[00:15] last few saucy images feel good. === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [00:47] is ubuntu touch usable as yet ? [00:49] I'm just curious on the grouper development. Anyone have up to date status for Nexus 7 touch? [00:51] I'm a developer, and I was wanting to tests some tablet ideas for grouper. I need to know what currently works and what doesn't. [01:03] @mhall119, that's even better. Is there a date? [01:08] It's Thursday, 09:30 Pacific (from his G+ page) [01:18] Is everybody going crazy here now? :) [01:20] lenz: we did crazy 10 hours ago [01:20] or, rather, for nearly the last 10 hours straight [01:21] Graogg: camera and audio don't work on grouper, but other than that it runs great [01:22] I was hereshortly before release of those videos [01:22] there was noone... [01:26] lenz: we were crazy on the inside :) [01:26] also, and I can't officially confirm or deny this, but some of us may have danced around like Justin Beiber fans when we hit our first $1 million [01:27] Yeah I imagine [01:27] Do you think it will succeed? [01:28] Will Mister Shuttleworth just chip in the rest? [01:28] :D [01:31] lenz: It seems to be a matter of some speculation on that [01:33] I heard he was selling those pocket diamonds, by the way about the stupidest thing for him to say with the diamond troubles in Africa, his dual citizenship and the theft of a cultural term ubuntu, just an opinion I do use ubuntu. [01:38] wilee-nilee, havent seen it from that angle yet [01:39] but you're right [01:39] I liked it though, it came out of nowhere [01:39] he really is a good marketer [01:40] I have no problem with shuttleworth, just a degree in Black Studies, so I have a little different perspective. [01:41] the world is a complex place [01:45] hi all, is this the correct channel for questions about the campaign? [01:46] wilee-nilee, I'm a little worried the chinese/koreans will try to beat canonical to it and release a similar cheaper phone before the edge ships [01:47] a phone running Ubuntu, that is [01:48] lenz, Heh, it is open source. [01:48] i am interested in doing the 600 USD perk but i can't find any information for donors on indiegogo's page. has anyone else used them? [01:48] might be a good thing, the more the merrier [01:49] Hey ladies and gents, I have some questions about apps in Ubuntu vs apps in Ubuntu for Android on the new Edge (or other dual boot phone). Does Ubuntu for Android load apps that are for Ubuntu? Or are two sets of apps needed? One for the phone (Ubuntu) and one for the convergence platform (Ubuntu for Android)? [01:50] if they dont hit 32m do you get your money back? [01:51] does indiegogo actually debit the money from your account instantly or once the campaign is over? [01:51] how does this work? :( [01:52] dcope, yes you do get your money back, AFAIK they charge you once the goal is reached [01:52] ok [01:52] did anyone else in here pledge? [01:52] Read the website I'm sure they put it there [01:53] I wiash I could spare the 630$ [01:53] :( [01:53] They charge you immediately, and refund if the funding fails. [01:53] lenz: they do not mention [01:53] RAOF: excellent, thank you. [01:55] Ubuntu is really starting to differentiate itself so much from linux in genreal [01:56] It seems to try to be catering to a poweruser / high-end market [01:58] lenz, they are trying to push convergence. They don't really care too much about the highend market, IMHO [01:59] who gets the interest if they collect now? [02:01] wilee-nilee, they can't collect now. That's how these crowd sourcing projects work, they must meet their goal [02:02] I didn't figure the did. [02:02] they* [02:02] did they say what kind of cpu this will have? [02:02] other than "fastest multi-core" o_o [02:03] No, they will try to pick the best available CPU shortly before release.... which is the right thing to do... [02:03] yes but what architecture? [02:03] Hi, i am having an issue with returning to android. When i use the command "./flash-all.sh" it says that i don't have permission to do that. But if i add sudo before it, it says it can't find it. Help please. [02:03] You think they may try to use what money they'll get to influence the ARM market? [02:04] Mark straight out said he wouldn't be buying the sedan of CPUs. [02:07] lenz: dcope no, your money is debited immediately, you get a refund if we don't hit 32M [02:07] vthompson: wilee-nilee ^^ [02:08] I want the interest if all returned, lol [02:08] good luck with that [02:09] gotta have dream [02:09] ;) [02:09] wilee-nilee, with rates as they are you'll just have to forgo the 2 dollars [02:09] wilee-nilee, but given the trajectory for the day I'd say you'll be OK :) [02:09] lol, 1 month at a million alone is a nice chunk [02:09] i see... thank you popey :) [02:10] this is a very exciting product [02:11] Can someone answer my question: I have some questions about apps in Ubuntu vs apps in Ubuntu for Android on the new Edge (or other dual boot phone). Does Ubuntu for Android load apps that are for Ubuntu? Or are two sets of apps needed? One for the phone (Ubuntu) and one for the convergence platform (Ubuntu for Android)? [02:12] vthompson: ubuntu for android is basically ubuntu desktop running on top of the android stack with a few interesting patches [02:13] vthompson: so you have two sets of apps, android ones that run in android, and standard ubuntu ones that run on ubuntu [02:13] popey: is that available now? [02:13] ubuntu for android is being used internally, it's not publicly available [02:13] oh, the video demo makes it sound like its available to the public :( === _salem is now known as salem_ [02:14] popey, So if an app is installed for use on Ubuntu Touch, it will also work in Ubuntu for Android? But is the converse true? Will all my apps in Ubuntu for Android (Libre Office, Thunderbird, etc) work in Ubuntu Touch? [02:14] Ah, hang on. [02:14] vthompson: from the video demo, yes [02:14] vthompson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtNhlVn3ETQ#at=25 [02:15] There's three things you're talking about now. [02:15] Ubuntu desktop, Android and Ubuntu Touch [02:15] The edge dual boots, between android (+ubuntu for android) and ubuntu touch [02:15] I'm ignoring Android for the time being [02:15] Ok, I'm only concerned with those two [02:15] so yes, we are converging the touch stuff back into the desktop [02:16] I see that, and that makes complete sense to me. [02:16] Is the converse true? [02:16] (for any small value of true) [02:19] Also, I take it that it's shared storage. How would Touch know to ignore desktop apps (if that's what will happen). Is that done through click packages? [02:20] how often are new ubuntu touch builds released? [02:20] also is it easy to upgrade on a n4? [02:20] dcope, daily [02:20] wow [02:20] for a small value of true, yes [02:20] subject to apps working on mir in 14.04 [02:20] dcope, it's a well oiled machine that is making sure the various things that change often are tested early and often [02:21] vthompson: is it stable? i'd love to put it on my nexus 4 that i use for my main phone [02:21] popey, I'm very excited. I was (honestly) pretty sad that convergence was being tackled before a stable mobile platform... but with the demand that exists you guys must know more than me :) [02:22] popey: so there's nothing yet for running android apps under the ubuntu touch UI, but it'll require dual-booting? [02:22] dcope, for the Nexus 4 you probably won't have issues and there are probably 10 people in this room right now running it on the same device... [02:22] vthompson: awesome, is it easy to upgrade to a new build or do you have to flash and lose all data? [02:23] dont see any mentions about upgrading on the wiki [02:23] dcope, it apparently is as of the last few days... but I don't know much about it... [02:24] ajmitch_: we don't currently plan to enabling running android apps under ubuntu touch [02:24] dcope: you can apt-get to update ubuntu bits [02:24] and when you flash, you get to keep your /home on the device [02:25] awesome [02:25] ill install it now :D [02:25] popey, ajmitch_ first one to monetize a dalvik VM in Ubuntu might profit heavily :) [02:25] sell the app for a quarter [02:26] or they'd encourage people to step up & get it working for free [02:26] ajmitch_, major apps certainly will. [02:27] * ajmitch_ hasn't installed the ubuntu touch image on his nexus 4 due to wanting to keep android usable :) [02:28] ajmitch_, xda could probably help you dual boot both OSes. I'm sure the Nexus 4 community is huge and helpful [02:30] Oooooo, over/under on getting to 3 million in 12 hours? [02:31] heh, followed install wiki [02:31] cant even find the packages even after updating sources [02:31] well, that was a complete failure -_- [02:31] dcope, what version of Ubuntu are you running? [02:33] dcope: did you enable networking? [02:34] just rebooted, it's in a vm... trying again [02:34] and can you be more specific, maybe pastebin [02:34] sure, if it persists ill paste the full output [02:37] popey, I hate to poke you on this, BUT you were the last to update the wiki... when will the porting guide be updated for the new flip images? [02:37] I honestly don't know. I am out at OSCON. [02:38] I would poke rsalveti sergiusens and dholbach when they are awake [02:38] popey, eh, this my reluctance. [02:38] it'll be this week for sure [02:38] hopefully our images will be using the updated git repos in phablet.ubuntu.com by default from tomorrow on [02:38] there you go [02:38] I'm also finishing a port for galaxy s2 lite [02:38] rsalveti, awesome! I've been waiting too patiently. [02:38] thank you rsalveti [02:39] and will do one for galaxy s as well, so I can see what might be the issues there [02:39] vthompson: yeah, it took a bit of more time than we wanted because we spent last week working in the test infra side [02:39] rsalveti, so preemptive question. Will I need to build (most) all of CM still? [02:39] so we can validate the daily images before they can be consumed by phablet-tools [02:39] for proper dog fooding [02:40] still, but we're reducing it as we go [02:40] understood, I didn't think it'd be easy to switch everything over [02:40] once we merge mir, we'll remove the need for surface flinger [02:40] and once we integrate our new media decode implementation, we'll be able to remove the media service from android [02:40] rsalveti, mir isn't until 14.04 though right? [02:40] 14.04 is the goal for the desktop [02:40] for touch we'll be using mir for 13.10 already [02:41] k [02:41] we even got an image with it already, but still heavily wip [02:41] Thanks mhall119, and when you say the audio doesn't work, does that include the mic pickup? [02:42] rsalveti, I guess my main question is that while porting I had troubles with compiling the radios and other things in CM, will I be able to skip that with the new process? [02:42] well, it all depends, hopefully it'll get easier over time [02:42] hm [02:43] rsalveti, is there a primer (non porting related) on how the new flip images work? [02:44] Also, is working on the audio problems of grouper something I could try to track down? If you could send me what details, or where to look for more info, that would be helpful. [02:45] Graogg: as far as I can tell, yes [02:45] Graogg: I'm not sure what exactly the problem is, I think somebody told me it was missing some configuration (possibly for PulseAudio), but I'm not sure [02:45] Graogg: rsalveti might be able to tell you more [02:46] rsalveti, the doctor is on call, I suppose. You can forget my inquiry--I'll wait for the guide [02:47] vthompson: you'll boot in ubuntu directly, but there a lot of more details in there [02:47] yeah, we'll be updating it tomorrow (at least I hope to spend most of the day doing that) :-) [02:47] Graogg: seems the default mixer settings there is not enabled by default [02:47] Ok, if its just a low priority issue that hasn't been looked at hard, I would be willing to help. [02:47] rsalveti, \o/ your time is appreciated!!! [02:48] I believe if you open alsamixer, and enable Int Spk it should work [02:49] we just need to look in more details on how to get that enabled by default [02:49] but I still need to debug why video decoding is not working in there [02:49] I got a nexus 7 as well, so now I can debug those issues (hopefully later this week) [02:50] camera with latest image is almost working [02:50] you can see the image, but you can't yet take pictures (it crashes for some unknown reason) [02:50] Awsome, is the current public image stable, or should I wait for an update before playing around with it? [02:53] well, it's quite usable, but there are a few things missing for nexus 7 still [02:53] hopefully that will get fixed later this week [02:54] Thanks. [03:02] Just < $30,000 from getting $3 Million in 12 hours. >300 devices at $600 to go... I feel like I'm watching QVC... sigh [03:02] <300 devices at $600... [03:03] when is the 12hr mark? [03:03] RobbyF, 3 minutes ago from my clock... [03:04] well hopfully there are a few large paychecks for everyone [03:04] tax refunds or something. [03:04] aaaaaaand we're over 3m [03:05] rsalveti, \o/ [03:06] At this pace they'll be the most funded crowed sourced project in just over 24 more hours [03:06] should get 120,000 in the next few hours. (5000limit) [03:07] RobbyF, only 203 left [03:08] Those 203 will be gone in 2 hours [03:08] yup [03:08] I hope the next Nexus device gets supported. [03:09] phone and tablet that is. [03:09] Probably 1 hour.... I have no need, but my trigger finger is getting itchy [03:10] RobbyF, when's the next Nexus to be released? [03:10] I think the next is a 7" tablet and the end of this month. [03:10] rumour based of course. [03:12] I say we all (by we, I mean me) take a pull of what's in front of us when all 5000 sell out... in an act of morning. [03:14] lol [03:16] 104 remain. [03:16] ok so i installed it [03:17] saw the shell on my phone [03:17] clicked power button to reboot device and now it's stuck on the Google splash screen [03:17] it should have rebooted on it's own. [03:17] >.< [03:17] should i reflash? [03:17] I would. [03:17] it won't need to download the files this time so will take like 4 min. [03:18] vthompson, 85 [03:18] RobbyF: alright i can't get it past the google screen so flashing isn't working [03:19] can you do 'adb devices' [03:19] yeah, i see it there [03:19] might have to do it the manual way [03:20] did it install the CWM recover? [03:20] RobbyF, I don't get the acceleration of how much they are selling. This is just odd. [03:20] the last few are a race/temptation limits [03:21] dcope: I am currently experiencing the same issue [03:21] which devices? [03:21] RobbyF, Yea and I'm right there... with a CDMA carrier and still tempted [03:21] nexus 4 [03:22] dcope, reflash should work, I was using it on my nexus 4 last week [03:22] using it on my galaxy nexus right now [03:22] alright [03:22] i just did adb push... taking forever [03:22] seems like 44 MB should move faster over usb 2.0..... [03:23] it shouldn't be to long to push it. [03:24] dcope, 830 KB/s (31632008 bytes in 6.394s) [03:24] mine took 41s for whatever reason [03:24] o_O [03:25] anyways, about to push teh second zip [03:25] i'll race ya lol. [03:25] you'll win :PO [03:25] :P [03:26] RobbyF, 11 left. [03:26] 4648 KB/s (367177224 bytes in 77.141s) [03:26] that was from earlier [03:26] 76 seconds this time. [03:28] I'm pretty sure there exepectations were 3-4m the first day how ever. [03:28] 5k * $600 = 3M [03:30] umm vthompson [03:30] 5025 / 5000 [03:30] but it shows sold out now. lol [03:33] 5030! [03:33] Yup [03:33] And it keeps climbing [03:34] It's all bill gates [03:34] I guess the next announcement there should be something like: 5000 more at $600 [03:37] ok both zips pushed [03:37] just rebooted [03:37] now the loading bar is stuck at about 75% [03:37] and it just rebooted [03:37] wtf [03:37] odd. [03:38] omg it worked [03:38] !!!! [03:39] \o/ [03:39] thank you RobbyF et al! [03:39] have fun. [03:41] bed time for me now, off to the tablet for google + updates [03:47] how can i change the clock? === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo [03:58] is there no way to change the ubu touch system clock? [04:02] Hello, I have a Karbonn A9+ in India or Cherry Mobile Flare S100 in the Philippines [04:02] I am wondering if you have an UBUNTU OS for Mobile [04:02] for this kind of phone [04:03] Do you have UBUNTU OS for phones that do not require specific model to install? [04:05] Somebody that could help me with this Karbonn A9+ / Cherry Mobile Flare S100 for testing for Ubuntu Mobile [04:05] I am more than happy to help you all for testing for this mobile device [04:07] guys, I have to use a mouse with my nexus 7 because the screen is broken, is there a way to make the mouse pointer visible? [04:08] go to developer options for that [04:08] under settings [04:14] I was looking for that but I can't find developer options in the settings === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun_afk_afk [04:25] just to be clear I am talking about ubuntu, not android. [04:53] Could anyone help me at the moment> [04:53] ? === salem_ is now known as _salem [05:11] hi everyone [05:13] i am currently using the image from "http://system-image.ubuntu.com/" on my nexus. do i need to use adb to apply upgrades or can i run the command: "system-image-cli" from the terminal app on the nexus 7? [05:13] for clarification, this is a nexus 7 [06:06] hello everybody! [06:06] anybody here online? [06:07] I need some hepl t be envolved into the development procees of ubuntu-touch... [06:07] I need some hepl to be envolved into the development procees of ubuntu-touch... [06:09] Hi [06:10] Is it possble to run ubuntu phone on the HTC 8X [06:10] Hi [06:10] you can try to see your phone in the list of supportedd devices... [06:11] here is the link - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [06:11] or you can try to port it to your device [06:15] bolad: No, it's not possible to boot anything but Windows Phone on the 8X [06:18] hey guys.. i am new to ubuntu core apps [06:18] and playing around with clock app [06:18] RAOF: It is because ubuntu-touch is using some proprietary android binaries to run and build? [06:18] what a dissapointment , the Phone specs are awesome but the OS is crap === Guest89941 is now known as Zic [06:18] is there a way to delete presets in Timer app? [06:19] bolad: because it is under development [06:19] mezenok: No, it's because the 8X is a Windows Phone with a locked bootloader and on linux kernel that runs on it. [06:19] i think we can make conclusions only when it will be ubuntu-phone will be ready. [06:20] ROAF: thx a lot for explanation :) [06:20] Hi guys [06:20] Nice job @ indiegogo :) [06:20] What device would you guys suggest for Ubuntu Touch meanwhile? [06:36] installed :) [06:36] lauri: The various Nexi work well - Nexus 7, Nexus 10, Nexus 4. [06:37] I just finished installing on Nexus 4 [06:37] not getting any cell signal :-\ [06:38] wifi is running, thought I couldn't find an option to connect to hidden network [06:45] RAOF: What about Galaxy Nexus? [06:45] That's one of the core supported phones I believe. [06:46] alright what I gather from G+ posts etc is that there is no 3G or 4G connectivity at this point? [06:46] and if you can hack it together you lose simultaneous wifi? [06:48] I'm not sure; I've been doing it on a N7, which doesn't have a mobile radio. [06:49] hmm alright [06:50] is "Ubuntu for Android" available? the overlaid or parallel operation [06:51] or is the Touch preview all we've got at this point in time? [06:55] <_5m0k3> endi: U4A is not available, yet [06:56] 5m0k3; thanks :) [06:57] well with no Mobile Data connection or ability to make a phone call I guess I'll be flashing 4.2.2 back lol [06:58] definitely glad to know the process of flashing it successfully tho :) can't wait to try a functional version [06:58] hi! How can I delete online accounts that were created with uoa-create? [06:59] barry: cool! [06:59] there is an option in system-settings but it doesn't seem to work yet. [07:14] Hey all [07:14] hi ForbiddenX_ [07:15] I have a quick question: I've tried to install ubuntu-touch on my Nexus 4, but it gets stuck on the Google logo when booting for the first time :( [07:18] I also see "E:Can't mount /cache/recovery/log" [07:18] Is this something I should be worried about? === edulix2 is now known as Edulix === Edulix is now known as edulix [07:33] Do I need to be using Quantal ? Or can I use saucy [07:33] ForbiddenX_: did you follow any instructions? [07:34] Yes I was trying to follow: http://nali.org/how-to-flash-install-ubuntu-touch-on-galaxy-nexus/ [07:34] I am trying to use OSX to do it as I don't have my Linux partition up and running yet [07:36] ForbiddenX_: the official images by now are saucy and we have some tools that nicely do the installation for you [07:36] Would you happen to have a link to those tools? [07:36] :) [07:37] ForbiddenX_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install [07:37] ForbiddenX_: but these install from linux [07:37] as far as I know [07:37] haven't tried from MacOS [07:37] ForbiddenX_: this wiki shows the tested path, I'd give it a try [07:38] Ahh yea I saw those as well. I don't have access to those commands in OSX. I will have Ubuntu ready soon and I will give it a try! [07:38] Thanks a bunch :) [07:38] Much appreciated [07:38] ForbiddenX_: you may want to go back to android before attempting another install [07:38] there are also instructions there [07:38] ForbiddenX_: I have no idea what status your phone is in [07:38] My phone just sits on the "GOOGLE" screen [07:38] and then turns off [07:40] ForbiddenX_: there are plenty of things on that wiki that you could try, if your phone is visible via adb or you can boot it into recovery mode you should be fine [07:40] ForbiddenX_: but follow the official instructions, you'll be safer [07:40] Yes fortunately I can access my phone through adb [07:41] ForbiddenX_: cool, then attempt the next install from your linux [07:42] ForbiddenX_: gotta go now, there's more people around here later in the day [07:42] Yea I will definetly try that! [07:42] Ok take care, thank you for your help [07:42] ForbiddenX_: no problem === nik90 is now known as nik90|Office === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:23] ricmm: you there? [08:24] Hi guys === ara is now known as Guest55554 === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [08:36] hi guys, congratulations for the Ubuntu Edge project but I have some questions [08:43] current ubuntu touch images uses mir as display server? [08:44] deathcrawler, I don't think that's quite ready yet [08:46] So images are using Surfaceflinger yet [08:46] asac, so do you thinnk all yellow is good enough to switch 20130722 to /current (so we finally get a new image out (it is 6 days already)) [08:49] Good morning all, happy Sweet Child O' Mine Day! :-D [08:52] ogra_: i will check on that in just a bit [08:52] :) [08:53] k [08:53] ogra_: did all testsuites get strictly better on all archs :)? [08:53] tell me if i can mark it once you know :) [08:53] have you checked? [08:53] well, all subarches are above 80% [08:54] there is surely room for improvement, but i would call it good enough as long as we dont regress anymore [08:55] seb128, ping? [08:56] mhr3, hey [08:56] seb128, hey, do you know where we can get the phone model string from? [08:56] mhr3, we being? [08:56] seb128, we need to send it to the smart scopes server [08:56] so that operators can have some control over what scopes get recommended [08:56] mhr3, what language do you use? [08:57] ogra_: hm. does phone-app-autopilot need a simcard? grouper and manta don't have one =) [08:57] seb128, c/vala [08:58] xnox, yeah, could be [08:59] mhr3, so, qtsystem reads /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/product_name atm, but that's not available on the devices, for the about info we fallback to read ro.product.model from libhybris [08:59] mhr3, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5903415/ [09:00] seb128, great, thx [09:00] mhr3, ideally we would fix our kernel to have the info available somewhere in /sys ... but that's not the case atm afaik [09:00] mhr3, yw [09:01] seb128, i hope hybris is available on the desktop as well? [09:02] mhr3, hum, it is, but not in the default installation [09:02] hm, so we need to dlopen it? [09:03] mhr3, do you need that info today? [09:03] seb128, tomorrow is fine [09:03] :) [09:04] mhr3, lol [09:04] mhr3, ok, fallback plan for you [09:04] $ getprop ro.product.model [09:04] Nexus 7 [09:05] mhr3, check if the binary is there, if it is uses it, otherwise read /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/product_name [09:05] mhr3, on ubuntu touch you have getprop that's going to do the right thing, and on desktop the dmi info is available [09:05] mhr3, easier to call the command than to dlopen the lib [09:06] but dlopen is cheaper :) [09:06] your call [09:06] considering that the lib initializes properly :) [09:06] ideally that's going to be away and replaced by "read the info from /sys" [09:06] to go away* [09:06] but meanwhile... [09:06] seb128, do we have something more fine-grained for the model? [09:06] either way you have the infos, you pick whatever suits you best ;-) [09:07] mhr3, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5903426/ [09:07] seb128, as in i can imagine that "xx" sold in china would want to have different settings than "xx" sold in europe [09:07]