy kbmonkey 
[17:08] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos!
[17:08] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:08] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:17] <Squirm> evening
[18:19] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[18:20] <Kilos> yo SilverCode 
[18:28] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:28] <not_found> night
[18:28] <not_found> uncle
[18:28] <not_found> Kilos:
[18:28] <not_found> :)
[18:28] <Kilos> night neelsie
[18:29]  * inetpro likes the Ubuntu Edge crowd funding idea
[18:29] <inetpro> will be very interesting to see that figure grow
[18:30] <not_found> inetpro:I am refreshing constantly...
[18:30] <not_found> so far it is going like a boeing...
[18:31] <not_found> it is a good looking phone <3
[18:34] <superfly> I'm getting old. I'm ready for bed and is not yet 9pm
[18:40] <not_found> superfly: :) it is winter
[18:41] <superfly> not_found: 10pm is usually am early night for me. 
[18:41] <superfly> *an
[18:44] <not_found> just means you are tired... get some rest and you will be able to stay up longer again... the body needs what it needs...
[18:46] <inetpro> superfly: it gets worse
[18:46] <inetpro> wait until you have three kids
[18:46] <superfly> inetpro: that won't be happening for a while
[18:47] <inetpro> not_found: I'm very surprised, those numbers are rising at an incredible rate
[18:47]  * inetpro wish I had $600
[18:49] <inetpro> I installed Sleep as Android the other day and it is an amazing app to track your sleep patterns
[18:50] <not_found> I got me a fitbit flex... nice little gadget for steps and sleep monitoring
[18:50] <superfly> Night folks. I'm turning in for the night
[18:50] <not_found> inetpro: I don't really have $600....
[18:50] <not_found> but sometimes you got to do what you got to do :p
[18:50] <not_found> night superfly
[18:51] <inetpro> not_found: you pledged?
[18:51] <inetpro> good night superfly
[18:51] <not_found> inetpro: I have ;)
[18:51] <inetpro> well done!
[18:51] <not_found> So anybody interested in a slightly used Galaxy S3?
[18:51] <not_found> \o/
[18:51] <inetpro> not_found: it will be a long wait still
[18:52] <not_found> true... and sadly I don't see them pulling off 32 million
[18:52] <not_found> that is a lot of $$$
[18:52] <not_found> and at $830 it becomes perhaps just too much ...
[18:52] <inetpro> not_found: I seriosuly hope they do
[18:53] <not_found> as do I ... it looks awesome and those specs... *drool*
[18:53] <not_found> there are a few good news articles about the choice of screen size and resolution...
[18:54] <not_found> nothing about the device is trying to out do some other device, no HD screen because at that size it doesn't add value... screen size chosen because it is optimum for one handed use etc...
[18:58] <inetpro> not_found: how long do we have to go until the end of the first day?
[18:59] <inetpro> I bet you it will be more than $1m at the end of the day
[18:59] <not_found> some hours... the campaign started about 5 or 6 hours ago as far as I can tell... not sure how long the campaign was live before the announement
[18:59] <not_found> the first 5 or so mill should be quick... it is the rest I am not so sure off... once the $600 pleadges are all gone or expired the incentive drops slightly
[19:01] <not_found> they can make a nice $3 mill from the $600 pledges alone
[19:44] <inetpro> and there goes the $1m mark, within less than 5 hours