[00:42] popey: That option presumably got dropped in the latest kernel. [01:01] popey: you need a 3.10.0-5 kernel [01:01] or just boot the -3 one [01:03] just duped it to the main bug with -4, module option wasn't removed [01:04] optionally just removing the explicit module options you don't need because they are defaulted on works :) [01:20] semaphores=0 is a 3.8 kernel workaround for 13.04 [01:31] Sarvatt: removed, much happier now, thanks [04:47] Bonjour tout le monde ! [04:47] hi pitti [07:47] good morning desktopers [07:47] good morning seb128 [07:50] hey rickspencer3 [07:50] bonjour seb128 [07:50] hey rickspencer3 pitti [07:50] hey pitti [07:54] hey seb128, rickspencer3, pitti! [07:54] didrocks, salut ;-) [07:54] bonjour didrocks, ça va ? [07:54] fires from the morning are finally dealt, phew! \o/ [07:54] pitti: better now ;) et toi? [07:54] * didrocks shakes fist at lightdm [07:55] didrocks: je vais bien, merci [07:57] didrocks, what was the issue with lightdm? [07:58] seb128: the test image was refreshed yesterday with the lightdm version which was buggy [07:58] oh ok [07:58] sil2100 tried yesterday to run manually some stacks, but he seems he didn't went to the end [07:58] I though the fix was maybe not working [07:59] and so, this night, with the same image, all dailies stuck [07:59] because lightdm not starting [07:59] k [07:59] so tests were waiting the 2H threshold before timing out [07:59] had to blacklist the image [07:59] and rerun the tests [07:59] but everything is now delivered :) [07:59] great [07:59] (some still waiting manual publishing by sil2100) [07:59] seb128: I really think lightdm should have minimal tests [07:59] (integration tests) [08:00] didrocks saves the day! [08:00] ahah, hey larsu! [08:00] didrocks, lightdm has quite some tests, no integration ones though indeed ... [08:01] not sure that would have caught that one [08:01] seb128: we clearly see that integration tests are important :) [08:01] well, if we can't log in automatically [08:01] it would have caught it :p [08:01] yeah, I've no idea how you test that sort of thing [08:01] (even just putting it under dailies, that particular case would have been caught) [08:01] e.g how you figure "log in worked fine" [08:01] * sil2100 sees some progress so starts publishing [08:01] seb128: quite easily, have an autopilot in session, changing the config [08:02] and then restart lightdm [08:02] when back, mark the test as passing [08:02] didrocks: http://10.97.0.1:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Settings/job/cu2d-settings-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_ubuntu-system-settings_0.1+13.10.20130723-0ubuntu1.diff <- seems ok [08:02] how you determine if you are back? [08:02] ACK? [08:02] screenshot of the background? [08:02] seb128: autopilot restarts in the session [08:02] running process? [08:02] so you are in the session [08:02] (and you can as well monitor process) [08:02] as you told [08:03] k [08:03] yeah, it would be worth having [08:03] though there is a chance it wouldn't have be enough to stop that one [08:03] good morning! [08:03] lightdm was working for most people [08:03] seb128: it would for that one, all our tests failed :p [08:03] so it's our main case here ;) [08:03] you got lucky/unlucky [08:03] it's funny that your test machine hit it so often [08:03] (I would be more worried about the other, the one with "typing needed" [08:03] seb128: "so often"? [08:04] it's like 100% [08:04] it was depending on unitialized memory state [08:04] maybe triggered more with autologin? [08:04] didrocks, most people didn't hit the issue in saucy [08:04] and those who did said it was happening likely every second reboot to them [08:04] it's a 100% strike here, on both configs ;) [08:04] yeah, that's why I say you are lucky (or unlucky) [08:05] ok, I was thinking it was something that happened only on autologin [08:05] sil2100: a Laney's change! Hum, let me think about it :p [08:05] sil2100: ok ok, +1 ;) [08:05] ;p [08:05] err?! [08:05] Laney, good morning [08:06] hey [08:06] how's it going? [08:06] Laney: hey! ;) [08:06] good! you? [08:06] the third storm since last night 10pm just started [08:06] hum, ken still didn't ask to create the think client view :p [08:07] Laney, lucky you, we had some start of storm yesterday evening but it barely rained [08:07] got woken up for half an hour at 5.30am :P [08:08] bah no rain here :) we had a small heavy shower yesterday in the middle of chasing hens in the garden but back to dry heat again :-D [08:08] you'll get your punishment soon enough! [08:09] Laney: hush you or I'll set my hens on you [08:09] bwaaaak [08:09] hey Laney, seb128, didrocks ! [08:09] hey darkxst [08:09] hey darkxst, czajkowski! :) [08:09] ello didrocks [08:09] hiya [08:09] http://exastack.com/webcam/ Laney you can see the new hens :) [08:10] darkxst, jbicha: that gtk upload has better having no bug, just saying ;-) [08:11] darkxst, jbicha: the fact that you uploaded a version that failed to build on broken symbols suggest you don't even test build it [08:11] which is pretty baffling for a gtk update [08:11] seb128, I tested it, but missed the symbols file in the bzr commit [08:15] I have a patch against empathy also, that would really like to get in for alpha2 [08:15] https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/saucy/empathy/lp1203955 [08:19] try pinging pitti, he's patch piloting according to #ubuntu-devel [08:21] darkxst: queueing [08:21] FWIW, I'm patch piloting on every channel :) [08:28] seb128: hah, I found out my shell was forcing $TZ=Europe/London so s-s was always being launched with that overridden [08:28] it mostly works if I remove that :P === ara is now known as Guest55554 [08:29] lol [08:30] Laney, how come your shell forces a tz? was that a custom hack of yours? [08:30] some ancient thing in my .zshrc [08:30] I don't even remember why [08:30] sil2100: did you confirm for the webcred stack? [08:31] sil2100: I can help you if needed :) [08:31] sil2100: then, QA tests failed, I think you saw that ;) [08:31] (fortunately, doesn't seem to have impacts on the other tests for apps and so on) [08:32] good morning everyone === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [08:32] hi chrisccoulson [08:32] hi Laney, how are you? [08:32] are you in stormland too? [08:32] preeeeeeetty good [08:32] you? [08:33] Laney, sort of. it's pretty lame here - the lightning is quite far away and there hasn't really been that much [08:33] chrisccoulson, good morning [08:33] i was hoping for more [08:33] hey chrisccoulson [08:33] aww [08:33] we've had loads [08:33] i've been stood at the door with my daughters all morning watching it [08:33] chrisccoulson, how are you? [08:33] we've had a lot of rain [08:33] didrocks: I saw the QA failure, I shall poketh peoplez with a bugeth [08:33] hi seb128, i'm good thanks. although, a bit tired from my 4am start. how are you? [08:33] chrisccoulson, rain \o/ [08:33] hi didrocks [08:33] sil2100: thanks, and on webcreds? ;) [08:33] chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks [08:33] didrocks: I'm checking the webcred things and it seems to install the right stuff [08:33] one peal of thunder at 5.30 this morning lasted for 30 seconds solid [08:34] chrisccoulson, did you stay up all night celebrating the royal baby? ;-) [08:34] <1s from the lightning [08:34] sil2100: ok, do you mind after acking it then to do a followup MP to remove the undeeded rm <>.la then? [08:34] It looks like -X .ble and -X.ble works the same [08:34] didrocks: ACK ;) [08:34] sil2100: and remove that extra space, just like to stay coherent! [08:34] sil2100: thanks! [08:34] seb128, lol, not you as well. i'm quite tired of hearing about the lizard baby already ;) [08:34] lol [08:34] "the lizard baby" [08:34] seb128 has already purchased the commemorative china [08:35] damn, Laney found that out [08:35] ;-) [08:35] chrisccoulson: May it's carapace grow hard, allowing it to devour its enemies! [08:35] heh [08:35] Arse. Apostrophe! [08:41] ooh, the rain has just picked up again [08:42] it's amazing how many people are driving around this morning without any lights ojn [08:42] **on [08:43] didrocks: should I touch MIR or still a big no no ;) ? [08:44] sil2100: no, until they don't ensure ABI, robert_ancell will be responsible for it [08:44] sil2100: so, we are a month free I guess ;) [08:44] (other issues on Mir, but something else to deal with :p) [08:51] chrisccoulson, hey, anything you can do to get mozjs17 into the archives? [09:00] nice [09:00] seb128, so, I just did a dist-upgrade [09:00] I get no wireless with the new kernel [09:01] and when I reboot, I get prompted for a password because another user is running [09:01] is that a one time thing or is the kernel buggy on your hardware? [09:01] seb128, I rebooted 3 times, same effect each time [09:01] seb128, rebooting into the previous kernel, it works fine [09:02] seb128, the Network indicator doesn't seem to see the wireless [09:03] rickspencer3, seems like a broken wireless driver in the kernel then ... did you try booting the previous kernel to see if that fixes it (that would confirm the problem is coming from the kernel update) [09:03] seb128, right, like I say, in the previous kernel it works fine [09:03] that's what I am using right now ;) [09:03] ok [09:04] you should probably ping the kernel team about it... [09:04] ok, I'll log a bug [09:04] I thought you might want to be aware, though [09:04] I don't think I have exotic hardware or anything [09:06] g'day [09:11] veebers: hi! [09:11] veebers: just in case you're still up by some quantum mechanics -> LP: #1204031 [09:11] Launchpad bug 1204031 in Autopilot "Autopilot autopilot test failures" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1204031 [09:12] sil2100: we can relaunch unity checks now if you wish [09:12] sil2100: I'll let you handling that? [09:12] didrocks: acknowledged [09:12] o> [09:13] sil2100: you can stop the current build monitoring (or even restart the powerpc failing first ;)) [09:13] and relaunch as it will refind the same state [09:14] didrocks: well, it'll be failing still... Brandon was supposed to take a look at that, but he sent me an e-mail that he couldn't find the root cause ;/ [09:14] sil2100: ask to bregma then? :) [09:14] didrocks: I guess Trevinho might help as well [09:14] and an ETA [09:14] Will do [09:14] 2 weeks and half without being able to release unity is an issue IMHO [09:14] Restarting in the meantime; p [09:14] thanks! [09:14] didrocks: yes, we've been depressing ourselves about that already with Michal yesterday! [09:37] pitti, did I do the mistake to put my hand on curl? :p [09:46] seb128: apparently so :) === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:47] ah, so FJKong isn't here yet [09:49] pitti, so I ran ubuntu-bug linux [09:49] and got an error that it wasn't an official package [09:50] while I appreciate focus, I would think we would want to continue to support a kernel [09:50] ;) [09:50] rickspencer3: what does uname -r say for you? [09:51] 3.10.0-3-generic [09:51] rickspencer3: ah, that's it; -3 is indeed not in saucy any more, that's 4 [09:51] oh geez [09:51] I have 4 installed [09:51] but wireless doesn't work [09:51] that's why I wanted to report a bug [09:52] le monde va très rapide dans Ubuntu :) [09:52] pitti, c'est vrais, mais, le kernel es en painne :,( [09:52] pitti, is there a work around for me? [09:52] rickspencer3: it's probably more useful if you do this: [09:52] rickspencer3: boot into -4 [09:52] apport-bug --save ~/linux.report linux [09:53] rickspencer3: this will collect the data with -4 actually running [09:53] rickspencer3: then reboot back into -3, and apport-bug ~/linux.report [09:53] data from a working -3 might be less useful [09:53] rickspencer3: there is a s3kr1t workaround for this "not an ubuntu pkg" check, too, but I believe the above is more useful [09:54] pitti, ok [09:54] I'll do as you suggested later today [09:54] when I have time [09:54] thanks [09:54] rickspencer3: alors, le monde casse très rapide aussi :/ [09:55] je pense, c'est pas necessaire [09:55] oui, broken wifi is rather high on the OMGkittens scale [09:55] on peut bouger rapide et avec la securité ausi [09:56] however, I probably can't really write that in French ;) [09:56] j'ai le comprends [09:56] err, j'ai le compris [09:57] the new kernel broke -intel video for larsu as well [09:57] * seb128 notes to not upgrade [09:57] back ti out! [09:57] back it out! [09:58] he gets no /dev/dri/card0 with it [09:58] larsu, did you ping the kernel guys about the issue? [09:58] no video and no wifi [09:58] that sounds pretty critical [09:58] WFM on arrandale, but I realize that this is getting old [09:58] * seb128 joins #ubuntu-kernel and see larsu replying [09:58] note that module option parsing is completely broken in -4 [09:58] seb128: talking to them right now, they suspect it's a regression that's fixed in -5 [09:59] seb128: I'm installing that right nowand trying it [09:59] that might impact a lot of modules [09:59] is -5 in saucy? [09:59] seb128: still in -proposed, I'm wgetting it [09:59] oh [09:59] seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~apw/master-next-saucy/ [09:59] rickspencer3, you might want to try -5 as well to see if it fixes your issue [10:03] rickspencer3, do you have like 11n=off type options for your wireless, that would be an issue with -4 [10:03] apw, yes [10:03] dammit [10:03] lol [10:03] apw, I will fix it [10:04] move to -5 and you should be able to have them [10:04] a parsing bug which was tickled in -4 [10:07] hmm [10:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeAndDate#Time_zone [10:09] do we have a library that gives a city -> timezone mapping? [10:10] GNOME parses the database which gives region & city -> timezone [10:11] I think our indicator uses the geolookup webservice [10:11] but we only have a gtk api for that already [10:12] Laney: $ curl http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup [10:12] yes [10:12] I need a list of cities and their timezones to implement what the design asks for [10:13] Surely that's what tzdata is all about? [10:13] it's not a very complete list of locations, is it? [10:14] The person in a little village in southern England, isn't going to mind picking London. [10:15] seb128: is there a reason not to do https://code.launchpad.net/~manishsinha/ubuntu/saucy/nautilus/move-to-zeitgeist2/+merge/173099 ? [10:15] Laney, try checking with xnox maybe what are their plan for the ootb dialog if it needs to do that [10:15] /everyone/ in England will have to pick London [10:15] reading. [10:15] seb128: (I'll apply the patch to the real packaging branch etc., just checking whether we want it in general; libzg 2 is already on the images [10:16] pitti, no reason that I know about, we already use the new version in gedit [10:16] seb128: ack [10:17] Laney: what does the datetime panel in indicator-datetime use? [10:17] larsu: there's a 'completion' widget provided by libtimezonemap [10:17] Laney: right, so we have the timezonemap with GI bindings and images to do the timezone. Look at qt ubiquity, it has some map on it? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Installation/Timezone [10:17] Laney, so, I'm working on the phone panel UI ... do you prefer having different small reviews (e.g one by "page") or should I just stack everything and send a bigger one to review later? [10:18] xnox: ah, interesting [10:18] Laney: i wonder if that is gtk widget nonetheless [10:18] seb128: Depends - if they get too stacked it's confusing/annoying to request changes lower down [10:20] xnox: hmm, I think that comes from d-i? [10:20] the drop-downs that is [10:21] Laney: the drop-downs, yes, which bit are you after? the clicky map or list of timezones? [10:21] xnox: The list, but it's not a list of timezones - it's a list of cities [10:21] mapping to timezones [10:22] Laney: so the new timezonempa, ships one, i think..... [10:23] Laney: well, we do ship /usr/share/zoneinfo [10:24] I see a cities15000.txt [10:25] didrocks: ah! I forgot to ask about something yesterday [10:25] didrocks: it's about unity-mir [10:25] If geoname-lookup can do this though, that might be alright TBH [10:25] would it be bad to have to be online to do that search? [10:26] didrocks: currently unity-mir is depending on some funky non-trunk versions of platform-api and qtubuntu that won't get merged in yet [10:27] didrocks: me and Gerry been wondering if maybe we could create a new 'stack' for those, daily-building and daily-releasing to a separate PPA [10:28] didrocks: so that the guys could have daily builds for testing purposes [10:28] Laney: it's ok to be online, but the idea about including cities15000 is for search to work the same with / without internet connectivity. As at the moment in the installer, if you are online you can select Beijing, but if you are offline you can only select Sanghai and some people get upset. [10:28] Before it gets mature enough for daily-releasing [10:28] xnox: why's that? [10:28] I see both in there [10:29] Laney, right, I'm going to add some extra content before submitting, it makes review a bit harder but it avoids the stacking issue [10:29] k [10:29] Laney, xnox: better to not require data on a phone to be able to select your timezone [10:30] not everyone is having datas yet, and even when you do, you might not want to do roaming when travelling [10:30] but you are likely to want to change your timezone while travelling [10:30] I think I will try to use the timezonemap api for this [10:30] sounds good [10:30] seb128: sure, the miminal set of timezoneinfo is something like ~100 entries (basically all 26 timezones +/- a few aliases) [10:30] did you check if qt provide anything there? [10:31] Laney: there are rumours that "Qt 5.1 withh get its own full Time Zone support directly in QDateTime" [10:31] I looked but didn't find anything [10:31] but i'm confused what that means. [10:31] http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/qt5-stable/qtcore/qdatetime.html [10:31] Laney: i guess you also saw http://silmor.de/qtstuff.tzone.php on parsing tzdata files directly. [10:32] doesn't seem useful [10:32] xnox: yes, but tzdata isn't enough [10:34] * xnox looks at the design. [10:35] sil2100: hey, I just chcked my messages before bed. Right I have that noted, do you mind sending out an email to the autopilot-dev ML? [10:35] veebers: will do! Thanks :) [10:36] sil2100: no worries, we'll get those issues sorted quicks as :-) [10:38] Laney: hmm... well if there are internets talk to the geolookup service libtimezonemap style, if there isn't I'd just propose a list of /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab as that one is small and has all timezones. The cities15000.txt should be excellent, if we can ship it on the phone & libtimezonemap provides enough api to parse/search it sensibly. [10:48] didrocks: also, in the end, you think unity-mir would fit in the mir stack? [10:48] The final version I mean [10:48] didrocks: since basically it's something more like qtubuntu, but more related to mir [10:49] didrocks: so I was actually wondering if it should be mir, unity or platform [10:49] ;| [10:56] xnox: libtimezonemap1-dev misses Depends on packages its pcfile Requires [11:03] Laney: *sigh*. This was recently brought up as a mass-bug-file in debian, i guess I should one day teach debhelper to auto-add those. === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:03] Laney: branch merge proposals welcome \o/ =) [11:03] in the mean time. [11:04] :( [11:09] Laney, small needs fixing on your datetime mp, if you could just push a commit which does "make pot" so we get translations with it [11:09] seb128: ok, you want those at the time? [11:09] I thought you liked to batch them [11:09] no, I don't, I just tend to forget myself about it :p [11:10] ideally we would run "make pot" every time we change a string/add one [11:10] I don't have that makefile target [11:10] e.g if we add an UI we should include the updated template in the merge proposal [11:10] Laney, cd po; make pot [11:10] ah I have to do it in there [11:11] done [11:12] Laney, thanks, approved [11:12] thank you! [11:13] xnox: hmm, I can't get at the information inside [11:13] can we make cc_timezone_location_get_property into public API? [11:14] Laney: anything you wish. it's fairly new addition of cities15000 and nobody is actually using it properly, so i'd expect the API to be incomplete at the moment. [11:15] I get a list of all the entries - that seems fine; it's I now need to be able to query them [11:33] seb128: shoudl be in the mirslave for now [11:33] grrr seb128 stop talking! :) [11:33] sil2100, ^ [11:33] sil2100: should be in the mirslave for now [11:33] didrocks, :-P [11:33] sil2100: then, once stabilize, we'll see :) [11:33] but unity8 will dep on it for sure [11:33] ;D [11:33] Ok [11:34] sil2100: they should get their API merged first ;) [11:34] sil2100: no daily release without that I'm afraid, it should push them to stabilize :) [11:35] didrocks: right ;) Well, anyway, hmm [11:35] didrocks: one more thing - are you knowledgable in the autolanding parameters in our cu2d-config branches? [11:36] didrocks: since hm, to get at least autolanding working, we need custom platform-api and qtubuntu packages used ;/ [11:37] sil2100: no, and I think we shouldn't add yet-another-ppa [11:37] sil2100: so really, they should merge in platform-api and qtubuntu their first shot [11:37] didrocks: ah, ok then [12:02] xnox: didn't need it after all [12:03] you expose the proper GObject properties === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:00] I haz overwhelmingly huge list of cities [14:11] is there a page for minimum or recommended system requirements for using Unity? [14:15] I guess I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/UnityHardwareRequirements after some GOogling ;) === pkern_ is now known as pkern [14:16] seb128: rebooted and now my main desktop also doesnt realize the external monitor size and i have very low resolution [14:16] you remember: my launcher had the built-in screen resolution, but after logging in i got desk with 1080p [14:16] that doesnt happen anymore :) [14:17] asac, uname -r ? [14:17] uname -r [14:17] 3.10.0-4-generic [14:17] bad kernel? [14:17] asac, buggy kernel [14:17] wow [14:17] yes [14:18] update to -5 [14:18] i dont have any updates yet [14:18] you probably get the same "/dev/dri/card0: no such file or directory" as larsu was getting earlier [14:18] * asac runs apt-get update again [14:18] asac, it was blocked in proposed I think [14:18] but it should be unblocked [14:18] asac, reboot and pick -3 otherwise [14:18] its not there yet [14:18] * larsu confirms that -3 works fine [14:19] apw, ^ is -5 still in proposed? [14:19] is there a way we can add a test for automation to check for that in future? [14:23] asac, good question for the kernel team ;-) [14:23] i also asked on -managers [14:32] didrocks: is the failing ati test using a build from source? or is it using system-compositor-testing ppa ? or your daily ppa ? [14:32] seb128, it was held there yes for a2 [14:32] kgunn: just answered on #ubuntu-mir :p [14:33] :) [14:33] ta [14:33]