[00:12] <zkriesse> Hallo all
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[03:34] <DarthBear> does anyone know of a good tutorial if you new to xchat and irc
[03:34] <DarthBear> including commands and stuff
[03:36] <Unit193> https://toxin.jottit.com/xchat
[03:36] <DarthBear> thnx buddy
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[06:28] <jjseeker> Hi I'm back again with another question if that's okay
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[06:30] <jjseeker> I would like to know if it's worth the time to learn how to install packages from .tar.gz files vs just getting the .deb package
[06:30] <jjseeker> if that makes any sense
[06:33] <wilee-nilee> jjseeker, Rarely do you need a tar install, you want to see if what your looking for is in the repos first.
[06:34] <geirha> Yes and no. You'll learn abit on how software gets built, but it generally gets messy, and the software will be hard to uninstall.
[06:34] <geirha> Oh, he left
[06:34] <wilee-nilee> tarred and feathered
[09:14] <regor> I'm having multiple issues popping up so, I'm not sure where to start. Now that things have settled down a bit and I can get online, my first issue is with my hp printer! It prints fine but scanning software say's no scanners present?
[09:15] <regor> BTW...this all started when I upgraded to unbuntu 13!
[09:47] <regor> morning pip__
[09:48] <pip__> hello
[09:48] <pip__> quiet in here...
[09:49] <regor> yeah...it is. you come in here a lot?
[09:49] <pip__> only when I need something
[09:49] <regor> :)
[09:49] <regor> is it usually this quiet this time of the day?
[09:49] <pip__> I usually try the forums - a bust t the moment clearly - first
[09:50] <pip__> I'm not on this early mostly, but it's a little busier most times I'd say
[09:50] <regor> yeah, spent a lot of time there myself
[09:51] <regor> is this place for beginners to learn about linux OS or beginners to get help with issues?
[09:52] <pip__> I'd say both, possibly more on the issues side
[09:52] <regor> :) well then I got the tight place!
[09:53] <pip__> the ubuntu channel gets pretty hectic as i recall
[09:53] <pip__> so I try here as it's a bit quieter
[09:53] <pip__> :)
[09:53] <regor> i'm logged in there too!
[09:53] <pip__> :D
[09:53] <regor> they are way over my head!
[09:53] <pip__> me too
[09:54] <regor> last time I played with linux was when mandrake just came out!
[09:54] <regor> am I showing my age? :)
[09:54] <pip__> wow, is that quite a while ago?
[09:54] <regor> several years.
[09:55] <pip__> yeah, I think. It became Mandriva & then something else I think
[09:55] <pip__> from what I hear the whole GNU/Linux thing is more people friendly these days
[09:55] <pip__> most of the time :)
[09:56] <regor> yep...your right...mandriva. When I was looking for a new distro, I found out how long ago mandrake really was!
[09:56] <pip__> lol
[09:56] <regor> linux has come a long way sine those days
[09:56] <regor> since
[09:57] <regor> has gotten more user friendly
[09:57] <regor> more...GUI
[09:57] <pip__> It's improved greatly since I started using it
[09:57] <pip__> exactly
[09:57] <regor> how long you been playing with it?
[09:58] <pip__> how long have you been using again - sounds like the wrong place to ask that actually lol
[09:58] <pip__> using linux
[09:58] <regor> :)
[09:58] <regor> yes
[09:59] <regor> I guess I should have said "using" it!
[09:59] <pip__> it was my bad, I made it sound like a 12 step channel
[09:59] <regor> I just like to play around with linux and see what it can do
[10:00] <regor> it's seems like real "computing" to me!
[10:00] <regor> not just clicking on icons
[10:00] <pip__> can you explain?
[10:00] <regor> i'm an old DOS user....guess I like the command line!
[10:02] <pip__> I'm scared of it, but getting there & I agree, it feels more "hands on"
[10:03] <regor> When I played around with DOS, I used to set up the boot process so it would load one line at a time. I could see how things were loading and I could hit "enter" each time for another command! Maybe I'm just a control freak! :)
[10:04] <pip__> lol, maybe, but it's an excellent way to learn how a computwer system really works
[10:04] <regor> :) exactly!
[10:05] <pip__> :D
[10:05] <pip__> regor; I gotta go - real world stuff
[10:05] <pip__> catch you soon bud, welcome to the community
[10:05] <regor> got ya...take care and stay out of trouble!
[10:05] <pip__> :D
[10:05] <pip__> u know it
[10:05] <pip__> !!!
[10:05] <regor> :) later
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[18:20] <[1]tom> hello
[18:22] <[1]tom> an older version of ubuntu (10.04) is advised for my colleges robotics club
[18:22] <[1]tom> but when setting up the dual boot on my laptop i've run into some issues installing the build-essential packages
[18:22] <[1]tom> is there anyone who might be able to help?
[18:24] <Unit193> 10.04 has gone EOL for the desktop, though.
[18:25] <[1]tom> would you recommend trying to use a later version? last year i tried using 12.x with out success
[18:25] <[1]tom> got lost in dependency hell with the packages they wanted us to use
[18:26] <[1]tom> but at least i got the compiler and the internet working.
[18:30] <[1]tom> i think i have decided to go for a more recent version. any reason i shouldnt go with 13? i just might have better luck with back compatibility with a slightly older version, i'm thinking
[18:38] <krytarik> [1]tom: You should go with Ubuntu 12.04 then, as it's also a Long-Term Support version.
[19:14] <jjseeker> What happens to a file if I moved it to a directory that did not exist at the time?
[19:15] <jjseeker> Is it gone forever?
[19:15] <jjseeker> lol
[19:18] <jjseeker> Well I just started searching for it using find /
[19:18] <jjseeker> hopefully I'll find it
[19:39] <jjseeker> Hello
[21:48] <regor> good morning all! I logged in last night with a question about ubuntu 13. I've been getting several error messages popping up. Once things get quieted down, it seems to run fairly well but I am having issues with scanning on my hp printer. Ubuntu seems to print just fine, most of the time, but no scanner is recognized! any suggestions?
[21:59] <wilee-nilee> regor, You might try simple scan
[22:00] <regor> thanks wilee-nilee, but that's what I was trying! Then I tried Xsane, both of which detected no scanner!
[22:02] <wilee-nilee> regor, Is the scanner part of the HP?
[22:02] <regor> Yes, it's an all-in-one!
[22:02] <wilee-nilee> regor, Give ne the model and let me look around.
[22:02] <wilee-nilee> me*
[22:03] <regor> HP Photosmart 3210 All-In-One
[22:05] <wilee-nilee> regor, Here is some info take a look and see if any scanner references are there, it is listed as working in general in ubuntu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhotoSmart3210
[22:06] <regor> OK, thanks...brb
[22:06] <wilee-nilee> Doh I forgot the ubuntu forums are down.
[22:08] <wilee-nilee> regor, Which ubuntu release do you have installed 13.04?
[22:14] <regor> Mmm, I can see the printer setup process is what I did and even had it print a test page. But, when I followed the information about the scanner, I received, "libnetsnmp.so.15: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" which is the same error that pops up when I try to scan! Also, after I typed in the command and saw the response, I got a crash report pop up telling me that...
[22:14] <regor> ...the application makeuri.py has stopped!
[22:15] <regor> yes...13.04
[22:21] <regor> after doing a lot of reading on this issue, I've come to the conclusion that 13.04 has many issues and the version I had, 12.04 has long term support, sooooo, maybe I should just start all over and reload 12.04! I mean, I'm not going to loose anything, this system is pretty new!
[22:22] <regor> and...12.04 worked great!