[01:41] <ahoneybun> darn web interface, I can't see who is here
[01:49] <ScottK> No one.  Everyone is sleeping.
[04:08] <manchicken> JontheEchidna: I resubmitted the proposal.
[05:49] <ScottK> Need to make sure 3f86351c2082cbcabc897dfceac95496b7876cf0 gets reverted from kdepim before the RC packages get released (see KDE release ML).
[07:54] <apachelogger_> so
[07:54] <apachelogger_> kf5 workspace fails because of xcb missing
[07:54] <apachelogger_> and plasma because of idunno
[08:02] <Quintasan> \o
[08:18]  * apachelogger_ looks at Quintasan
[09:02] <nandi1> hi
[09:22] <apachelogger_> right then
[09:22] <apachelogger_> I am too stupid to add gpg keys to launchpad
[09:32] <kidx> hello guys any one know how to downgrade from 4.11 beta 2? back to 13.04 version or stable?
[09:33] <apachelogger_> ScottK: rdieter was nice enough to push the qreal fix for calligra upstream already :)
[09:34] <apachelogger_> kidx: downgrades are not supported
[09:35] <kidx> so how do i fix teh panel disapearing so often
[09:35] <kidx> other than that i am fine
[09:35] <apachelogger_> #kde can help I guess
[09:35] <kidx> also that crashes the desktop
[09:35] <apachelogger_> well, it's beta, crashes are bound to happen ;)
[09:35] <apachelogger_> but really #kde may be best about the panel thing, and for the crashes usually reporting bugs helps
[09:37] <kidx> i did
[09:37] <kidx> and in KDE now
[09:37] <kidx> thanks alot
[09:48] <Riddell> !testers | alpha 2 candidates http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/299/builds
[09:48] <soee> apachelogger_, he can use ppapurge
[09:48] <Riddell> !testers
[09:48] <Riddell> hmm
[09:48] <soee> purge beta ppa than install kubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <apachelogger_> soee: it's unsupported.
[09:53] <apachelogger_> upstream, downstream any stream reallly
[09:59] <apachelogger_> yofel: builder now supports signing, requires setting KEYID in the codez
[10:00] <apachelogger_> also there's now ~neon-builder through which go uploads
[10:00] <apachelogger_> also qt5 for raring is trying to build
[10:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger_: what is this neon-builder?
[10:13] <apachelogger_> the thing that creates the qt5 source
[10:41] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion opencv 2.4.6.1
[10:41] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204059
[11:24] <yofel> apachelogger_: fixed workspace, but plasma hasn't been building anymore since mid-akademy (even with frameworks etc. built from git)
[11:30] <apachelogger_> yofel: getting broken all the time
[11:30] <apachelogger_> libs is changing too much apparently
[11:30] <apachelogger_> which is a good thing I reckon
[11:31] <yofel> yeah, it was either breaking on libs itself, or on ECM being behind libs
[12:30] <kidx> is there any preformance tweaks i can do to opengl or KDE to gain a preformace boost in game?
[12:57] <apachelogger_> out of space \o/
[12:57] <apachelogger_> kidx: is it a fullscreen game?
[12:57] <kidx> yes
[12:57] <kidx> somtimes lags or stutters
[13:00] <apachelogger_> ctrl-shift-f12 before starting the game, if that makes things better then the game prevents kwin from automatically doing this, so I'd talk to the game developers
[13:00] <apachelogger_> also #kde is still the place to go for support on KDE stuff :P
[13:02] <kidx> is this no kubuntu
[13:02] <kidx> KDE ubuntu
[13:02] <kidx> ??
[13:04] <Riddell> kubuntu support in #kubuntu
[13:04] <apachelogger_> Riddell: activity suggests otherwise
[13:05] <apachelogger_> yofel: ppa now all filled up :P
[13:05] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer's going to look into space bump
[13:05] <shadeslayer> as soon as I get some coffee first 
[13:06] <apachelogger_> ecm should still fit in I guess
[13:06] <apachelogger_> *try*
[13:40] <apachelogger_> Riddell: why was 'investigate packaging sddm' abandoned/postponed?
[13:41] <Riddell> was it?
[13:41] <yofel> I remember david saying something like it's little value to us right now or so
[13:41] <Riddell> hum
[13:41] <yofel> apachelogger_: do you have the session recording? (if that worked?)
[13:43] <apachelogger_> right, yes, sorta
[13:43] <shadeslayer> yep, what yofel said
[13:43] <shadeslayer> do you remember what we decided about running tests?
[13:43] <apachelogger_> at one point I forgot to resume and at another point a Qt build decided to OOM my machine
[13:43] <apachelogger_> so, I should have recordings just not complete ^^
[13:43] <apachelogger_> Riddell: I added a comment regardless
[13:44] <apachelogger_> our xcb would be too old
[13:44] <yofel> shadeslayer: value/cost not good enough as build.kde.org runs them
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:44] <shadeslayer> right, thanks for refreshing my memory
[13:46] <apachelogger_> hm
[13:46] <apachelogger_> recording is weird
[13:46] <apachelogger_> it recorded per user Oo
[13:46] <apachelogger_> perhaps I should have RTFM first :O
[13:47] <Riddell> topicdiff 13.10 Alpha 2 testing
[13:49] <shadeslayer> bad apachelogger_
[14:00] <yofel> which reminds me I need to kill of the tests in neon too -  they've been running pointlessly for long enough
[14:03] <apachelogger_> .95 is rc1, right?
[14:04] <yofel> right
[14:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: how much space do we want?
[14:14] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: 10 I'd say
[14:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: surely 32 GB's like neon4 would be too much
[14:14] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:14] <apachelogger_> perhaps also make it clear that its transitional
[14:14] <apachelogger_> and the long term goal is to replace the current neon ppa with the content of what we have in kf5
[14:14] <apachelogger_> might make it easier to give us the bump :)
[14:14] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1079150 updated
[14:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/232910
[14:18] <shadeslayer> my mouse is all weird
[14:22] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: thx
[14:22]  * apachelogger_ totally management handled kmix release issues \\o/
[14:22] <apachelogger_> all managed out now... I shall go for a swim
[14:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: wait
[14:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: do you have stuff that needs doing in KF5
[14:23] <apachelogger_> not on the build side, no
[14:23] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:24] <apachelogger_> it keeps failing due to upstream changero and raring is blocked on space
[14:24] <shadeslayer> okay
[14:25] <apachelogger_> (also assuming there are no package name diffs between raring and saucy, raring only needs sequential build triggering to get the stack built)
[14:26] <yofel> package builds done by launchpad don't fall under the size restriction
[14:26] <yofel> so just trigger them
[14:27] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:27] <shadeslayer> funny how LP works :)
[14:27] <apachelogger_> yofel: lol?
[14:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: doesn't uploading fail though?
[14:27] <yofel> shadeslayer: no
[14:27] <shadeslayer> i.e. deb uploading
[14:27] <yofel> same for package copies from other ppa's
[14:27] <shadeslayer> I see
[14:27] <yofel> fun really ^^
[14:28]  * apachelogger_ shakes head
[14:28] <apachelogger_> it was even too much for the bot
[14:29] <yofel> lol
[14:29] <shadeslayer> dude
[14:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: space granted
[14:29] <apachelogger_> anyway, I triggered super low level stuff for building
[14:29] <shadeslayer> I'm awesome
[14:29] <apachelogger_> we'll see how that goes
[14:29] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: indeed you are
[14:30] <apachelogger_> I triggered all !kde stuff (everything without kde/plasma in the name anyway) for raring
[14:30] <apachelogger_> if it builds feel free to prod kdesupport < kdelibs < plasma-framework
[14:31] <yofel> bug 1196752 is just fun 
[14:32] <yofel> and ofc ubottu ran away ;_;
[14:32] <yofel> bug 1196752
[14:33] <Riddell> Suspend only works once when using upower with logind
[14:34] <Riddell> I win!
[14:34] <shadeslayer> actually
[14:34] <shadeslayer> suspending started working for me :O
[14:34] <shadeslayer> not sure what changed though
[14:35] <Riddell> more than once?
[14:36] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:36] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:36] <shadeslayer> wait
[14:36] <shadeslayer> hmm .. yeah, you're right
[14:36] <shadeslayer> it seems last night was the first time I suspended
[14:36] <shadeslayer> which is probably why it worked
[14:37] <yofel> also fun
[14:37] <yofel> $ qdbus
[14:37] <yofel> qdbus: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/bin/qdbus': No such file or directory
[14:37] <shadeslayer> heh yes
[14:38] <shadeslayer> that's because of qt4-default and stuff I think
[14:38] <yofel> qt5 doesn't have qdbus o.O?
[14:38] <tsdgeos> it does
[14:38] <tsdgeos> you just don't have it installed
[14:38] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:38] <tsdgeos> qdbus-qt5
[14:39] <yofel> indeed I don't
[15:04] <shadeslayer> did no one test RC1 for Raring?
[15:05] <yofel> did someone apply the kdepim patch on raring?
[15:05] <shadeslayer> nope
[15:05] <shadeslayer> or well, IDK
[15:05] <yofel> then that needs to be done and it should be ready for testing
[15:06] <shadeslayer> okay, nope
[15:06] <shadeslayer> unless the patch was landed before raring was uploaded
[15:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: that's more of a runtime thing
[15:06] <yofel> what?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> the kdepim patch?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> isn't that a runtime issue?
[15:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer, yofel: I only just did the patch for saucy a few hours ago
[15:08] <Riddell> where are the raring packages now?  I'll add it
[15:08] <shadeslayer> staging ppa
[15:08] <yofel> hm, I don't see the patch in bzr
[15:08] <yofel> oh wait, that's -runtime, right
[15:09] <yofel> silly m
[15:09] <yofel> e
[15:09] <yofel> hm... 
[15:09] <yofel> Riddell: you forgot to bzr add ^^
[15:10] <Riddell> meh, thanks for keeping an eye on me
[15:25] <tsdgeos> please please pleaase
[15:25] <tsdgeos> apply that kdepim-runtime patch
[15:25] <tsdgeos> it'll destroy peoples lifes
[15:25] <tsdgeos> (it did for me) :D
[15:30] <shadeslayer> haha
[15:33] <apachelogger_>   CMake 2.8.11 or higher is required.  You are running version 2.8.10.1
[15:34] <apachelogger_> and here come the problems
[15:34] <apachelogger_> weeeh
[15:34]  * apachelogger_ goes for swim and stuff
[16:02]  * Riddell lets in kde-runtime/4:4.10.95-0ubuntu1 for the alpha
[17:17]  * yofel goes updating akonadi
[17:19] <genii> If anyone could just satisfy my curiosity... I notice on the change lists sometimes "Approved by Ubuntu Archive Robot" instead of some human... should i be worried? ;) Or actually... what is this robot?
[17:21] <shadeslayer> genii: probably the thing that moves packages from proposed to release
[17:22] <genii> Interesting
[17:24] <BluesKaj> I hope the decision to move fro proposed to release is made by a human :)
[17:25] <yofel> not in the development release
[17:25] <yofel> but I guess that robot comes into play when britney is overridden
[17:25] <genii> I guess if something is in a waiting queue for a specified time and no one makes any notes against it then it just automatically progresses to the next queue
[17:26] <genii> yofel: The one I first noticed it with was the phablet in saucy
[17:26] <yofel> I did only see it recently as well, but britney hasn't been used for that long either
[17:35] <shadeslayer> whoa
[17:36] <shadeslayer> aha
[17:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell http://i.imgur.com/lzaO3MZ.png
[17:36] <shadeslayer> genii: could also possibly the jenkins automatic stuff
[17:36] <shadeslayer> that Canonical has in place to make daily releases
[17:37]  * genii makes more coffee
[17:41] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1204182] Locale wrongly defaults to en_US.UTF8 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204182 (by Graeme Hewson)
[17:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: there's always people downloading images (though it's interesting that torrents seem to be quite popular)
[17:49] <shadeslayer> yofel: true, just thought that it's usually immediately after a release that the numbers spike
[17:49] <shadeslayer> but it seems the numbers spiked fairly recently
[18:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Will look at it tonight. 
[18:00] <Riddell> thanks :)
[18:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: ssup herald
[18:38] <shadeslayer> didn't realize you changed your name 
[18:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any updates regarding the kernel signing in Kubuntu?
[18:45] <apachelogger_> shadeslayer: actually my name is darth vader, but dont tell anyone
[18:46] <shadeslayer> yeah right
[18:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger_: any plans on building a new Death Star ?
[19:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell KDE 4.11 RC1 on raring looks fine to me
[19:04] <yofel> \o/
[19:04] <yofel> shadeslayer: I think you can just copy it once akonadi is built
[19:05] <shadeslayer> ack
[19:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: kdepim-runtime is FTBFS
[19:06] <yofel> :S
[19:06] <Riddell> yeah I still need to fix that
[19:06] <shadeslayer> seems like archive skew or sth?
[19:06] <yofel> er, really?
[19:06] <yofel> looks fine to me
[19:06] <shadeslayer> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:06] <shadeslayer>  libakonadi-dev : Depends: libboost-dev but it is not going to be installed
[19:06] <shadeslayer>  libkolabxml-dev : Depends: libboost-dev but it is not going to be installed
[19:07] <Riddell> hum, I've seen that before
[19:07] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+build/4819262
[19:07] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+build/4819261
[19:07] <yofel> Series: saucy
[19:07] <yofel> eh?
[19:07] <Riddell> I think the kdepim build had the same, different versions of boost
[19:08] <yofel> Riddell: I think you uploaded to the wrong release
[19:08] <Riddell> oh hum
[19:08] <Riddell> sigh
[19:08] <shadeslayer> indeedly ^
[19:09] <Riddell> fix uploaded
[19:10] <shadeslayer> hm, question, why can't we just seed in linux-signed-generic for Kubuntu
[19:11] <shadeslayer> there's also efilinux-signed , not sure what that is
[19:11] <yofel> wasn't it because you needed changes to the image building too? I don't know much about UEFI though
[19:11] <shadeslayer> not sure, but aren't the scripts same for Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[19:12] <Riddell> colin has todo items on that
[19:12] <shadeslayer> time to poke him?
[19:13] <shadeslayer> I just did some user support in #kde-in regarding EFI installs, where the issue was secure boot
[19:13] <shadeslayer> which is why I bought this up
[19:14] <shadeslayer> alright, I'm off to sleep
[19:14] <shadeslayer> night
[19:47] <Riddell> yay new builds!
[19:47] <Riddell> !testers
[19:47] <soee> whats going on ?
[19:49] <Riddell> new alpha 2 candidates
[19:49] <Riddell> needing testing
[19:49] <Riddell> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/299/builds
[20:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'm on it
[20:16] <Riddell> awooga
[20:17] <Quintasan> though the rsync link seems broken
[20:19] <Riddell> zsync from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20130723.1/ maybe
[20:32] <Quintasan> i386 (entire disk) - passed
[20:34] <Riddell> awooga
[21:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: did you do Live Session too?
[21:01] <Quintasan> Riddell: Not yet
[21:01] <Quintasan> Once I'm done with encrypted LVM I will do that.
[21:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: you just ran the installer directly?
[21:02] <Quintasan> Yes.
[21:02] <Quintasan> That's what the testcase says
[21:02] <Riddell> oh interesting
[21:02] <Riddell> and yeah it needs testing too
[21:15] <Quintasan> christ
[21:15] <Quintasan> Riddell: It's going to take a while since my pc psu died
[21:15] <Quintasan> I'm doing it on laptop by hand
[21:16] <Quintasan> Hmm
[21:16] <Quintasan> Live CD works
[21:19] <Quintasan> Manual partitioning as well
[21:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: I can do amd64 tomorrow
[21:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: I just did a bunch of amd64 ones
[21:33] <Quintasan> Okay
[21:33] <Riddell> Quintasan: but there's a bunch more to do, would be good :)
[21:35]  * Quintasan tries to squeeze one more vm in